When did the Middle East begin to Fall Apart? | History of the Middle East 1800-1820 - 5/21

[@JabzyJoe]

Part 4 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5S2p2WFiLdjhJI

[@death-istic9586]

Hi.

[@zhcultivator]

Hi there, please include your sources in your videos

[@zhcultivator]

please put sources in the videoes you make if possible

[@susanthejew6351]

for the middle east to fall apart it had to be a prosperous place where conflict was something of the past... this never ever happened in the middle east it's always has and will be a shithole inhabited by sand apes who look like humans but act like animals from 600AD and onward it's been the retarded cousin we all wish would die already because he's embaricing to the rest of the fam :) sorry not sorry

[@NoHandles333]

Please make a playlist for the Middle East series of videos.

[@geraldmeehan8942]

I am relatively new to this channel and really find it entertaining, interesting and informative. Your maps are excellent in that they depict political control rather than just international borders. Keep the videos coming and keep up the good work!

[@korakys]

I spy that this has just changed from a 10 part series to 15 parts! Can't say I'm too surprised, there is a lot of history to cover after all.

[@SolarpunkEnjoyer]

21 now

[@ThatSlowTypingGuy]

20:14 "Once again, just to re-iterate, these were not nations, these were all provinces of the same empire." This makes some of the crazier stuff in Battletech lore look positively sane.

[@lipingrahman6648]

The Ottoman Empire at this point was like a rotten tooth. Falling apart but standing and causing much pain. That it survived to be destroyed in WWI is nothing short of a miracle.

[@theArab__]

More then a miracle it’s because European powers deliberately acted to keep it together, as its weak authority benefitted European ambitions in the area, if it had collapsed and was replaced by other stable and modernizing states it would have caused more trouble for them.

[@susanthejew6351]

the ottoman empire at any point was like a rotten tooth* there fixed your sentence

[@AY-qz3pu]

​@@susanthejew6351lol u must be butt hurt over an empire to make a comment like that lol. Didn't know they were that great

[@FodaseNaoLigo]

Average bot​@@susanthejew6351

[@ancientragerv2561]

@@susanthejew6351either lepanto or 1683 were the turning point

[@nplt8263]

I love the subtly increasing number of parts each time a video is posted

[@justinianthegreat1444]

Ottoman politics is so reminiscent of Byzantine politics without the Generals proclaiming themselves as Emperors

[@عليياسر-ذ5ب]

Romans: No

[@zhcultivator]

that's very fitting lol 😂

[@AmritDillon]

​@@عليياسر-ذ5بbyzantines are Romans

[@liphardusmagus5970]

Well they tried to claim the title of roman emperor so it is kinda fitting

[@Critt_Ari]

they ruled to the same land and, with some exceptions, to the same people in the end. furthermore, their governing mechanisms when they shifted from the murad the hudavendigar's "Ottoman State" to Mehmed the conqueror's "Ottoman Empire" were mostly reformed from the old systems of Murad to Mehmed's new systems which he based them on the byzantine and simply the roman system of governance as he believed this kind of system would be a need for an empire that would strech over 3 continents.

[@gabri770]

These videos are a gem one after another! As an Albanian, finding more and more information like this, it is astonishing to find out that albanians went really quickly, from being all around the Mediterranean sea and more being part of the Ottoman Empire, to isolated in 28.000km2 during communism in less than 50 years.

[@puraLusa]

Isn't it weird that history has these harsh changes withing generations time-line? I mean 50 years is nothing- it's grandpa to grandson transformation!

[@mehmetfatihcetin5932]

Thse were muslim albanians though

[@petrospetromixos6962]

Were they Albanians though? At that time it could be just a mix of Ottoman muslims that werent Turks, hell the term Albanian is even used for Serbian mersenaries

[@mehmetfatihcetin5932]

@@petrospetromixos6962 idk maybe muslim balkan people.

[@buniart3779]

​@petrospetromixos6962 the ottomans had proper records for their paid soliders and workers of their empire. So them saying the soliders were albanian, its because they were. Also this can be proven by the large amout of albanians, which spoke and identified as albanian in Egypt and other parts of the ottoman empire. You try to devalue their work? Or remove credit from them?

[@DirkusTurkess]

"Damned Muslims, they ruined Islam!" - Muslim Groundskeeper Willy

[@anthonyruby2668]

LOVED IT!!! I remember the ONLY time hearing about The Ottoman Empire during the Napoleonic Wars was a 90s Risk computer game with a regional Historical Strategy Campaign mode

[@MausOfTheHouse]

As a Georgian these series have made me realise just how important the slave trade was to the ME/NA

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

It was but this has been suppressed to not showcase the brutality of other slave trade other than Atlantic one

[@MausOfTheHouse]

@@ShubhamMishrabro Both were bad.

[@عليياسر-ذ5ب]

​@@MausOfTheHouseBritain: No, try again

[@oguzkaganonder1331]

@@ShubhamMishrabro Atlantic slave trade was the most cruel one in fact you can't even accept the İslamic slavery as ''slavery'' compared to Chattel slavery, that was the most wicked and evil form of slavery

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

@@oguzkaganonder1331 it doesn't matter which was more cruel. What matters is which one is hidden more which was cruel too. And slave trade of Africa and middle east are hidden

[@1962brennan]

I put this on as background and had to stop what I was doing. In fact when it's done I'm going to have to listen to it again this is an excellent program

[@marcusmenalucas7224]

Very Detailed Information And A GREAT Presentation !

[@jonathanrotem251]

The Middle East was the centre of the world's economy, linking Europe to South & East Asia, and giving it control over the trade routes. The dicovery of the Americas changed that, and gave the West an ever increasing advantage over the Middle East. Eventually, the West won. The rest is just details.

[@AssyrianFire]

Can’t wait for a discussion of Badr Khan next episode!

[@JabzyJoe]

With a name like Assyrian Fire I'm sure you know about the massacres already.

[@nourerrahmanebrahmia4035]

Would be interesting to talk more about Algerian political system at this time , Jean Jacques Rousseau the philosopher of the western enlightenment praised it, as it was one of the first modern republics in the world (although it was somehow an Islamic military republic) it was still recognised as such by the likes of Louis 14 of France and Montesquieu. I think no Islamic power of the time had a quasi democratic system like Algiers. PS: Never said Algiers was not Ottoman at this point, however it still was an autonomous state and its rulers of foreign origins identified themselves as Algerian politically. that's why it's also called "Ottoman Algeria"

[@puraLusa]

Wasn't the rulling class fortune based on slave trade? Not very democratic nor enlightened if the economic driving force is enslavement.

[@newguy8288]

@@puraLusawell the US was considered a revolutionary republic in its inception, and well, they practiced slavery.

[@thadsul]

​@puraLusa all western european powers in the 17th and 18th century had slavery as an economic basis in their colonies, but no one denies their enlightenment. The US keeps basically the same democratic system since it's independence, and they also kept slavery for almost a century

[@nourerrahmanebrahmia4035]

@@puraLusa Algiers is an Islamic version of the state of the Knights hospitaller of Rhodes, the pirate Barbarossa brothers created this state for a military purpose, fight against the Spanish empire, so slave trade and naval spoils and tribute were a primary source of income yet agriculture and trade did take a significant part in this state economy, in fact the crisis of the 19th century and the revolts happened because of the decline in those fields, and regarding trade it was one of the main causes of the french colonisation, check about the Jewish brothers bacri and bushnach case with the debts of the Algerian wheat supplies to Napoleonic France.

[@mint8648]

Source?

[@Nicolas-hh5cp]

Thanks for all the work you put in these videos mate

[@oslonorway547]

If the British pass by your farm, then it's a foregone conclusion. Your cows will turn on the goats, and suddenly certain sheep would consider themselves better than other sheep because they have more wool or produced less milk or whatever. 😅

[@BOZ_11]

old Iraqi saying: if two fish fight in the Tigris, the British are behind it

[@NP3GA]

Not really relevant in that case. They seem to mostly slither their way into existing conflicts than creating new ones

[@KelticStingray]

Arabs always love to blame their issues on foreigners rather than take a good long look at their barbaric warlord culture.

[@zhcultivator]

haha very funny and original

[@mudra5114]

Pure bullshit.

[@ignatiuscianci4440]

Ottoman new army during the Selim the III completely recruited from Anatolia, west of Euphrates. This situation also explains Turkey's borders and internal conflicts.

[@csx3180]

Would love an episode on north africa, especially on morocco and how it missed its chance to become a great power again and industralize in the 18th-19th centuries letting its european neighbors create a technological gap that ultimately led to it not being able to defend its massive precolonial territories and also putting it in debt in a desperate attempt to modernize making things worse

[@atlanticstate9602]

Agree

[@arome5901]

Loved your china series and this one. Keep up the work hopefully you can make one about mesoamerica

[@m.a.9571]

Man this type of content is peak imo

[@Ciech_mate]

I have watched loads of your videos now, I really wish you could do something about Poland Lithuania in such detail!

[@gabekruse8403]

Thank you for the interesting history!

[@unbabunga229]

When Mohammed was born, until then it was the land of Greek, Persian and Byzantine culture

[@oppionatedindividual8256]

And Jewish.

[@rossyuill5842]

This is mesmerising it’s like a time machine in to the past so interesting!! You just got a very impressed new subscriber 👏👏

[@shkodra1505]

man we Albanians , literally cursed to bring chaos wherever we go

[@abdullahshahrani9427]

The beginning of muhammed ali's campaign in arabia was difficult. Tuson pasha was defeated in the battle of wadi safra. The wahhabis didn't exploit this and the campaign was resumed until the battle of basl where the saudis where defeated by muhammed ali himself commanding. Some bedouin tribes defected with promises of gold. The siege of diriyah was mentioned in the video. However another wahhabi holdout was in the south called asir. The south was mountainous and much more populated and was able to wage a guerrilla war against muhammed ali's troops. Ali was able to capture and and kill many leaders but the resistance persisted until peace was agreed and the emirate of asir was established and was allied to the second saudi state in nejd. This asir state later allied itself with muhammed ali's descendants againts the ottomans but was destroyed by the turks in 1870s. The third saudi state reunited most regions of the first in modern saudi arabia between 1902 and 1932.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

This was nothing compared to his epic battles with Joe Frazier, though…

[@animeroom2399]

Algeria would also face civil war known as the Darqaoua uprising which was supported by foreign nations and even gained some officials support such as the bey of Oran which caused unrest and suspicion in its final years and have weakened it alot both internally and externally. Also Ali khodja wasn't the First Algerian dey, other ones such as Baba Ali Chaouch and Mohemed Ben Othman were also Algerians born in Algiers even Hassan pasha was half Algerian with his mother being Algerian.

[@exploringtheplanetsn]

People blame the today’s Middle East’s problem on the French and British division of land. But I doubt it really would have changed the amount of violence and bloodshed that region always experienced

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

you have to recognize that 18th century world as a whole is violent place so saying that we didnt have to with the violence after 19th problems after border drawings its not our problem its their inherit problem so we are not guilty is not a good argument

[@samuall-gl4vt]

Well they funded and supported many rebellions and after ww1 the borders they drew were intentionally drawn to ensure continuous civil wars and border fights amidst the rising ntionalistic sentiments

[@Weedwizard600]

Muhammad Ali heavyweight champ and defender of Egypt very cool man really could do it all

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Floated like a butterfly, stung like a very, very sharp sword.

[@Weedwizard600]

@@grahamstrouse1165 classic Ali saying right before invading Damascus

[@nagillim7915]

I know this is reductive and far too simplistic, but it really does sound like the religious imperative in Islam for absolute rulers is the Middle East's greatest weakness. When you have so many competing factions all trying to be the one person who gets to be in power, despite the fact he'll never be accepted by all of the other factions, unity and prosperity is pretty much impossible. One that basis it's more surprising the Islamic Golden Age happened than that it ended. I guess the rest of humanity is lucky that Muhammed didn't instruct his followers to implement corporatism or oligarchy or some other form of rule by coalition and went the autocracy route, thereby dooming them to factional in-fighting for centuries after the deaths of his direct inheritors.

[@samuall-gl4vt]

This is a ridiculous claim in my opinion. The reasons the islamic empires fell are the same reasons for the fall of any empire : weak leadership leading to new usurpers, wether governors or officiers et, to rebell or form their own sepratist state, oppurtinist inciting civil strife, corruption.. Etc etc. Relegion or not it's almost the same every time

[@abhyudayasinhchauhan6499]

Very informative❤❤

[@tombogan03884]

Read some history. The first recorded battles, Hattin, and Kadesh, happened right there. The Eurasian land mass has never been together They have been at each others throats since the beginning of civilization.

[@kitstorm7637]

i'm very exited to get to the wwI portion of this series

[@gerharddeusser9103]

And today they are telling us that islam means peace and that everything was peaceful until europeans arrived..... 😇

[@AY-qz3pu]

Nope only liberals say that islam is violent when it needs to be and peacful when it needs to be. Islam is more than "peace"

[@damaskhaoula4777]

Oh as if europe was a peaceful place it was as bloodiest as the middel east or worst you people have the 100 years war what wars then that , it is a fact muslims were strong when they were united

[@oppionatedindividual8256]

@@damaskhaoula4777 and Europeans were and remain strong divided. I seem to remember a time where 90% of Muslims were ruled by three Europeans countries? 🇬🇧( more than France) 🇫🇷( a lot)🇮🇹(Libya, Eritrea, Somalia) 🇳🇱 (Indonesia)

[@abdullahanwer9987]

wow. well done on an awesome video!!!

[@joshuajwars4271]

Selim 3 gets thrown out and succeeded by Mustafa 4 except there's a surprise turned out Mahmoud later called as Mahmoud 2 hid in the cabinets as Mustafa 4 used the guards to kill Selim 3 but missed Mahmoud due to him not being placed in the target list Turkish slave soldiers committed the biggest blunder in history.

[@pootmcgoot5458]

sykes picot was the sudden factor

[@thispodcastisnotimportant6667]

Can't find anything about Bashir Shihab II being a secret Christian it seems he was openly Christian. His father was a secret Christian though.

[@maliktemoor2701]

Sir you don't talk about omani sultanate colonial empire in Africa ?

[@JabzyJoe]

Next couple episodes its discussed

[@maliktemoor2701]

@@JabzyJoe thankx plz talk on various smaller Arab states Which exist in that time

[@Claribelle401]

To put it bluntly, one of Africa 's greatest mistake was to trust and aligned themselves with Arabs/Muslim

[@joynal_dev]

Hi, do you upload these on any other audio only platforms? more would listen to these episodes. Also, is it possible to have these as background music free on patreon or anywhere else?

[@maxt-pi5ky]

Excellent video

[@bakonajm1136]

please do a video on Kurdish history

[@PeterLee-zn3jl]

Bloodthirsty mercenaries and clan centric rivalries... Oo la la

[@nathanielzarny1176]

Geez albania is a tiny country, how do so many slave soldiers come from there to rule places with populations so much larger than their own?

[@theOrionsarms]

Well not slave soldiers, but mostly mercenary, and also Albanian womens have many children in those times, so didn't matter that five boys from the same family leave the country and only two returns, those two were rich (according with local standards), and before died aford to have four wife's each and have 20 children each, half of the children were men and become mercenary, and the women married with some surviving mercenary that return from a far away campaign. So actually was a way of life that make sense, as long is a decaying empire near by, that needs mercenary from a poorer and hard-core provincial region.

[@forgotten1s]

Muhammad Ali!!! I cant think of anything besides the boxer 😫

[@russianbot8423]

Whoever was to blame... thank you

[@nagillim7915]

GRR Martin couldn't write this level of backstabbing and betrayal...

[@africandawahrevival]

More videos about wahabis please, great video 👍

[@aron7134]

And he did all this while being heavyweight champ?

[@Terinije]

Note to self, don't accept invitations to feasts.

[@tarharqataseti9261]

The Ottomans, Khazars and the Aishmalites in no particular order!!

[@nicbahtin4774]

1:54 lol that a big hat

[@vasiliualexandru4725]

In all reality it is the Ottoman empire who wiped Islam

[@AhmedHussein-sp9tq]

actually , as an Egyptian , I'm starting to believe in this statement

[@bosbanon3452]

The Arab has lose their Indian ocean trade route to Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, and south Philippines

[@HelloimthisguyYT]

The ottomans were in decline pretty much since their peak, i guess they made too many powerful enemies

[@otten5666]

Ofcourse the decline comes right after the peak. If there is no decline the peak is not reached.

[@westrim]

​@@otten5666 I mean, you can have plateaus and mountain ranges.

[@HelloimthisguyYT]

@@otten5666 I meant they didn’t stay at their peak for long and became real reliant on anglo-frankish attempts to sustain the status quo real fast after losing tonnes of Balkan land

[@yungsteaksauceakalilwasher6571]

​@@HelloimthisguyYTI would say that 400 years of unquestionable dominance over the Balkans is pretty long

[@HelloimthisguyYT]

@@yungsteaksauceakalilwasher6571 their balkan peak was in the early to mid 1500s and they started losing Balkan lands in the late 1500s and significantly in the late 1600s to austria

[@oh_rhythm]

the visual aspect is lacking. it's really hard to keep track and actually understand what's being said without visual aid.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

So wait, when was Muhammed Ali in Albania? Was this before or after the Thriller in Manila?

[@LordJudgement1818]

It's been like this for centuries

[@puraLusa]

Yup just that present times there are less assassinations.

[@AY-qz3pu]

Not under ottomans and others

[@puraLusa]

@@AY-qz3pu under the ottomans internal fighting for power in each province made as unstable as if each province was it's own country.

[@AY-qz3pu]

@@puraLusa I understand but that's nothing like how the middle east is today

[@puraLusa]

@@AY-qz3pu half of the violence (like other places) wasn't reported, abject poverty was generally accepted by the rulling class, due to the block to the printing press iliteracy was the norm, slavery was an accepted business. The difference is that there was no internacional standard to compare and there was no internet. The violence and suffering was still there. But hey, let's pretend for the sake of narratives 😂

[@VergiliosSpatulas]

When Islam became a thing.

[@osmanhazan1499]

Roman empire entered the chat

[@AY-qz3pu]

Cry pagan

[@ikenwabufo8003]

When will there ever be peace in this region? None then and none till now....is it the water, the air or the people?????

[@vanmars5718]

The middle east was always doomed to fell apart. Lands taken by christians, with major ancient indigenous Christian societies in it, always ruled by a big empire without ever having the chance to develop a unique national characteristic amd to adapt the political system of the Western countries which could provide a stable political/social life. The Christian states that were liberated from the Ottomans could succeed in a greater level (bad luck with thr socialistic period) since they had a national unique identity amd adopted the Western political system while thr Arabs couldn't easily done neither of these. Only in our days some Arab countries finally could develop a unique national identity, such as Egypt and been a bit more stable...

[@Claribelle401]

Egypt is not an Arab country. It is occupied by Arabs who has confiscated the history, achievements, and culture as their own.

[@podcastler]

Congratulations to the Ottomans for keeping such a geography stable for so many years

[@thegreatharborshipofbentus3567]

With our "gentle" loving hand, yes:)

[@alexisgateley230]

Lengthy Ottoman occupation led to the decline of Arab states and civilization.

[@89volvowithlazers]

This period of the ottoman empire reminds me of the Austro Hungarian state just more sanguine and even more identity policy, watched 3 or 4 of your 1600 to 20th Century Africa and Middle East. Wild stuff the narrative needs to change fer sure

[@NikephorosCaesar]

When the Arabs came out of the desert

[@N1cat0r17]

You mean when Alexander marched his army towards Anatolia

[@mu0FFpu0FF]

As always, they're the victims😂

[@Lisa-t1n7l]

I'll bet the Mongols did a lot of damage. But you never hear about that.

[@Ron-n4j1l]

When was it together?

[@lenOwOo]

These guy are such a good boy. . They didn't let the girls eat the biohazard

[@jacktran7024]

Started in 1492 when columbus discovered america and later others found ways around the M.E. to get to India.

[@ImranSharif-hv6mn]

Thank God we didn’t have to deal with middle eastern shenanigans and ottoman occupation here in Morocco. Kinda interesting since we had our own empire which was in decline and if we didn’t piss of the French by supporting emir abdelkader and declaring war on them we would probably be an empire to this day. Fun fact Morocco was the only African kingdom/country/empire to have a steam navy and modern military in the 1800s.

[@rycolligan]

TL;DR: Literally everyone.

[@dawnfire82]

Muslims. Muslims tore the Islamic world apart. Of the first four caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali), three died violently (Umar, Uthman, and Ali). Two of these (Uthman and Ali) were killed by other Muslims (including a son of the first caliph) and one (Umar) by a slave in revenge for oppression.

[@suicasu3514]

What do you expect from an animalistic religion

[@GetNuked25]

@@suicasu3514Based

[@Grenadier311]

Don't forget the Mongols.

[@عليياسر-ذ5ب]

Tell me that you cannot read history without saying that the European Berbers remain Berbers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kaifxaif9502]

As if europaean didn't slaughter each others in ww1 ww2,30 years wars etc

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

amazing just how brutal and reliant on slave trade these creatures were so late ,well today as well

[@yungsteaksauceakalilwasher6571]

You are romanian

[@puraLusa]

​@@yungsteaksauceakalilwasher6571comentator nationality makes zero diference. Until the international trade of slaves was banned a lot of powerful people were rich cause of slave trade as it was a fast way to make fast money.

[@mint8648]

They didn’t rely on agricultural slavery as much as household slavery, unlike european colonies

[@puraLusa]

@@mint8648 mith. Galleys for example.

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

It continued till 20th century

[@bosbanon3452]

So it is Ibrahim Pasha who betrayed bdullah bin Saud

[@eliasjak]

We Moroccans we never accepted to be ruled from the outside of our kingdom

[@leme5639]

but but but only US had Slaves sarcasm

[@Grenadier311]

One could say that the Mongols dismembered classical Islamic civilization centuries earlier.

[@me_12-vw1vi]

not really. ottomans inherited from the last abbasid patriarch and reunited the lands. the mongols invasion was a wake up call to people of the time who were too comfortable with their numerous small divided states until city walls collapsed. the early ottoman era was impressive with taking Constantinople and pushing through europe, reuniting iraq with egypt and syria and advancing towards algeria. some people might even be grateful for mongols invasion because of the victories that came for islam after the first mongol defeat in syria

[@Grenadier311]

@@me_12-vw1vi Excellent points. The extra militarization of Islamic countries adjusting to the Mongols opened doors for greater glory. The loss of Baghdad is a sad tale, though.

[@mna7308]

In ottaman era they where we'll respected now they're like dogz to west

[@Noel-i9r]

Jabzy love your vlogs. Please consider doing the Assyrian, Armenian, Greek and Pontic Christian genocide during the 1st world was at the hands of the barberous Turk's. It will take a man like you to shed light on the truth about the last hurrah of the ottomans

[@alejandromaldonado6159]

It's the Byzantines fault for allowing the Turks into Anatolia in the first place

[@Noel-i9r]

@@alejandromaldonado6159 They didn't allow them in brother, They fought countless battles with Manizkert being the final one. The couda shoulda argument don't work, not with genocide the final outcome. Anyway many ancestors of the Byzantines were caught up in it

[@AY-qz3pu]

​@@Noel-i9rwasn't a Genocide

[@Noel-i9r]

@@AY-qz3pu your obviously Turkish, Azerbaijani, or from some islamic country that was been brainwashed to the point that you don't even know about history that is little over 100 years old. YES THERE WAS THREE GENOCIDES inflicted by the young Turks that hated any minority in their country, including Kurds. Why or how did the Armenian population drop from 5.6 million to 3.9 million in three years? Come on Einstein tell me, how did the pontic Christians of the black sea disappear by 1922, and Greek and Turkish Christians almost fall by 90% in four years. Yes there was a religious exchange but that only accounts for 30% of the Christian population of the Area that was their land as the Seljuk Turk's ran from the cumin and Mongols and left your ancient home in the Caspian sea area and invaded Anatolia in the mid 10th century. Erdogen is not a sultan, he is an animal and Kamal will be turning in his grave because of this monster. But just like the ottomans, erdogen will get what's coming to him soon. My advice to you is stop reading the Qur'an and hadiths and start learning the true history of your people and show some understanding and moral forgiveness for what you done

[@UlyssesJonah]

In 1:38 you say Napoleon besieged Jaffa but it's actually Acre isn't it

[@JabzyJoe]

No he sieged Jaffa as well, in early March 1799.

[@UlyssesJonah]

@@JabzyJoe thanks for the fast reply i wasn’t sure

[@davasaurthereal4678]

Take a shot for every time you hear ‘Pasha’ (don’t)

[@paulszymanski2513]

Colonialism tipped the scales of power.

[@icarus372]

Heres the thing. It was always falling apart chief.

[@puraLusa]

With the amount of internal power grabs and rebelion - its a miracle it lasted so long.

[@mint8648]

⁠@@puraLusathe ottoman system was far more stable and centralized than european empires though

[@BeedrillYanyan]

Maybe in the beginning, when Europe was still filled with feudal kingdoms. But whereas the Europeans centralized more and more throughout the centuries, the Ottomans did the opposite.

[@GetNuked25]

@@puraLusamiracle?

[@GetNuked25]

@@mint8648centralized on b*rbarianism? yes

[@harukrentz435]

Simply answer: The Ottoman. Notice that no world reknown scientist came out of muslims world after they took over?

[@vadertrap6535]

I stand by my thesis that its always the damn brits and french

[@CivilizedWasteland]

Me, I did it.

[@peterasp1968]

After Iran fell in 642 AD

[@AmrGamerYT]

1:24 and 3 years and France kicked out

[@pierce7992]

I mean the ottomans army was powerful but the government was shit it fell apart from the inside out

[@AY-qz3pu]

So how did it exist for so long then?

[@pierce7992]

@@AY-qz3pu 600 years roughly

[@AY-qz3pu]

@@pierce7992 which is quite long especially the fact when they were facing multiple rivals at each front let alone internal problems

[@AY-qz3pu]

@@pierce7992 also it only dissolved 100 years ago

[@westrim]

I'd say the Middle East began falling apart sometime during the Neolithic.

[@icarus372]

Trueeeee

[@mastermokond2633]

Westoid

[@icarus372]

@@mastermokond2633 bro it's a joke, Europe only achieved peace like 80 years ago, and still we have conflicts break out

[@SwingAxleLover]

@@mastermokond2633 Imagine thinking this is an insult

[@jaif7327]

@@mastermokond2633that meant to be an insult ?

[@bold810]

The better question is to ask when it make sense for it to ever fit together? Ask yourselves- "If we were Energy-Sufficient, would ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS CARE ABOUT SUCH THOROUGHLY AWFUL PEOPLE AS ALL SUCH OVER THERE? YOU SURE??" Renewable energy saves more innocent lives that democracy.

[@mastermokond2633]

English plz, for god sake.

[@levilastun829]

Only the nuclear energy has the possibility to replace the dirty coal, oil and gas energy. But currently it's unpopular in some western states

[@bold810]

@@mastermokond2633 ys, meester.

[@bold810]

@@levilastun829 Are you sure you don't mean "Some" States, right?

[@tariqrahman6918]

Istanbul mate.

[@abelsonkalu9862]

The question is why middle east is begin to fall apart , the answer is not far fetched., But you are very intimidated to agree that your religious bigotry politics is paying back and have started to crumble unchallenged.

[@Noel-i9r]

Jabzy I stupidly asked you to look at doing a blog on the Turkish genocide of the Assyrian Armenian and Greek peoples. But I recently found out that your Muslim hence there's no hope of you doing such a true sad story but I will still watch your blogs because I like them

[@JabzyJoe]

Who said I was Muslim ha?

[@Noel-i9r]

@@JabzyJoe someone on line it wouldn't matter what you were but as an Irishman with Armenian blood I hoped someone would try to tell the truth about the young Turks and what they did

[@JabzyJoe]

@@Noel-i9r well it will be covered just not in this period. It's still a 100 years before that. And no. I'm not Muslim.

[@Noel-i9r]

@@JabzyJoe Hallelujah,lol

[@johnsonsmith3421]

When the British came in

[@Vlain-hc5sb]

Yeah, the (((Anglo-Saxons)))....

[@mudra5114]

...they improved the place.

[@johnsonsmith3421]

@@mudra5114 you a Hindu or a Jew 😂

[@Vlain-hc5sb]

@@mudra5114 they filled it with jews

[@Aristocles22]

I think the real lesson is this: that war between the ERE and Persia in the early 600s really messed the world up. If not for that, Islam wouldn't have been an issue, as either empire could have snuffed it out like a candle had they not beaten each other to the verge of death in that 26 year conflict. Like it or not, Islam is terrible for anything resembling orderly government, or centralization. Case in point, all four of the first Caliphs (the "Rashidun") were assassinated, Islam itself broke into rival, mutually exclusive factions after just a few decades, various Islam empires rose and fell over the same territory with ridiculous frequency (hence the names of various dynasties to describe regions instead of stable governments, such as the Samanids or the Timurids), and even the Ottomans were highly decentralized; Egypt was basically an independent ally of the empire for at least half of the Ottoman Empire's existence, sometimes with more military might than the Ottoman Sultan himself, and the bizarre ad hoc ways of building their large but hideously undertrained and badly equipped armies never stood up to any European state larger than, say, Romania. Only the Janisseries- the very best the Ottomans had- were a match for the standard European soldier, and then, barely so. And most of those Janisseries were Europeans themselves, taken as slaves as boys and subject to all sorts of depredations. Turkey today should be broken up, the Turks evacuated from Constantinople, Ionia, Pontus, and Cyprus, the Kurds given their own state, and not only should the Armenians be given an apology for the genocide, but they should get their old territory back, including Mount Ararat. If not for Turkey being in NATO, this would be easy to do, given how basically everyone in the region hates their guts and the only reason NATO wants them is due to their control of the Bosphorous strait, being too important to pass up as it helped us contain Russia and the USSR before that. I'm just afraid they'd blow up the Hagia Sophia before letting it be restored to its rightful status as a church.

[@logangustavson]

Found the Greek

[@wingedvictory8694]

i think you are too radical

[@Aristocles22]

@@wingedvictory8694 Was it radical for the Ottoman Empire to be dismantled? Was it radical for the USSR to be taken apart? This would be like that one more time, just one level down, in the case of Turkey being taken apart, just as those countries were. If anything, it's just a completion of what the allies were planning to do in the early 1920s. If nothing else, Cyprus should be reunited under the Greek majority, the Turkish soldiers should be pulled out, and Armenia should get its sacred mountain and an apology. And for the record, I'm Italian-American.

[@matthew7027]

@@Aristocles22 italian american. now we know how so dull.

[@Aristocles22]

@@matthew7027 No one thinks of Italian-Americans as dull. That's more of a WASP stereotype. Croquet mallets and sweaters over button-up shirts.

[@barryirlandi4217]

When they introduced nationalism and Zionist colonialism

[@timothymatthews6458]

No. Watch the video again.

[@me_12-vw1vi]

@@timothymatthews6458no he’s right. napoleon invaded egypt and it seems only the morrocan dude was concerned with it and considered it a non muslim invasion of a muslim land while others were fighting each other because they didn’t like how this guy sounds and that guy looks. if they had set their differences aside for a while and fought the french and spanish navy harder and resisted british subversion instead of ganging up on “wahabism” the region wouldn’t have ended up like how it is today.

[@kral16643]

Arabs if they can't Arabize other groups anymore:😢

[@alejandromaldonado6159]

​@@me_12-vw1viHistorically people rather fight those they can understand rather than a complete foriegner