🧙 How Brienne of tarth Became Pretty

Brienne of Tarth once had a very different future in mind in ASOIAF from her creator George R.R. Martin. He envisioned a brutal, world weary version of Brienne post the five year gap. Find out where the winds would've blown her to, far from the Brienne we know from Game of Thrones. Quotes read by BryndenBFish.
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[@theletterm5425]

Amazing theory! Loved it when I first saw it on the subreddit. Pretty intrigued about who Caggo Corpsekiller might have been. Hope the next video arrives soon!

[@rhondadenis3469]

That Brienne and Bitter scene is one of the most horrific things I have ever read. George Is a genius.

[@ruairi5051]

I agree that Brienne would have occupied Merris space in the story but after GRRM decided to abandon the 5 Year Gap GRRM upped her horrors significantly. Great Video!

[@JoeMagician]

Right on Ru! George is not kind, especially to his innocents. Brienne is maybe one of the most innocent, and as such is getting punished for it. Sad though because she is wonderful;.

[@rainy7106]

Brienne’s chapters are by far my favorite. There’s something so comfy and relaxing about certain aspects of it, so tragic about others, and down right horrifying at some pivotal points. One thing that I think is important to take away from her chapters as far as worldbuilding goes is despite the tragedy and destruction which has befelt Westeros, we see plenty of scenes of perseverance, of people rebuilding and creating new things on the ashes of what’s fallen. It’s a reminder of the tenacity of the human spirit, that no matter what hits us, that we’ll get back up again. Still, that also makes it even more depressing that war will likely ravage these lands again, probably multiple times in the near future, which almost makes these moments of minor triumph feel somewhat futile.

[@misabelrodriguez1163]

Damn, that was really heartbreaking to realize

[@FatherhoodAndFitness]

The Dunk & Egg stories give me a similar feeling to Brienne's chapters.

[@BLooDCoMPleX]

I would never forgive George if he actually did this.

[@FatherhoodAndFitness]

Brienne did not lack for coin, though. It was made clear in her first chapter that Jamie had provided her with a good supply of gold.

[@khaelstorm2552]

For a second I thought that this theory was all about Dany’s timeline not being actually chronologically in sync with the rest of the books, maybe months or even a year or two ahead of the westerosi counterparts, I was all up connecting dots until the end brought everything crashing down... Hahahaha great content mate I may binge your channel immediately.

[@rpproductions6241]

Wow this video was kind of chilling actually. I’m running through my head how she could have become Pretty Maris in the timeline and I’m thinking too about how Maris mounts the dog heads. If Rorge with the Hound helm had done anything to her in this alternate timeline that would make sense

[@darrenjaxen1019]

I like the theory though. Meris does seem to be what Brienne could have ended up like without protection of Renly etc if she was in sellsword company.

[@jackalackb17]

I love all of the alternate timeline stuff we can examine from the 5 year gap. So many possibilities.

[@prof.cecilycogsworth3204]

Very nice, indeed. The illustrated capital letters and fonts used for the text are most attractive, more so to me since I recently saw an exhibition dedicated to William Morris.

[@JoeMagician]

Feel like it subconsciously adds weight to the quotes via the presentation. You look at them and feel the history behind, respect that went into presenting them that way.

[@JoeMagician]

Also sorry about my voice in this one I was just getting over a bad cold. Made it much deeper and rougher.

[@racatiwood]

she's wonderful in the role, but Gwendoline Christie has made it impossible to picture Brienne as deeply unattractive, but I guess many other characters were portrayed by actors that are a lot better-looking than their book description counterparts

[@cardwitch91]

I know you've only just got started making videos but with just the three you've done I'm so glad I found them! I would never have thought about the Brienne/Merys connection had you not essentially spelt it out. Slightly unrelated - I love your presentation of the extracts. So simple and pretty like a warped fairytale. :)

[@JoeMagician]

That's very kind of you to say, thank you very much :) that is Sanrixian's work, she makes amazing art. I describe what I want and she makes those incredible drawings.

[@thecomet6276]

Joe!! Brilliant! I’ve drawn connections between characters too who couldn’t possibly be the same bc of timelines.

[@scottspa74]

This was AWESOME! Everything totally fits

[@rzeitz]

I never thought about this! Amazing analysis! Looking forward to more!

[@ericafrancis9727]

The assumption that Brienne is around six feet is incorrect. If she is taller than Jaime and the Hound, and around the same height as Robert, she is close to 6'4. If Meris is 6', this doesn't work.

[@tulkas42o22]

I've come late to your party but I've been watching alot of you through live streams lately. LML, In deep geek , your own lately etc. I've done 5 re-reads and I get goosebumps at new interpretations. The waymar rhoyce theory smacked me in my face. Keep It up goodbrother

[@tulkas42o22]

Some part of me wants her to be the last hero

[@HereBeDragonsYT]

Love it! Fascinating and original. Can't wait for the next one!

[@winter666madness]

Awesome! Need more of these!

[@nansiem9346]

This is so disturbing. But, glad I found this channel I can’t get enough!! I came after watching your collaboration on Obsidian Nights.

[@vorthora]

A very tragic ending if true

[@systemofafox6487]

Mary Hill yeah this makes me want to give Brienne a big hug and comfort her

[@calikal1968]

Really nice vid! So nice to have your views on youtube! Keep them coming!!!

[@stephaniepeer3787]

Again, another video referred to by The Disputed Lands. A very compelling video! It does make me sad that Brienne could one day turn into Pretty Marys though. I suppose what you've highlighted about her arc in the later books does look like her becoming progressively more jaded, which is why I hope that she doesn't become like Pretty Marys! But then, I have read this series before and it's not all sunshine and rainbows in Westeros! :D

[@GauravKumar-bf2rq]

Waiting for the next video!

[@kman13131]

I just found your videos and wow this is amazing, Instantly subbed and excited to check out your other theories!

[@SaltyMinorcan]

ty for the vid, it was really good.

[@brettorton1907]

Hey man, really excellent video. You made some excellent points surrounding Quentyn and the potential parallels of Brienne, Tyrion, and Theon. Try to keep the sound quality more consistent, I found that a bit distracting. Just a wee bit repetitive with the quotes but some really great insights. Awesome video overall.

[@JoeMagician]

Will do! Experimenting with sound editing and consistent voice control is something I'm working on, practice makes perfect.

[@WhiteSargent]

Blowing my mind again - nice one!

[@TWard-je6mr]

love the channel!

[@blackeyedlily]

This is fascinating!

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

Great vid.

[@sleekoduck]

Your videos are always so enjoyable! You've blown my mind. Another thing to remember is that Daenerys's story is not in sync with the rest of the stories. Daenerys had already married Drogo and visited Vaes Dothrak two years (the travel time from Qarth) before the news got to Robert and Ned early in the first book, Game of Thrones.

[@coolmonkey1216]

I agree with this. But no doubt did George change shit around. Like their height. Robert is about 6'6" and the hound is over 6'8". If they're around the same height, Brienne and Robert, then Maris is a hell of a great deal smaller than Brienne. But if this was Brienne, imagine how much more intimidating the torturer of the windblown would've been.

[@rica314]

Sorry, but I don‘t see how anything of this could work 1. When we meet Brienne, we (the readers) already know that life is not a song (from Sansa‘s experiences), we know that „righteous and honorable“ men might end like Ned, we know that many knights are no „true knights“ (Gregor Clegane, Jaime, etc) and we learn that war is horrible (Arya chapters, but also Brienne/Jaime chapters) We don‘t need a „broken Brienne =Pretty Meris“ for that So what purpose would it serve to transform Brienne into Pretty Meris? That it‘s stupid to believe in „right and wrong“? - That you‘ll end up with your breasts cut off, scarred, and as a ghastly shadow of yourself if you‘re stupid enough to be „good/trustworthy/honorable/loyal“? Brienne in all her naivete shows us that there is good in the world, and that you should fight for it (It would work as well the other way round: There won‘t be anything „good“ unless you fight for it) 2. It‘s absolutely out of character for Brienne to join a sellsword company Even if we assume that - she isn‘t heir to Tarth anymore (maybe her father married and got a son) - and she somehow spent/lost all the money Jaimie gave her - and she lost the incredibly valuable magic sword „Oathkeeper“ she could go home. So far she‘s lost nothing that she had before we even knew about her ( =before she joined Renly‘s Rainbow Guard) You just assume that Brienne knows nothing but „fighting“ - and that‘s wrong. 3. And there‘s absolutely no reason for her to search a whole continent for a girl with dark hair which might be alive or not Arya doesn‘t want to go to Braavos. She wants to go to the Wall. But the captain won‘t take her anywhere but Braavos, and even to Braavos, he just takes her because she‘s got the iron coin from the House of Black and White. So if Brienne knows about a ship from Essos in Saltpans, she should have thought about: - Sure that there weren't any other ships in Saltpants? - Would Arya want to go to Essos? - Couldn‘t the the ship have sailed to Gulltown (or another port in Westeros) before retourning to Essos? 4. And why the hell would I join a sellsword company to find a little girl?

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

You really missed out on the 'five year gap - hypothetical' bit on which this video is based. Did you just half-listen to it while forming a rebuttal comment? That's usually a pretty shit move. No clue how 27 people thought your comment was necessary.

[@sleekoduck]

Brienne becomes a broken woman. This is an ongoing theme in the Ice and Fire series. The books are not the show. Seasons 6, 7, and 8 did not happen in the books.

[@elizabethsouthall9496]

Ty for this video! I've asked gemma, and several other video makers if they thought Brienne was Maris but never got an answer. I just can't reconcile the time line

[@yogadork_namaste]

The theory isn't saying they are the same to the current story. It says she is briennes alternate future, what grrm did with her character when he did the five year gap. Then he trashed the five year gap but kept the character, only changing a couple of details to make her her own character and not brienne

[@JoeMagician]

@@yogadork_namaste Correct!

[@darrenjaxen1019]

A 6'6 ish Brienne is not anywhere near the same height as 5'11 ish Pretty Meris.

[@emiliocamachoerice6380]

And thanks to you for making this awesome video

[@luminyam6145]

Great video, thank you.

[@alanhiggs5826]

Your channel is very cool.

[@thomaspappalardo7589]

Brienne is taller than 6 feet. Robert was 6 1/2 feet tall, and GRRM said she is the same height as Robert, so she's close to the same height as The Hound.

[@melanatedqueen6662]

I love your channel. I saw you on a video awhile ago with In Deep Geek and subscribed bc I trust his judgment on who to follow in the ASOIAF universe but I didn’t really watch it bc you didn’t come up in my Recommends too much. I saw you again with someone after 8 03; the long night episode and I started to watch it but I can’t watch some of those ppl who spend the entire time dragging the show. You didn’t get into all that but I’m not about to watch someone ( the other creator; not you) whose taking up space, appropriating Black culture in a community where there are very few Black content creators who get views like she does. I tried your channel again but it was with another person I can’t watch. She rambles too dam* much, but I like the way you interjected and was like “yes there is wood that burns blue.” I’m glad I found your solo videos bc they’re good and I could watch these all day if I didn’t have to work today. 😂

[@lsporter88]

Fascinating.

[@crash3711]

PLEASE ANYONE REPLY!! What does "I'm looking for a maid of three-and-ten" mean?? It's a Brienne quote from Feast for Crows, and I'm aware she is looking for Sansa but what do the Numbers refer to?? PLEASE HELP

[@JoeMagician]

It means she's 13

[@victoriasantoro6692]

Bravo guys..you both sound so dreamy.

[@JoeMagician]

My Jolly Sailor Bold *blushes* aww shucks

[@benbarclay3872]

💜💙💜❤💜💙💜

[@johnmontag]

I heard about you from In Deep Geek a week ago, love your video’s. You will get a huge following, just gift put out more content :-)

[@nononono3421]

Brienne is becoming The Hound. The Hound is becoming a true knight. Her face scar is a hint of it, among many other points.

[@CJusticeHappen21]

So, Brianne will serve Faegon, and then kill him, like Jamie did with the Mad King.

[@sprinklesandwrinkles]

I like this theory

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

How deliciously meta. I think you're on to something, Magic Joe.

[@ocky88]

This is a very plausible theory given GRRM'S original plan to skip forward. Just one suggestion, work on your transitions. It was hard to follow when you were moving from book excerpts to your own analysis to quotes from Martin. I see this video is a couple years old, so hopefully that improved.

[@JoeMagician]

Thanks for the tip!

[@PedroLucas-mg5je]

I can't stop thinking and imaginating how A Feast For Crows and A Dance Of Dragons would be If G.R.R.M did the 5 years timeskip!

[@verward]

I think the biggest problem with the 5 year timegap is stannis. How would he have survived for 5 years without any major action.

[@kayfarm97]

Still trying to figure out when there was a 5 year gap..

[@JoeMagician]

It was after the publication of A Storm of Swords and before A Feast for Crows/A Dance with Dragons. Martin wanted to skip forward in time in between what become AFFC and ADWD. He abandoned it but not before getting pretty far into the process of planning out character arcs that would've picked up five years later after ASOS>

[@Dinosgurl20]

I’m tired and really thought this was how she became PETTY 😂

[@amberantk1]

Shudder.

[@Kriegerdammerung]

So, Brienne is 1.98 m and Meris is 1.81 (1.83 is six feet)

[@sermycahwhent4165]

Listen man if you're right... Oh my God if you're right and he just didn't have time for this to be Brienne's intended end think of how some other characters fate will be. I hear a theory about Tyrion getting his tongue cut out and I cringe especially after this. I respect the hell out of you man but I hope to all hell you're wrong

[@JoeMagician]

Well, to be clear I don't think this is how Brienne will end up. Rather a rough draft that he made into a separate character. A road not taken kind of thing, a fork in the road that split when he abandoned the five year gap.

[@sermycahwhent4165]

@@JoeMagician I totally understand but if he has that kind of stuff going through his mind about a charcter we love thats what worries me but also I dont think hes out for shock value I put my trust in George though lol

[@luciferangelica]

nothing happening in 5 years story time is anticlimactic. why didn't anyone tell death note?

[@iceleaf2]

💓🔥💓

[@malirabbit6228]

So incredibly creepy! Please don’t be so!

[@quintyss1290]

Frankly, I hope you are wrong.

[@kilmartin5]

frankly, this theory is ret**ded. I feel bad for any patreons hes managed to scam.

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

6 feet is barely 183 centimetres, that's not very tall, idk why americans consider that tall for a man, it's rtty short, and yeah i guess a bit taller for a woman

[@TheAztecGamer123]

6ft is taller then most people in the world. But sure

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

I forgot about this lol..,. i just read a few articles and apparently average male height in the US is the same as average female in my country. some contribute it to bad food conditions, reports say that used to be higher in the US. 5 ft 10.4 in average height for men in the UK. interesting that you chose "people" when my comment was about men@@TheAztecGamer123

[@madambutterfly1997]

Jaime has no honour left. Only if he dies protecting a child of Rhaegar Targaryen can his honour be restored

[@HuntingViolets]

People always think dying for something is the way to go. Living an honorable life would be better. Jaime wasn’t responsible for Rhaegar’s children dying anyway. Maybe Rhaegar should have kept a better eye on his father, knowing he was disturbed, instead of running off with teenaged girls.

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

oh wow this is so wrong on so many levels

[@vorthora]

After 20 years? says the text? I doubt it. If it had said 5 years, then perhaps.

[@yogadork_namaste]

It is because the five year ago was abandoned, but he kept the character but changed a couple of things like eye color, how long she'd been with the comoany, etc.