How Cyberpunk Edgerunners Succeeds Where 2077 Failed

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[@carljohnson6183]

aww hell nah man

[@proudherouser4069]

you could say that over the course of edgerunners, David became a... synthetic man

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

You could say he's special.

[@hunterlord101]

I like to think that the reason behind the vehicles flipping around wildly in Edgerunners is a cheeky nod to how bad the physics were when 2077 had just came out

[@aryabratsahoo7474]

Maine also says a line that references the cop system.

[@miragebarrage9748]

@@aryabratsahoo7474 what cop system?

[@aryabratsahoo7474]

@@miragebarrage9748 "these cops seem like they're coming out of thin air."

[@delugesofgrandeur]

@@aryabratsahoo7474 Pretty sure Mirage was being sarcastic.

[@paydn202]

@@delugesofgrandeur pretty sure that flew right over your head

[@iambrando8342]

One of my main gripes with the game was our relationship with Jackie. His death was meant to make us sad but we didn’t get to interact with him for any significant amount of time. It would’ve had a lot more impact if we didn’t have the montage and his death was closer to the middle of the campaign

[@iattacku2773]

Honestly speaking I think Jackie was meant to be your buddy throughout the game originally but once Keanu got on board they changed it

[@mariobadia4553]

@@iattacku2773 that Montage basically confirms it

[@jeff-nz3ij]

@@iattacku2773 why do people still spin this fake news lmao? the story was set in stone before keanu even joined

[@iambrando8342]

@@iattacku2773 yes I can definitely see that. Hell Jackie’s funeral was probably one of the last quests they worked on

[@isakisak9989]

Yes the trailers and promos made him seem so important then i play the game, then he dies and i feel nothing, i don't know this guy at all.

[@ZontarDow]

"I guess it comes with the territory" It's TRIGGER, the fact that they didn't end the climax of the series with a massive space battle was them holding back.

[@user-mz9xo3hx1h]

I don't think Adam smasher being overpowered in the anime is bad writing in fact it's more accurate to the lore of his character than the game was

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

I suppose you could justify it by Adam being more used to his body because of decades of use, where as David had just put on the cyber skeleton and wasn’t trained. By the time you face Adam in the game your V should be a fully cybered up walking killing machine, so it’s not like you are a normal guy.

[@kudo7821]

@@mrmagoo-i2l but V is also pretty much half-dead by that point, barely can even keep themselves upright, so it still doesn't make sense (unless you gave Johnny control). Even with that, V's still nowhere near as cybered up as Smasher.

[@Ergeniz]

@@kudo7821 What I don't understand is why Adam doesn't suffer from cyberpsychosis despite being more heavily modified than anyone we see and for such a long length of time.

[@gageriddle1681]

@@Ergeniz more of a fan theory than fact, but you could argue arasaka have him pumped up with drugs or some experimental immunosuppressant implant... tho tbf it could just be an issue of Cdpr making him MUCH more cyborg by 2077... while by 2020 and even the red era of 2045 he is more 50 50 rather than LITTERALLY 97% CYBERNETIC

[@DisplayLine6.13.9]

@@Ergeniz If you read the description of cyberpsychosis from the rule book shown in the video. It explains that it does not necessarily manifest as a manic killing spree. It's rather a loss of self, and a increase in usually undesirable characteristics. So essentially Adam is a cyber psycho he just happens to have a job. Or at least that's the simplest functioning explanation. Cyberpsychosis is more complicated than that but... who cares right ?

[@renardfou594]

For the record, when Takemura and V are attacked at the start of ACT 2, those are not chromed-out nomads, its an Arasaka killsquad

[@MenrvaS]

Yep, if V has Corpo background, they will confirm that they saw these assassins before.

[@Zennethe]

This guy doesn't care enough to review something he understands when it gets in the way of him bitching about something he feels.

[@aceclover758]

Found the “normie” Cyberpunk 2077 was overrated garbage

[@TK_Trickster]

you can tell he just skipped dialogue, didn't explore the world, or pay attention to anything at all

[@TheMineralRecord]

I've also been attacked/ambushed by arasaka hit squads randomly in the city - notably in corporate plaza. It just wasn't a scripted sequence. If I recall correctly, they had a data pad on them ordering the hit

[@delugesofgrandeur]

One of the reasons I like the Corpo background is because it does fill in a bit of V's backstory. You already have a pre-existing relationship with Jackie and your motivation is simple, you lose everything and are starting over.

[@LustyLichKing]

It's also makes the most sense for why Dex would pick you for his big comeback gig. Former Arasaka Counterintel team leader that's been making a name for himself after leaving the company and becoming a merc. Makes more sense to me than street punk or nomad for a heist predicated on intelligence gathering pre-op and then pure social stealth once on mission. Even just that level of familiarity with Arasaka from the inside would be a massive boon, let alone the counterintel part.

[@delugesofgrandeur]

@@LustyLichKing Totally agree.

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

One of my favorite parts about that intro is when arasaka just shuts off your fucking organs

[@sanniez]

@@LustyLichKinglore wise I agree. But for myself I hated Jackie. And being a nomad really made that possible. Just got in the city for some money since I left the cuck clan. Find an annoying spic and he gets offed. Best outcome for me tbh. Don’t care for the city or the people in them. But if you liked Jackie corpo would’ve been the best option. Figured you would know Jackie in both street kid and corpo. So I chose nomad for the reason nobody would be a familiar face.

[@velvetpilot2008]

So when someone is playing for the first time just for the story, would you recommend going Corporate over Nomad and Streetkid?

[@grantgarbour]

I think David just had a different way of coping with his mother's death than crying. It being anger and revenge which is very human. And David definitely did care about his mother's troubles. The reason he didn't get the proper upgrade for school wasn't because they didn't have the money, it was because David was trying to save his mom some extra cash by getting a cheaper one. David's empathy stat was so high that for the entirety of Edgerunners he was trying to fulfill his mother's dream, Lucy's dream and Maine's goals all while not even forming his own. I think that's why David was special

[@pannik_lucas]

I wholeheartedly agree. Actually it's even inconsiderate and neurotypical to call you callous because you don't cry "when you are supposed to".

[@grantgarbour]

@@pannik_lucas I've been in that situation when I didn't cry for the death of a loved one and was criticized for it. It hurt because I was very sad, and they made me feel even worse about it

[@OwnD1]

Fr, just that scene when David is having cyberpsychosis moment about promising his mom to get to the top floor of Arasaka shows how deeply empathetic he is towards people he care about

[@JabamiLain]

Wait, people are criticizing the fact David hasn't cried his mother's death ? I'm only at the first episode, and I can already tell he loved his mother dearly and her death devastated him a lot. I noticed that snap when he received the calling from his bully. He's a teenager and was trying to be practical, since streets teach you, at least according to what I've heard, "Don't waste time feeling things and getting behind.".

[@Jm-dx9tl]

Or he was just a potato character

[@francisboio]

About the Adam Smasher defeating David thing: David during that fight was going in and out of cyberpsichosis every two seconds so he hadn't much the control of his mind in that situation and the meds like Doc said were going to literally frying his brain and even if he had full control we have to remember that David was just a teenager who powered up over the time meanwhile Adam was a soldier even before working for Arasaka ( and when he got there he was being there for 50 years using the corporation's best technology which can't be compared with a single's doctor one and a experimental thing) so he had much more experience considering the fact he's at least 96% a robot while David had still organic parts even with Cyberskeleton. Plus even before the fight happened Adam gave David a good shot on the guts weakening him. Sorry for the wall of text and eventual bad English (I'm actually Italian) but I wanted to give my opinion and I couldn't write it in a few words.

[@havonetae]

People tend to forget david is a child.

[@Batkenpre]

@@havonetae ya that is weird

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@havonetae Lucy kinda forgot that too.

[@Vilis-se8te]

I find it poetic that the game itself teaches us the message of the tabletop: Never trust a corpo!

[@Acesahn]

CDPR taught me that XD

[@rb98769]

@@Acesahn lol

[@TKTOV]

The reason why Adam beat David's ass so easily was that David simply ran out of meds and couldn't move anymore. We both saw him fall flat on his face after straining his body with the Sandivestan then coughing up BLOOD and after that his body simply couldn't handle much of anything else anymore. At the end he pretty much became paralyzed and a helpless punching bag for Adam to go to town on.

[@mike4490]

This is a good point and one of my only gripes with this video. If it was Adam vs David at the begining when David just got the skeleton suit he could have kicked Adams ass but at the end he was just burnt out and couldn't even fight back.

[@dasuero7489]

@SAUSAGE SURPRISE Well, that (what you said), but also the cyber-psychosis that David and Maine pretty much induced himself into or chose for himself, which can be likened to being hopped up and continuously using drugs, alcohol, meth or cocaine, crack, weed/cannabis or kush and bud, beer, vodka, hard liquor, scotch. Chasing the next, biggest greatest high and euphoria and ecstasy. It's obsession obsessive, impulse and being unable to help it. You tell the addict to stop, well, they simply can't. They've become so hopelessly, helplessly reliant and dependent and even at times hopelessly inert because of abusing that drug and alcohol and beer or addiction and obsession, so much that they cannot go on. Life and living wouldn't feel right and would feel empty or insane, the normalcy or normality is then debilitating and too hard for them. So, they return to binge on these substances, chemicals and drinks and habits. Not much you can do there, unless you consider or believe rehab and half-houses are an alternative for them. Idk if Cyberpunk 2077's world would have something akin to that.

[@dasuero7489]

@@mike4490 Still felt anticlimactic or not earned and too sudden. Why not have David only lose Lucy or just Maine and Dorio and the other woman and his mother and have him survive, not Lucy. What would have changed, if anything, would it be drastic?

[@Mr_Crair98]

Even if he wasn't burned out, david wouldn't have a chance either, the fight would've just lasted longer, Adam is just an unstopable killing machine, in the tabletop game is the boss that can and will easily kill every player even in the max level, you can only run from him. Lorewise, he survived an atom bomb and SPOILER one shotted characters like Johnny Silverhand in the story SPOILER so, him beating David that easily is not crazy at all, it just properly shows what a threat smasher actually is, something that the game didn't

[@dasuero7489]

@@Mr_Crair98 I never really said or meant that it was crazy or absurd for Smasher to end David, it was the fact that it was too sudden and dumb. It was a dumb death, kinda same with Rebecca. Plus, Smasher was less menacing and imposing in Cyberpunk 2077 while in Edgerunners he was a beast. I know David probably wouldn't have made, lasted or survived that long even if he didn't die by his hands. Because you know David and Lucy would be targeted endlessly because they disobeyed the law, killed a fixer and went against Arasaka and Militech. So they have to pay the price for it, more so David. But Lucy was just experimented and used along with many other children at a young age.

[@milliondoller06]

I'm more mad at the fact they lied what type of game it really was. Just be honest so wouldn't have to set my expectations to certain standards.

[@ni9274]

The community lied by overhyping the game, half of the « features » were invented by the community after reading some random article on internet.

[@milliondoller06]

@@ni9274 all the trailers, gameplay anaylsis that cdpr put out to hype the game out says otherwise

[@ni9274]

@@milliondoller06 Show me MAJOR features officially announced by CDPR that are not in the game ? Go watch this video to understand my argument: « Gamers fell for a lie: A defense of cyberpunk 2077 »

[@youarealwayscorrect]

@Troll haters gonna hate. I bought this game on release and still enjoyed it and was impressed by it way more than any other game in the past 4 years.

[@dasuero7489]

mystery and ni 92, I'd argue it's a perfect combination of both too much over-hyping the product and the fans believing the hype was real and justified and that because the visuals and graphical fidelity are 'great' and up-to-snuff with what they want. It aligns with their interests and likes as normies, as non-neurodiverse, as neurotypicals.

[@shortymccutlery8919]

I think the edgerunners anime is the original, scrapped story for cyberpunk 2077, apparently they changed basically everything when Keanu Reeves came on board as Johnny Silverhand to make him the main character.

[@mariobadia4553]

That would make sense considering that montage basically screams cut content

[@marthlink5015]

I was thinking the same thing. Keanu Reeves as cool as he is~ might've got alot of hype and sales initially, but i think in the long run it cost them and even worst cost their ability to tell a more free gritty cyberpunk story. Instead of being attached by the hip to Jhonny. Always figured he was just going to be a badass side boss or ally~ which would've been fine. Figured CD-Projeckt Red was just showing off their bank accounts that they could get a really prominent actor from action shooter movies but Meh.

[@dommevida_8721]

That story is bullshit and I still don’t know why so many people believe that. Do you seriously think they would just scrap their whole story and content and completely start from scratch? I think many people don’t know how game development works.

[@aryabratsahoo7474]

@@dommevida_8721 I agree with you. My most probable theory is that the early parts of the story are basically gigs and side missions that only pad out the game until the Heist at Arasaka. Due to time restrictions, they compressed a lot into gigs and that intro cutscene.

[@brunomarty5942]

The original ORIGINAL actually was about that police force of militech....? Trying to survive corruption and gangs war

[@Thecamper0131]

God, one quote from batman never stops being true. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become become the villain

[@Dregomz02]

Anyone find it weird how Arasaka in anime chases David for the most of the story because they want him, while in game V steals their tech and his face should be plastered everywhere all over the town with huge bounty on your head and Adam Smasher that should appear ike RE2 Tyrant/RE3 Nemesis that spawns at random during and outside missions to catch and annoy you, while in game they just forget about you for some reason even tho you stole one of their most expensive tech out there. It only makes cp2077 even more artificial and non believable (also you can't destroy doors with explosives like in Deus Ex so where is that player freedom and actual rpg mechanics? yeah nowhere)

[@erhiueQWEF]

probably my biggest gripe right there, Adam Smasher barely had any presence in the game at all.

[@user-oo3oi9ki2j]

yeah, the game sucks cause we cant destroy doors. 0/10

[@zachrohler1047]

@@erhiueQWEF I legit forgot about him until he literally blasted in like koolaid man

[@RobTheDoodler]

How would V’s face be plastered anywhere? They used a false ID at Kompeki and they couldn’t extract any useful info from Jackie’s body if you sent him to Vik’s. The only person with a positive ID is Takemura and he’s a fugitive too. It’s worth noting that the Kiroshi optics V used obscured their face in any cameras as well.

[@hitlord]

At least that the game covers: Viktor tells V that Kiroshis protect your face from cameras, by feeding a different face to it. And assuming V's actual face got filmed, I guess you can justify Arasaka not letting everyone know they got stolen from by a nobody is somewhat smart, because then what? The entire Corpo world comes after you to get what you stole from them? It is a dog eats dog world, after all. The doors though? Couldn't agree more. Should be breakable by absolutely every mean you have. Quite literally anything in V's arsenal can tear down walls, what is a door at that point.

[@Haarba1]

What is funny is how people believed that they will be able to save Jack, like this game would be an RPG with choices.

[@mryellow6918]

I just wish I was aloude to have a decision when dex kills you, it was blatantly obvious as soon as you walked into the room he was gonna fuck you, but no, no decision

[@T37-y6m]

I don't think saving Jackie would work

[@Haarba1]

​@@T37-y6m Perhaps, perhaps not, but point is cdpr did everything they can to make us believe than our actions will have consequences, that it would be non-linear game at least as much as W3 was where you can do things like saving important characters and ending is not decided by a last dialog. My personal problem with Jackie is that instead of getting few hours of gameplay where we meet him, his mother, bond with him... we got 30sec cutscene where we did it. Most likely it was cut, just like lets say importance of "path" and instead of 3 unique Vs we got 3x30min tutorials. Btw they couldve just killed paths, make a single V and use those 1.5 hours for what I was talking above, bonding with Jack, getting to know him better. This wouldve made his death much much more impactful. Or perhaps its just a bad writing... in lets say W3 even after 300+ hours I cant watch ending of Kaer Morhen battle w\o at least few tears :)

[@LordTrashcanRulez]

​@@Haarba1 Jackie's death is not supposed to be *that* impactful, dude. You can't call it bad writing when it wasn't even the original intension.

[@aronia210]

​@@Haarba1le bad writing bc you cant save him lol

[@sumfgg0tt678]

Cyberpunk should have took far more inspiration from the source material. More classes, more out there sci fi concepts. Also, the ramifications of body augmentation. More emphasis on cyber psychosis.

[@Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism]

Agreed; it was the best concept of the setting. The physical manifestation of corruptive power.

[@ianparrent6012]

Man that part where he couldn't afford to bury his mother and had to get her cremated hits way to close to home. Also being 17 at the time there's just not a lot you can do.

[@doddseman3]

Well I the world of cyberpunk everyone gets cremated. There are no proper burials in that world.

[@skeletonking2501]

@@doddseman3 But the fuck up thing is that it just comes off as so casual. Like there’s just a station for an automated cremation service out in the open, clearly meant for mass-use.

[@doddseman3]

@@skeletonking2501 yeah thats the world of cyberpunk. Soo depressing and dystopian for soo long that people saw it as normal

[@elucidation3064]

One of the most honest game reviewers on KZbin. Sometimes it's like the world has gone insane the way they go crazy over these trash games.

[@TheChosen1inc]

Gamers are the biggest retards when it comes to consuming products. They will defend companies fucking them in the ass with no lube and then thank them for it.

[@velociraptor3313]

I agree mate.

[@eddybooboo8349]

Honestly the world just insane in general in everything. I mean the woke media and politics alone is bonkers as hell lol.....

[@velociraptor3313]

@@eddybooboo8349 Yeah it's ridiculous, but thankfully there are plenty of people with common sense out there that call out this nonsense. Will the woke nonsense still be there? Perhaps but more and more people have had enough of their nonsense, their lies, their hypocrisy, their lack of morality and their lack of creativity. Those people are nothing but delusional entitled arrogant cowards nothing more nothing less.

[@djjordg2748]

i feel like people just think "graphics good game must be good" i thought cyberpunk was gonna be a super deep rpg but its anything but i don't think ill get a new release that i enjoy more than new vegas which is a bit shit

[@jasonbeneke4710]

Cyberpunk may be memorable for all the wrong reasons but, hey, it's OK, they just announced like... 15 more projects... what could possibly go wrong? CDPR is totally going to redeem themselves, trust them... 😆

[@sarcasm-83]

I think it was 8, but yes, I agree. Handled one project "this well" so why not try and manage 7 times more at once. For fucks sake... I do thank CP 2077 for one thing though; Finally hammering it truely home that pre-ordering *NEVER SERVES ME* and that with having just a little bit of patience past the release date (when I will have all the info I could ask for), I can make whole lot better informed purchases.

[@TheChosen1inc]

The sad thing is gamers r dumb enough to keep buying garbage. Then will defend said garbage like their life depends on it

[@FatManJackson]

@@sarcasm-83 I never understood why normal people (non streamers or youtubers) would EVER pre-order a single player game. Seems incredibly stupid to me, unless you are rich as dirt. The game will cost less, you will not miss out on any content (if anything in the best case you will even have a more polished game) and you can wait for reviews before actually buying it if you just wait for a couple of months. There are only upsides and literally no downsides with waiting for a single player game to age a little.

[@sarcasm-83]

@@FatManJackson So very true. I suppose I was caught in the manufactured "fear of missing out" as if there's some unspoken value of starting to play among the earliest people and in the obsolete-in-15-minutes trinkets they throw in as some pre-order bonus. Or "pre-order and you get to beta test our game!" deal. Oh what _value_ :| Glad I took the time to think things through and not just go along a trend after several disappointments.

[@MandoMTL]

@@sarcasm-83 Preordering only makes sense in competitive MMORPGs where the goal is to be among the first to the top. No clue what the appeal is for single player games.

[@tremel7336]

Seeing as how they advertised player choices affecting many outcomes and possibilities I thought the game would be a rags to riches story (Street Kid and/or Nomad) where you have a chance to save Jackie, so I was never concerned about being invested in his character especially since multiple trailers showed him off doing menial things like going to a bar and epic shit like tanking a bullets from an aircraft. Just goes to show how much expectations they were actively marketing and lying about. Also, my annoyance has risen for the shills of this game after Edgerunners was released. Yes, it's a fantastic show, one of the best piece of media to come out this year. No, it doesn't make the game better, just makes me more upset that I'm watching what I should be playing.

[@mariobadia4553]

Even before Edge Runners there's a bunch of people calling this game a Masterpiece which it is anything but

[@mateoreyes6921]

I expected Cyberpunk to be new and better Fallout New Vegas, in rpg fashion But i guess it was too good to be real

[@fetusthegreat9797]

that last sentence really brings it home. i want to watch and like edgerunners but as a fan of the ttg who was massively let down by 2077 the show makes me think of what could have been and leaves a sour taste in my mouth. i just hope this all makes cdpr get their act together

[@私の名前を翻訳しないでください]

I feel the same way about the last part. There is now this huge wave of people that are praising the game just from the anime alone.

[@eckz8659]

Preach.

[@DigitalApex]

Honestly, I was never invested in the game to begin with. I remember a couple of kids back in high school that were constantly talking about Cyberpunk in class. One asked me what I thought about the trailers and stuff, I told him "They're promising a lot. It looks like an ambitious game." "Right? It's going awesome." "That's why it'll suck." "WHAT? How do you figure?" "The game is going to be hyped to shit, probably get delayed a couple times, release, and fail to deliver the promises. It's been in development hell for a while now." Dude then proceeded to scoff and tell me I had no clue what I was talking about. Seems I was correct. Not like we see this shit happen all the time in the gaming industry or anything, not at all. I still haven't played it.

[@Mayhzon]

Game is good but your accessment was prophetic and on-point.

[@billywashere6965]

@@Mayhzon "Good"? Relatively so. But if you measure it against any competently made game like Deus Ex Human Revolution or proper open-world title like GTA IV and Saints Row 2, or well-told stories like The Godfather: The Game, or awesome all-around open-world action titles like Sleeping Dogs, it's severely lacking in a massive way.

[@lazygamer4746]

You should definitely play it. It's an awesome game with so many options to tackle missions. I made a netrunner build and I could clear entire compounds without getting out of my car. But of course you could bust in the front with melee or guns, or sneak around like Snake, or talk your way into things. It's definitely the best immersive sim type rpg to come out in a long time.

[@Aurora-bv1ys]

It's still a heartfelt game. I loved it back when I played it for the first time in 2022. And I still love it now.

[@kenkaneki3873]

I think my biggest issue with the corpo side of 2077, specifically Hanako and Yorinobu is that I feel the games characterization of them is bordering on butchering because Yorinobu was supposed to be a gray foil in Arasaka, someone that thought his fathers ways were evil so he rebelled against him while Hanako was supposed to be the morally good foil that still loves her father but is overall one of the most good characters in Arasaka. Compare this to the game where Yorinobu is basically a horrible person and even Hanako is basically too shady for how she was characterized, add insult to injury with the fact that you still die in the Arasaka ending and I just can't help but feel CDPR didn't understand 2020 at all.

[@imo098765]

You are supposed to lose in every ending, its just how you lose. Even in Edgerunners the saying is being repeated "Don’t make a name for yourself as a cyberpunk by how you live… Make a name by how you die." You can never win, thats the point of both stories. The happiest ending in 2077 is you leaving NC going to die in a few months but with those you care about around you The best ending for David would've been to leave with Lucy Giving up on being an Edgerunner/Cyberpunk is the happiest choice

[@kenkaneki3873]

@@imo098765 The problem is that there's no rule that says it has to be this way. It was supposed to be an RPG, the fact your death is scripted is just insult to injury and makes the entire plot even worse, especially the Arasaka ending since if anybody could help you, logically it should be the people who developed the engram.

[@DaviRenania]

WHAT? Yorinobu IS the real good guy. The Devil ending makes that clear. What happens is that the game is in V's point of view, so it's hard to notice if you don't pay attention. Oh, my God. It is so frustrating noticing how people just didn't understand the story of the game AT ALL.

[@kenkaneki3873]

@@DaviRenania Yorinobu *in 2020* was the good guy. In 2077 he isn't in anyway. He kills his father out of momentary rage, instead of having planned to do it, and then pins the murder on V, an innocent party. And after his Fathers death he does absolutely nothing to actually change Arasaka into a moral company, which was his entire goal in 2020.

[@DaviRenania]

@@kenkaneki3873 In 2020 a lot is left unsaid. But, anyway, when he murders the board, he putting in motion his plan to change Arasaka, but V comes and ruins it.

[@isakisak9989]

I loved the anime but i cannot play the game, it's too buggy, but the anime did a few aspects better than the game, we see a more in depth look at cyberpsychosis, and i loved how we see David lose pieces of himself throughout the show literaly, also the ingame radio music being used was smart for immersion, i cared more for David in 10, 20 min episodes than i ever did for V, Adam smasher acctually living up to his reputation was also great.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

CdProjekt let themselves to be infiltrated by SJWs that's the true reason Cyberpunk 2077 is a broken shitshow.

[@yoyoyoyi146]

If you got a next gen console it runs great now. Give it a go

[@silverblade357]

For me, V had the same problem as Nate/Nora from Fallout 4. They both wanted to have their own Commander Shepard, but missed the mark. They wanted the appeal of both the custom player avatar and the grounded character, but wound up with neither. The player doesn't have enough raw freedom to make V their own, but V also isn't developed enough to stand strong as their own character. If V had been developed as Vincent or Valerie, a Street Kid with deep roots in Night City with way more backstory and some actual connections, they could have stood alongside David and Valerie. You'd still be role playing as them, choosing how to build their skills, but like Geralt, you'd be more immersed into their character than trying to play your own.

[@kyotheman69]

the game sucks that's why, i rather watch series then game

[@isakisak9989]

@@yoyoyoyi146 I do not, i played it on ps4, i see why it was removed for a while, they should have scraped it for last gen, the map is a ghost town after all their patches trying to make it run better, i will get pc at some point so maybe il try it again there.

[@CowboyPete]

You're absolutely right about the botched attempt at making V a mix of predetermined character and blank slate. It was done horribly and although I personally have nothing against V's voice actor, I just hated the feeling of wanting to direct V to express my way of playing and then hearing him say things that totally contradict how I wanted him to be. For example, I really hated Johnny's character from the start so I figured I'd go the route of getting rid of him in the fastest way possible and just ignoring and mocking him whenever I can. Despite picking every choice that aligns with that play-style, V still remarked in the end how he liked "Working with Johnny" and there were lots of other dialogue that just did not fit with that play-style. It's just disappointing.

[@ni9274]

Yes it’s not an classic RPG.

[@SyndicateOperative]

@@ni9274 Or a decent RPG in general. Modern RPGs that have been released in the last few years still have those mechanics.

[@kyler247]

That was your issue, you were trying to role play. This is a looter shooter with branching dialogue

[@billywashere6965]

@@kyler247 They certainly didn't market it that way.

[@kyler247]

@@billywashere6965 You're right, and that's honestly one of the biggest problems people overlook with this game due to the glaring technical issues it had at launch (and to this day). I think people forgot to acknowledge that the game itself on a fundamental level is just botched completely

[@asitallfallsdown5914]

Cyberpunk feels like 1 third or fourth of a complete game that's missing several chapters or arcs. An intro arc where we actually do anything with our background with multiple relevant quests at least, a proper arc. Then the Jackie arc where you can actually be close friends (and Female V can romance him with all they've been through, instead of him randomly going to Misty instead, Misty can be your friend still but she comes to console you instead of you her. A challenge achievement to save him if you're skilled enough, which switches roles where you'll be the one to insert the chip so he doesn't have to, so Jackie doesn't need an excuse to hand it over to you. (Could even result in an alternate engagement where he's the one who helped Takemura get Dex and he's the one who shoots Dex instead and it's the three of you on the run) And there should be an Ending arc which is the Freeroam do the side quests arc for any ending where you survive, which would be more split half and half, and throw in the endings where you don't survive but just have more time. Then you can have multiple true end points of no return where you leave night city, or go into some cryo storage, or get uploaded.

[@PokeFan28]

They had 9 years to do all of this but wasted 1/3 of it completely because of the focus on reeves. Imagine beeing a writer for them and then they tell you that 2/3 of your work has to be scrapped because they need more focus on the celeb. I wouldve thrown shit

[@Mayhzon]

@@PokeFan28 What they need to do is leak the original script before Matrix boi came on board. I wonder how much better things would have been. No offense to Reeves of course, it's not his fault the entire project was mismanaged.

[@sarcasm-83]

I haven't watched this whole video yet, so apologies if I repeat something that's said later, but gotta say that I immediately relate. The very first thing I felt after having watched Edgerunners, was me thinking "I wish there was a game made after this show"... and that is a genuinely sad thought to have, while remembering the hopes and dreams before CyberPunk 2077's release. The immediate rise of Edgerunners related mods shows a similar craving from the PC playerbase, who are actively making this game more into "what it could have been" (or even "should have been") than the developer. The show puts all the potential wasted on display in so many ways, that in contrast the game feels just so uninspired, tame and "play it safe". We wanted a gritty, savage RPG with attitude and got a generic, neutered action game with RPG elements. (aka an action game of today, as practically all of em have RPG elements already, but figured I'd mention it anyway before someone argues the RPG elements make it an RPG) What I gotta admit that they made a great looking setting. The city, I mean. It worked fantastic as a setting for even the show and I admire Edgerunners attention to detail that they put actual locations VERY accurately into the show (as well as their integrity in not changing their vision when CDPR said one character was .. a problem). If the city actually had as much verticality as advertised, the subways and other functions that were hyped along with big sentences like "the greatest open world crowd system to date" or whatever that promo quote was, it would have been quite amazing. This game remains the biggest disappointment in gaming during my 38 year old life and I started playing games when I could hold a controller of an Atari/Intellivision system.

[@labret2]

Jeez... You are 38 and typing nonsense like this? You are just an old kid.

[@sarcasm-83]

@@labret2 The older you get, the more you realize you're still just you. Sure, I did think that there'll be some point where I just change and stop liking what I like and instead start going on cruises, doing crossword puzzles, golfing and wearing my phone on my belt. But no, doesn't seem like it works that way. Hopefully not for you either. I quite enjoy staying the same person, so I have no problem with it. Sorry if you do. But yeah if you wish to discuss anything, do write up something about the actual topic and I'm glad to have a chat about what you disagree on and hear you out :)

[@cyrusjameskhan]

I thought the story of Edgerunners, and the focus on Cyberpsychosis was a perfect fit for the game too... after all, the gameplay is all about cyberware and being immersed in night city, something the show uses to create the drive of the characters arcs. The whole Transcendence-style story in 2077 is cool, but it leans a lot on cyberspace and the metaphysical, something that is less present in terms of actual gameplay. Not to mention there could have been some really cool companion mechanics with a crew like that,. (RIP Jackie.)

[@calamaria9221]

I still can't believe they scrapped the missions shown in the montage once Keanu Reeves came onto the project to focus on Johnny Silverhand. And I still can't believe an anime got people to say Cyberpunk 2077 was always good (no, no it wasn't), that it's totally okay CDPR barely updated Cyberpunk 2077 since its release, and that CDPR can handle 5 projects at a time.

[@sideswipebl]

Sponsored bit was worth it to see the Synthetic Man himself wearing an OUCH! tank that’s only red on the front side

[@mariobadia4553]

I absolutely hate how people are now just pretending that cyberpunk is a good game or have somehow tricked themselves into thinking that the gameplay has gotten better even though it's the exact same just minus the bugs and glitches. They just like to memory hole the fact that CD project red lied to their faces about what type of game it was going to be. They showed cut scenes that would never be the game in the first place, a life path that ended up meaning absolutely nothing and they quckly kill off an actual good character to get to Keanu Reeves as soon as possible. If they go through with making a second cyberpunk damn I hope to God that they actually make the game that they showed us at E3.

[@ottovonweaboo6355]

The power of anime booba mixed with japan common w´s at storytelling

[@planning9930]

I really liked this game from day one to now I just did a second playthrough and it might not be edgerunners levels of story or good characters but it is the same world space we play the game in and arguably the main characters in the game make it a good game. It is short of you play only the main missions you could finish it in a couple hours if you really tried but running around with mantis blades slicing everything apart is really undeniably fun. There does need to be more though the city is cool but it’s a really short and sweet experience that was made to be replayable and less long term playing. Like it’s not fallout 4 that you could play for a hundred plus hours and still have something to do it’s more like new Vegas where you experience the sights and people and whatever atrocities you want to comit and then after that you play a different game and eventually comeback to new Vegas because it’s just so good. Without story expansion dlc like new Vegas had this game just falls short of being a couple day fun experience and more like a two three day playthrough instead of a week or something like other games can make it too. Just more good story telling is all I’m asking for the dlc and the next cyberpunk game. I love the atmosphere and what’s in the game but there need to be maxtac ships that fly personnel to you and they drop down and the cars can fly and actual police chases just simple things that make the environment more believable and more immersive than just spawning in cops and maxtac. I mean gta did this system well like ten years ago with gta v so why can’t they make something decent.

[@isakisak9989]

The anime is really fucking good but yes i don't see the point in coping and pretending the game was good all along, better luck to the sequel whenever that game is out. people did memory hole a lot of things, we never got wallrunning, climbing, car customization, 3rd person cutscenes, corrupt cops you could pay, more various interiors and activities we saw in the trailers, only cut feature they added was more appartments you could buy. probably a bunch more stuff i don't remember that was promised.

[@mariobadia4553]

@@isakisak9989 I swear they said something about having like Bounty Hunters after you or something like that

[@isakisak9989]

@@mariobadia4553 i swear i heard something like that too, that syndicates would hire mercenaries to end you when you're no longer on good terms. other features that i remember were cut are the functional subways, and npcs having routines like rdr2, like having a drink, going to work, getting their car, then going home, just small stuff for immersion, to make the npcs feel more alive.

[@AC-G4M1NG]

I think the reason Adam beat David so bad is because David already run out of his meds by that time, you could see how David is in between those dosage he was basically useless, now if David still have 1 more dosage left at that time i guess it will be an interesting fight.

[@Ekdrink]

Also David was distracted by faraday so he got gutshotted. But still he might’ve lasted another 30 secs but that’s being generous as he was still pretty lucid

[@spnked9516]

Maybe it's my background with the TTRPG, or maybe I'm just going crazy, but I had a lot of issues with Edgerunners. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's bad - in fact, I think it's one of the best things we've got this year -, I just think it missteps in a few key areas. To avoid writing a full blown essay, I'll narrow it down to three things - cyberware, cyberpsychosis, and Rebecca. The TLDR here is that cyberware (mainly the Sandevistan here) and cyberpsychosis are nebulously defined plot devices that function in whatever manner is convenient for the writers, and Rebecca is a late addition whose execution actively undermines elements of the story trying to be told. So, let's tackle the Sandevistan first. Sandevistans are supposed to be fairly common pieces of cyberware that increase your perception and reaction times. Sandevistans do not slow down time or make you go sonic fast. Likewise, they are not death/insanity machines given that they remain inactive 99% of the time meaning their strain on mind and body is comparably low. No one should be surprised that David, a mostly organic individual who isn't an absolute invalid, can use a sandevistan without dying or immediately going insane, nor should David be able to outrun explosives or targeting AI. On a similar note, cyberpsychosis isn't just a boogeyman, it's a dissociative disorder that stems from modifying or replacing too much of your body. It can manifest as homicidal tendencies, but, more broadly, it can also produce other antisocial behaviours - such as kleptomania. While it can affect anyone, those who lack empathy or psychological stability are more prone to developing it. This is sort of a problem for David, given his consumption of literal spree-killer BDs and the death of his mother. David should actually be more susceptible to cyberpsychosis, not less. Lastly, with regards to Rebecca, I believe her to be a later addition to a mostly complete script. She was slotted in as a tertiary character turned secondary in order to fill a very specific function. Basically, the show didn't have time to introduce new characters after killing half the crew so Rebecca (and Falco to a lesser degree) gets hastily added to the first half as a means to mitigate this issue. In principle, there nothing wrong with this, but the execution of it ends up causing problems. Rebecca's characterization ends up giving her more main heroine energy as a secondary character than Lucy has as a primary one. Rebecca is forward, open, honest, and attentive. She's the first character (alongside Maine) to show David respect and interact with him in an honest and amiable manner. She's also the first character to notice and confront David about his downward spiral - although, I'd argue she suffers from a bit of character assassination at this point given how uncharacteristically docile her approach is.

[@SyntheticMan]

Actually a lot of good points here, I certainly wouldn't say Edgerunners is a masterpiece by any stretch. That said: 1) It's been over 50 years. Clearly the Sandevistan/Kerenzikov technology has evolved a lot. Definitely too OP though both in-game and in the anime though, everyone would slot that sh*t if they could. 2) Rebecca was added by Studio Trigger because they wanted a loli. That's it. CDPR wanted them to cut her because they're woke now, and Trigger refused. I agree with the rest though.

[@spnked9516]

@@SyntheticMan I personally really don't like the whole "50 years in the future" defense. As soon as you make that argument you have to justify why basically every aspect of the setting has stagnated for that long. The whole jump from 2020 to 2077 was less a result of well-planned and considered advancement of the setting and more a desire to push the date of the IP's setting up so it doesn't coincide with the current (now past) period in time. Basically, just treat 2077 as 2020, because that's what CDPR did. Generally speaking, the reason why I revert to the 2020 source material so frequently is that it's by far the most consistent and detailed material released on the setting. Even Red, the most recent version of the TTRPG (if I'm not mistaken), doesn't have the same depth as it's 2020 counterpart. I've actually heard that Trigger initially wanted to take the story in a different direction, but since members of CDPR handled a good deal of the writing, Trigger didn't really get their way. Since I can't find any proof for that claim, it's hard to say. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say Rebecca is a holdover, to some degree, from the direction Trigger wanted to move in. I could see her being one of their hills to die on, so to speak, and ultimately refusing to do away with her. I mean, if you compare her to the rest of the cast, she sticks out like a sore thumb (and not because she's a loli, which I don't really think she is). She's by far the most "Trigger" character in the cast. She's a violence-loving gun gremlin, but she's far more communicative, loyal, and selfless than everyone else in the cast (save David's mom, maybe). She's basically an antithesis to the corrupting, dehumanizing, and atomizing influence of Night City.

[@beetheimmortal]

@@SyntheticMan But the Sandevistan wasn't this op in Cyberpunk RED either, and that takes place in 2045, so it hasn't been 50 years. Also, Rebecca isn't a loli in any way, she's just a small woman with normal body proportions. People who claim she's a loli don't know what a loli is. Also, watch GitS: SAC already, you promised me ages ago, Synthetic Man :(

[@nobalkain624]

@@beetheimmortal You dont know what a Loli is. A Loli is not an Underage Girl. Its just a Term/Trop that the Anime Community started using for Short Women that have C Cups or smaller with a Slim Build. Rebecca is a Loli, just not what Crazies on Twitter want a Loli to be so they can Virtue Signal about how horrible people are for liking them.

[@justinp1011]

Mike Pondsmith (the creator of the TTRPG) clarified the cyberpsychosis in a reddit post that cyberpsychosis worked more like steroid addiction, and having a "better" background would ease you off that - with David being just a typical poor student working his ass off for school before that... he's still way miles ahead to your typical Night City residents. V on the other hand, well it was stated he was the exception due to either the chip, his mysterious background being better overall, or just special like David (or all the three factors at once).

[@deathlock9979]

Is it possible that the engram with Johnny Silverhand's conciousness, the circumstances surrounding the chip saving V from dying, and Silverhand slowly taking over V's mind, "overriding" and "resetting" any loss of humanity on V's part, is what kept V from getting cyberpsychosis? The main problem is that this is never explained or even implied in the game.

[@secondaryfront]

It doesn't have to. V's relatively stable mental state is not a focus of the game story.

[@KeiosKod]

Yeah, let’s not overthink things. If it’s never brought up, it’s simply a detail about the setting that’s been neglected. Anything that comes up after everything has already been laid out to try and put a reason for why cyberpsychosis wasn’t an issue would simply be a retcon to try and add more detail to the story.

[@rb98769]

@@KeiosKod Yeah, they honestly had lots of chances to bring it up in the game and they didn't.

[@rb98769]

@@secondaryfront V's degrading mental state is very much a focus of the game, it's just not framed with cyberpsychosis.

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

@@rb98769 Yeah my grandpa and my great grandpa both suffered brain damage and went crazy from it so V becoming psychotic from his brain getting slowly eaten by the chip would make sense.

[@sultankillroy3475]

This could’ve been the greatest game ever made. I feel like continuing forward with the trend of current games we’re gonna be saying “could’ve” for a lot of titles after they have released.

[@jmlaw8888]

"This couldve been the greatest game ever made." Thinking like that was not only why it never came anywhere near achieving that but also not even meeting its own more humble potential. CDPR were incapable of making that game. Hot off the heels of their ONE major success that so taxed the team many have now left the company, they were NEVER going to be able to live up to such overhyped delusional goals for 2077.

[@ricardoojeda2963]

A new Synth video, faith in humanity restored. Keep it up!

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

goggle image Rebecca from " edge " runner's

[@Acesahn]

Expecting a Synth video to restore humanity is like going on a hunger strike and expecting to gain weight.

[@PapaP86]

Yeah, all hail the eternal contrarian with no real consistency, logic, analytic ability and mindless hot takes for the sake of attention, yaaaaaaay.

[@DatLazyBoi]

If only this game would follow the blueprints of Fallout New Vegas with some new stuff thrown in,then maybe it would be the game that was promised to us

[@theanonymspysandwich]

That was planned, but due to mismanagement half their talent walked, and now that they've "fallen off" they're immediately out for BlackRock-cash. We probably won't see any semblance of a decent product from them ever again. From "independent" AA studio with values to rubbing up to the main cause of entertainment decline. What a shitshow.

[@branpod]

Nothing will come close to the glory of New Vegas

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

@@theanonymspysandwich go woke n stuff yah ?

[@theanonymspysandwich]

@@creatorsfreedom6734 Basically. BlackRock is an investing-firm that cushions all blows from going woke. Studios basically can't go bankrupt if whored out to them aslong as they spread the "message". Look at Disney for example

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

@@theanonymspysandwich They’ve got a smaller studio doing something a bit more niche, so that could be good. I think the next main game will be very safe and bland. Like what happened to Dragon Age 2, it went really arcade style button masher.

[@reidsimpson4213]

A good anime definitely doesn't make V any less bland of a protagonist. In fact, compared to David, who isn't really even all that complex, V's like an even more wooden Commander Shepard.

[@jakobsylvester7449]

Totally agreed. Watching the anime made me dislike the game even more because of that. So much wanted potential.

[@Sandact6]

It's the idea where if you can make a character that covers all bases or a "play how you want to play!" protagonist a lot of them end up bland. An exception to this is Adam Jensen from Deus Ex, who functions as a moody grump in all of his conversations. The game is telling the story about Adam rather than being a bland self-insert, and I think there's a lot of strength behind that.

[@jakobsylvester7449]

@@Sandact6 The problem is rather the voiced protagonist in my opinion. The number of dialog choices is just too limited for truly creating enough choices for rp in that case I think.

[@Sandact6]

@@jakobsylvester7449 That's why I think NV worked well I agree, but Adam is fully voiced and it fully represents his character. The difference comes when you want an everyman who is voiced, in which case what you said is true, as I don't feel there are enough voicelines to flesh it out.

[@theketaminekid1241]

I prefer V honestly.

[@machinedieselx4767]

Love the NPCs in this game. Only two animations. Eating and walking. An entire city of people eating hamburgers and walking. Oh! And smoking. Almost forgot that one.

[@Lnksyr]

Would 25 animations really make a difference for you? I honestly don't understand what some people's approach to open world games is when they say things like this. When I play the game, I sorta check out the design of the NPCs, and listen to see if they have dialog. Other than that, I ignore them, they're set dressing. Can you describe what your ideal NPC design is and how it would actually affect your gameplay?

[@ni9274]

There is tons other.

[@foulXD]

love the nitpicks, truely shows the hatewagon the person is riding, fucking clown.

[@youarealwayscorrect]

@@ni9274 shh, don't say that! The sheep mentality only allows us to say 'cyberpunk game bad, anime good", even if sometimes it's blatant lies (like this comment), unrealistic expectations and double standards.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

@@youarealwayscorrect Be that as it may, the anime exceeded expectations while the game failed to deliver on its promises - so that whole “game bad, anime good” line isn’t wholly without merit…

[@colorgreen8728]

I don’t like how people like cyberpunk now because of an anime, anime is good, the game is not and is still not. I will not support the business practice of releasing unfinished games

[@aronia210]

The game is clear of that mid ass anime

[@aaxel_dz]

Game’s better than the anime now

[@rushpatriot2866]

The game is good now lil bro whether you like it or not

[@colorgreen8728]

@@rushpatriot2866 this comment I made is over a year old, I forgot it even existed. Yeah it’s pretty great now

[@caseylascallette7269]

Gr8 b8 m8

[@0verWay]

Regarding Cyberpsychosis: there's a lot of people who seem to completely ignore, forget or misunderstand why V doesn't go into CP, even after being fully augmented. I recall some dialogue and/or lore shards in the game explained V's "immunity" to CP with the main story aspect of the game: the chip overriding his personality. The chip essentially manages to hold back any negative changes to V's psyche, which would be caused by CP, by removing and "repairing" the damages done regardless, because the damage that would be done to V, is overwritten and hence removed by Johnny's new personality. Imagine....a virus fighting a virus and building up an immunity towards it in the process. Also: V is practically dead, a walking corpse or even more: a construct. The Alt A.I. even explains it how V "died" in the scrapyard after Dex killed you. V's brain doesn't get effected in the same way by CP as a normal, living one would. David was a normal guy who overdosed himself with augments and the Sandavistan (or however it's spelled) within a much longer time frame. The augments had a lot of time to change his brain and lead him down into a CP. Meanwhile V, on the other hand, pumped himself full with mods within like a couple of weeks, so his brain didn't have enough time, so to speak, to decay towards CP.

[@SyntheticMan]

While that's an interesting explanation, it's not my point in the video. Whether there's a reason or not doesn't matter: the problem is the direction of the story itself. Like I say in the video, the decision to make Keanu Reeves play one of the main characters and have the plot center around V dying from the chip, is the ultimate mistake which ruins the pacing and makes the story directionless and ultimately pointless in the ending.

[@UrsineArms]

Gotta stop using CP as a term dawg

[@silverblade357]

@@SyntheticMan Yup. Keanu would have worked way better as a single line of side quests. He was not interesting enough to justify the main quest. Perhaps there could have been other missing engrams you could discover, leading to questlines where you help these digital ghostd settle up their past business. All as side quests that grant you unique items and references to the classic characters. The whole plot could have just revolved around three big paths to become a legend of Night City. Do you work to expose and stop Arasaka to avenge Jackie? Do you play multiple sides to maximize your personal gain through chaos? Do you join Arasaka and work as their new enforcer against the other factions? Or, maybe you just avoid getting involved right away, so you can run around as a merc and guy all the fancy stuff without the constant reminder that your brain is supposedly melting and you've only got weeks to live.

[@diosnika9218]

@@SyntheticMan its not an interesting explanation the creator of the world and games clarified this as the reason why V doesnt experience it.

[@Mayhzon]

@@UrsineArms Made me laugh harder than it should. This is why Censorship is awful, people use abbreviations and workarounds and then those terms become totally politically charged. Like for instance Jogger or Merchant Guild. Lol.

[@CyberneticHusky]

Seems like the most impressive thing about all of this is that they were able to boost sales by telling a good story. What a crazy concept. Also loved that you threw Robo Cop in there at the end cause that was in the back of my mind for most of the video when you mentioned the big corporations.

[@jamesrimes2870]

Haven't played the game, but the city on the game looks incredible, better than anything I've seen in video games. Insanely detailed and beautiful.

[@aninternetuser4306]

It is. The city is beautiful.

[@SnrubSource]

it's like a museum, look but don't touch.

[@rb98769]

The city itself is definitely one of the highlights of the game. It's quite big and there's lots of detail there.

[@Mayhzon]

Well of all the things of Cyberpunk 2077, the environment art and it's look is probably one of the things that didn't catch flak. For good reason.

[@lenadrasecsetneumsecrag7051]

The city is big but shallow, there is no interaction or hidden dungenos neither depth besides the surface of buildings and trees....the game was selled like a revolutiomary open world but its every generic city only with more neon lights and a ton of building sky bridges.

[@Syenthros]

"Edgerunners are supposed to go out in a blaze of glory..." Someone forgot that Johnny Silverhand originally got sawed in half by Adam Smasher's auto shotgun in less than a second without so much as inconveniencing the man.

[@scarecrown7s]

No bugs or glitches does not make a good game. It the story isn't there, if the motivation is non existent, if there's no connection to your own character it's just empty

[@hunterlord101]

That sounds eerily similar to Destiny

[@ni9274]

The story is here, you just don’t like it.

[@RobTheDoodler]

To say the motivation is nonexistent would be disingenuous. Just say you didn’t like it.

[@scarecrown7s]

@@RobTheDoodler I didn't like it and the motivation is non existent

[@kinga.t.242]

@@scarecrown7s no there is a motivation and the story and the characters in the game are even far better than the ones in the anime

[@hextechmagikarp4610]

If there were dialogue options that can kill Panam or Judy and save Jackie or send Johnny to new body, the game wouldn't be linear muffin shoved down your throat. I would love to see Jackie in the ending to give bro fist bump before credits.

[@TremelJackson]

They really missed the opportunity to have a cyberpsycho system, it makes so much sense since V is dying anyway, that could have added another ending if you lost too much humanity at a certain point and decided the only way out is to go out guns blazing kinda like John Marston in RD1.

[@andraskovacs5431]

I would say David is a pretty empathetic character. Giving his life to fulfill others dreams. He was a straight A student while doing works on the side to help his mother. He tried to drop out not bechause he didn't want to study bit bechause he wanted to save some money for his mother. Bought the cheap knockoff softvare to save more for his mom. All at the age of 17. He handled the bullying and the beating untill they insulted his mother. He was probably at his breaking point before he got called and that's when he decided to get the standevistan. Later on he had the hardest time with violence in the whole gang. Only pulling the trigger when he had to save the others. Just to only talk about the start.

[@SyndicateOperative]

Those aren't actions of empathy; they're actions of sympathy. Very different concepts.

[@BlackMetalGods]

Cyberpunk 2077 like Mass Effect 3 basically made everything you do to a certain point meaningless and not have any replayability which just kills the mood to ever come back to it in the future.

[@Acesahn]

You said exactly what I was thinking. An anime company gave LIFE to the same setting CDPR had to work with and left a baren, empty sandbox. Now CDPR is taking credit for their failures and its WORKING. It boggles my mind.

[@maddasher8471]

yeah they are taking credit like they made the anime when all they did was write the script even that is rewritten by trigger because cdpr is incapable of writing a practical script that is how we got rebecca.

[@Krysnha]

Personaly, for what i see, mi opinion, watch old anime they mmuch better, than these, and also i hate these neon thing, looks generic and a potato of CGI, i admit they ake a better job than cyberpunk CD project red

[@TheGreatJamer]

@@maddasher8471 that’s a lie cdpr we’re against it look they themselves are the ones who wrote Rebecca and the script wasn’t rewritten by trigger

[@TheGreatJamer]

@@Krysnhathe game story is far better

[@Krysnha]

@@TheGreatJamer in some aspect it is

[@ThetaRider]

Just like to say I think that the physics of the vehicles is a parody or homage to how they behave in the game, not really a side effect of being an anime. But otherwise great work. Good to find another cynical game connoisseur out there.

[@error_3498]

The moment the montage happened I knew that the game was absolute shit The whole game should have been that montage Rising off the street slowly building a name for yourself getting to know jakky? Or wherever his name was Slowly building reputation unlocking fixers and client's as you go dealing with gangs and corporations But no all that good stuff just happens in a 50 second flash forward Like you've completely lost me that was what I was here to do myself Talk about robbing you of experience and completely detaching you from the main character

[@mariobadia4553]

I hate how your life paths mean absolutely nothing since the after that Montage the game treats you like a street kid

[@pannik_lucas]

I felt a weight leaving my soul after hearing you point out the masssive plot hole of not recording the emperor's murder

[@secondheaven9545]

Need a special implant, which none of the crew had, and yorinobu disabled his apartments cameras

[@The_Black_WoIf]

I agree with most of the points, Cyberpunk feels like GTA clone then actual RPG, great video. I would disagree with Adam Smasher point that David is stronger then him, Adam Smasher is the bodyguard of the CEO of Arasaka. He would have top of line mods, stuff the wouldn’t even get released on the market in which be top secret in order to protect most important person billion dollars corp. David while awesome protagonists he only has 1 top military mod, and prototype that meant to eventually go mass market. No way millions spent on Adam Smasher would even match technology used to protect CEO of Arasaka. If anything it was the game last fight with him made him garbage/ wasted opportunity , thanks CDPR. Anyways keep up the great content!

[@wood1066]

I disagree about Adam smasher completely destroying David being anime nonsense. Adam is supposed to be ridiculously powerful he even says in the show that David's mech suit is just a giant toy to him. The game just does a terrible job of showing how badass he really is, but the anime corrected that mistake. Still great vid regardless.

[@caveyiswow92]

My main complaint was, the main story feels so short. Like you're dying and the narrative makes it seem like you don't have long. So it feels like you want to do the main story as soon as possible to survive; however you can easily be done with the game by level 15, maybe a few hours of actually playing. So to enjoy more of you, you have to take a break from the main story which destroys pacing and makes V condition seem uninteresting. THE GAME IS TOO DAMN SHORT

[@T37-y6m]

The side content makes sense, because it's V making a reputation for himself before he dies

[@caveyiswow92]

@@T37-y6m maybe? But like V seems pretty set on trying to find a way to fix his condition before what happens, happens. He never makes a point of okay good I'm going to die, let's go out like a legend. Idk could have been represented better, I believe in the conspiracy that the story and game were already finished until keanu reeves agreed to join in at the last minute, making them have to redo most of the game and story to fit that narrative. Not a bad game, but I missed out on being that legendary status and is full of disappointments.

[@UofACG93]

This game starts feeling like an ubisoft open world if you decide to tackle alot of the side missions before continuing the main story mission. Nothing is placed in the world that anchors your character to simulating a real world. Like a museum can only look but not touch... Looking at you billiards bar... Just let the people play pool

[@israeldavila27]

Funny enough, they are making a sequel *eventually* they did a press release thing on twitter reveling the plans for future developments and games. Amazing review, really enjoyed hearing your take on things.

[@silverblade357]

Cyberpunk 2077 should have been either a linear experience or a more compacted open world like Deus Ex or Dying Light. CDPR knew they were not prepared or equipped to deliver on a living open world on par with GTA5, but kept pushing back out of stubbornness. Cyberpunk 2077 will always be a massive miss opportunity damaged by hubris.

[@SyndicateOperative]

Shadowrun handles this a whole lot better; some people 'run the shadows' (i.e. take on illicit jobs, heists, etc.) simply because they love the lifestyle. They love the rush. Some do it because their identities are burnt and they aren't willing to give up and die; they're willing to do whatever it is to survive. There's far too much "How can I be happy?", "what about my relationships?", and other comparatively minor issues in CP2077. There's absolutely no feeling of "any run you can walk away from is a good one".

[@rb98769]

Honestly, I just expected some more Act 1 stuff. The game changes drastically in Act 2 and it suddenly doesn't really feel the same because the story is no longer about you and your friends, it's about Johnny and the chip. You don't have a team and you're no longer free, so it no longer feels like what you'd expect from a Cyberpunk 20XX story. Probably the worst thing is that it's so lonesome. You have some contacts but unlike in Act 1 they never meet and all act on their own, it's not the same, it's not a team like on the tabletop. All you have is a voice in your head. The closest thing you have to a team is Panam and her family, which I appreciate. It's like the game dangles in front of you the story you could have had and then takes it all away from you so that you're constantly reminded of what you're missing out on. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not a bad story. I just don't think it's the best delivered in video game format. Compare it to Shadowrun Dragonfall, a game that makes you care about a character's death within the first 15 minutes of it. The world is shitty and oppressive, but at least you have a team and friends who care about you, and they're there with you when things get bad. There are sad moments but you fight it through with them. I feel like the anime had more of this kind of energy. Edit: Having now watched the whole video, glad we're mostly in agreement.

[@JayM1989]

People seem to think the game is better now because they fixed some bugs. It's not. It's just more playable. The game sucks because it's old ass dated bare bones on rails gameplay. 50% of the story is a cutscene. City is empty and dead. Side quests aren't bad. Game is still a huge letdown.

[@mariobadia4553]

Plus only one piece of cut content has been put back in the game after all of this time

[@yannlorrain99]

This vid make me realize that I would have preferred "chased by Arasaka" plot then "I'm dying becoming schizophrenic" plot. Not that they exclude each other.

[@oneyplayes465]

You know, Synthetic. I saw many people saying this game experience was marred by glitches and bugs. Claiming those were the reason why the game was not good, but for me, I experienced little to no bugs in my run but just did not like the story apart from the nomad stuff with Panam. The actual game world felt lifeless for a genre so rich in exaggeration. It is just a meh type game and I never can understand why people are hyping this game so much bro. 70gb of my ps4 pro mostly wasted with the installation of this one. Great review once more! You will be big my man and I will always support lest you switch with the corps! Bless!

[@sgt.shooterperson5067]

Its honestly sad seeing people delude themselves into thinking the game has pulled a full NMS and is everything we were promised. Some people just refuse to take the blackpill. Keep up the great work synth.

[@mariobadia4553]

A lot of people get tricked by the delusional people that post cyberpunk 2077 is a masterpiece videos. I mean the game still doesn't have that sword that they showed in the E3 fake gameplay demo

[@HollowG8]

@@mariobadia4553 "Cyberpunk 2077 isn't a masterpiece, it doesn't have that one cool sword they showed in that one gameplay trailer."

[@exysa2798]

People don't think it pulled a NMS. Its a lie by CDPR employees and CDPR bots in Twitter. They Trick you. Everyone hates Cyberpunk and CDPR now.

[@exysa2798]

@@mariobadia4553 Cyberpunk 2077 was made by inexperienced amateurs and scammers. Thats why its so trash. CDPR will go bankrupt soon anyways because almost everyone refunded Cyberpunk 2077

[@mariobadia4553]

@@HollowG8 the only piece of cut content they put back in the game was buying apartments and that's it... you can't even customize your apartment the only thing you can do is put guns in The Gun Room. A metric f*** ton of things they said we're going to be in the game on still not in the game. If they can't even put in a f****** sword then there's no hope they're going to put in any other cur content before they abandon this game. They still haven't put in vehicle customization, third person cutscenes corrupt cops you can pay off, corporations hiring mercenaries to come after you, no trains you can ride in, wall running, no AI with day and night cycles, still no police chases, no one night stands. Basically 90% of what was shown in the fake E3 demo is still not in the game.

[@wisterite3080]

I think one of the main things that the anime did right is highlight and take a lot of the lore within Mike P.’s take on the Cyberpunk genre. I mean in reality- David and V’s story beats are incredibly similar just presented in two different forms of media. The anime didn’t add anything that the universe didn’t already have, just gave a perspective of those who live in night city. It gives you a digestible bite sized portion of the world that you don’t have to run around to figure out yourself. You get a snippet into cyberwars, how corporations juristic everyone’s lives, the immense divide between poverty and wealth, and how as a result people reach out to live fast and die hard to feel like they’ve done something. We see it with both V and David. They’re both individuals who had something (no matter where you start) and as a result of losing “everything” take their shots at trying to be the next legend in this city. They both went out of their way to try and achieve it out of loss, and as a result further buried themselves in hole, continuing to lose everything that actually mattered to them and not realizing before it was too late. I won’t be one to tell someone to do something they don’t want to do, but as someone in game development and writing I thinks there’s a few things with this series I like to tell people because I believe there truly is some magic to be found within it. Mike Pondsmiths universe had an ending before you even press start. Whether you’re watching David unravel in edgerunners, or V spiral as a result of losing everything and then slowly beginning to lose themselves. You play through, doing all these destructive and drastic actions to try and do something that was all for nothing. There’s a line in Automatic Love, and early mission in the game where this line sets the tone of V’s story and sat with me the whole game after asking what is it they need to come to terms with so badly. “To come to terms with the fact that you died. Now move on already.” V is obsessed with the idea of trying to save her life, losing others while in the process, going through immense trauma and dealing with unforgettable events in attempts to try and stop something that already happened. V died when she was shot in the head. The chip brought her back temporarily, but she isn’t herself, and she died… you can’t reverse death you just slowed it down. In my opinion it’s an excellent story, that I think especially shines in the universe it’s set it because it is one that is driven by ambition and helplessness. One of the best parts of the games is feeling this dynamic of V trying to avoid this reality, and seeing how the city has burned so many into the ground. You get to see how the world has impacted those around it- through things besides character action. It’s great, and an aspect I don’t see highlighted enough despite story and the message in Edgerunners being very similar and in line with it. I don’t think either are perfect, but I don’t think anyone can argue on it being such a believable world. Especially one so intricate and vast in the ways it ties everything together. I think if you enjoyed the anime, you’ll just be getting way more in-depth looks at so many elements and beats within the game.

[@josemourinho3582]

I still have no idea how people view this game as something "special" it is just another mediocre AAA title that offers nothing but false promises. And what annoys me to most is that some praise devs for fixing the game 2 years after the lunch wow. Great video btw synth I'm so happy that I found your channel because you speak without any bullshit just your own thoughts keep at it!

[@Defoe9]

+ This game still plays like shit

[@mariobadia4553]

Yeah the people who make those videos calling the game a masterpiece are just downright delusional. It's like they systematically forget all of the s*** that CD project right said was going to be in the game but failed to deliver. Remember the trains? Remember being able to wall run? Remember when they said you could customize your vehicle? Remember when they said life paths mattered? Remember how the only piece of cut content to be put back in the game is being able to buy your own apartment........ you can't even customize your apartment which is f****** stupid

[@mariobadia4553]

@@Defoe9 the driving in this game is still the worst I've ever experienced. The driving in the just cause games are better somehow

[@josemourinho3582]

@@mariobadia4553 The racing side quest in this game is Traumatizing

[@exysa2798]

No one Sees it "Special". Its a lie by CDPR employees and CDPR bots in the Internet. They trick you and you believed them. Everyone hates Cyberpunk and CDPR now. People don't Like Cyberpunk 2077

[@KYLgonk]

One correction: it's not like CDPR hadn't done anything wrong until Cyberpunk, it's just that people forgave them because of the success of The Witcher 3. I'd recommend you search up how they said the footage they had shown of Witcher 3 before its release was how the game was actually going to look like, only to release a game that looked worse (which was easy to forgive granted the other qualities of the game) and how they tried to limit piracy of The Witcher 2 after the game was used to promote their "we don't care if you pirate" platform GOG.

[@GiveMeYoSammich]

I'd also like to point out how in 2077 ending choice scene where you're on the roof, they have a blue chair and red chair referencing the blue and red pill from the matrix

[@Mayhzon]

Totally unworthy of that one, though.

[@luiseatoll6368]

Playing this game, I still don't know who V is. I only ever get who they are based from what the people around them tell me. Finding Evelyn was only a means to an end for me but for some reason V gets Judy's approval even when asking Evelyn on site about her employer. Additionally, it's fucking weird at how they frown upon merc V. The choices in which you ask for money every time you do a favor is somehow bad. This bars a role that SHOULD have been the core and would affect how it all ties together but nooo merc V bad, friendly merciful V gud. This is a Cyberpunk game, btw.

[@maxhocks2006]

When Maine went psycho I was ready to cry man. That was low key super emotional.

[@irrelevantotaku]

I think that Judy's chip is just a modification of the doll chips already installed

[@RogueFox2185]

David’s a better protagonist to me than V, he actually had personality and his journey into achieving Lucy’s dream along with becoming a legend was a nice ending to his story.

[@adamyoung6797]

That’s the trouble with voice acted RPGs. They use a blank slate character

[@marvinsalmeron585]

In all fairness we can’t compare anime characters to any video game rpg. Rpg usually have blander slates for characters to account for the different outcomes available

[@Nevouti.x]

@@adamyoung6797 I think that's why cyberpunk fails, it doesn't have a blank slate because most choices have very little meaning and Johnny takes away player choice by doing things against your control, a better way of doing so would be mass effect, which has a voiced protagonist that exists as a character, but you get to see the custom character you made, and they're a lot more of a blank slate letting you tell your story through them

[@name1585]

1:14:06 it is honestly so disappointing that adam smasher doesnt use sandevistan, imagine this: you pull out your katana, then use sandevistan to get close, but then, all of a sudden, adam grabs your hands, breaks them, and then says: “i can do that too”. This then prevents you from using two handed stuff, and you can only use a pistol. This then forces you to use a pistol, and use your environment to kill smasher, and using a clever use of strategy, sandevistan, and the environment, you finally kill him.

[@twohorsesinamancostume7606]

In other words, how to piss off the player by negating how they built their character.

[@GaminexPro]

@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 Utilizing/Taking away mechanics to have players feel certain emotion is among many tools you get to create memorable battles or sequences. People remember the Mr.Freeze boss in Arkham because they have to use all of their tools in an increasingly more dangerous environment, or The End from Snake Eater for how much longer and more methodical it is (Which you can bypass by not playing the game for a week or shooting their wheelchair). Adam Smasher is an end-game threat, he should not be the effortlessly disposable goon he is in the game. He should be the strongest adversary you'll have to face and put V's skills to the test; IMO I wouldn't have even had V capable of Soloing them and required help from at least 1-2 of the allies they established through the game.

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

@@GaminexPro Changing the rules of the game for the last boss fight is an incredibly stupid idea.

[@GaminexPro]

@@G-Mastah-Fash Execution and design is all that matters. You don't need to change rules if the game executes a proper challenge and builds up to the player confronting it. As it is now, Adam Smasher is the same "epic" confrontation as most open world RPGs where you can make a dumb busted character as a consequence of the RPG design. Whether you like the Souls series or not, most people can quickly recall names of fondly remembered or agitating boss fights quicker in those games compared to any boss in Skyrim, Fallout, or CP2077.

[@Aurora-bv1ys]

now he does

[@Davjose37]

19:59 For empathy part I feel David did have empathy mainly cause he was going to school that he knew he didn’t fit into and still endured it, I feel empathy can be done in many ways without having to show emotion or say exactly how one is feeling.

[@xd666xd]

09:13 Damn! So, CYBERPUNK 2O77 eyes implants're as usefull as DEUS EX eyes augmentations regarding the plot; since in both cases u still can't use them to record vids of the villains' crimes in the act & confessions about them, with the eyes of the playable character.

[@MeteorArchive]

Judy didn't invented martial arts chipware, she just modified the doll chip of Tom.

[@metroidserver]

9:43 I pretty sure in the game Takemura went after V and to use him/her as evidence to prove that Yorinobu in fact killed Saboru. Edit: also I think CD should have done a standlone Cyberpunk game in 2077 time, y'know like the witcher but in Cyberpunk 2077 style or 2020 style.

[@MrBingogogo]

It's not an RPG and it's barely cyberpunk. As a fan of the 2020 tabletop, it was heartbreaking to see this shooter wearing its skin like a suit.

[@Sound557]

Let’s hope to God that CDPR gets around to watching this masterpiece of a video.

[@sibusiso2841]

Edge runner's story could've been implemented into Panam's side quest. I don't think its too crazy to make this a side quest since The Witcher 3 had quest like the Bloody Baron and the Quest where you help influence the outcome of who becomes leader of Skellige.

[@TheDorianTube]

You're comparing David's power to that small militia, saying that thanks to that he should overpower Smasher, but you're not comparing Smasher's own powers to that same small militia. The Cyber Skeleton was originally meant for Adam, but he pointed out multiple times how he sees that technology as subpar. Hinting at the fact that his current self is stronger than that ''upgrade'', so stronger than the small militia and stronger than David

[@boredinczechia4382]

Having romance options based on voice and body type? So, just like in a real life for 95% of population of Earth.

[@c.christopher6115]

The Jackie montage should have been the game, the heist could be the final mission, but they had to shoehorn Keanu Reeves into the game

[@Mayhzon]

I feel bad for the original writers here as well as Keanu Reeves. His good name dragged through the mud because the teamleads mismanaged the whole creation process. Who the F thinks it's a good idea to halfway re-do a project 50% in anyway? Only people who overestimate the available resources, that's who!

[@pizzamechman8380]

Babe wake up theres a 80 minute video essay for a game franchise

[@Rieneger]

In terms of gameplay, I would’ve preferred 2 styles: 1) Mass Effect Squad based over the shoulder RPG. This would enable the protagonist to spend more time around other characters who specialize in their field and use them in unique squad combinations to fit their playstyle. A netrunner supporting you from the Web but is unable to help physically, a Techie who can buff and support the squad with gear and gadgets, a chromed out soldier who can tank damage and create openings in combat, an agile assassin who can dish out tons of damage up close with deadly cybernetics, etc. 2) XCOM turned based squad tactics. This can really help the game stay in line with how the board game was. Multiple mechanics can be added for cyberpsychosis, characters can have large ability pools and customizable loadouts, the story can be more linear and focused, more impactful dialogue options, and you can actually see your character so customizing them will actually make sense.

[@AdurianJ]

How did you not remember Jackie dying. The first time i played Cyberpunk i was pissed because CDPR had basically spoiled the first hours of gameplay.

[@anarkopatrioten4181]

Even though they ironed out some of the bugs, It still feels heavily undercooked and un-fleshed out.

[@dustind3960]

Like where is the endgame repeatable missions. Even metal gear solid 1 had a lot more replayable missions by repeatable play strory every missions then cyberpunk 2077 has which is only 1 mission amd running around blocke to even find small groups of enemy npc to fight

[@dustind3960]

I am also dissapointed that most rpg elements would stripped out of cyberpunk real story choices and wall running wall climbing and choosing to take jackie wells to chapter 1 hiest or to so in solo. I do want like just how underused jackie and tbug were uses then murdered off. I would of like the option to shoot dexter deshawn myself

[@exysa2798]

Because Cyberpunk was made by inexperienced amateurs. Thats why its so trash

[@exysa2798]

@@dustind3960 Cyberpunk 2077 was made by inexperienced amateurs and scammers. Thats why its so trash. CDPR will go bankrupt soon anyways because almost everyone refunded Cyberpunk 2077

[@jax6815]

Rogue snitched btw. Thats why Grayson, the Arasaka guy knew her. She was the reason Johnny got captured. Thats why she felt so guilty around Johnny and Johnny said he sensed she was hiding something.

[@alexandrecampos1391]

They didn't even get the Aesthetics right. I thought this was supposed to be 80s retro future.

[@Hollo0w]

Non existing cyberpsychosis in the game pissed me off too, because i loved the very first teaser/trailer of Cyberpunk 2077. I guess this was supposed to be main theme of the game initialy but some tool thought it would be too dark for kids, so they made it all about some edgy rocker played by Keanu 😔

[@onewanderingbee]

Most of the problems with the game are core to it's design. You can't just fix the abrupt death of Jackie. You can't fix that Johnny Silverhand has a braindead anti-corpo stance almost entirely devoid of nuance. You can't fix that getting shitloads of cybernetics doesn't have negative impacts on the player in ways that are felt IN THE WORLD rather than just as stats. Or that they have clumsily implemented old-hat armor systems "this T-shirt gives me 20 more armor than the ACTUAL armor I was just wearing". Or that the hacking is, at the moment, completely outshined by a solo-dev indie team that made Deadeye Deepfake Simulacrum, a better cyberpunk game than what should have been THE cyberpunk game in CP2077. The game's choices are almost devoid of impact. The characters are uninspired and the only ones I thought didn't bore me completely to death were the standout Jackie, and at least for ME, Panam and her questline. It's just damn sad to me that all these actual professionals came together to make something THIS shit, and I don't even mean on a technical level, but a creative one.

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

The car physics in the anime makes me think its like from the game

[@miller42]

Cyberpunk 2077 could have been interesting if we played the main character in the story instead of listening to Silverhand's endless "dude, corpos bad" rants.

[@exysa2798]

Cyberpunk 2077 was made by inexperienced amateurs and scammers. Thats why its so trash. CDPR will go bankrupt soon anyways because almost everyone refunded Cyberpunk 2077!!

[@CoolSs]

This actually made me realize how good the tabletop game is . too bad i am not into tabletop games or has any friends who into it either .

[@Redmanticore]

you are right. it wasnt strictly cyberpunk the game, it was keanu reeves the game. game could have been totally different if studio didn't decide to force keanu reeves in and everything scrapped because of it.

[@Talulah_Artorius]

So regarding the plot hole in act 1, it's actually explained very early, the reason we can look at evelynn's memories is because of the doll chip, you can't really look into people's memories as easily, specific implants or procedures are required, you either require specific braindnace implants, doll implants, or to be already brandead and get lobotomized, which I guess they could've done with Jackie's body (?). Regardless neither Jackie nor V had implants that could allow them to "record" Yorinobu's crime

[@MuscleOtaku]

if that leak about Johnny only meant to be a small part of the game is true then that explains why the story felt weirdly patched imo. they should of focused more on the roles you choose. i would of loved being able to choose what gang to be apart of and built a story around that.

[@sgtmind2496]

Great video as always, Cyberpunk (or at least Shadowrun) has always been on imterest to me, is nice to see someone who actually has knowledge of the TTRPG