How Can MECH Be This INEFFICIENT??? | Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck

Today we experience another first together. A mech player who trades inefficiently over and over again and instead OUTMINES the Zerg. I don't know what to say... This is unheard of!
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[@SpaceRa]

You see, swarm hosts have a preset kill limit. By sending wave after wave of your own units at them, they will reach their limit and shut down. This was Yuri's strategy, which he was unfortunately unable to execute to completion

[@axh2]

Ah! the famous Zap Yurigan's strategy!

[@Supergoon1989]

@@axh2 'I received my battlecruisers distress call, and came as quickly as I wanted to!' XD

[@chloesmith4065]

Imagine if spawn locusts cost energy or something

[@Harstem]

I've been playing starcraft 2 for 13 years and never knew about the preset kill limit. Can't wait to try this out in my next ladder match!

[@allmhuran]

How to lose with an A-move army: 1. Move command when attacking. 2. A-move when retreating.

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

you forgot 3. pretend like your maxed out when half of your army is in production tap.

[@HellecticMojo]

*runs battlecruiser and cyclone* "I don't see the problem here"

[@Jordan-Ramses]

3. Target stupid things instead of letting your army fight.

[@nfzeta128]

@@Jordan-Ramses literally. If he just a-moved and forgot his army there were plenty of times things would have gone better. Instead he engages in negative micro.

[@menelik6652]

​@@HellecticMojothose are not exactly a-move units almost but not quite

[@NuStiuFrate]

That tank being sieged up in a defensive building's range was just beautiful.

[@neeksthecuz]

Thor production was almost non-stop the entire game but luckily Thor destruction was keeping pace, a dream scenario for one who wishes to piss away over 60k resouces in a game

[@bakacs1n]

OBVIOUSLY Yuri is a C&C player, he tried to make the biggest most expensive unit and win with it, then he tries with cool op walking robots, then he move commands the Thors over the locusts to stomp them. Probably the build order was from that game too. That's why he kills the locusts to get exp and promote his units.

[@Jordan-Ramses]

I have always been a Yuri fan. (Yuri is Japanese for girls love)

[@Artacool]

Yuri needs to be inducted into the IODIS hall of fame. Lukareon had horrible some of the worst control I've seen on IODIS, but Yuri still found a way to have even worse control.

[@Afraidofloveandpeace]

The entire time I was wondering if he wanted to smother Thors with his Swarmhosts oO

[@austinnutter3367]

honestly at one point I was like "yeah it makes sense to just run the swarm hosts up to the thors, he's probably ready to trade for a better army" but nah, he kept on truckin. I admire it tbh.

[@sucersdungeon]

I love the editor notes, providing us objective knowledge of how bats sense their surroundings🎉❤

[@vhcblade4469]

The quotation marks on the Zerg are because his opponent wasn't living up to swarming since he had so few bases.

[@ZerglingLover]

he knows, he was going along with the joke?

[@phelanwolf6747]

It was also very impressive how Yuri "microed" his Thors by switching them into high impact mode to shoot at the Locusts XD

[@mh1593]

He had to be SURE that each 30HP locust was dead. Double dead.

[@OpiatesAndTits]

@@mh1593because imagine doing aoe damage to the locusts before they even hit the ground! You couldn’t hit a 30k resources lost deficit!

[@JK-zj1bq]

A fun idea might be comparing IODIS Games that are similar from two separate complainers. For example there are plenty of Zergs saying mech is imba and terrans saying mech sucks and zerg is imba.

[@burningsheep4473]

True, that might be interesting.

[@OpiatesAndTits]

Mech is IMBA. Anything that takes more work to execute than to deal with is imbalanced by definition at least relative to certain unit comps or matchups. Of course there’s minutes worth of game time before the Terran can field a proper mech army of like Thor tank lib hellbat/mine through which they are way more vulnerable than bio play

[@heybroy0747]

I think the analogy harstem should have used is that swarmhost are like zergified disruptors. You should dodge the attack instead of taking it head on and abuse the cooldown/fight on their side 🗣️

[@quineloe]

tbh you can't abuse the cooldown because the locust duration is exactly as long as the cooldown. You cannot beat a good swarm host army with ground. You have to get some air.

[@canna4532]

@@quineloe thats not true? locusts last 18 seconds and have 43 second cd

[@quineloe]

@@canna4532 was that changed?

[@MrTroxism]

No way that Yuri watched his replay and was like ... Yep "Zerg" is impossible to counter 😂😂

[@PrimalRockSlapper]

Imposter OP pls nerf

[@Skorpyotnt]

Come on, we all know most of the players don't have "Watch a replay" achievement.

[@shadowling77777]

@@Skorpyotntkek

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

to be fair Swarmhost can be like DT in a way that they can bamboozle shit out of you. But then is it imba it unit sucks ass in direct combat and relies on being a bamboozle harassment unit? Edit: holy fuck the amount of unit this Terran drip fed against unit with that summoned timed unit to fight is fuxking insane.

[@christopherjohnson2171]

Man I forgot Swarm Host exists its been so long since I've seen one.

[@tomasotomato]

This is something I see often in my rather lower diamond: people gain the upperhand, I barely defend, but they keep throwing waves after waves of the same thing, even after I produce counters, what eventually leads to them losing and crying like the one that sent the replay.

[@OpiatesAndTits]

@@tomasotomatothe SH was barely a counter here lol in that first fight the hellbats wandered off to fight like 10 queens while the Thor tank fought locusts alone. Blue flame hellbats melt locusts

[@aparticleforworldtoform]

0:53 diamond icon never looked so sweet

[@pinkmimic5942]

0:55, Diamond is now, apparently, a bit closer to GM.

[@Touskov]

Keeping up such perfect "negative micro" for 25 minutes is actually impressive. Im fairly certain that just attack moving the units across the map like in nexus wars would yield better results.

[@quasar2834]

22:00 Harstem what you don't understand about the situation is that air isn't viable, remember the complaint form? The "Zerg" has 3 whole corruptors, how is he supposed to counter that?

[@jackawaka]

the 1-1-2, classic build order

[@Psy-Krow]

looking forward to the hellbat, thor, bc BGMWSS, would love to see if it holds up at that level.

[@squidikka]

Lukareon: "Is it done, Yuri?" Yuri: *spamming thors* "No comrade premier, it has only begun."

[@yurimiyama9825]

Maybe Yuri here thinks that swarm hosts function like carriers? As long as he constantly kills the louses, his opponent will run out of minerals and then he can right click on the hosts?

[@HellecticMojo]

It wouldn't be surprising if he didn't know how they work. No one builds swarmhosts nowadays.

[@Athelas952]

This is incredible, they had enough to win with the first push, if they just kept hellbats in front of the thors instead of losing everything to locusts while hellbats shoot a hatchery

[@wedgeantilles8575]

Harstem - plays Starcraft daily since a decade. Yet in every game he watches he finds something he "has never seen before in his life" :D

[@andersgrundstrom1794]

There will have to be caveats added soon. "I have never before seen a 20 carrier push die to hydras at the 37 minute mark on Romanticide on a tuesday right after Arsenal won 2-1 on home field!"

[@Supergoon1989]

1:24 I genuinely laughed out loud, these edits are so good!

[@exwi-zed533]

Get everyone who has played in tournaments to come up with 3 replays for you that are potentially actually IMBA, would be interesting at this point - maybe we could see a LEGIT/IMBA stamp.

[@Magdavian]

wow,. that first BC jump was sad,. split damage on multiple structures that regenerate,.. hmm,. should have just wrecked the spire i think,.

[@NeoBladeSC2]

I watched a lot of SC2 in my time. It's the first time ... EVER ... I see a tank killed by Spine Crawlers. That is actually impressive. @ 22:44

[@kyle52245]

This series is so good! It helps me understand some of my mistakes as well, like running lots of speedlings up a ramp just "hoping" to break through a terran..... Your constant analogies of how they are being stupid is probably my favorite part!

[@tobiasdeppler5048]

This complaint can't be serious

[@genehenson8851]

Man I laughed out loud at “humans living without a brain”

[@owenthailand]

Hello, YoeYuri here, thank you for your advice. Next time I will just adding BC and run away from locust. Thanks for what you and your team have done for this community. I hope that you still get a lot of replay, I love this series.

[@DrewCocker]

Where did you get that build order?

[@owenthailand]

@@DrewCocker From Spawning Tool, but it used to be double bc rush into bio, however I changed it a bit. hahaha

[@bluerendar2194]

Hyperflight rotor banshees is also a fun/cheaper counter to nydus swarmhosts when not backed by a ton of anti-air

[@DavidWilson-mi3uk]

​@@owenthailandIf you change it into something completely different then it stops being a build order 😭😭😭🤣

[@owenthailand]

@@DavidWilson-mi3uk it is still a build order, just not a very efficient one. I am afraid of plagiaris, hahaha.

[@Kilesfactor]

Thor - Hellbat - BC was my build when I could actually play the game. I didn't win alot, but when I did, it was great

[@wanderhillen2435]

For the nitpick: raising the depot at 4:18 would have trapped the scouting zergling with 1 hp.

[@xxhowisuxx]

Yuri is one of those people that played the campaign, then thought that was the actual game. And the enemy would just slowly feed wave after wave of units into their thor-siegetank army. Unfortunately real players don't tend to do that.

[@WandererTheLost]

To be fair, that is what he did for the opponent.

[@konstantinriumin2657]

Amogus is imba race confirmed

[@johnm725]

This cannot be a serious iodis

[@sakesaurus]

9:19 i often do that on the extreme side: holding down drone key as the engagement with opponent starts and he start killing my drones

[@JamesHeier]

"Beating Grandmaster with literally the stupidest stuff."

[@HellecticMojo]

Moment Swarmhosts got complained about, I knew that this was either the best one ever or the worst one ever.

[@sakesaurus]

as a swarm host connoisseur i approve swarm host is op when used correctly

[@ToTheNines87368]

20:06 bless you!

[@stanimir5F]

I think this guy was a troll. I can never believe that someone who plays like this would look at the replay and think "I can't be suck".

[@jingxuanwang8674]

I feel like a good BGMWSS would be, the only unit ability used is a-move. That'd be funny, after seeing the no a-move video.

[@CowanVids]

The imposter just killing me as the "Zerg"

[@Azeur]

Bats have really good sight and it works great for seeing in the dark. Wombats however! Blind as a wombat is never wrong.

[@blucheez19]

the tank friendly fire on the thors was painful to watch

[@jordanuecker7744]

As a Zerg who has lost to this Terran comp MANY times after being vastly ahead, it brings me joy to see it dismantled by one of the worst units in the game xD

[@toditron]

To be fair, many of his Thors appeared to be drunk.

[@HijoDeKorhal]

Yuri's playing starcraft the same way the AI plays age of empires 2: building lots of production buildings, then lots of units and A-moving them on a death row Only difference is that the AI atleast can micro every single unit

[@apakan1665]

Editing on this was beautiful

[@EternalHappElements]

The mech play like space marines. There's no retreat.

[@antilar4579]

obviously late to the party but what triggered me the most was the fact that he swapped his thors to the antiarmor air attack, like if he kept the splash damage on 4 or 5 thors would have demolished the locust waves

[@DeDoG-py7ef]

0:50 you said he is a diamond player but on the form the master leaqua is what was filled out

[@charlieawerbuch5352]

Watching the hellions just run away every time a locust wave was launched confused me. Locusts have next to no health, so the hellion AoE would have slaughtered them. The thors could have started slowly killing the swarm hosts while the hellions kept the locusts under control. Add in some banshees and vikings, or even some BCs, and this should have been an easy clean up.

[@Passwort0000]

I think he just didn't understand that locus are spawned by the swarmhost...

[@Sorenzo]

"His imba composition" - 43 swarm hosts. You can literally just walk away. 😂 I get why you'd think "oh he can build corruptors faster than I can build air units" but then he doesn't seem to recognize that his Thors could support those air units if he just stopped fighting the swarmlings.

[@orzdancing]

More hellbats and A-move them with Thors to the opponent. Then macro up to mass BCs. At least that's what I've learned from ViBE's terran B2GM series.

[@leojohn1615]

this was one of the most painful games i've seen

[@peekaboo6168]

1:05 Editor error - ticked the Masters box, not the Diamond box :>

[@Sorenzo]

It's a shame that some Terran players don't realize Battlecruisers can move normally - and not really that slowly, either.

[@Caretzz]

Nice production value

[@kushpacsmike]

thanks for the comedy Harstem!

[@AlbertCloete]

If someone goes mass swarm hosts, just go mass BC, and then don't kill the swarm hosts. Force him to kill his own swarm hosts if he wants supply to build anti air. If he attacks your base, just lift up your buildings and base trade him.

[@pavel1269]

I mean he said that he has a build order, not that he's gonna use it.

[@alexkorolkov951]

How come this level is 3400 MMR? Where are all those people? I meet 2800 MMR people who are microing 2 armies at once with macro 200+ APM for Terran.

[@Skorpyotnt]

That zergling saw the world.

[@octav3k]

"You can't fight water and win" - ironic, coming from a netherlander.

[@gurglegator7707]

Harstem Reviewing this and coming to the conclusion that Terran has op army compositions and is indeed imba.

[@lefm_]

With hellbats (not hellions) thors dont even need to run from locusts, just put hellbats in front and they fry them all.

[@josephstockton2813]

As a Gold league Thor Hellbat player I can confirm that I have no brain and I am also allergic to air units

[@wedgeantilles8575]

This game HAS to be staged, no? There is no way this is a genuine game and he honestly believes that this is an IMBA game? But I don't care, I had a lot of fun watching this episode :)

[@min009]

My man just needed to mass cyclones and hellbats.

[@abyrvalg_]

cute swarmhosp play

[@victornunes9845]

Holy shit that thumbnail

[@JoducusKwak]

dosnt everyone who plays starcraft have a buildorder, i m not saying its always a good buildorder but if you didnt have one you would do a worker rush and even then you had a buildorder to build more workers. Edit: if anything is imba its actually the Terran units ... look at them go surviving and killing so much stuff besides the bad micro, those Thor Pilots deserve a medal also wasnt the Zerg maxed out with almost exclusivelly Swamhosts? he could have gone back to use air units ... okay i only played Gold and the last time i played was a year ago what do i know

[@GrimOrdnance]

This is how I imagine every Terran on reddit.

[@CabbageCookies13]

rip archon toilet

[@wgacrazy8245]

As a long-time Gold League Terran, even I see that YoeYuri was just making bad decisions and throwing away his units. Racial balance didn't cost him this game. Did he think his units would win on their own? Why does he even think this was IMBA? No selfreflection on his own actions and what happend in the game at all? Did he even watched the replay? IMHO this game was just a ruse to get in IODIS and get a commentary from Harstem. And why does Harstem think he's a diamond player, when the cross is in Master's box? Did I miss something?

[@jaybyhop]

So many thors...

[@Markfr0mCanada]

If you're looking for stupid Zerg stuff to do to GMs: Use neural to make as many different enemy units dance as possible!

[@davidburton9690]

200 points of paper wont beat scissors

[@Daiyuki117]

As soon as I heard Swarm Host LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@philipp.entity]

BRING BACK THE ARCHON TOILET!

[@Erebus2075]

ahhh it makes you happy to see so much terran die doing so little.. warms the mind :D

[@Erebus2075]

t not op. sure :P

[@poilo999]

when i see something like this i start thinking i could be high mmr diamond if i start playing

[@burningsheep4473]

It seems like he could just have built more Hellbats with Preigniter and still won with just A-moving, no? Much of the time he just lost his Thors without even having much of a screen. It's not like that is specific to Locusts. Tons of Zerglings should work just as well. Well, ok, not without some upgrades of course.

[@wholelottalight]

How do you play that game and come away thinking that you did well enough to say that a race is imba?

[@tarvoc746]

I think these compositions both work for BGSS. Do Thor-Hellbat-BC next, and then Swarmhost-Corruptor after that.

[@mase598]

I don't get how you decide your gonna play this comp, see swarm hosts, and not follow up with ANY battlecruisers or even just a handful of banshees. I get the issue of being scared of the corrupters, but thors rip them apart so quickly. at 18:42 (15 minutes in game) we see 4 thors take out about half a corrupter in 1 volley. With how fast they shoot as well, a corrupter can be deleted in under 2 seconds. Even FURTHER bonus on top of that, that anti-air attack from the thor isn't a projectile. If 4 thors aim at a corrupter and the damage from 1 will kill them, the other 3 thors will retarget. We also know that homie is building a LOT of thors, they'd actually be killing a corrupter every second or so. Oh all of this is also not even considering that yamato cannon was already researched and as pointed out, 2 starports were actively on stand by able to pump out battlecruisers. The zerg wasn't even careful with his corrupters or queens, 2 battlecruisers would genuinely could have won this game for the Terran.

[@nocturnalverse5739]

Yeah, pro's don't use swarm hosts because it's universally agreed that they are imba and just bad form. /s

[@Framidan]

This game can be resumed as: good macro, terrible micro.

[@simonsoupshark8009]

man got to diamond without ever fighting swarm hosts i guess?

[@meandmyself1600]

I see swarmhost, I press like

[@isuckatgaming7589]

You have to think about the infestor

[@blandoworthlessness]

How is this guy in diamond league? I'm struggling to stay in tier 3 platinum on NA servers and my build order is more efficient.

[@lysy-zn2gg]

7:17 BC at lower levels imba comfired?

[@shadowling77777]

Echolocation is technically sonar xd

[@nremn9689]

22:12 love how he used swarm hosts to block thor in

[@larkermouse]

I love the idea of desperately trying to take out a base against someone who already has 20+ swarmhosts. Yeah yeah, it's okay to lose all of your thors, as long as you can potentionally slow down their economy! They'll have less larva and resources to make their, uhh . . . (checks notes) . . . locusts.

[@heybroy0747]

Swarmhost vs broodlord? which is more OP?

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

One unit is known for being oppressive and nerfed multiple times other unit is unused 99% of the game I think we all know the answer.

[@HellecticMojo]

​@@allhailderpfestor4839ah, the swarmhost then - guy from HOTS

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

@HellecticMojo Other unit is fake so it has to be Broodlord-WoL player

[@aussteigen]

3.400 is Master? Thought 4k