How can Detroit get Kane and Tarasenko going? | Previewing the Flyers

[@andyq524]

Maybe a new coach can get them going.

[@TheParadoxDestroyer]

Sure hope Lalonde watches this episode and reads the comments. He could use the help.

[@dj4aces]

We play a defense-all-the-time system with a group of players who, outside of a few exceptions, aren't defensive. I'd rather see us play last years shoot-all-the-pucks mentality, because Kane fit that system nicely.

[@jackbowie3594]

I think Yzerman’s FA was that each time. He had to sign his 3rd, 4th and 5th options given no one wants to come and the cost. People talk about Copp, Chariot etc but no one talks about how they may have been the only ones willing to come here.

[@robjohnson5872]

We've had a problem for years. No one seems to realize that when everyone is throwing virtually the same bags of money at you, go to the place where it most suits your style.

[@bozidarborojevic4131]

I think you"re right

[@ericw3229]

You two pretty much nailed it. The personnel does not fit the type of play. That falls on Yzerman for poor roster construction.

[@benjaminbrewer7614]

Look no further than Yzerman's inept buddies in key coaching and scouting positions.

[@paulwt9783]

we have seen in the first game of Kane w Kasper/Cat and the last game w Copp/Cat how to get Kane going. put him w Cat and a center he likes (translation: not Compher), LEAVE him w them (meaning: don't take away DeBrincat after 2 games to put him back on line 1; don't put Compher back on Kane's line every two games), and let them play wide open offense with no defensive concern.

[@paulwt9783]

also, putting Kane and Cat out some times w the opponent net empty would help. but Lalonde reserves that reward for his favorites, and never mind trying to get struggling players going or rewarding them for good games w easy points. all easy points w net empty go automatically to Ray and Larkin, of the forwards. part of why Lalonde has lost the room.

[@Joe-t3r9u]

​@@paulwt9783 I totally understand your thoughts, but when the net is empty the Wings are protecting a lead and you should have your best defensive forwards out there like Raymond n Larkin who are really good defensive forwards. It would be really nice for Kane and Cat to get some easy points, but having your best speedy defensive forwards out there at the end of games to protect the lead or race down the ice to score after a takeaway is way more Important to me.

[@lopoa126]

@@paulwt9783 you must be new to hockey if you think having offensive-only type of guys are who you want out at the end of a game when protecting a lead 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@paulwt9783]

@@Joe-t3r9u By what metric are Raymond and Larkin the Wings best defensive forwards? Or good defensive forwards, period? Raymond's been on the ice for literally 3x as many goals against this year as Kane. He was a -9 at 5v5 last year while Kane was +2. His lines with Larkin/Cat give up way more goals than Kane's version. There really is no proof in any numbers. Pat is one of the best empty net wingers of all time. He's literally like top 15 ever in empty net goals. He hunts points. And bc of his passing, if he has the puck at any point w the opponent net empty your team is like 90% to score. And the Hawks had him doing it right up to the end of his time there and he never ceased being effective. One of his last game in Chi was a hat trick vs Toronto, he could have had 4 goals but at the end w the net empty he drew a bunch of defenders then hit Max Domi wide open for the free goal. He is a great empty net player. Also very unselfish. And a good stick. When there are 11 skaters in one end, it's not a speed game. It's positioning and stick work.

[@cptbluehawk57]

@@paulwt9783no, put your most defensively responsible line when the other team pulls the goalie. Larkin and Raymond are very defensively responsible

[@klompsauce]

Yzerman needs to can Newsie

[@robertwinkler8444]

Yzerman should be fired too!!!

[@BRaymondVan]

LALONDE must get the axe ! Chris Illich is the new problem & needs to sign Quenneville today!! Yzerman is playing the long game and said so since day #1. You obviously are not paying attention to the Griffins, College, juniors and G.R. Griffins. Youth is Very promising! This team needs a talented coach TODAY, however, so they are ready when the new kids join the team ! Our last rebuild took longer than it should have because they fumbled around with sub par coaches for way to long , before hiring Bowman. Hopefully, Chris Illich (& Yzerman) will learn from the past ! The most decorated coach is available RIGHT NOW !Please DON'T temppt fate !!!!!!

[@BRaymondVan]

Oops-->Tempt

[@danb239]

MAYBE PLAY TARASENKO ON RIGHT WING WHERE HE HAS PLAYED HIS ENTIRE CAREER

[@Watching-hb7pb]

Great question gents! DRWs top brass reach out to you?

[@jefjon423]

Probably just need a time machine at this point

[@larrymarvin8107]

If you mean to go back to a time when Yzerman's signings were actually good, I agree with you! Lots of over-pays, and underdelivering here.

[@casewojo6186]

Tarasenko was good on the 3rd line on the Panthers. The difference is he had supporting forecheck around him. We loved him as a depth piece for scoring though. When he’s on the forecheck, he ends up producing a lot more. I love Kane and Senko but it’s true, the roster construction for these guys is atrocious. That’s why you can tell they’re miserable.

[@danb239]

100% Scotty is dead on when he said playing Tarasenko and Kane on the same line was preposterous and was never, ever going to work. Lalone trying it for so long is one of the reasons I lost all faith in him. Loved the prom analogy as well lmao

[@wellcowboydan]

I thought Kane looked the best he has all season in the leafs game. Even Mickey said something similar. Had some decent chances, i think if he plays that way 75% of the time for the rest of the season he'll be okay. I'm probably delusional but idk. This whole team is in some weird funk (coaching?) that they need to break out of. When no one else was scoring Larkin found a way to get at least one goal each game, now hes in a huge drought. Idk guys. I just dont know.

[@xcvbxcvb2179]

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[@robjohnson5872]

Kane, Tarasenko, Compher, Veleno, Copp, Ras, Fischer - there's a lot of people who have to get going. Not proud to say in any way, but this is the third straight coach I believe needs to be replaced. We seem to have adequate goaltending, but you aren't going to win many games scoring 1 or 2 goals.

[@sportindaveyg]

The guys should all get together go out to a local spot and PLAY GLORIA WITH THE FANS!!!! GET IT GOING!!!!!! PLAY GLORIA!!!!!!!!

[@PsychoDadJesseOriginal]

Put them in between veleno

[@sportindaveyg]

PLAY GLORIA!!! SPREAD THE WORD

[@Ray-w7k]

Injuries and age may have finally caught up with Patrick Kane.I don't know enough about Trarasenko to know why he is having a poor scoring season. Obviously Lalonde is not the right coach for this team. The Wings desperately need two strong players for defense, a second line center & a second line winger. Is Yzerman not going after the right players or are his hands tied by Illitch? Ray

[@BRaymondVan]

The coach's job is to apply a system that works with the players he has on the roster. Not the other way around. If you look at Scotty Bowman with the Montreal Canadians he did not play the same style or systems as he had with the Russian five. He's a great coach and he adapted accordingly! You guys even Scottie and Brian keep on talking about personnel issues. We do have personal issues of a minor sort not a major sort. It becomes a major problem when the coach doesn't know how to utilize the people he has. I'm talking on deaf ears here, but we NEED a NEW COACH NOW ! Chris Illich needs to bring in Quenneville or expect a full on tank after New Years ! PS- Kane in an interview said he liked this line with Copp . We will see, if it works at all then leave it for 3 or 4 games.

[@JohnMeadows-gu8su]

Trade them! That will get them GOING right out of town! SEE YA!

[@halblake8763]

they are the definition of a dumpster fire

[@Joe-t3r9u]

Nahh man! Not true!

[@jl3059]

Id rather lose 8-7 every game instead of losing 2-1. At least it would be entertaining

[@danb239]

Hear me out, I think this is pretty obvious and Lalonde is a fool for not seeing this. Larkin needs to play with Raymond on line 1. Kane needs to play with Kasper. Compher and Copp clearly dosen't work with Kane for multiple reasons. Copp, Compher and Tarasenko have no business being in the top 6 and therefore they make up the 3rd line or Copp gets dropped to 4th line center. That gives you Debrincat/Rasmussen/Berggren as your options as the wingers to play on the 1st and 2nd line with Larkin/Raymond and Kasper/Kane. To get Kane going I think you need to play him with Debrincat preferably or possibly Berggren. Therefore this is the logical line combinations. Rasmussen/Larkin/Raymond. Debrincat/Kasper/Kane. Copp/Compher/Tarasenko. Berggren/Veleno/Motte. Or Debrincat/Larkin/Raymond. Berggren/Kasper/Kane. Rass/Compher/Tarasenko. Motte/Copp/Veleno. I honestly think Fischer is one of the most useless forwards offensively I have ever seen in a Wings uniform and he should be the odd man out. Big takeaway here is NO Tarasenko in top 6 and Kane needs to play with Kasper and Debrincat/Berggren and use that line in offensive zone deployments as much as possible. Berggren on the 3rd line and Copp on 4th makes sense as well for option 1.

[@michaela5461]

This is the worst red wings team we’ve ever seen in our lifetimes. By far the most disappointing sluggish team I’ve ever seen. No drive no passion. Nothing. They should be Bood off the ice every game at LCA this year. They had expectations and they failed every one of them. I’m done with this team till Blashill Jr is fired

[@ericw3229]

That one was one the worst teams ever The 1976-77 and 1985-86 were awful too. At least they got the 1st overall those times

[@halblake8763]

they lack talent, size, speed and skill

[@eribertollanas8167]

Don't need 30 minute video to know we need to fire lalonde get an actual coach and watch the players play better

[@BRaymondVan]

Lalonde is not Obviously not very smart. Vlad definitely needs to be on the right side where he's played his whole damn career. We are halfway through the season..get a clue a Lalonde.

[@professorex.19]

Go crazy with the lines: Kasper-Larkin-Razor Cat-Ras-Kane Motte-Copp-Tarasenko Fisch/Joey Poison-Compher-Bergy Ras and Cat might be good enough to get the puck back to Kane to get the puck back to them 🤷 Idk, we're winging it. Kane's here for mostly PP at this point.

[@larrymarvin8107]

At this point, I would say that he is creating his own mess.

[@travisskeans2511]

Get them going to a different team?

[@BRaymondVan]

Would people ripping or scouting or stupid?Look at our farm system all over. Minor leagues fabulous results, Sweden fabulous results, G.R. fabulous results. It's a coaching problem , a style problem , a system problem !

[@patrousseau1828]

get them going... out of town

[@BranNew1]

It shows that who Kane/Tarasenko play with have very limited scoring ability. They can’t do it by themselves. This team has 1 line that can produce offense 5v5.

[@twwap294]

Having been a wings fan since the Olympia in 1977, I'm giving up on this year. An unmotivating coaching staff, an unmotivated team, a crappy defense and questionable goaltending. F this 💩.

[@twwap294]

Tonight lyon was horrendous. All goals allowed were soft. Cossa should be up getting experience. The season is GONE anyway.

[@johanjotun1647]

Send them down and bring up Danielson and MBN.

[@paulwt9783]

Kane is much more likely to buy your farm team than play for it, you embarrassment.

[@Joe-t3r9u]

​@@paulwt9783 So True 😂😂😂

[@michaela5461]

This team is worse than the 19-20 season team just by the fact they have expectations. In 2019 they had zero expectations but atleast they had some drive in their play. This team plays like shit every game

[@jft7775]

All the D Men carry the puck to much ,they need puck moving D Men ,they skate like it’s rat hockey !

[@eribertollanas8167]

Simple, switch the coach to an actual better coach than lalonde and watch these players fly

[@bvan5340]

It’s a transition year, your criticism is ridiculous!

[@donallan6396]

Do you mean a transition decade?

[@MrJohnny777]

​@@donallan6396If you look at the 2019 roster and not getting the number 1 draft pick when the team hit rock bottom, that fate was sealed. Detroit will probably need 2 more seasons to compete and that is if Cossa, ASP, MBN and the future free agency signings can get it going. 2025 and 26 it's just small chances to squeak in the Playoffs.

[@bvan5340]

They are “has beens” just filling spaces. Stevie has replacements in GR.

[@darkphoenix2]

lol, you guys spent all summer not even questioning if Tarasenko and Kane would be on the second line, now Scott says that's ABSURD Berggren - Kasper - Kane Rasmussen - Compher - Tarasenko It's not that hard. People, Lalonde included, are just terrified of giving Berggren a chance and accepting that Rasmussen isn't a top 6 forward.

[@davideggleston1031]

Kane needs a 2nd surgery to install new legs. And they are still hyping his picture to sell tickets. Who runs the Wings marketing department? Another buddy of Stevie?

[@robertwinkler8444]

SOS with Yzerman, mediocre draft pics who stay in GR till they're almost 30 and washed up hacks who come cheap. Nothing's changed in year 6 of the 15 year Yzerplan to clean up Holland's mess. They play 1 half way decent game out of 5 or 6...Nothing changes...SOS🤷🏻‍♂

[@TheVlad1616]

What prospects are “30” in GR? Simon and Bergs should’ve been up last year, but even they are only 22 and 24 now.

[@MattK754]

Kane is washed. He looks gased and miserable out there everyday. He would do better on a team that’s not shit