The BIRTH and DEATH of WoW's Super Guilds - Legacy of WoW

[@keshxiv]

These need to be longer I love hearing raid history like this

[@Omega613]

Cant wait for Legacy of Paragon.

[@HorusHeresy1982]

I can tell you that now "Not enough Finnish people"

[@jeanssi3668]

Wouldn't fit in this series category, unless you count when Paragon merged with Depraved (rank 1 and 2 in MoP 10-mans were both Finnish) for WoD 20 mans. But in general, yeah would love to see it!

[@Omega613]

@@HorusHeresy1982 Quality was likely more the issue than the quantity, but yes, essentially.

[@timopint1125]

hopefully not made up bullshit like this :D

[@mmorkinism]

Some time ago he said he would still finish legacy videos for all classes...

[@Sorae90]

This format is so good and I cannot fathom how much work this had to be. This should be way more popular! Thank you, Preach and team.

[@ScottKent]

Hearing the name Buzzkill brings back memories. He helped me be a better warlock back then. His tips in Wrath about playing Demo for the SP buff and how to max it out got my guild through a lot of raids...at a time when most warlocks were still running the sacrifice specs for personal dps. The fact that he would take the time to answer my stupid questions on the forums or reach out to chat to me is something I appreciate now more than I did back then. So hey, if Buzzkill comes by here...Here's another thank you from Dunwich.

[@griffinh7162]

I love these videos so much, they feel like the natural evolution of the old legacy videos. Always a good day seeing them in the sub box!

[@Rheinguard]

I am addicted to these WoW guild history videos. They're brilliant!

[@Ketzerli]

A legacy video, already hyped c:

[@TheN3llee]

Love this style of content and the story telling. Top notch and as someone who played the game and followed the MMO Boss HP threads refreshing every few minutes. It was nice to relive it as well as get a peak behind the curtains of the drama and the players. Things you didnt really know unless you were connected or it was mass community news. keep up the great work

[@TheKisekiNut]

This is awesome, Preach and Co! I never got in to raiding when I played, but love hearing all the stories, can't wait for more!

[@ItsMorphinTime1518]

The actual last world first of Ensidia was "A tribute to immortality" (clean Togc 25 HM without any player dying), which was the "Yogg zero keeper" of Togc.

[@Soulessdeeds]

The Blood Legion video will be........Bloody Good.

[@himboslice_]

can't do one on blood legion without bringing up seriousgaming/alan lmao

[@MegamanGaming]

I'm prepared for a LOT of Rigg screaming

[@johnfraser9942]

@@MegamanGaming that disc priest... Riggnaros vs. Purplerbbz so good lol

[@andreasjensen9802]

Or the note they had for dietary suggestions during progress for the Throne of Thunder raid, if you remember that sheet you know how they got the nickname ''Drug Legion''

[@evan7221]

@@himboslice_ WAIT IS THAT WHAT HES FROM? BLOOD LEGION?

[@Volti666]

I just love these videos a lot. Not only for the mystery itself, but because it is part of history. Of yours and of mine, since we're all part of this community. Some of us may even had direct connection to these events and others just heard from friends about it. Thank you Preach. Thanks to the PG team. Love you all

[@dylanstacey3514]

I will always wish I had been old enough to really raid in Vanilla and TBC. The game was so alive back then. I was playing at the time..but like the child I was..I liked to run around role playing and exploring.

[@Colicab83]

We were the 3rd horde guild on our server to have Illidan on farm in TBC. I had a BE holy pally. Full kit. I also had the warrior off pieces for a Retribution set. Back then you could sell your accounts for some crazy bucks. I had that Paladin appraised right before WotLK for $1800. I should have sold it. By WotLK it was down to $200. Vanilla and TBC was some of the craziest game play I have had. Colicab Theory of Detheroc.

[@sirhenry0]

i had a blast playing classic for 4 years straight with my guild, all real gamers, cool people and lovely community. the game died after LK right before ruby sanctum. We quit cuz of ppl stopped caring and new ppl not staying for long wich is tiresome for the guild leaders. so nice to see this nostalgia in this vid. even tho i played classic. actually first time i joined an actual guild that went for goals to get raid clears the first night/day it came out. good times to be remembered forever. alot of issues that are very real in guilds were explained here. thanks for this one preach really touching in alot of ways.

[@allanargamer5812]

Preach, been watching you for years and love the Legacy vids and everything else. Please do one on Paragon. I've always wanted to know more about them !!

[@AdnanAvdagic]

OMG i love these series, started playing in wrath but didn't really get into raiding that much so love hearing about the history of these guilds from back then

[@Wheeljack678]

Your "Legacy" videos - or documentaries if you will - are something else. Quality content delivered in a very interesting way. Already hyped for the next one, whichever topic that may be about.

[@PhantomLex]

12:42 "SK vetoed one of Nihilum's best shamans Aniz, no details on why from anybody" I understand I'm a few months late to this video but I'm the person in this context and the reason was simply I constantly made fun of Mek for being a shit player when I was in the alliance guild Forte which was on top over SK Gaming prior to Sunwell for many raids. I was always outspoken as a teenager and I still am and after Ensidia disbanded more people had no issues saying the same thing about Mek. It was only him really, the other leader Mackzter was someone I was on better terms with as we would sometimes play CS outside of the game. All in all it is what it is and I never played WoW for "eSports", I was just playing for fun but when you come from heavily mechanical competitive games it's guaranteed that nothing in WoW is challenging enough on an individual level. So the way I saw it the veto was actually favorable for me in the long run. I went casual after being voted out but after moving regions for work I somehow found myself in the same race in which I subbed in for Yogg+0 and managed to kill it worlds first with a Chinese guild but that was the last of it. I did come back for Classic and did some ICC speedrunning where we innovated things that hadn't been done before like LK 0 room, Sindragosa 0 air phase where I was the solo healer etc and but again it's just WoW Wotlk, it ain't that serious compared to current retail. Cool video though, very well researched!

[@PhantomLex]

Oh yeah and the person who was responsible for this merger was an oiler obviously, an oiler who was actually in our guild that decided to do what he did after our guild fell apart and some of us went to Nihillum and some went to SK Gaming. There's a lot more lore behind it, would've loved to help out if I was made aware this video was in the makings heh.

[@joakimruneberg7300]

Having played with Aniz in Forte, I think it's safe to say Aniz was a very controversial and provocative player, despite being excellent at the game. - eoy

[@TehMarc919]

Omg i want to thank you so much! These videos are absolutely fantastic! Subbed and notifications on! PLEASE keep em coming

[@Tobez]

Man these Legacy of WoW videos have been great to watch for so many years now. Getting a new one is like MEGA christmas

[@steverichardson5051]

Great video, I was a Last Resort fan myself, not world first but Kerp’s raid videos were phenomenal, well edited and great soundtracks.

[@johnmcgahey16]

Keep up the work. I genuinely get excited when you release these types of videos

[@trainheartnet5657]

NGL. I haven't been this hyped for a Preach video since the old Legacy videos.

[@agreb25]

Never clicked a notification so fast. Love these Legacy vids!

[@Macwall74]

Nice to see a return to some oldschool Preach format videos.

[@RunicSoulEater]

Long time fan of Preach and I can say that this series is by far one of my favorites. The legacy series is hard to top but this is getting closer and closer. Thank you for the excellent work as always to everyone on the Preach team.

[@algiux112]

Amazing series! I can imagine it is also quite fun to make, digging through archives and old forums, like digital archeology

[@ongboklichan]

I've been a casual player since Vanilla, playing off and on through the years. I was on Area-52 Horde Consortium rep grinding when the top guild of that server at the time finally downed KJ...and the legendary bow dropped. Despite having two? hunters I think in the raid comp, it went to their rogue Analogkid (or some Rush song reference named character). I've never seen a General chat so enraged haha. Wild times. I only played rogue at the time so secretly I was like 'heck yea!, big W to the rogue', but the frustration was pulsing everywhere that night, sympathizing with the hunters that got shafted on an opportunity they most likely wouldn't ever see again when Sunwell was the endgame raid.

[@CoozaFPS]

Thanks for the story preach great to see you doing well you deserve it man ❤

[@Fronzify]

Preach did a good job on this, though Preach omitted a small detail from the last part. Ensidia ended up server transferring to "Paragon's server" (Lightning's Blade) as a last ditch effort to gain level playing field and ended up ruining the server for 2 years to follow during and after ICC progression. Also the saronite bomb debacle was bit bigger than that. There was allegedly proof that some of Ensidia knew that they were exploiting (with the platform clearly building back up and they knew it was not normal, this was shown in their kill screenshot even). That caused a lot of inner turmoil within Ensidia and ultimately ended up bringing up the "odd ventrilo rules" for Heroic prog that destroyed morale to the ground. I remember talking about it with Ensidia members that were super fed up to the whole thing. I still to this day remember how Ensidia finally conceded that Paragon was a real thing after they lost LK HC kill to them fair and square. Before that they called Paragon a fluke guild and blamed most of it to server stability and better "tribalism?" because they were only Finnish guild. I remember it form the World chat, raid chats from farm alt raids and it was additionally fueled by tons of fans. If you are still interested about the whole picture, I'm fairly sure you can still google "The Ensidia Journey" and read up on it. I remember there being fairly big write up on the whole thing that goes a lot more in detail, even though Preach did a banging job on this one ^^ (This is how i remember it, i played in Lightning's Blade prior to Paragon coming there, Ensidia following during ICC prog and after that. I knew few players from Paragon personally IRL so take this whole story with a grain of salt because it might be colored with time and propaganda :D)

[@ProfGlitch]

EZ4ENCE

[@thayalol]

What does "ruining the server" mean?

[@Fronzify]

​@@thayalol Well in this case the server got too crowded in days and it ruined most guilds, the old population ended starting to tranfer so they could enjoy ICC prog. In a sense, server community that we built from vanilla till the ICC release was split apart. It was odd time and after few years the server was deserted.

[@Artictoc]

Kungen has stated on streams several times that people would spam login their old server Magtheridon whenever they were raiding, making it very slow and laggy, no matter which time during the day. They felt they had to switch to Lightning Blade to even compete, and to prevent the "trolls" from doing their thing.

[@codheadhunter]

Why do people keep mis-remembering this. The Saronite Bomb glitch drama happened on NORMAL MODE, the week that the last wing opened. The heroic raid had not even unlocked - Ensidia were banned for 3 days, so were unbanned before heroic opening week. Therefore, it's absolutely not a case that the "debacle was bigger than that" - it was a complete non factor. The top 1000 guilds killed LK Normal within a couple of raid nights, which was needed to unlock heroic the following week. MMO announcement of Ensidia suspension for 72 hours - 4th Feb 2010 Blizzard reported date of [exploit occurrence] - 3rd Feb 2010 Lord Marrowgar heroic world first - 9th Feb 2010 (this is the date of ICC hc opening)

[@leonardceres9061]

OK, I have to say I love the intro done in the style of unsolved mysteries. I still watch that show because it’s like time traveling. A lot of the mysteries are still being solved and updated.

[@brewslidepark]

Great show. Robert stack is a great host,n I love now they add in the updates of the case

[@leonardceres9061]

@@brewslidepark yeah absolutely. that’s why you can rewatch and see new updates

[@TheRedRedKroovy]

I remember the drama surrounding Alone in the Darkness. I recall Kungen saying that Yogg without keepers was "mathematically impossible" without nerfs, and then STARS killed it that same week.

[@dylanstacey3514]

Cause of that bug with the tentacles in the stomach. Nobody beat Yogg with that bug in the game.

[@mcstankface930]

Actually no, that was c'thun he said that about, not yogg Saron

[@dylanstacey3514]

@@mcstankface930 Thank you. I mixed up my boss names. C’Thun had bugs that did make it impossible to kill..maybe not mathematically but certainly in practice!

[@bondsmatthew]

With the release of the MoP event I wouldn't mind a video on Blood Legion vs Method. That rivalry always stood in my mind as some of the best. The underdog who could(pretty much) never get over that final hurdle. The underdog who could only ever make it 95% of the way there

[@clyd1206]

LOVE this series. I know you have been mostly focused on 1-2 guilds. Maybe explore others during this time?

[@JC-ok4yx]

It's annoying to me, as someone who slowly progressed WotLK, that the game by many was viewed a success or failure based on world first kills. I didn't even know who the "top guilds" were, all I knew was how much fun I was having progressing through northrend and killing bosses with friends.

[@TOGRickety]

Great video mate. Thoroughly enjoyed!!

[@GeneralVorrr]

A good guild is like any good company. You need a good environment, need to feel valued, need to have fun when its due, work when you need to work, and feel safe to grow and make contributions. And then be rewarded. Elitism and ego will only eventually kill anything.

[@codheadhunter]

The Saronite bomb glitch was on normal mode, which most guilds killed within a couple of raid progress nights. Heroic and the actual race unlocked the following week. Not sure why Preach didn't discuss Heroic ICC at all, and just ended it on Paragon winning Normal mode wing 4 week 1 ICC, as if that really meant anything. For LK Hc it was a more interesting race, as the concept of split raiding was created around this time by Paragon (due to limited attempts on end-wing bosses), and Ensidia moved to their server (Lightning's Blade) to try have equal chances in terms of server lag. Felt like this video ended very very abruptly after such a comprehensive build. T11 was also very notable because Paragon vs Method vs Ensidia was a very long and brutal race, taking about 1.5 months to clear; Ensidia did end up the lowest of the 3, but it was a relatively good showing against guilds that were becoming behemoths. ---- Edit for clarity: MMO announcement of Ensidia suspension for 72 hours - 4th Feb 2010 Blizzard reported date of [exploit occurrence] - 3rd Feb 2010 Lord Marrowgar heroic world first - 9th Feb 2010 (this is the date of ICC hc opening)

[@scollumbell]

Hmm yeah If this is true I don't know why he didn't cover it, preach is normally very good in research and information. Maybe this one was rushed to fast?

[@natev580]

I'm going to assume it's because the title of the video is literally "The BIRTH and DEATH of WoW's Super Guilds". Let's be real. After Ulduar, Ensidia didn't do anything note worthy. Thus the death of a super guild. And thus the end of the story.

[@codheadhunter]

@@natev580 If you want to talk "literally", the literal death of Ensidia was Firelands, which obviously they didn't go anywhere near that far. If you want to discuss the 'rise and fall' of a subject, which is a shorter timeframe from its literal death and more encompassing of the subject of interest, then in this case, the video ends extremely abruptly. It ends even before discussing anything in regards to ICC heroic (the video ends at ICC Normal mode...), which was such a legendary race, yet it's just completely omitted from this video. Don't get me wrong, I love preach and this video, it just ends abruptly, I was almost expecting a "part 2" notification.

[@JonnyJointy]

Because noone really cares or cared back then. The race was finished by Saronite Bombs and that was it. Noone cared who won after that.

[@Freestyle80]

I dont think Preach knows much about the Lich King race, he barely mentioned it during the Paragon video as well

[@xerxesZinc]

Tbh, i've not followed your content for sometimes, yet the moment I saw this title, got hooked on. Maybe because I'm a sucker for Esports. But i'd like to see more of this like Blood Legion, Vodka, Premonition, the oldies, or even new ones like Method.

[@isaiahowens7356]

Preach these are amazing. I love learning the history you unearth and I hope there is one for paragon or Blood Legion

[@Ca2C4]

I only played WoW for like 6 months during TBC but man was it an intense experience. Poured so many hours into the game and it's fun from time to time to look back. Was watching PoV of top guilds in preparation for raids back then. Sadly some of those videos are no longer on youtube.

[@elisharosenlof6605]

This is an awesome vid! Thank you! Made me giggle and also remember those days in WoW raiding.

[@jjstraka1982]

It was a glitch, but, one does have to admit the platform itself was made of Saronite, so, the fact that shrapnel from a saronite bomb could create a replacement platform in this magical world isn't totally far-fetched. Honestly, it would be cool as hell if such mechanics for seemingly trivial crafting items did exist. Then again, it is well-known Saronite bombs were a part of high-end rotations at this time. This ban always seemed a bit iffy to me.

[@SoulGizmo]

Blizzard not seeing the oversight so they felt embarrassed and wanted to make it seem like they weren't that dumb with the ban.

[@henriquecorrea_]

it really seems far-fetched though

[@jjd-lx5vr]

I’d love to understand how this happened. How did the coding for the platform get affected by the use of saronite bombs? You’d figure the platform would just be on a timer or tied to the boss’s health depending on how the phases of the fight go.

[@deenman23]

@@jjd-lx5vr blizzard spagheti code has been a thing since day 1

[@MickeyMolad]

I worked on the team that handled this ban in 2010. It was completely justified, and they knew what was causing it. Kungen maybe didn't, he was too busy tanking. It was obviously a bug to respawn the platforms, including the rogues throwing them.

[@Zesijamez]

Love this type of content. Wish something like this about Paragon but I'm afraid it will be difficult to get someone to tell all the stories.

[@swag8485]

This video made me relive my teenage years. I remember talking about all these things in school with friends. Good times.

[@daniellucas8801]

Great video! Please do more of these preach!

[@thedevolis]

Loved the video! Great story telling skills!

[@KirkpatrickSounds]

Great vid. Was so hype back then when Death & Taxes dropped their Naxx videos.

[@sidhe21]

I had a serious flashback of unsolved mysteries lmao my grandmother loved that show. I always watched it with her up until her passing in '98

[@joshholden9391]

Love these keep em coming

[@gravityhit6945]

Great video this took me back to my old guilds and friends!

[@mebrandonb]

I got my mousepad in the mail a week ago, the quality is great!

[@dark9nine]

You made my night with this video! love this content!

[@Pyrion93]

I love these videos! I will keep watching for as long as you make them, they are great!

[@Noxspecter]

loved it . Thanks Preach!

[@ShafroFos]

oh this is gonna be good

[@Spectre1Gaming]

I love this series these are the best by far.

[@liberateamerica]

Love this content and the style too! I miss old legacy of wow stuff so much!!!

[@tangerinesky1293]

Preach I've been watching your vids for years but I've never seen a vid by u like this. I just wanna say I really enjoyed this. Would love to see more. Maybe I just haven't seen any other vids u made like this but in case this is a first of a kind and I'm not a total blonde, keep it up! The docu-wow histories are incredibly creative. Good job! 👍

[@RenegadeTofu]

Love this series Preach! Keep them coming!

[@Haksdo2]

I still remember watching the SK Gaming Sunwell livestreams, in the days way before livestreaming on platforms like Twitch or KZbin was a thing. It was hosted on a site called Joost which no longer exists (it already went down a few years after TBC) and sadly I was never been able to track down copies of those livestreams. I even tried to contact ex guildmembers of SK but never found anything. So if anyone happens to have those livestreams backed up somewhere or knows where they are viewable, let me know.

[@legarambor]

Havent seen preach for a long time... Got this random pop up snd was brilliant! Blast to the past! - as for paragon... I've been friends with one of them when i played wow and did the farm raids with them for gear. It's unbelievable how good those players were at min maxing the character and their sheer awareness.

[@dark9nine]

I remember this like it was yesterday. I used to feel so passionate about WoW. Good old times. All the best guys. Take care.

[@bullogne3368]

Love the Unsolved Mysteries intro, my childhood thanks you good sir.

[@donaldmccarroll8219]

It was kind of nostalgic to watch this. Crazy thing my guild pseudonym on executus was getting players from paragon at the same time all this was going on, we even got H Lady Death whisper as a 10 man guild world first but fell behind a these top guilds because they had a lot more time to dedicate to playing and grinding.

[@pholkhero2145]

Love these vids but who's the dashing young gentleman hosting the video? I came for bald fat and ugly and I get early-2000s David Beckham. Great to see you all back in action after all you've been through w the office!

[@kevinblackburn4485]

Great stuff, and can't wait for the next one😊

[@TheNinjaRider]

More of this, love it!

[@linkaiser8709]

I remember them from back in the day... Damn that was a long time ago... And the statement to as why they failed always hit me hard and gave a big moment of realization.... Everyone is replaceable... That doesn't mean anyone can replace them.

[@NotTheWheel]

I don't really care all that much about the subject matter. But the story telling and the presentation kept me invested. Good work to you Preach and your team for making this!

[@Razerbaine]

Even tho i dont play wow anymore, your stories about wow are itreging, and your voice is easy listening

[@jovensvindelbo7163]

I love these legacy videos as someone who entered the mmo sphere after all the early stuff had happened

[@Galrukh]

I would love to see more of these!

[@enzymebp]

I was a Wrath raider :). We actually beat Vodka through 4H at launch on Mannoroth with the top two Horde guilds teaming up Week 2, then everyone called it on Sapphiron at around 2AM. This was my favorite time in WoW.

[@JH-pj8nw]

Amazing series. Please keep em coming.

[@thecaneater]

18:50 Odd you didn't mention how Yogg+0 was first downed by a bunch of Afflic Lock's because of the 'turn-away' mechanics. I feel like that is a big part of the story.

[@Qlyphy]

Shout out to the Old Dragonblight guilds like Legions Astartes, Chorlton & The Wheelies & Booty Bay Surf Club from the Trumpton Riot Squad :-)

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

Oh what a time. From the first time I dialed into a BBS and played my first text based mmo in the early 80’s to the peak of the genre (mists of pandaria for me) I’m just glad I got to experience it all. RIP mmorpgs.

[@Stigxenon]

That clip of Kungen is exactly when i also got to meet him irl :O Nostalgia

[@irevisibel9237]

Great documentary! Thanks Preach ❤

[@robsling7096]

I'll never forget hearing paragon killed LK HC then watching the video, that was peak gaming for me. The nerdscreams echo till this day, OSSI TAUNTA OSSI TAUNTA!

[@grouchy88]

didnt expect the master of mankind to make an appearance ♥

[@awolowiecki720]

as someone who played wow strictly as a casual... this is fascinating to learn about!

[@fordesgol7947]

More more more! I want more!! I wanna see paragon story and the foundation of method

[@baalfrog]

More content like this! Paragon is probably what I'd most want to see, but isn't it pretty cut and dry overall?

[@CyrusTheFrog]

I love this format, hope to see even more of it!

[@AlanCunliffe]

the intro to this shit is great haha whoever decided on doing an investigative series intro was bang on

[@Neppy101]

I really love these videos Preach, keep them coming!

[@wesleygotje6065]

Curse Gaming also went into TBC following the drama with Fura who returned to Nightmarus Asylum after that. Curse entered TBC as curse but became Meet Your Makers after SSC/TK i believe.

[@wesleygotje6065]

Also Thygore of Curse was in Nihilum during Naxxramas (Classic) as a warrior for The 4 Horsemen

[@TheSuperTrickey]

Great video, but Ensidia did raid in Cataclysm and did achieve world third in tier 14. They weren't exactly dead even if they didn't achieve their former glory

[@jaketolhurst2111]

Great video as always preach, always loved your wow content

[@golvmoppski]

oh wow i remember this, i have a swedish gaming magazine that covers interveiws with the 2 merged guilds for 3pages, was quite the read

[@Gankizzle]

Was on Korgath back in Vanilla. The DnT and Gentlemen's Club race for Scarab Lord was good times.

[@topazlynx2228]

How the heck did I get here so fast?! Also I am so excited for this video.

[@EllieMidna]

This was amazing, please do more

[@JohnnieKirkegaard94]

Wow Preach do you still exist! God i miss the days of watching you while playing wow!

[@wolloms]

I think its easy to look back on this time negatively. But i remember these as the best times of WoW and there were also guilds like Vis Maior that was a hardcore raid group and actually beat SK to some World Firsts during the test realms or whatever they were called for Sunwell.

[@Kryzz93]

Love the whole vibe of the video more of these ❤

[@ksmoorthy87]

I remember this drama live. Pretty epic.

[@Harry_f_Wight]

I love these kinds of videos! Grab a cuppa tea and let the history lesson begin!