How Camera Perspectives Affect Your Favorite Games

Third Person, First Person, Top Down - there are many cameras used for all kinds of games. But what happens when you change the perspective to one the game wasn't designed for?
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[@DustinEdenYT]

Thanks for watching this video! Hope you are having a great day :)

[@sakiaung]

Eden, was that the asphalt 8 menu theme at the beginning of the video?

[@DustinEdenYT]

@@sakiaung DJ Gontran - Moby Glitch :)

[@sakiaung]

@@DustinEdenYT ah so i was right, thanks for replying

[@Ferrari255GTO]

after watching it i'm definitiely having a great day, really interesting video! i thought it would have been a bit more in depth overall about FOV and stuff but it was still awesome

[@ShuAsphalt]

We want an asphalt video now >:)

[@JinteiModding]

Oh God the Asphalt 8 OST hit me like a truck

[@dantesuito9622]

same man

[@ieatmentoss1714]

Same bro…

[@night2vyife]

same

[@ieatmentoss1714]

@@night2vyife hi Nightdrive

[@ShOwOba]

ngl it's the game that brought me to loving cars today xD

[@Kacpa2]

Other thing is that most modern triple AAA racing games have very bad chase cams. Gran Turismos is unnaturally welded to the car and robs the game of any sensation of speed while Forza and modern NFS games stay too close and dont use any proper fov manipulation or zoom outs and are usually too close to the cars in comparison to NFS Most Wanted 2005 and ProStreet. Both of which have superior sensations of speed on top of better sound work for cars and enviroments(especially prostreet, with sound echoing of barriers and walls woth exhaust sounds and across the track with the music) It seems to be be more of a lost art to make good sounds and sensation of speed for a racing game. All of it hinged on good sound and camera design ok top of the handling(and we nevwr got anything alike Most Wanted 2005 or ProStreet from later nfs games or any other series)

[@digitalcamaro9708]

It's also due to the lack of frames back then, and the change of the kind of people who play the game. All of the madness that made older racing games seem fast are now considered annoying by the tryhards. And new games have access to more frames, making them smoother and reducing blur. Racing games now feel very "safe" due to these changes.

[@Kacpa2]

@@digitalcamaro9708 Sadly...One thing i wish modern games didnt accidentally mirror with modern cars. Another thing that both many older and newer games fail to represent is that most cars especially with manual transmission should feel more aggressive and torquey when accelerating even if they are relatively slow, but stock cars from og Most Wanted to forza feel like they are some bogged down diesel delivery tracks with their rpm behaviour and shift patterns, when they should sound and act like maxed cars, just that they get up to speed slower. I mean take any slower car that has sportier engine and it will make lots of noise and drama being viceral with its power delivery but just will get to 100km/h relatively slowly.(all show no go kind of a deal like Suzuki Cappucino for example, which is fun and lets you ring out the car to all hell withs its high rpm tiny engine, which is really fun) Its something that Grid 1/2, Dirt 3 and NFS Shift done quite well(tho shift has quite awful engine sound, transmissions sound amazing tho especially on deceleration), but other games i played both newer and older(especially gran turismo) make most cars feel lame unless its maxed end game cars. Which ahouls actually feel even more aggresive and erratic especially if its a tuner or a racecar I just wish for a game that would finally have both these aspects perfected, together with very good camerawork and Most Wanted 05 like handling, but noone seems to even try :/

[@Kacpa2]

Codemasters were quite close with some of their earlier Dirt(3) and Grid games(especially grid 2), and Dirt Rally games also get sound, sensation of speed and vicerality well, but i woupd love to have that in a small open world(like a city from Blacl Box era NFS games, full of fum corners(instead snoozefest that Forza Horizon open worlds are)with more hints of Most Wanted 05's handling and gameplay)

[@lordeilluminati]

What I find bizarre on GT case is that, although I love GT4, it is the game that introduced this stiff camera that is used even today, the series didnt had this stiff camera from the beginning. I dont like GT3 but it is one thing that I like about it is that the camera feels way smoother than anything that was released after.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

i really dont understand whats going on with NFS, they really should F off with the brake to drift bs and go back to powerslides and car personality, hell, pro street is a disgrace physics-wise and it's an insane amout of fun, why tf do modern arcade racers feel so bland most of the time? The ones that i can think of that do it right are the Wreckfest devs, and the handling still feeels a bit simcade-ish. If burnout came back with something like a revenge 2.0 it would BREAK the market for racing games.

[@JRDD476]

Cameras have so many ways in games to show us something, whether it be during cutscenes or gameplay. Just like you said none of us really bat an eye to it when it means so much to how the game plays or looks.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

play pro street on nevada and tell me you dont clench your ass on corners because god knows i do XD

[@christiantaylor1495]

I always bat an eye and talk about the camera for every new game I play with about 82k words just about the camera alone

[@lucasm20]

Funny, I actually often find bumper or (preferably) cockpit views easier since they don't sway the car, you can actually tell the motion of where the car is going. Maybe not so great for drifting, but if a game implements automatically looking left and right it works perfectly. I actually couldn't get into art of rally precisely because of the camera, if it simply had a closer third person view built-in, or even better, a first person view I'd probably enjoy it more.

[@m.raihanammarfachrezixpplg7898]

Actually, I kinda find myself correcting my car easier on cockpit camera when my car slips. I just know better on how much I need to correcting the car on cockpit / bumper camera compared to third person camera

[@lucasm20]

@@m.raihanammarfachrezixpplg7898 true, it makes it much simpler to understand the direction the car is going than when the car is viewed sideways in third person.

[@m.raihanammarfachrezixpplg7898]

@@lucasm20 Well, the downside is that we can't see our car lol

[@lucasm20]

@@m.raihanammarfachrezixpplg7898 true, that's why sometimes I switch between the two. Although I usually like to be immersed inside the car when doing joy rides in Forza Horizon.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

i can understand the bumper cam because you don't have the hood or the dash on the way to see everything perfectly, but i have one particular issue: i don't get the feel for how wide the car is and i often cut too far with that camera and bump into barriers/corners sticking out because of it, so i always use 3rd person cam, far if im using a monitor up close and close if im using a TV

[@Johnnyynf]

I think the Art of rally and circuit super star really deserve a close up camera to enjoy the simple but beautiful environment and cars The again I've never been comfortable with bird eye view (mainly because i can't see what's in front of the car very well, especially the terrain with art of rally) and thinks every game would be better with close up view

[@christiantaylor1495]

For me the problem is you can't use a wheel

[@danoV1c]

"You can't do good content on racing games" - some German kid 4 years ago DustinEating now: I'm about to end this mans whole career

[@JuiceyBeverage]

Who said that to Dustin

[@Louganda]

@@JuiceyBeverage joe

[@CharlieDB96]

I'd hardly call Art Of Rally's camera "top down" in the traditional sense. It looks and behaves exactly like a chase camera, just with an unusually increased zoom level Additionally, it's incredible how the more traditional chase camera changes the world and allows you to take in so much more of the scenery. The game's absolutely stunning! The first person mod is honestly the change that makes me consider this game, so I hope it continues to improve in functionality and technical ability

[@vinesauceobscurities]

The chase cam reminds me of classic overhead footage from helicopters of Group B rally cars rocketing down the course. Even the camera view has a distinctive rally identity.

[@ahura4323]

This game rly is an art.

[@k93cj]

I think if the devs of art of rally ever considere 3rd person prospective and they don't want to add pace notes they should add blinkers as an indicator for turns kinda like burnout or they can make a racing game based on wangan midnight and Initial d mix type of game

[@christiantaylor1495]

You need to know more than just left and right 🤦🏻

[@k93cj]

@@christiantaylor1495 now I think about it it would be hard judging corners with just indicators

[@qinn1996]

@@k93cj To make a 3rd person camera work in Art of Rally they could just have little arrow icons appear on screen indicating the type of turn. Some handheld rally games did that and Asphalt Urban GT on the DS for some reason. Would be rather easy to implement by simply putting triggers in front of turns that display the corresponding icon when activated.

[@rolexian]

Thank you for putting so much effort into your videos. That was really interesting. Didn't expect a developer interview. It was also a really cool idea to combine the player camera topic with art of rally. Never thought about it myself, how much the drop down camera changes gameplay in terms of distance view and sense of speed.

[@YOEL_44]

To be honest, near top down chase cameras are sometimes offered if drifting is an important part of the game

[@TheChuyDewy]

holy shit what up yoel

[@YOEL_44]

@@TheChuyDewy Yooooo!!!!! Second Yoel with Y that I find and again is on KZbin.

[@narkohtix]

man actually used an asphalt 8 menu ost. and the best one at that

[@LazloRTR]

Cameras changes the feel of the game so much, like in Gran Turismo, specifically GTPSP has a weird outside camera where it feels like you are going so slow at all times, then switch to the black cockpit and it suddenly feels 3 times faster. Forza also had a bit of a weird 3rd person, on some cars it centered around near the center of the car, but on some others it's located more on the back making it feels like (to me) you are controlling the car with a leash, I genuinely had problems making simple turns with it

[@juang.kontigo9558]

Rallisport Challenge 2 is an underrated game that needs attention imo

[@darknos99]

there's a second one?!

[@juang.kontigo9558]

@@darknos99 yes. an xbox original exclusive (from what i know). played it for hours when i still had one.

[@darknos99]

@@juang.kontigo9558 that explains since I never found for PC

[@camerona9067]

@@darknos99 RSC2 improved on RSC by a large margin. More of everything. Faster. Improved graphics. If you can get your hands on a copy, you won't regret it.

[@darknos99]

@@camerona9067 I only got PC

[@nulltan]

Pretty cool that you got a hold of the dev for an interview. I love and spent way too much time on absolute drift and art of rally. The bird's eye camera used in these games is what gives them their charm, I wouldn't want a chase camera in them.

[@goodie2shoes874]

I think a 3rd person camera as an extra endgame unlockable would be really cool. Only people who complete the game would have access to it and wouldn’t need pace notes since it’s just a glorified toy.

[@falcongamer58]

8:28 that reason is the same as the top down camera showing you more of the road ahead as you go faster, the mod forgot to disable that feature

[@Firespecialstar]

i was on the stream when you were playing this mod for art of rally (i was the One that sent all the Sevens After you came back from bathroom and gave me the middle finger XD) actually unique and interesting video idea, i'm glad that i discovered about you, keep It up!

[@MrGarryGrey]

I don't know how many people played it, but I also remember the game called Ignition. It was a pretty cool arcade top-down racing game with splitscreen, we used to play it a lot. The tracks were pretty short, but you still had to learn them, because you couldn't see what's in front of you or react fast enough. But the game was fun (it's still available on Steam, despite its age. Requires some tinkering, if you want to run the Windows version, instead of DOS). UPD: Just remembered, it also had a cheat to change the camera

[@Patronciozo]

Wish we had the chase camera natively, I love that camera perspective.

[@JubbLaRacing]

Yeah it's the only reason i stopped playing that game

[@qinn1996]

To make a 3rd person camera work in Art of Rally they could just have little arrow icons appear on screen indicating the type of turn. Some handheld rally games did that and Asphalt Urban GT on the DS for some reason. Would be rather easy to implement by simply putting triggers in front of turns that display the corresponding icon when activated.

[@Caspercab]

Mirco machines is a certified hood classic

[@TheRealCatof]

Art of Rally is on Xbox Game pass. If you have it, please try the game. It is so very good.

[@amurilloreno]

Check out "WRC Powerslide" as well! It was a spin-off from Milestone's WRC series back in PS3 era, and it use exactly Top-Down view complete with the Micro Machine power-ups option which could be turn on/off if you prefer normal rally. Heck, that game was so underrated. Art of Rally maybe brought the camera to screen, but WRC Powerslide was the one who tried it on real life car and real life location.

[@ChaunceyGardener]

Amazing game from back in 2013 when games had 'graphics'. When you go from 'Rolling Sun' or 'Influx' to 'Polyball' you know that developers just gave up.

[@amurilloreno]

@@ChaunceyGardener Even so, it was a decent spin-off. The WRC series itself was actually good in the hand of Milestone.

[@Shokiflor]

I love Art Of Rally, it's an amazing game and everyone should play it but we need an official 3rd person cam. I know it's a rally game but pacenote are not that important. I play dirt rally and wrc without copilote voice and that doesn't bother me at all. It's a fun game it's not esport ready so it doesn't matter if you don't do world record on a stage, so at least let me enjoy the game as I want it

[@JoeySmith101]

Grand Theft Auto 2 was my first top down experience and probably a lot of other peoples as well.

[@Edwoah_The_Legend]

Wow this is the earliest I’ve been to a Dustin Eden video!!

[@TheJakeMG]

It's a crime that this video seemed to not pop up in my sub feed.

[@abluecar5375]

I gotta say, Art of Rally's art style really reminded me of those colorful and vibrant 1960s car posters or any 60s posters

[@laurilehtiaho9618]

Death Rally from Remedy Entertainment was simply the bomb during the 90s. At least if you lived in Finland and were much more likely to getting exposed to it. We even played through the single-player campaign together with my sister, I would drive and she would shoot and drop mines. To this day I still sometimes return to it, and have been toying with the idea of making a Trackmania track with a top-down view based on one of the maps from it.

[@Jules-69lol]

Tbh in this day and age not having a cockpit camera in all modern racing games is essential

[@imjustarobot7768]

the asphalt 8 music do be really bringing some nostalgia

[@Sujiceel]

One thing that steered me away from top down games like AOR is taking away the running a course blind rally is associated with, I might pick it up for this mod.

[@halilkann]

Yep, camera plays big role in gameplay. That's where Turbo Sliders Unlimited shines - it gives you full freedom to customise cam pisition. We're also trying to convince game developer to make an option for host (or even track maker) to force the same camera for all players.

[@m.raihanammarfachrezixpplg7898]

15:32 The map of my country for next update? Man I'm happy to hear that (even though I'm not played the game)

[@rwdtr]

overproud ajg

[@wibs0n68]

@@rwdtr aowkwok

[@wibs0n68]

Go play the game

[@m.raihanammarfachrezixpplg7898]

@@wibs0n68 Mau sih, tapi nggak punya PC. Laptop juga kentang

[@wibs0n68]

@@m.raihanammarfachrezixpplg7898 how bad is it. I don't think it's resource intensive

[@thaizzz]

I remember there are some games in which camera manipulation on the go it's an essential part of the gameplay. For Art Of Rally it could be something like changing the camera to top side view for unknown, technical parts, and switch to another view for the other parts

[@monarchyyyy]

Finally some cover ups for my favorite game. Art Of Rally surely a interesting game and you should try it. Can't wait for the update, really curious about which rally location the dev picked for Indonesia.

[@perplexical]

Getting flashbacks to barrel-rolling through a rocket launch site in a DS Survolt. If you know, you know.

[@Yoink5558]

yes the first song in this video took me right back

[@eur0be4t3r]

Top down (like in the thumbnail) will always remind me of that drifting game

[@fiets38]

Nice to highlight the importance of camera's in racing games! I'm a game developer too and the amount of time you can put into making a camera feel good is absolutely insane :D

[@justamothygirl2143]

Oh that's interesting, that Micro Machines game is VERY similar to an older Hot Wheels game, down to the tracks being randomly assorted household items, that rules.

[@alecbekian]

Gran Turismo 4 menu soundtrack. The Nostalgia hahaha

[@silverdashhd644]

Asphalt 8 song damn nice, Eden

[@fatmarlin4674]

What a sweet concept for a video! Subscriber gained.

[@perfectlap9379]

As a game developer makking a racing game, i've spent an ungodly amount of time on the camera. To the point that i've ended up putting in ALL of the camera styles from the major racing titles. (The cameras modifiable to do this)

[@imDanoush]

I knew a turtle holds my project's in-game cameras... _I knew it!_

[@098Xzibit]

For me Pro Street has the best camera. It just reacts to your inputs so well and translates what the car is doing.

[@GuntanksInSpace]

I was looking into the Chase Cam mod on art of rally recently and I didn't know you made a video about it (with a cool interview with the dev too). Might get it at some point, but yeah even without the mod that game's absolutely fun.

[@fartloudYT]

plenty of old racing games had cockpit cameras, but as time went on it was discarded. later on those reappeared again. For example, NFS 3 had cockpit camera and NFS Underground did not.

[@PatalJunior]

You forgot one camera type, that there are a niche group of people use, the roof camera, us drifters really like that camera, since it has a greater overview of the car, this camera is mostly seen in Asseto Corsa.

[@MrKhushrenada]

Cockpit view in VR and bumper cam on a normal/flat screen for sims. And chase cam for arcade style games like NFS, The Crew, Forza, etc...

[@mattBLACKpunk]

Ayy nice to see you got that interview

[@nepzski]

im currently playing midnight club and i just realized how much the camera affects the gameplay on the motorcycle if you "tuck" its harder to see because you are getting better aerodynamics just like real life

[@TheLPN05Fan]

I personally really like Bird Eye/Top Down/Isometric view. It gives character and memorable scenes. Bumper Cameras I'd only use in games which need highly precise inputs, like Trackmania, or ones where Third-Person is god awful, like in the Granturismo games. Cockpitcameras, if you don't have a wheel or VR/Headtracking obstruct too much view onto the Corners/Apexes, so rarely use them.

[@icrashalot2266]

We definitely need more full cell-shaded racing games. Not just the characters or the NPCs, I mean all environment, cars, etc. Something about cell-shade just makes it so refreshing compared to the 100th "realistic" looking graphics where you can't even appreciate the tiny details 90% of the time, cuz you know it's a racing game and you'd be driving 100+ mph

[@Kinna39]

Great vid - that chase cam is awesome and even if it's not great for getting leaderboard times it certainly would be fun to play around with.

[@TouringCarsAndStuff]

Rush rally actually has a helicopter camera (top down) it’s a sim rally game on mobile and switch

[@jarodk1294]

It’s also on PC and I like Rush Rally series too

[@hydro5168]

GT4 Hood Camera easily my favourite racing game camera

[@Tomatothrower]

Whoa, that Dev is just such a nice guy! Fan of the game!

[@lordmegatron65]

It looks so good in 3D! I absolutely love the graphic style in this game and now its shows its true potential! Brilliant! 😊👍

[@JubbLaRacing]

The game has always been 3d

[@K3ntucky123]

the most dislike thing about the car cams is when you go faster enough like prostreet for example, your camera zooms very far away makes it destroys the vision

[@badealuk428]

That is called speed effect.Imagine going more than 300mph and you feel like you’re going like 60mph…

One of the drawbacks from Forza games is the camera not giving enough sense of speed. Can't tell if I'm going 60 or 120.

[@DominicRyanOsborne]

Switching cameras and pointing out nostalgia inducing racing games makes me think about gta2 (top down vehicle combat), carmageddon, xgra, slipstream 5000, quantum redshift, fatal inertia and a few others. The racing and flight combat games that could have indie remakes very much like art of Rally because in their own ways they had somewhat detailed gameplay and could benefit from modern physics models and console 3D rendering power and multiplayer. It's really sad those types of games just aren't made anymore or are really few and far between.

[@f11bot]

For me top down view in any game usually makes me feel distant and disconnected from the game. Works better for RPGs I think!

[@soynoodles883]

damn that music its so nostalgic

[@squidiskool]

0:05 I was not expecting to hear asphalt 8 music

[@bottledwaterprod]

I kinda wish there was an in-between. Not quite as far, not quite a chase cam. More like a drone pilot without insurance cam.

[@geoprancer]

everyone out here talking about A8 OST but they’re ignoring the true gem: A.o.R.’s OST (background music in video)

[@shira_yone]

I'm pretty hyped for the update

[@rolexian]

Boy! You made it into a Kotaku article.

[@Julian_Pepper]

What's interesting to me about racing game cameras is that Virtua Racing, a Sega arcade game from 1992, had 4 camera modes (Fly, Float, Follow, and Cockpit) most of which are still common today under different names. Now I know it wasn't the origin of most of these perspectives (Cockpit and Follow were ubiquitous across the entire genre long before 1992), but I am fairly sure it was the first racing game to enable switching between them in real time. I just find it neat that racing games with adjustable cameras have been using the same system for 30 years straight and counting.

[@BD12]

Who do I have to bribe to do this for a game called Cranks and Goggles. It's another top down racing game, sort of obscure ... and I wish to fuck it had a close third-person camera

[@TheTrooperMB]

I used to play Street Racer , a game on the Sega Saturn back in the late 90's , and there was an option to play as top down view , and it was the weirdest experience :D But I got to like it somehow :D the camera was completely still and you had to race the track in a far view perspective your pixeled car somehow :D , dodging holes and dynamites and opponent's punches .. not to mention the difficulty increased driving with a still camera and a moving 360° car

[@roflBeck]

NFS Hot Pursuit 2 has a camera angle like the one in Art of Rally. Also I should get that game. I do have Absolute Drift though, it's pretty neat.

[@yuii2493]

Ahhhh the d-pad camera with Monster hunter freedom unite~

[@somedude8504]

Art of rally mentioned, opinion accepted

[@TinyBearTim]

I hate the camera angle deeply And that camera mod saves it for me

[@shorty808100]

Circuit superstars is a huge top down racer atm

[@CodenamePrince]

- 3rd person camera, my favorite - 1st person camera, it's cool - Top down camera, I hate it - Side scroll camera, Outdated and limits experience

[@M0NSTR25BEN]

So much nostalgia hearing asphalt8 ost

[@charliebean736]

The Japanese map must look fabulous in this camera

[@Tekken8Yoshimitsu]

god that asphalt 8 music makes me sad the games just not the same as it use to be

[@hamsandwich1860]

That funselektor developer is so fucking cool

[@Zumappa]

Underrated channel, love the video

[@GeneralChrisGaming]

Need for speed carbon has pacenote when drafting and I think drfting. A simple image can tell a lot when the person knows what it means

[@alsa4real]

I'd love to see a hood cam for the game.

[@alphadeltaroflcopter]

Pacenotes this and that. if its just an option its not like you have to use it, im sure there are plenty of use that would enjoy the camera angle regardless of competitiveness

[@sbeve6969]

the modder just fixed the camera going up and down apparently

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

Cockpit camera is the only way to play with a wheel for me. Roof cam is the best way to play on controller while carrying about being competitive, as it gives you best compromise between "natural feel", awareness of near environment and perspective being "fixed to the car", giving you full awereness of what's the car doing. Chase cam is what I use most of the time, as it is my "go to" for casual fun. However I hate most of chase cams. I hate aggressive close ups during braking that are all the rage now and I hate Gran Turismo chase cams even more. TBH awful chase cam was one of the reasons I only got into GT4 on emulator after finding way to "fix" stiffness of the camera. About art of rally... Oh god, I'd love to play it with roof/hood cam.

[@vanshsureka2425]

I LOVE THE ARTSTYLE OF ART OF RALLY but does anyone know that that art style is called?

[@bakayarou023]

The top down camera makes WRC II Extreme a bit more unique

[@Cyan37]

To me the original camera breaks the gameplay. It feels awkward, even after adjusting the settings many times. The perspective many times doesn't let me know if I'm going up or down, the size of upcoming jumps and just general vehicle feel.

[@openlyracist8055]

Couldn't the just have an arrow for pace notes instead with colour change and numbers to show turn difficulty?

[@Circ00mspice]

How come people say they can judge corners better in bumper/hood cam but I'm the opposite? Whenever I switch from close to hood I start bumping into walls. The only exception I found was Ridge Racer 3D's bumper cam. Maybe it's the wider tracks.

[@minoassal]

hood cam for FWD and understeery cars, 3rd person for everything else lol

[@TigerChamp99]

Awesome video Eden!

[@PSG51]

I wished there was a 3rd person view for MotorStorm RC ☹️

[@Nigmond]

I totally agree that camera has a lot of affect on a gameplay, currently i'm playing NFS:Pro Street with Aero's Camera mod and let me tell ya it feels like i'm playing totally diffrent game which is 1000 times better than the original, also 5 moths ago when i was playing Skyrim i installed Static Camera mod (aka Camera from behind like in old 3rd person games) on it and felt so confortable than the original which in my opinion isn't very good, a year ago i've installed Swarm Director 2 mod for Alien Swarm and 3rd person perspective in that mod makes you feel like you're playing Dead Space like game, also playing games like CS:GO , TF2, L4D, L4D2 feel very right.

[@lordeilluminati]

I mostly dislike bird eye view, especially isometric perspective (that is why I never liked Micro Machines), but Art of Rally I really liked, alongside GTA Chinatown Wars, which has a camera very similar to it. This camera allows better spatial awareness that bird eye provides but it doesnt screw up the position and direction awareness as isometric cameras tend to do.