How could the Islamic World be Saved? | History of the Middle East 1865-1888 - 9/21

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[@JabzyJoe]

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[@iveBENgaming]

With this ad can you only get a specific day but from all these people (eg:June 18th from __ then next day June 18th from someone else)

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

no talk of iran

[@shzarmai]

cool video

[@death-istic9586]

Love your videos!💚

[@Arshia-cb2se]

Why the hell you separated iran From Azerbaijan province??????????????

[@hendriktonisson2915]

A similar in depth series on the history of the eastern half of Europe - Finland, the Baltic countries, the Visegrad countries, Romania and the Balkans would be interesting.

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

No because there aren't multiple civilisations in Europa, there's only the western and eastern civilisation.

[@darthparallax5207]

Well I would argue the North is separate from East and West at least. And you could count the South as separate from the West from about the year 800. France, Italy, Sweden, Poland being roughly the centers of culture.

[@leme5639]

@@daseapickleofjustice7231 Eastern civilization is in fact.. European.

[@leme5639]

@@darthparallax5207 they're the same with a few differences.

[@debater452]

Finland isn't apart of eastern Europe

[@bruh8025]

Slight correction - you seem to refer to the founder of the Wahhabi movement as "al-Wahhab". That wasn't the guy's name at all. His given name was Muhammad. His father's name was Abd al-Wahhab (which means servant of Al Wahhab i. e. the Bestower). So they called him Ibn (son of) Abd al-Wahhab. To refer to him as just "al Wahhab" would be wrong, not only because that's not even close to his given name, but because that's a name of Allah!

[@uuba2]

These western kuffar don't understand this.

[@MrBumbo90]

who cares?

[@bruh8025]

@@MrBumbo90 If you don't care about accuracy, history might not be for you. Or in that case, any science whatsoever

[@MrBumbo90]

He got the history right but pronounced the name wrong. It is normal since this is a foreign language to him.@@bruh8025

[@mrright9437]

This creature can't read the comments 😅 I wright the same comment in previous video ..

[@Critt_Ari]

Ottoman iskan policy wasn't something borrowed from western colonialism, it was one of the key elements of the empires rise as a second byzantium from a small beylik in anatolia, they used problematic turkmen tribes (who didn't wanted to serve to any kind of ruler since they were people who were there because their fathers and mothers didn't wanted to serve to the Genghis's armies in the first place) as turkification instruments in the balkans and used problematic( by problematic I mean populous and thus hard to shift from one culture to another) people from other cultures as profession starters for their newly founded turkish cities and towns which lacked experienced people of many city life based professions, like masonry or farming for example. This was one of the core policies that made the ottomans what they were during the years in which they were the most dominant force in europe

[@morewi]

It's a desperate attempt to protect non whites from criticism and his actual belief that's why he mentioned it

[@UnlockedANDunleashed]

dear jabzy, thanks for bringing back the zooming sprite, that fit with melancholic music instead of the wiggly ones

[@HR4_]

This channel is such a hidden gem! I hope we can see something about North African.

[@ItsCasprin]

You have revolutionized my understanding of the world. Thank you beyond words.

[@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist]

Yo lol, and Jazby has done a lot of teaching; what would be considered a phd course in world history and international relations.

[@gonfreaks937]

Thought you only made 3 minute videos, very interesting.

[@chiefinspectorkido2999]

Why we are a mess today ? Tariq ibn Shihab reported: Umar ibn al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “Verily, we were a disgraceful people and Allah honored us with Islam. If we seek honor from anything besides that with which Allah honored us, Allah will disgrace us

[@gilangthehuman7713]

May allah guides us, we should strive to be better aswell

[@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist]

I heard from writings with Sadiq Altabib Al Khasab ibn Hiraj that this is why the Quran was given to the Arabs/in Arabic. But also, Surah Al-Maidah-68; “…you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] The Torah, The GospeIs…”

[@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist]

I have 3 issues: (1) When revealed to Mo; he was accosted & thought he was talking to demons. He needed his wife/people to calm him down, then (2) was later admittedly fooled by The Shaytan (“TheShytncVrses”), then (3) said if he lies about what God said, "let his aorta be cut." When poisoned, his companion's stomach hurt for a year, but he grabbed his neck & exclaimed "it feels like my aorta has been cut". All of this is backed up by top sources like Sahih MusIim.

[@Abshirayamisra]

We have to better ourselves for Allah

[@unnamedshadow1866]

There are still 6 parts left. You will know why you are still a mess today. Then again, you don't even need to ask. Your overlord was replaced from the British to the USA. And the USA is a terrible overlord, they don't really want to rule over other nations. As such this caused radicals to rise up, since the USA doesn't really care about the region the same way the UK did. Territory is irrelevant for the USA. And when you don't care about Foreign Territory, then the most radical parts of that territory will take things into their own hands.

[@Game_Hero]

This sponsor actually looks interesting and matching the subject of the video.

[@Soap_bubbles591]

I love this channel❤

[@exosproudmamabear558]

If you wanna know how bad Ottoman empire is in 19th century just play victoria 3. It is just really difficult to even make the country normal let alone a powerhouse. It makes me think how the hell Atatürk managed salvage a disaster like that? Despite all history knowledge I learned in school explaining that for years.

[@arthurcaillet3921]

Could you add your sources in the video ?

[@sircatangry5864]

10:15 Interesting that man who started this movement was of Kirimli (Crimean tatar) origin.

[@YoussefDaanBenAmor]

Incredibly well detailed video on the atrocious state of the Muslim world in the middle of the 19th century! Just a few small nitpick’s around like the Sandzak territory in dispute between the Austrians and Ottomans and the Caucasus border which changed after 1877.

[@Klopp2543]

One thing is inevitable Islamic nations will form some sort of confiderency something along the lines of the EU. It's true there's some divisions along tribal, ethnicity etc lines. The biggest impediment is external influence and selfishness. Moreso in Arabic nations. Something will give eventually.

[@Zul_Qarnain]

" We are a nation whom Allah honoured with Islam if we seek honour beyond Islam Allah will humiliate us " Omar ibn Al Khattab

[@jannyboe9365]

I can see a lot of comments on my posting. I appreciate the majority are arguing. My general response to all are no matter the religion, islam, christian jewish and whatever they all spiral out in extremism when religious leaders gains control and power. The main reason is that the dogma claims to be the only true religion. So gradually nonbelivers comes under pressure to convert. Gradually this worsens into perescutions. We have seen this in many religions back in history. What makes it even worse is that when dogma rules the only way to gain influence, political power etc. is to be an even more faithfull believer than the rest. Then everyting splinters into fighting fractions and violence takes over. The only thing to do is to live and let live. Let people belive whatever they wants and accept them as they are. Good citicens, friends and so forth. History has shown many examples of tolerant societies are the most thriving and prosperous. When they fall its because of internal segregation and we returns to my beginning of this debate. Have a good and prosperous new year to all and accept differencies.

[@scorpiovenator_4736]

Bro is Using wonderdraft. I love wonderdraft

[@aquilpengaming]

0:26 Two right hands lmao

[@jakegarvin7634]

Yo bro you forgot about The Armenians and The Georgians on your fancy thumbnail. Given Current events don't you think that's in bad Taste?

[@dariuszdudka1991]

The Muslims were never united the day Ali was killed in Karbala. Fix the grassroot of it should be taken first.

[@KangaKucha]

While my Ottoman Empire aka OME (or maybe OLME/A) is too fiction as it is just too large for the time, it's more to do with being by the 'Seas' than just depending on the 'Grounds' like Persia which might have chances at Caucasia and Central Asia but that's about it and not likley to hold Vs. Russia from North and Britain from South when they come around (Russia beats Turkey and until about WW1, Britain allies with them almost like 7/8 war could be helpful and maybe Crimea?)

[@omerege4209]

Khilafah unites, nationalism divides

[@connor1414]

Antoun Saade would have created a greater syria, the peninsular arab bloc would have to be separate, and then egypt and berbers in seperate blocs

[@aze94]

“In anger at this the Ottomans abandoned the fez as the Ottomans had a near monopoly on the hat”

[@JabzyJoe]

My bad - supposed to say Austrians

[@aze94]

@@JabzyJoe Thank you for your quick response. The video as a whole is very good!

[@m_k159]

Imagine getting a letter from the mad dog of England.

[@UlyssesJonah]

oh boy that last word, next episode is gonna be spicy

[@stormrider6202]

This video has to much propaganda! When you talk about the Ottomans and use the propaganda of the Europeans to make look the Ottomans bad ! Next time make a video base on real fact not assumptions or propaganda of Europeans !

[@mhmadbedrddeen3414]

Only a super state that gives it's distinct people some autonomy would be a step forward in becoming truly independent from foreign powers

[@rg10mex]

Ottoman Empire tried this and this didn't work, because autonomous regions would fight each other....

[@mhmadbedrddeen3414]

@@rg10mex The ottomans were corrupt, weak against foreign powers and tried to impose their culture on other cultures and helping one faction against another, what I'm advocating for is nothing like that, I see that a system more like the US is the way to go

[@sucloxsucloxsson]

Sounds like the ottomans version 2. Yeah no

[@mhmadbedrddeen3414]

@@sucloxsucloxsson No, I don't mean like an ottoman empire which was based on brutality, don't put words in my mouth

[@shzarmai]

Yeah, maybe a Pan-Islamic supranational political, military and economic union of cooperation could help......

[@sucramyalcin]

I am Assyrian and I’m gratefull for the makers of the video also mentioned the struggles of the Assyrians

[@amirseighali856]

assyria is a location ,not people or culture

[@pipipupu5104]

​@@amirseighali856they are people and culture which you religion of peace ethnically cleansed them

[@amirseighali856]

@@pipipupu5104 buddy i'm not a muslim.

[@pipipupu5104]

@@amirseighali856 so what

[@Sheikh_diane]

​@@pipipupu5104please make sure what the word "you" means

[@birnenaugustbirnenaugust321]

Ever wondered where the term "pan" comes from?

[@loicrodriguez2532]

Greek. It means “all”, “everything”.

[@birnenaugustbirnenaugust321]

@@loicrodriguez2532 yes and also the very first "god" from which other gods derived...in a whole bunch of myths

[@reconscout2238]

As a westerner i understand that you feel your identity is closer to christian armenians than turks but portraying t like ottomans out of nowhere randomly decided to opress armenians if they did actually think that they would (and should have done it) 400 years ago

[@JabzyJoe]

That's like arguing the Germans couldn't have tried to genocide the Jews because historically they didn't try it. So why would the Nazis "randomly decided to oppress" them. Governments and politics change.

[@reconscout2238]

@@JabzyJoe But when the german goverment did the holocoust the regime and the goverment was different it was transioned from a constitional monarchy to totalitarian racialist regime but the ottoman goverment was literally the same system as it was when it was founded until 1908

[@crocodileguy4319]

​@reconscout2238 that's a blatant lie, the young turk regime that began 1908 was less monarchist and more akin to the modern 20th century military dictatorship, and overall claiming that the ottoman government and governing style was the same from the 1200's to the 1900's is actually braindead

[@reconscout2238]

@@crocodileguy4319 İf you read what i wrote i said ''until 1908'' and the ottoman governing sytle was more or less the same until 1908 sure tanzimat reforms regulated the buroucracy more but the ideology of the goverment was the same

[@exosproudmamabear558]

@@reconscout2238 Not really in 1200 there was no government that had power everything was under padishah's rule. In 1800's padishahs are started to lose control (Due to them getting younger and some being disinterested in politics) and the young Turks became the totalitarian regime like Nazis. Despite knowing how shitty they are padishah couldnt do anything to stop them due to waning powers. So no ideology shifted it isnt the same regime despite looking like that.

[@billythekid1961]

How the hell did Bulgaria take the land?

[@onemoreminute0543]

This is something with the modern Middle East I find interesting when comparing it to modern Europe - religious unity and identity came before ideas of nationalist unity and identity, which was the opposite in Europe in the 19th century when it came to states breaking away from the major empires. Like, when Woodrow Wilson announced his 14 points and the point concerning self determination reached to inhabitants of what is now Iraq, it was met with some confusion, as many of the people living there based themselves on tribal and religious affiliations first and foremost. I think one could argue that the decision by Atatürk to abolish the caliphate in 1924 was a milestone (for better or worse) in pushing Middle Eastern nations to abandon a form of pan Islamist unity that they had semi accepted under the Ottomans. Pan Arabism gained even greater traction afterwards and Syria and Iraq began to mold their national identities in a manner similar to European nationalism.

[@orboakin8074]

That's because with Christianity, our religion was never set up as a social and political tool, unlike Islam. it was once deemed sinful to practice usary or even have more representative governance in the west. Our religion also practiced debt slavery and never sanctioned things like liberalism, democracy, and women's suffrage. Christianity wisely reformed and made changes for social and religious betterment. Islam was on the path to making these changes but orthodox forces stopped them. This is a fundamental weakness Islam has (i.e. a religion created as a basis for political and social building that can never be separated) unlike Christianity where Church and state are separate.

[@TOBAPNW_]

​​​@@orboakin8074You don't understand history, Christianity, or social/political power, then. Ever since "states" have been adopting Christianity as their official religion, it has been a tool for social and political control Nothing about Christianity, as practiced or as taught, disavows the unification of church and state. State sanctioned secularism is quite new, relatively speaking, for 'the West' and is by no means universal.

[@ShapurDD]

@@orboakin8074 Church and State being seperate is Secularism, not Christianity.

[@jacklaurentius6130]

@@orboakin8074the reform was unwise. Social cohesion is at an all time low in all traditionally Christian countries, are you purposely ignoring that? Christianity observes natural law and liberalism is being proven wrong in real-time.

[@jacklaurentius6130]

No, we were two sides of the same coin in the Middle Ages. Both the Christian and Islamic world were virtually the same. Lords ruling the land and religion the dominant thought in society. The 30 years war gave birth to the “nation state” and that happened centuries earlier than the 19th century. People identified more their specific culture over their religion, ironically because of the split between Catholics and Protestants. The failed invasion of England by the Catholics gave an early birth to the English identity awakening. The Hundred Years’ War was the French awakening.

[@skyleonidas9270]

First you need peace, then prosperity and then you can unite, thats how non bellicous unions happen

[@mpforeverunlimited]

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[@Hacker41822]

1. Get rid of the colonial control it still is under.

[@rezazazu]

Such a shame to use a misleading thumbnail for a great historical video. You're so beyond using clickbaits like that.

[@sahilhossain8204]

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[@RanDom-if2ee]

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[@makouras]

Weren't the British fighting the Zulus in 1879, instead of the Boers?

[@Liberater4589]

I think it is time I intervened

[@AlperenCan52]

Everyone from outside always think that Turkiye is panturkist but inside reality Turkiye is panislamist😂

[@AlperenCan52]

Even sometimes panarabist 😂

[@BOZ_11]

Gladstone's funny, with the quote: "They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity" Just a few years later, Gladstone would bear some responsibility for the death of 100 million Indians between 1880 and 1920 though colonial policies, since he was PM from 1880-1885 in his second stint. Britain had a hand in causing the famines in part by taxing Indians, and then using the revenue to buy their goods, essentially getting free goods (agricultural and otherwise) Oh, and a bit of slavery: "In 1834, when slavery was abolished across the British Empire, the owners were paid full value for the slaves. Gladstone helped his father obtain £106,769 (equivalent to £10,920,000 in 2021) in official reimbursement by the government for the 2,508 slaves he owned across nine plantations in the Caribbean.[25]" Just a sanctimonious guy; pretty common for western statesmen

[@arandeepsingh6419]

Whether he is sanctimonious or not is irrelevant, is his assessment of the Turks unfair?

[@BOZ_11]

@@arandeepsingh6419 You're asking if "anti-human" is unfair? Is this a serious question? Ironically, you have an Indian name. No love for your deceased countrymen?

[@orboakin8074]

Sanctimonious and a hypocrite he was, but still a minority among westerners and far better than the majority of Arabs and Muslims or that time. At least the British and Europeans actively tried and succeeded in abolishing slavery via economic and military means, despite having no reason to aside from humanity and their own pride. Arabs and Muslims were content to keep that evil alive and still practice it today with no sense of shame.

[@ahmedmaniyaruni4300]

Anti Human maybe discernible only if have tunnel vision for the sliver of history between 1880-1920

[@nomoresunforever3695]

Paying slave holders for the slaves is not immoral because all the non slave holding citizens also supported slavery, they just happened to not own any. It makes sense the cost would be divided among citizens.

[@bosbanon3452]

Not fighting each other in the middle east is the solution no matter what is the idiology

[@bosbanon3452]

Why do you put a Javanese Dancer from Wayang Orang when you describing the Sultanate who migrated to India ?

[@bosbanon3452]

About the Kathiri in Java there's a Indonesian actor from Al Kathiri Descent name Aliando Syarif (Sharif in English Transliteration) Al Kathiri( Al Katsiri in Indonesian Transliteration) who well know from the "Ganteng-ganteng Serigala 🐺" series, a Twillight Knock off, but he is from West Sumatera

[@ressam_tr]

Whatever you say, Turks have realized that they are no longer Middle Eastern. Do not treat people with whom we have no relations, that is, Arabs and Persians, as if we were from the same nation.

[@bakonajm1136]

Please do a video on history of Kurds

[@onlinegladiator5888]

A lot of these videos focus on uniting or drawing better borders for the middle eastern nations. Yet none of them actually focuses on the real reason that led to its downfall, western involvement.

[@Kappatalism]

the betrayal of arab muftis against their caliph forever ended the idea of a unity based on Islam, tribalism is bigger in the old Ottoman territories than anywhere else

[@orboakin8074]

What really screwed Islam and the middle east was when they abandoned the reforms and modernization of Harun al-Rashid during the golden age, while the west and Christendom wisely embraced change and benefit from it today. Turkey is the only Muslim country that actually reformed and modernized and is doing well because of that while maintaining their Muslim sense of identity and faith.

[@test-ot1fz]

Ottomans were nothing but colonizers and genociders Arabs never wanted to be ruled by ottomans They oppressed Arabs, Armenians, Greeks In fact Arab revolt was not the only one

[@test-ot1fz]

​@@orboakin8074the west is not Christian, it's anything but christian

[@orboakin8074]

@@test-ot1fz Yes, the west is not a Christian orthodoxy anymore, like how the middle east is Islamic orthodoxy, but for you to say the west is no longer Christian is not really true. What about the Judeo-Christian frameworks, laws, philosophies, politics and economics all derived from Christianity? Things like liberalism, capitalism, etc that all were derived from Christianity? Also, more than half of western populations still identify as Christians. So the west is still Christian no matter how you look at it. They are just not ultra-orthodox like the middle east and that is a very good thing.

[@test-ot1fz]

@@orboakin8074 first of all orthodox Islam is not bad Libya is richer than modern day Russia in Gaddafi days, Iraq was the fourth strongest millitary in the 90s Second of all the west secular, some things like LGBT in churches are allowed, hell, Christmas isn't even about jesus The west is nowhere near Christian, it's secular which means all religions exist there

[@Raccooniebbg]

The way this map is so inaccurate..

[@cyfix7295]

Pan. Peter Pan 😎

[@Sheikh_diane]

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[@asryorumcu5208]

It's best for the Middle East if everyone stays away from each other. There is absolutely no other option!

[@amazighayaou2042]

Riffian are Amazigh Africans and no Asian Arab Moroccans. And by the Margalo war between the Riffians and Spain the Asian sultan of Morocco sided with Spain against the Riffians

[@abdulhakimsaid9264]

Pax Ottomana rediviva !❤

[@R_TERRA916]

Ongezellig-🇳🇱

[@niggacockball7995]

troonzellig

[@hailgiratinathetruegod7564]

The greatest gem of all time

[@R_TERRA916]

@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 Gemy

[@shzarmai]

I think Pan-Islamism would most likely have been the best historical, geopolitical, economic and cultural course for the Middle East (from the options given or options available): especially a Pan-Islamic sovereign (federated) superstate of Middle-Eastern cooperation like the Proposed "European Federation" or Proposed "East African Federation" maybe...(reinforced* by Corporatist social class* collaboration e.g. with a possible ''Ottoman Corporatist Parliament'' or something like that)

[@shoreshfathi3069]

Fuck no

[@shzarmai]

​@@shoreshfathi3069 why??

[@Arizona-ex5yt]

This idea presupposes a level of constitutional sophistication Muslims did not have in the 19th century. Frankly, they still don't.

[@karimmezghiche9921]

​@@shzarmaibecause he's an Arab nationalist, they hate Islam.

[@shoreshfathi3069]

@@shzarmai Prefer secularism

[@KangaKucha]

You should see my Ottoman Empire aka OME. Lasts from 1200s to roughly 1916 or 1920s While more fiction than reality, it's still amazing as a what if.

[@simulacrumpilot2777]

What is an OME?

[@VexLooter]

@@simulacrumpilot2777 Old(sick) man of Europe?

[@leaveme3559]

Ottomans would have been carved out in the 19th century.....you should thank the British for saving you

[@KangaKucha]

@@simulacrumpilot2777 Ottoman (also Omani ish), Morocco, and Ethiopia (could be A-something too) It's basically Ottoman plus 2 African Empires that existed w/o the Turks but what if they didn't? Morocco being the only North Africa they didn't.

[@KangaKucha]

@@VexLooter LOL clever joke

[@daniyalamed2960]

Currently the best solution is a confederation of muslim states like European union. Where every country is allowed to run its own affairs but trade is allowed to freely flow. Or a defensive alliance like NATO. As things currently stands muslims countries will get picked one by one till they are all gone. You do not have to be religious to see this fact. You might be a seculraist but you can still be fine with this framework beacuse it does not interfere with your personal life and does not impose religion on you. It preserves every countires unqiue identity. However, it does provide you and your country security and to live in peace which every human being deserves. At the end of the day we have to realize that size of a country does matter. America is 300 milion+ China is a billion plus. This fact allows them to impose their will on the world stage. With little tiny states like how muslims have right now they will always be at the mercy of these bigger countries.

[@berkhan1064]

I like your videos but I am increasingly under the impression that you tend to portray the UK in a positive manner while the rest is portrayed in a negative manner. 38:33

[@JabzyJoe]

I think its fair to what happened. France and Spain were far more brutal in North Africa.

[@wasal5526]

@@JabzyJoeUhm hello… Israel is perhaps the most brutal result Britain enforced on the Middle East. Please check yourself

[@berkhan1064]

@@JabzyJoe That might be so, but it's still problematic to portray the British too positively. Specifically with this video, it seems almost like the British are just mere dept collectors and mediators which mitigates their imperialist ambitions for resources, power and colonies.

[@nostaljiturkce]

@@JabzyJoe How about America or Australia or New Zealand? Do you know what England stand for? The land of angles! Do you also believe so?

[@JabzyJoe]

@@nostaljiturkce 1 - Do I believe that Angles and Saxons arrived in England? Yes. 2 - This video is on the Middle East in the late 19th Century. Why would I discuss America 300 years earlier?

[@docastrov9013]

12:24 it is strange to think if Islam hadn't usurped Christianity in Arab countries, there'd be no Israel.

[@nightraven2975]

There was no Israel until around ww1. There was no such thing existed in the late 1800s.

[@orboakin8074]

Turkey is the ONLY Muslim country that wisely embraced modernity and reform when it needed to. The same way that Christianity and the west did during their reforms and modernisation. They (Turkey) wisely embraced the policies laid out by Harun al-Rashid and embraced tolerance, secularism, democracy, capitalism, industry, technology and education. The rest of the middle east had their chance but they will never do that and their region continues to decline as a result.

[@colexpert9528]

Turkey was a military dictatorship for most of it's history, i would say Malaysia did it better

[@AshkanPacino13]

lmao, is that why you are going back to islamism with Erdogan? you are even more embarrassing since you're literally going backwards and rejecting modernism

[@nomoresunforever3695]

​​@@Wood97718"interference"? Tell me, why were the Europeans able to interfere in the Arab world? What gave them the ability? Could it be that power comes from things like: tolerance, secularism, democracy, capitalism, industry, technology and education?

[@orboakin8074]

@@Wood97718 wait, you do know that the Islamic golden age happened several millennia before European colonization, right? There was no interference then and the Arab and Muslims world still decided to abandon progress because of blind orthodoxy. Second, are you telling me the region of the middle east was always peaceful before Jews and European Jews came? Finally, the Ottomans were always more progressive and modernizing since the time of the Sultanate and not when the military took power. So you claiming such, is just wrong.

[@tedhubertcrusio372]

​@@Wood97718you forgot that Ottoman Turkey fought off an invasion by the British Empire. Your intention here is to spread your ideological hatred for the Jews and Europeans, while disregarding the fact that the richest Muslim country in the Middle East (not North Africa) gave us advanced tech (ASELSAN, Rakuten, Altay and much more)

[@bobdollaz3391]

The fact you addressed Theodore Herzls role in whitewashing the Hamidian Massacres is applaudable! Too many 🔯 deny this inconvenient truth! *Additionally 🇮🇱 supports Azerbaijani-Muslims ethnically cleansing Armenians in their historical homeland of Artsakh!

[@caniblmolstr452]

Yeah yeah sure.... Where are the Palestinian Jews? The Moroccan ones? The Baghdad ones? Yes driven out of their homes or killed. Next, Palestine didn't exist

[@PeacefulLake-iu1cx]

Max armenian spreading lies like her ancestors spreading their legs to Ottoman Sultans 😘

[@filozofmessi]

Pan Turkism ❤️🇹🇷🇦🇿🇺🇿🇹🇲🇰🇿

[@jannyboe9365]

An islamic khalifate or sultanate will forever be a dream. Ethnic and religious differencies and political and ideoligal ideas will forever create frictions. Most of the islamic countries has never leaved the time of clan obidience, family dependancy or even feudal hegemony. Not one of the countries are democratic or have the faintest idea of what this means. They all exists upon the threat from Israel or any other supposed enemy. They all have long memories of internal fightings, blodshed and revenges keeping them forever divided.

[@owenm.1282]

Much of it has to do with colonial and contemporary influence from the west. If the west wasn't so arrogant in thinking that it can export its "superior" system on supposedly "inferior" non westerners worldwide there wouldn't be half the issues there is today. Here is just a snapshot of your arrogance, "Not one of the countries are democratic", little do you know that it is due to direct influences from the west and western backed dictatorships, autocracies, and kingdoms. Also you are wrong, turkey is just as much a "democratic" as the US and we see how that is working out for them and the US. You know just as much about democracy as a fart in the wind, because if you knew anything about democracy you would be able to admit that the broken system employed in the US and throughout most of Europe is anything but democracy, it is a system which works for the highest bidder (i.e. some hybrid between republic, aristocracy, and autocracy). Also, Sykes-Picot is what led to many of these "long memories of internal fightings" that you mentioned. Also, a system which you mention at the beginning (khilfa) which destroys these current colonial border is a dream for a reason, because it would end much of the deficiencies dealt by the Europeans via artificial borders so hopefully it will come to fruition. Also, one proven way throughout history for these countries to leave their systems of "clan obedience, family dependency or even feudal hegemony" is through a form of Islamic governance as this is the only uniting factor in many of these countries, democracy really only divides tribal societies (look at the caste system and broken politics of India due to "democracy" and tribalism). How your system of aristocracy amd macho-man world-police mentality is not reminiscent of "feudal hegemony" to you is beyond me. Keep on living in your decadent ivory tower or maybe bother to learn a thing or two about the world besides the propaganda your media spews. I am an American and was always bothered when people called westerners stupida (in particular Americans) but now I know why, its because Americans like to think they know about about the rest of the world and are too arrogant to admit that they are ignorant on most issues whilst non-westerners are willing to openly admit that they don't know it all (nor do they care to know all about the BS the west is pumping into peoples minds nowadays). Today more than ever westerners display peak ignorance and arrogance, they think they can bud in when their knowledge is surface level at best (buddy, I can tell that your knowledge is surface level and highly influenced by your media), its like they are the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect, where they know very little but are confident that they know it all. I admit that my knowledge is highly limited, but I can definitely tell that you are regurgitating someone else's talking point rather than coming up with your own views.

[@eljanrimsa5843]

I would say the biggest Islamic country Indonesia is a democracy, Malaysia as well

[@AliA-vo5ue]

Keep talking out your ass. Your western superiority complex is showing. The west traded their families for Liberalism. Look where it got you.

[@mukhtarolakunle8102]

That's what everyone said about the Arabs before Islam. Yet they were united along with many other ethnicities after Islam.

[@shoreshfathi3069]

Haha funny

[@YoulianosIV]

Egypt is not Arab, we are only Copts

[@omarhisham2463]

🤓👆

[@sarscov_3covid-214]

shhh we muslims saved the christain copts from the greeks and this is how you repay us? shut up your time will come

[@YoulianosIV]

@@omarhisham2463 What is this

[@soudino2723]

Imagine if the arabian peninsula was a united country

[@balabanasireti]

The Arabs would alm figgt against each other

[@soudino2723]

@balabanasireti that's not always the case. Look at the uae, for example

[@markgarrett3647]

It was already a nightmare the first time.

[@soudino2723]

@@markgarrett3647 for the non arabs

[@markgarrett3647]

@@soudino2723 Here's a thing about the Islamic Khalifat everyone's equally miserable even the Arabian men who were fresh meat for the near continuous Wars that the Profit Muhammad and the Caliph Umar waged against everybody.

[@mauriamazigh2964]

You forgot Native North African PAN-AMAZIGH , the Amazigh people (Berbers) will never accept an arab or turkic leader.

[@abdulrafay1664]

Pan islamism❤

[@AshkanPacino13]

lmao, pisslam is a cult

[@hmmm3210]

Based

[@OmarShtaiwi_]

You already know brother

[@OmarShtaiwi_]

@@AshkanPacino13 Very reminiscent of the best 4th grader roast.

[@HaloJumper7]

Afro-Asiatic People's Republic would been better

[@majidbineshgar7156]

Most Iranian civilians are not religious and do not want to have anything to do with Islam , you are oversimplifying the matter regarding Iran , the fact of the matter is ; most Iranians do not identify themselves with the so called " Islamic world" ,it is rather their ruling regime that seem to have such ambitions and it is actually one of the reasons therefore the Islamic Regime in Iran is so much detested by Iranian civil society .

[@balabanasireti]

I disagree

[@majidbineshgar7156]

@@balabanasireti Well , you could give your ( counter-) argument .

[@balabanasireti]

​@@majidbineshgar7156Nah, I doubt that you would write a good reply

[@MrThhg]

⁠@@majidbineshgar7156Zoroastrian comeback?

[@OrangeJohn]

@@majidbineshgar7156the shah was such a dick that everyone wonted him out

[@peterasp1968]

Why should it be saved ? It is in rude health.

[@marciamarquene5753]

😢c o e e horário de ontem foi só o valor da consulta de ontem foi o e e o e o

[@Mc3U]

Pan iranism : 😅

[@Sid0404]

🤮🤮

[@Mc3U]

@@Sid0404 I don't accept it , but it's better than pan islamism😅

[@marciamarquene5753]

V tú ir pro hospital aqui e o valor e o valor da taxa de e o e e horário da tarde toda semana passada ela

[@Qwerka]

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[@Kiano_East]

The title makes me wish it was Pan-Iranisim instead of Islamist’s so it could be bigger and leave Islam out of politics.

[@Shahanshah101]

Pan Iranism = Zoroastrianism

[@hero-gl4zy]

ماذا خسر العالم من انحطاط المسلمين ؟ 😢 What the world did lost because of Muslims' downfall? 😢

[@liptonmapper2543]

Nothing

[@L_the_II]

​@liptonmapper2543 the graduation gown origins are literally from an Islamic dress

[@Da__goat]

I mean removing Islam would easily save the region.

[@youamazing41]

Wrong

[@youamazing41]

Making islam rule again in the area will save the region

[@alajarbi]

Islam did bring golden age

[@nobodycares9556]

Umar Ibn Al-Khattāb (may Allah be pleased with him) said, “We are a people who Allah has honoured with Islam. And whenever we seek to be honoured through other than it, Allah will bring us humiliation.” Source: Al-Mustradrak of Al-Hākim (1/130) When the Muslims abandon nationalism as well as democracy/secularism by embracing Islam completely Only then will they be saved

[@LazyLaw-]

Exactly

[@sktt1488]

Delusion. 😊

[@DutchTunisian]

@@sktt1488atheism is delusion. 😊

[@balabanasireti]

I doubt it

[@LazyLaw-]

@@sktt1488 shut it buddy.

[@Beyonder1987]

United Caliphate republic from Morocco to Indonesia is a dream. It would make Muslim civilization great again

[@orboakin8074]

Keep on dreaming then. So far, the only Muslim country that even stands a chance at greatness is Turkey since they wisely embraced reforms and modernity while the rest of you abandoned such during the golden age of Islam and you continue to decline.

[@lucamckenn5932]

It would just increase the body count.

[@SuperBadadan]

More like a fucking nightmare

[@orboakin8074]

@@SuperBadadan Yes, for the Muslims. Let's just say throughout history, any major caliphate has benefitted them but for only a short span and in the long-run, it always fell apart due to infighting, economic, cultural and geographic issues. But mainly due to the fact that islam is meant to be a dominating force rather than a moral guide and this makes it incapable of adapting or changing when it has to, as other world religions do. Heck! during their golden age, their ruler, Harun al-Rashid, was making progress at reforming islam via Mutazilism and they were the pinnacle of scientific, religious, philosophical, economic and societal advancements, especially compared to Europe and Christendom but a backlash from ultra-orthodox sects and religious elites, stopped these reforms because it threatened their status and power. Islamic civilization began to regress after that. Thankfully, Turkey saw wisdom in reforms and is benefitting today because of it.

[@Beyonder1987]

@@orboakin8074 you fool. Much of Islamic golden age they were the most powerful civilisation. If the Ottomans survived WW1 then the Caliphate would still be here, probably manifested in a republic. Addition to that, oil would have been discovered. This would have made them even more wealthy. Today, oil is traded in dollars, if Ottomans exist it would have traded in its own currency that would have made it the most powerful in the world. There would be no Isreal in the Middle East. Middle East would be wealthier, stable and peaceful. United by similar culture, religion and history. Most Muslim countries would want to join it. It would have been great.

[@rod9829]

18:33 based

[@simulacrumpilot2777]

Greek aren't you? This kind of butthurt and racism usually only comes from you guys.

[@DutchTunisian]

🤡

[@balabanasireti]

based 🤓

[@SwePol]

Greek detected.

[@youngturk00]

i hope normal people learn that these racist murderers massacred millions of Turks and other Muslims between 1821-1923 in the balkans

[@CrisisDispenser]

The fuck is pan-islamist? Why not pan-iranist?

[@Harib_Al-Saq]

I shudder at the thought of a united Islamic superpower.

[@OrangeJohn]

Why

[@Harib_Al-Saq]

@@OrangeJohn Read some history kid.

[@Rynewulf]

Considering all the attempting unions and alliances over the last century, I bet it would last 3 years before imploding due to silly dictator shenanigans

[@balabanasireti]

It wouldn't even be Islamic if you look at what the politicians do

[@DutchTunisian]

@@porphyry17you are spreading lies and nonsense. We dont worship a pedo. Why are you so ignorant?

[@mapache-ehcapam]

Get rid of Islamic extremism.

[@porphyry17]

better idea: get rid of 1sl4m.

[@OrangeJohn]

@@porphyry17No

[@DutchTunisian]

Get rid of lies. There is no such thing as islamic extremism. You are either a muslim or not. Islam isnt extreme. If you are referring to i5i5 they are not muslims.

[@DutchTunisian]

@@porphyry17stop the hate in your heart ❤️

[@porphyry17]

@@DutchTunisian do you people think i h4t3 for no reason? corrupted legends: Dhul Qarnayn(rendition of Alexander Romance), 7 sleepers in a cave(5th century Christian legend) polytheist ritual: hajj, kaaba Zoroastrian borrowing: 5 prayers, hell description(pits of fire and chain bridge) plagiarised texts: any story he heard from the Jews and Christians he met, gnostic and synoptic gospels(Jesus created birds of clay from the infancy gospel of Thomas), syrian Christian poems badly structured: 114 uneven chapters on st00pid themes. it concerns more with some lame interactions between bedouins than speaking about pressing matters in relation to theology. 4:;157 is the only verse that tries to explain the crucifixion and it does so badly. more verses about "houri" theological errors: all knowing God but free will exists. "they worship the Messiah as God"and "they took the Messiah and Mary besides God" inconsistent theological system. "the Jews claiming Ezra(Ezdra or Osiris?) is the biological son of God" and so on. violence and discrimination verses: 9:29, 5:33, 8... that one with inflicting terror. anyway there are many. cult behavour: Muhammad privileges in regards to wealth and s3x. hadith telling you how to urinate like him. why is he the LAST prophet? why is the Shahada which is something that would make sense being said only on occasion, repeating in every prayer every day?

[@Techtalk2030]

Iran would be Pan-Persian or Pan-Iranic not pan-Islamic.

[@mahdyarsoroush5280]

ایرانیها بخاطر تعلق خاطر فاشیستی به فارس بودن یا ایرانی بودن دست به هیچ کشتار یا نسل کشی نزدن کاری که چندین بار ترکها انجام دادن عربها هم سابقه ی بهتری از ترکها نداشتن توی این موضوع پس واسه ایران همون پان اسلامیسم ترم مناسبیه

[@Skexal]

No Iran would be Iran, Pan-Persian or Pan-Iranic would mean there would need to be multiple existing states who are Persian and enjoin in the same or similar language, culture etc and that is not the case. Concepts like this would work with Africans, Anglo-saxons and Arabs for example not Iranians

[@Techtalk2030]

@@Skexal Tajikistan, Iran, north afghanistan, kurdistan, ossetia etc.. are all Persians and or Iranics. Learn some basic knowledge before you talk.

[@Techtalk2030]

@@Skexal not to mentiom the Persians in parts of uzbekistan and Persian gulf

[@suhelmallick]

there are arabs inside iran who ar suppressed@@Techtalk2030

[@ems4884]

The father of a collapsed civilization should be what the world learns from the past 120 years of the Islamic world.

[@RETmehh]

half truth, half bullsh*t

[@siegoloko7981]

Islame cant be saved

[@GadsdenTR]

Ziya Gökalp is Kurdish Talat Paşa is Gypsy Enver Paşa is Albanian Cemal Paşa is Greek Atatürk is Albanian And many more No one was a Turk. But they called themselves Turk Just like the Ameicans and thr British and nothing is wrong with that Arabs in americas called them selves Turk Armenians in Nazi Germany called themselves Turk But this a separate classification of a nationality Turkish people cant be part of the Turkic World or Turan State as its just a citizenship not a race in the Ottoman sense. Everyone can become a Turk At least before the Ottoman Empire dismantled

[@S.Solmazturk]

So many falsehoods. Gökalp was an ethnic Turk, you can easily reach to his relatives today and ask them. You can read his own letters too. Enver Paşa is Gagauz Turk. Cemal Paşa is an assimilated Circassian or Turk. Atatürk is 100% Turk, Kocacık Yörük to be specific. Also Arabs and Armenians didn't call themselves a Turk, they would consider that an insult. That silly theory, a small minority of Turkic nomads assimilating the 95% of the population is bs. Never happened in history and will never happen. Turks were absolute majority in central and eastern Anatolia after Alexios pulled most of the christians to the shores in 11th century. Also Turkish people are a part of Turkic world, the dominant power of it. Without Turkey there can't be a Turkic union.

[@GadsdenTR]

@@S.Solmazturk yes atatürk looks like uzbeks and khazaks %100 turk his fathers village isnt albanian and no one looks like him fr fr you must be telling the truth. Stop lying

[@S.Solmazturk]

@@GadsdenTR Oghuz Turks aren't Kıpçak or Karluk, their phenotypes are different. I can prove that village is Turkish. I know that area, I'm from near there. They are all Turkish and speak Turkish to this day. You are full of bs.

[@randomhuman5525]

@@GadsdenTR Tüm avrupa bir karışımdır. Hiç biri saf ırk değil. Hatta araplar farslar hintliler çinliler ruslar da çeşitli ırkların karışımından oluşuyor. Neden Türklerin saf ırk olması gerektiğini düşünüyorsunuz. Aptallıktan olabilir mi?

[@GadsdenTR]

@@S.Solmazturk so you are saying they being oghuz literally makes them look alike why doesnt each turk in turkey look different and Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan Turk isnt a race a nationality/ citizenship

[@AliHassan-hb1bn]

British empire was dirtier.

[@yusufhamittuman907]

İ think with pan-islamism.

[@iy2318]

the only way

[@EricTheActor805]

Total Balkanization

[@asryorumcu5208]

Nope, Middle Eastern countries mostly homogeneous. It's definitely won't work. And when they mix with each other, huge problems arise. Nobody wants each other.

[@EricTheActor805]

@@asryorumcu5208 The hypothetical scenario in which the former Ottoman Empire and European colonies were balkanized after World War I and decolonization presents an interesting perspective to consider. Balkanization, which refers to the fragmentation of larger entities into smaller, ethnically or culturally distinct regions or states, could have allowed for greater self-determination and the formation of nation-states based on shared identities and aspirations. This could have fostered a stronger sense of national pride and unity among diverse communities, potentially leading to more stable and harmonious societies. Balkanization could have facilitated local governance and decision-making, allowing communities to have a greater say in their own affairs. Smaller, more localized administrations have the potential to be more responsive to the needs and aspirations of the people, promoting effective governance and socio-economic development. Balkanization might have provided an opportunity for ethnic and cultural groups to maintain and celebrate their distinct identities, languages, and traditions. By granting autonomy to various regions, it could have safeguarded cultural diversity and allowed for the preservation of heritage, potentially fostering a more inclusive and tolerant society. Smaller, independent states created through balkanization might have had more control over their own resources and economic decision-making. This could have led to more equitable distribution of wealth and resources, as well as the development of tailored economic strategies that address local needs and priorities. Balkanization could have potentially reduced tensions and conflicts arising from the oppression or marginalization of certain groups within larger entities. By allowing different communities to have their own territories and governments, it might have mitigated inter-ethnic or inter-religious conflicts, promoting stability and peace.

[@RicardoBrineAYB]

Team Panturkoislamism 👇

[@PeacefulLake-iu1cx]

SEN NE ANLATIYON BE ABLA GÖZÜNÜ SEVEYİM BE ABİ

[@noir1923]

Im turkish and honestly turkic and iranian peoples should unite, not with arabs though.

[@iy2318]

why not with us?

[@noir1923]

the country would be too big and there would be ethnic clashes all the time. 2 proud peoples is enough for one country, cant handle 3 of them.@@iy2318

[@binderchannel9454]

Unfortunately, turkey is promoting fascism and racism in our region. Arab states too. Arabs see Islam as an Arabic identity and are focused on that vision. The point is their people are not part of this scheme and are totally unaware of what their governments are doing. Iran needs to talk to people of turk and Arab descent to enlighten them of what great plot they have been put in.

[@ayhankaracaoglu6845]

anti Turk tajik ajem detected. You owe this country iran to Turks and now egg gives advice to chicken.

[@Cartoonnetworkisamazing]

@@ayhankaracaoglu6845yeah but he also criticize Arabs so he’s not really « anti Turk » he’s just criticizing it

[@Sheikh_diane]

Looking at those comments makesme relize how stupid nationalism is

[@ghs89]

​@@Sheikh_diane nationalism >>>> religious identity

[@Sheikh_diane]

@@ghs89 Average IQ >>>> you 🗿

[@umutkiran3035]

Hajra Turan 🈴

[@AliHassan-hb1bn]

Ottoman empire was dirty for sure.

[@suhelmallick]

they kicked your shia ass in chaldiran. your impotent imams were protectorates of christian nations

[@crazychicken8290]

Islamic Khalifa

[@mikasaluvv]

Pan-Turkism is not considered 'islamic' like in the title. Turks and the turkic people are decreasingly abandoning the religion and the new generations will most likely wont consider themselves muslim nor will be open for a islamic country. As for myself i dont want to save islamic world, we will save our one and only state Turkey and protect the remaining beloved lands that our ancestors gave their life for.