How Do I Play Battleships Against Subs & Carriers?

[@rreno496]

The addition of Subs has killed the game for me. Carriers are annoying but can be tolerated, another class that spams skill walls and is even harder to spot (not to mention the whole ping and guided torpedo mechanic) is just a bit more than I'm willing to put up with.

[@northernzeus768]

What great timing. Just played a T10 in my Kremlin. Got burned down by a Eagle in 4 minutes. Shot my main guns 5 times. Fun and engaging.

[@Kii_to_Victory]

I know the feeling. Although, I find CVs to be less annoying compared to HE spammers such as the Bourgogne and Conqueror. One match in my Kremlin, a combo of Bourgogne, Conqueror, a Gouden Leeuw and either a T10 CV or a super CV. Those bastards set 11 double fires. Nowadays, I stay at mid to long ranges

[@chillylytical9410]

I feel like kremlin now is a pale empty shell of what it used to be. Focused in the first 5 mins cause hoho 15km detect and you are shot before the dd gets spotted. And the guns, they are ok but if you are barred from getting into mid range, they just suck at that point.

[@luke_3_113]

I haven't been enjoying the game much lately - so this is a good idea - have a rethink about how I play, and see if I can improve the experience... (Personally, I'd like to be able to play without subs or CVs in the game, or at least limited to 1 per class.)

[@chloekaftan]

or just make the team size higher so we have more AA cruisers and anti-SS destroyers to deal with 2 CV + 2 SS matches.

[@Yo_Hahn]

I would pay to have the chance to play without them.

[@NWVicious7676]

I started as a BB main. Like you, I loved the aggressive, brawling, tank style of play. Which is why when I found your channel, I was all ears(still am). I loved the feeling of getting in the mix and making my presence felt. But with CV’s the way they are and now subs, I rarely play BB’s. To the point where I reset multiple BB lines just to get the credits to start grinding DD’s. I find DD play more fun, engaging, complex and quite honestly more relaxing. The ability to pick and choose my engagements at my convenience rather than being constantly spotted by god knows what and having no other choice but to run, or push and willingly throw my ship away. Thanks for all the content. Your insight in all your videos have helped me become a WAY better player. My win rate has increased dramatically since I started watching your content and applied it to my play.

[@RandomName55]

With the trifecta of subs, cv, and super ships it's just time for some ishizuchi and Giulio Cesare my man.

[@michylogos4612]

I think its time for my fuso

[@ColCurtis]

I agree, I have been playing lower tier that way you avoid the overpowered cv

[@TheRussian1]

The problem is 1. accuracy at low tiers is ass 2. even tier 5 battles are full of bots sadly :(

[@RandomName55]

@@TheRussian1 my guy did you just rez a year old KZbin comment? Lol but for real try out ishizuchi it's actually pretty accurate. Also don't worry, bots and non-full games are hitting high tiers now too thanks WG :)

[@TheRussian1]

Just came back to the game, trying to catch up on years of missed updates lol. The state of low tiers is really sad, especially since its full of awesome WW1 ships. I remember back in 2016 I wouldn't see a bot past Tier...2/3? Still a fun game and nothing better out there but.....honestly feels like it's gone backwards since 2016-18. @@RandomName55

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Something I have been struggling with for some time is that there's just too much DPM being thrown around at higher tiers. Tanking has become impossible because everything just keeps shooting at you, which means risky plays aren't rewarded and farming becomes prioritised over killing. Something that really doesn't help is battleship RNG ensuring that your guns can't do damage at the moment they most need to, whereas smaller guns have the luxury of rate of fire and also being able to go dark when they please.

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

you hit the nail on the head. this is exactly why I don't like to play bb's. i don't like waiting 30s to shoot again, and I don't like being rng'd out of dmg if I aim correctly. i much prefer dd's because with map awareness you can usually choose when and where to fight, and I like cruisers for exactly the reasons you mentioned: high dpm and better dispersion. If I aim a salvo poorly, I get another chance in 7 seconds, so no big deal. i feel bad for bb's when they have 4 flamethrowers focusing them down. they have no counter to this (other than being blessed with the best rng ever and dev striking everyone shooting at them), yea right.

[@Tenjac]

The lower player count of ranked helps. Preferring it lately.

[@armoredfrost]

In my experience there's an increasing frequency of passive play, and teams with passive BBs often find themselves herded into a corner, leading to defeats, or worse, a blow out. Submarines just ruin the experience.

[@leebenson4874]

To defeat subs is a team play. You need to watch at all times where they are and to push them under as much as pos till a DD has time/opportunity to assist the team for the kill. Patience!!

[@V1P3RR11]

@@leebenson4874 if only DDs were actually effective against subs . Plane ASW is far better than those back launched DD shenanigans. Also , are you seriously suggesting "teamplay" in a random battle ?

[@leebenson4874]

@@V1P3RR11 You can play team play by yourself just watch the battle and play off what your team is doing. Yes, DD's are effective if you play them right. I now have 17 sub kills in the last 15 battles that had subs in them. JGD!!! WR in these battles is 14-1-0 and I have a WR of 49.5 over all with 23k battles/18k in the U.S.S. Benson.

[@vampirecount3880]

@@leebenson4874 If you need to count on teamplay to beat a single enemy ship he already won. You need to coordinate with multiple ships to take one down, require some complex coordination, need to divert multiple assets to deal with just one enemy, then math is against you. Some sub players can win the game by just yoloing the middle of the map and being a nuisance in the back of the enemy's spawn. If 2, 3 or more ships needs to hunt him down, its one ship holding off multiple. There is no counter for a sub that knows how to play, except for another equally competent sub in the other side. We are just lucky that 99,9% of people playing subs are very "special" people. The rare games where an over 55% sub player is around is a fucking nightmare.

[@leebenson4874]

@@vampirecount3880 Almost all kills are team kills as you rarely kill an enemy by yourself. First someone may spot him then someone may turn him for any number of reasons giving you a killing shot. This is a team kill but their was no big collaboration between the team mates involved. It's just you having situation awareness and playing off the moves of your team mates.

[@icypolar2294]

Playing battleships and heavy cruisers can be fun these days but I find it pretty boring to be at the back. I don’t usually play light cruisers but it is fun to sit behind an island in a Wooster and farm out some BBs that are pushing alone. By far though DDs is where I’m having the most fun, and I never played DDs very much before this update. I’ve been playing the F. Sherman and it’s super fun to chase down some subs and outgun almost everything. Yesterday I had 2 back to back krakens, where I killed one sub and the CV. Sherman is definitely where I’m having the most fun these days.

[@Cactusjugglertm]

It's not JUST about the state of the ships and the content/balancing from WG's side. It's also about the playerbase evolving into a meta and becoming better. (Yes, the secondary nerf didn't help either, I know)

[@Bluegumtiger]

I think the playerbase has evolved into newer players rushing to tier 10 and then trying to learn to play

[@brucemc1581]

@@Bluegumtiger I 100%…. I was one of them. Now I mostly play between 6 and 9.

[@pgornicki]

better ? XDDD

[@stevenhoelker3949]

There is no meta when a fkn sub pops up 4km from ur bbs w/o being spotted to slam u with 6 torps ending ur match within the first 3-5mins

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

You are one of my top three players I go to for advice. The other two struggle just like you do with subs. Which tells me that there is in fact no real counterplay. Which gives me comfort for the fact that I am clueless on how to deal with them. I play a lot of CA's and I'm fine with those, but grinding out the German BC's is near impossible now. They have no range, and I often get pinged 2 minutes into the game, and from that moment on all I do is try - unsuccessfully - to not get torped. Subs are fucking cancer, pardon my language. In Yamato and similar ships it's easier, but anything with less than 20 km range is fucked, unless you have an island hugging cruiser with radar and hydro. I have no idea where this is going but subs are harder to deal with for me than CV's, something I'd never thought I'd say.

[@CesarinPillinGaming]

Agree... it gets worse when said sub and the cv both concentrate on you all the match. It ceases to be fun. There is nothing "engaging" or "fun" about that.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Now I feel justified taking range mod on my Incomparable. But the problem is that everything has too much range, especially at t10.

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

@@waverleyjournalise5757 WG decides the meta. A player tries to go against it at his peril.

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

@@CesarinPillinGaming None whatsoever.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

@@AllAhabNoMoby so WG decided the Asian meta?

[@3dPropheta]

They just introducing one more grief tool to players, ain't we got enough of that already.

[@leesargent65]

Thanks for the video, your conclusion re bbs is the same as mine, push in and get smashed, sit back and get bored. I am playing more cruisers and dds. Not a dd player until about a month ago and I am really enjoying playing dds at tier 3 and 4 even if I suck. To anyone who just plays one ship type, definitely try others. It adds more interest and has given me even more respect for those that can play dds really well. There is a reason why they are few and far between. It also gives you a better understanding of the game in general. Its also a case of accepting there will be more really bad games. Had one in Seattle where I pushed in to get within range, got repeatedly smashed by Eagle supercarrier which is so overpowered it does not matter what your AA is like, then a broadside hit by a pushing bb with cv spotting and finally one more strike by Eagle and it was all over without me having a shot on a single ship. Yes, a lot of this is skill and positioning (or lack thereof), but for the majority who, like me are average or worse, it just makes it harder and more miserable. You can't hit anything if you cannot get in range even if you are super unicum. As for subs, no idea. When I have had success it has been teamwork, which as suggested below, is very rare in randoms. An important point, particularly for newbs, is do not try and progress up the tiers too quickly. This has always been the case, but now even more so, since you will continually be killed so quickly you will have no chance of learning anything. Its definitely a case of adapting, which is much easier if you are already good at the game so please keep sharing your vids as it really helps. Now that WOWS ownership has changed, though we really do not know what it will mean, I do hope the continual power creep is brought under control before the game descends into absurdity.

[@magicthings5485]

Many agree, that's why each team now regularly have 5 dds

[@Fubblin]

Right after you talked about Super Carrier power level the United States took a GK down from 35k to 0 in 1 torpedo strike.

[@deaninchina01]

I've moved back to a lot of Halland recently, found it to be great fun in solo randoms with Jerzy on board and getting a 60% WR. Had days of over 70% WR. Halland is probably over 75% of my random games at the moment. Actively hunt planes to get the 20 needed for the 10% AA buff to trigger. You can almost do that with one DFAA getting a flight plus spotting planes. either you shoot down 70 planes and the CV is effectively taken out, or he buggers off to the other side of the map and I have free reign. Run RPF so you can be aggressive on push, plus you need to know where enemies are because the camping meta of ASIA server means you are often on your own with little accurate support. A rudimentary radar with unlimited range, which never runs out, is a mandatory skill on an information gathering ship! Aggressive play still works well, eventually your bbs will move up and you get crossfire torp opportunities if you push. As a dd you can always come back if it doesn't go well. Torp on cooldown at a target, or blind based on RPF bearing. With the tight spread its not too hard to get at least one 5% torp reload boost. Best I have had recently with 3 times prokking and some AR assistance was a 52 sec reload. 15km range is fabulous because CVs are spotting bbs. I will very often target further back bbs because they expect the front bbs to be torped. Subs are easier with Halland's front firing mortar so you have a bit more flexibility in fighting subs from range, but I mostly leave them for ships with ASW planes, chasing subs takes too long for bugger all reward. If my support ships are not watching and taking them out in the middle of the map then they will pay the price, I'm not going back unless its very late game and I have no other targets I can get to in that time. Having said that I mostly play CB and ranked these days, the smaller team format is fabulous and you can expect a bit better game play from the face on keyboard antics of a lot of players, especially those in Tier 11 ships.......... Play ships you really love. I would really really hate to be grinding a lot these days, would be awful. I play Tier X almost exclusively so there is at most only 1 CV; the very common 2 CV games in T8 and below are horrific.

[@gblowe62]

Just today. 1 t8 cv 1 t10 cv. 2 t10 subs. 1 t8 sub..... The best fun and engaging match ever, said nobody.

[@andraskovacs8959]

Tell Flamu about the "having fun" part... he doesn't seem to get it...

[@danielpayne1597]

Legit I watch PQ over Flamu because of that. I agree with Flamu's cynicism a lot but he is not entertaining to watch and his vids drag on with gripes the whole way. Meanwhile PQ will point out flaws and problems but also laugh and have a good time while making his points. I literally jumped ship on a Flamu vid 7 minutes in to come watch this.

[@alilabay]

Like you I started BB main. With time I started playing DDs and CAs. The game was like rock paper and scissors. You know which is which. Then we got CVs it broke the balance of the rock paper scissors. But it was still playable and enjoyable. Then come the rework of the CV. I feel like the game became more and more passive as WG release ship lines. Every game need balance and when you put new class you have to make weaknesses so that it will not break the balance. And for a game the was rock paper and scissors there is no other thing you can put the will keep the balance in check. I still play but after 3 4 games I start feeling like it is not fun. I had more fun in lower tiers and start to go back. Although the player base is not as experienced as higher tiers but I play for fun. Hope you continue with the videos I like you content keep up

[@hughejass9461]

I've been staying at the mid tiers and avoiding T9 and T10. Mid tiers are still fun, to a point, and cruisers can still be influential as long as they don't push early. In DDs I've been spotting and not pushing early. I haven't been playing BBs at all, other than ranked, due to the subs and CV issues.

[@boccaboi]

I've been dunking on subs with daring. that 3 minute hydro is clutch. it's almost always up when you stumble on a sub

[@Miggs757]

Nailed it on my take with regard to BB play - passive and from within close proximity of other friendly surface ships. Light cruisers I play much the same - waifu an island near friends and fire away. When (if) the CVs and subs are killed, I get more aggressive. Heavy carriers - I play them mid range to support CLs and DDs. I never go out solo to a flank and make sure I remain near friends to avoid being focused by ping spam from subs, and incessant CV attacks. I don't play much in the way of DD, but when I do, I make sure there are cruisers relatively close by. Basically, you nailed it - passive play. Near friends is key in my book. On a related note, it's funny that WeeGee releases all of these German BBs with OMFG secondaries, then they change the meta and sort of force you to play form the rear. It's almost a bait and switch to get you to pay FXP and get those brawling ships, then introduce subs that force you into a more passive stance. Like others, I'm not enjoying the game right now. I almost feel obligated to play with mechanics against which there is little to no mitigation - I'm talking about subs. They outspot you. they out spam you with pings. Home torps, though not as bad as they were before, are still bad. Solution - play something else until this madness is over. Thanks for the vids/content, PQ! You rock.

[@brokeafengineerwannabe2071]

That’s the neat part, you don’t.

[@sameerkharade7750]

Exactly.

[@Kazrael]

Was gonna post just this

[@OhnoesFroz]

If battleship play were half as aggressive as the monetization, I'd still be playing this game.

[@JLewisRacing927]

Unfortunately I have dropped my recent gaming in WOWs to less than 20 games a week when it used to be over 100. I myself haven't been able to figure out how to enjoy the game in recent times. I have been almost playing CBs only but with those ending I'm at a loss.

[@richardburger4859]

Absolutely nothing good to say about the "invisible boats," dont know how many times Ive been trying to dodge a ship that I have no ability to spot and thus counter. DDs dont actively hunt them in any game Ive played, and they usually sail right up the middle, spot and torp never being spotted. As for CVs, well the OP versions were bad enough, now we have superCVs. The entire "Supership" debacle makes the teir 10s that you worked so hard to get pretty much a waste of time. As for the CVs, when they can continually strike you and you have virtually no defense its just doesnt make the game any better. Every ship in the game that can encounter a sub should have Hydro and the air dropped depth charges. Its insane that you have zero hope of spotting a sub, while its surfaced, hell even a Shima is out spotted by the sub. Not so long ago folks complained about BBs sitting at max range and not being effective, well WG improved the secondaries, did away with deadeye and BBs started engaging closer. Now we are back to BBs sitting as far back as they can or finding islands to sit behind so they dont get stealth torped or perma-spotted while the other team burns them to the keel. Nothing good about any of this.

[@st_cuthbert544]

2 tips to have more fun in a bb: -If there is a CV in the game (tx) head for the BEST aa ship your team has and stick to it like glue (3-4km). Get over the part where you don`t want to and do it and your games WILL improve. (I love my GK and hated playing it vs carriers, especially FDR... doing this though changed that (also build Gk Snipefurst accuracy mod + range mod so you have the option of doing reliable ranged damage). -If there are subs: As soon as you here the "subs spotted" sound check if it is in bombing range, yes -> BOMB IT last known position, only torps visible you see a ping any indicator BOMB IT! You'll miss a lot, it takes a lot of practise to become good at this you'll get them. - If the sub goes for you: CHARGE IT (NOT in a DD!!!)! You'll eat some torps (and DD's die here) some you can dodge (the torps' path is bound to the EXACT shippart pinged so if it is your stern or bow you can manipulate them around you or into islands (or teammates if you're especially evil... :D ) the subplayer has no control. The underwatertime of subs is limited and when it gets to you it`s usually pretty low (

[@deaninchina01]

Its almost suicidal with almost no upside to hunt SS in a DD early to mid game. Plus this is a game were rewards are based on farming damage. Why spend at least 5 minutes hunting (with not much guarantee of success of finding them) chasing a sub so the farming BBs can sit at the back of the map and get a huge reward for racking up damage while you protect them for no reward?

[@st_cuthbert544]

Damage is not what gives you rewared its %damage of max HP and subs have very low max HP: Xp Pinata's. And the sub usually doesnt get to you before 15:00 (unless you push way to early with your bb).

[@deaninchina01]

@@st_cuthbert544 xp piñata which takes you forever to find, which any ASW planes can beat you to the punch. No thanks

[@st_cuthbert544]

@@deaninchina01 well if you don`t find him he will get you. not much of a choice i`m afraid. Like leaving a DD alive in your backline.

[@Mr_King96]

The way i deal with this new meta is very cosistent and i manage to get a great deal of enjoyment out of it. I tend to play Bloons Tower Defense 6 while listening to Avatar the last Airbender in the background. The trick is keeping WOWS uninstalled from my PC - it works like a charm

[@thetrixxx1654]

CHAD

[@hiddentruth1982]

I use to love wows and the subs were just the last straw as to why I quit playing it.

[@Drunk_n_Sailr]

My strategy is to find other games that I really enjoy too. It's not that I don't enjoy WoWS anymore, I like it from time to time. But I just can't play more than 5 games or so before I ask myself why I'm playing WoWS while I could be having much more fun in let's say Destiny or Satisfactory.

[@taluthus610]

I have just got off the back of a bunch of really successful Ruprect matches last night. One thing that I've learnt is that you just cannot push in unless you really have support, but if you get it, like a friendly DD smoking up for you, you can be really aggressive still. Another great change is the fact that you can see sub pings so you can attempt to 'blindfire' a sub with some level of success with your planes.

[@TNKHART]

I've been playing less and less. I too want to enjoy the game but trying to relearn playing a BB with subs. For me, it's frustrating. Appreciate this vid PQ!!

[@BAZZA453]

concealment concealment focal firing thats all you get now and a hundred torpedoes which most older battleships find impossible to get out the way

[@chrisbonnett6783]

Yep. You're on it. I play back a lot now. I only move in when the flank is clear and my long guns reach B from C or A. In standard battles, I always cover the flag until it's not necessary. Plus, set up possible crossfire based on where enemy players would likely push in.

[@bustermorley8318]

Almost gave up playing since subs come back. Might try giving up tanking and brawling and see how I go. Not really excited about just lobbing shells 20 kms all game though. I also used to love light cruisers but without brawling battleships to distract the enemy they now seem to be relegated AA support, at least early in the game.

[@wokechoke6845]

Nothing beats the fun and engaging game play of burning my superheal to break an idiotic lock from a submarine.

[@N1njaSnake]

The answer is: you don't play until WG removes the frigging subs.

[@greatmatt301]

There is the game that NA and EU player want to play which is more aggressive medium range engagements (for BB's IDK much about cruisers and DD's) but the game WEEGEE wants us to play is a more passive fire support role pushing up with your teammates (the best way to counter CV's) only when your screen of DD's indicates it's safe to. The inclusion of russian CV's that heavily punish ships that get close to their hull and subs pretty much proves this, not to mention that cancer of being a BB and trying to even modestly push up with a DD anywhere on that flank. I have been trying to just say fuck it and snipe or hunker on an island nose in playing shima levels of passive do nothing gameplay.

[@iceman9678]

One key with battleships is to use your reload time wisely --> survey the map, consider your targets, position yourself so your shots are at the edge of your range, fire.....survey the map.....

[@David-cu6lt]

Yea it dont matter what ship - BB, DD or cruiser, dont matter. The answer is play passive, dont push and spam torps and HE. If you push you get no support, get focused and die. there you go!!!! tactics for a thinking mans action game!!! lol

[@Kazrael]

Uninstalled the game today after a couple of very frustrating dual submarine with cv games, time for some Elden Ring

[@skunky1-1]

Somehow elden ring seems more fair than fighting against cvs and subs.

[@CelticSmithBlacksmithing]

Thx for not bitching about how the game sux now because actual realism. A great attitude of accepting change in today's game. Thx again for the content.

[@VulpseiusFox]

My approach was I uninstalled. I don’t have any enjoyment in the game anymore, and like you said, it’s not worth it if it’s not fun or enjoyable. If others are still having fun… somehow… then go for it, keep playing. As for me though, I’m moving on. I’ll keep checking on it with videos and stuff cuz that’s still enjoyable, but I’m not playing for myself anymore unless they do something that drastically changes my mind. And I don’t have anyone to play with either so that definitely supports me not playing anymore. If the only way to have any fun in this game is to play with others then I’m just out of luck then. So may as well not push myself further with suffering solo. I do not like world of warships at all anymore in its current state.

[@donnybrook23]

Firstly love your thoughts as always - keep up the good work. Sadly I am also missing the ability to be aggressive in BBs. The SEA server is full of CV players - so very common (particularly on weekends) to get 2CV games where if you are anywhere on your own you get the absolutely S*&^% spammed out of you with no real ability to counter this other than try to stay close to something that has 'some' AA (i will not use the word "Good"). Rapid fire spam just means you dont want to be the closest target so this leads to a strategy of sitting at the back near other ships. Subs have just added another reason not to be in close - SOOO MUCH FUN. I therefore don't play top tier BBs often anymore because there is just no fun in it, I will either play DDs, or T8 and below because still a small amount of fun to be had. My other frustration with randoms (when playing DDs particularly) is the concept of shoot the stuff I am spotting (particularly enemy subs, dds and radar cruisers) is just crap - most of the BB players in their Yammy, Shiki, Thunderer, Conqueror, Slava, Montana etc are just too busy sniping other BBs to focus on priority targets, and communication is pretty much non existent in chat. It's also why I have jumped onto any of the alternate battle modes they offer e.g. convoy, dirigible derby, savage battle - yes these modes aren't perfect and have their own issues, but at least they offered more close quarters engagement and less CVs, subs, sniping and spam

[@harrytjokroaminoto9212]

SEA server is rampant with its dog eating chinese paypig player with zero english knowledge. They play 200 battle in their account, decided to bought high tier ship with no knowledge on how to play it, and finally become a burden with every match they had.

[@jamesharrington001]

I've been playing a lot more T5 lately, mostly because I've got a GC and been seal clubbing. Granted it still sucks to get a CV/Sub game, but it's not as bad at that level. Other than that, more T8 games as well, to avoid the super ships. Oh! and adding in AA skills on captains too.

[@fallright-]

Yeah me and my friends are playing T5 to T8 max. And when we use 3 T8 ships we get a T10 game 😠😠

[@federicotisera6084]

After three years in the game, two weeks ago, i unlocked the second tier x tech tree battleship; The Republique. The GK was the first, and i played that ship a lot. But unlocking the Republique was something fantastic. The effective, if sometimes trollish, long range artillery and strong punching power feels really good. But the trait that really kinda baffled me was the speed. I found that fast battleships are not exactly the most preferred targets of subs or cvs;thats not gonna stop from attacking, but you are not the first on their sights either.

[@deaninchina01]

Hehe Republic guns are ALWAYS trollish!! It’s hilarious being in our clans discord and listening to one of our guys who plays republic a bit. He goes from ecstasy to raging at that trollling rng!

[@Franktds1980]

Happens the same to me. I tend to play very agressive with CAs and Large Cruisers, Stalin, alaska, Agir... but lately I just melt, since I'm spotted from the start till I die. So yeah, I changed my gameplay to Super-passive artillery backup which ends up being a bit boring, and in worst cases, I depend a lot of my dd's, subs and cv to be competent which is not always the case. When my dd's die and I have nothing but 2 heavy cruisers and a suiciding Neptune to spot or screen the incoming torps, its game over.

[@LegionaryOfRome]

I am a Woostah main. American CL's are support ships. I build it AA (which includes ASW as well) as the meta requires and YES I still enjoy 4.6 sec reload. Full AA worcester is the best AA in the game. It is very good and I do tonnes of damage to planes, stopping strikes. As plane damage is rewarded now, protecting my bad AA teammates are very fun for me. I am helping them carrying our match. They experienced such horrors from CV's in the past, they LOVE me lol :D Apart from that, I am doing some classic Worcester stuff. Extreme dpm, 2nd highest fire-per-minute ship in the game, radar, hydro pushing, dfaa, DD hunting, submarine bombing etc... WORCESTER SPAM IS THE REDEMPTION BOYS LEESSSS GOOOOO

[@leebenson4874]

My win rate is way up now as I play only the U.S.S. Benson and find most of my battles in T-10. The way is to never fire my guns till close to the end. You need to watch what the subs/CV are doing at all times and to assist as much as you can. When you see the CV attacking a sub put yourself in pos to attack him after the CV leaves him and he returns to the surface. CV's like before is to stay unknown for as long as pos. Time is your friend, use it! Not getting big #'s but WR is good and having fun as well. This is just the start but TIME!!!

[@KawaiiKatarina]

Boss: How do we make Battleships equally risky as Destroyers? We don't want people to just play a safe class. Employee: We could increase the post-battle cost for the ship so that players will have to try extra hard to pay off their large ships. Boss: Okay, I like that idea! Employee: We can also add CVs and Submarines to make it impossible for BBs to dodge a single torpedo and make them take 4 fires from every air bomb and rocket while oneshotting them and making them pay 300k post-battle cost because they did 0 damage. Boss: What?... Employee: Sorry boss, I was just suggesting... Boss: THAT'S BRILLIANT! You're our employee of the year!

[@hwill2453]

My strat with subs... 1. Play ranked not random. Havent seen a sub there in a while. 2. Bitch early and often to WG about subs. Maybe they will see the light and realize that subs will cost them money....not make it. As for CVs.... Again play ranked. They arent common at Gold and the T6 ones arent as bad at Bronze. Barring that....in random you can always div up with a good cv player and bring a good aa boat since you know you will have a CV.

[@Bist040]

My way of dealing with it: I stopped playing. Don't have the patience anymore. Which is sad, the game was so friggin good.

[@rustyshackleford9450]

best wows youtuber you CANNOT change my mind

[@captainworstpirateiveheard9842]

Last random my t5 BB just got nuked by a sub. There's no way to combat them and the planes limited to 4km suck. All while a CV is harassing me. WG should have a limit of pings once you repair or a cool down period or surface. Subs are bursting torps on the second ping and that's it for a BB, especially in a mid tier match

[@DocHock67]

My approach - after 5+ years and nearly 12k matches i finally deinstalled the game.

[@pcsproshop8972]

Unfortunately, I do agree. Although not a constant, most BB matches I have played (since the last update), have ended with either Humiliating Victory or Exasperating Defeat. 1st match in Preussen, sunk in less than 4 minutes without spotting anything but aircraft. No chance of catching them... so, 3 dev-strikes later (and naturally 4 sub torps, after dc'ing). just another REALLY EXPENSIVE LESSON!... That being said, I still really love the game. I just give up grinding anything. It cost me FAR too much aggravation. In situations I "FEEL LIKE" I have zero control of. After a two month grind, to a ship I've already played in PTS, you'd think it would be a bit more gratifying? So far, 0% in 5 missions with Preussen. If it's because I suck, well that just means that MORE than 50% of us suck worse... So tired of this, I dislike, HATING on a game I love to play... very disappointing... There has to be a better way than Hiding in the corner while team mates are smashed. While insults fly like shells & torps & bombs & pings after ping after ping & more torps. sry for the saline, but, I'm not playing co-op, it's not getting better & it's NOT going to change. If it weren't such a uniquely cool game, I'd NEVER play it again. IMHO

[@spiritusmundi5398]

One thing for sure, if you are in a battleship, always stay close to your team mates. If you are caught alone by a submarine (or a CV for that matter), you have little chance of surviving. Especially, if a sub decides to focus on you the entire time, you have no way to spot it without a friendly cruiser or destroyer being close to you and spotting the sub.

[@yourfavoritelawnguy2722]

As a former Cruiser main, with several over 60% and 70% win rates. I have not taken out anything other than DD's lately. Every time i play BB, my sides DD either instantly dies or leaves the enemy dd alone to chase and torp you all game. If i take out a cruiser, i have to either play a smoke/island camper, or try to hold a flank while my BB's won't come within 10km of a cap, while you get spotted and focused and overmatched to hell by the enemy bb's from 20km away. I only play dd's now because i know atleast 1 person is spotting, and stopping the enemy shima (thats literally in EVERY SINGLE MATCH EVER) that tries to get pass you to torp you backline bb's

[@ernesto906]

I stopped playing the game almost two years ago, because the CVs and the HE spam, now with the subs i dont think that i will comeback any time soon. Im playing legends on the ps4 though, playing in the couch, shorter games, shorter shooting distances and with CVs that arent that OP is still enjoyable.

[@guillaume5124]

Nowadays ranked and clan battles seasons are much more common than before, and they don't have subs (yet...) and CVs are banned from CBs So the best way to enjoy the game for me is simple : stay out of random battles as much as possible, and just play CBs and ranked. I can barely farm all of the steel provided by those modes anyway

[@deaninchina01]

Pretty much what I do as well. Randoms are nearly exclusively a Halland festivus. Best AA, best ASW on a DD with the ranged front firing mortars, fast, quick reload long range torps. Guns are a bit meh, but great for starting fires on flood-fixers.

[@eragonrank5303]

Yes, that's the correct mentality to approach problems with, less complaining and more working around it and figuring it out, I should really also apply it to my university studies :D On the matter of BB play style nowadays, as a German BB main, I find myself really switching to what you described before the subs even came back, like around 0.11.2. I played the the Bismarck to Preussen far back and preserved the HP of my ship, it's the patience and opportunity seeking that kind of gives me wins. Dropping a Full Secondary Spec for a Hybrid one and focusing on staying alive is granting me more wins than not, it kinda goes in line with the fact that BBs are meant to be huge targets that can soak punishment, but now instead of taking high intense fire, its more of constant fire over longer ranges at across a longer duration. Compared to back then, when you can go in early with your DD in a Bismarck and give cap support, you can't really afford to do it nowadays. Staying at around 15km range is as Flaze Derg stated, kinda considered close range enough for everyone to keep and eye on you, going closer than that is a big shoot me sign that flares up over your head. For any advice, its still the general ones, like, angle, watch crossfires and the such, just even less aggressive compared to before. Perhaps, just a slight perhaps, forsaking Concealment, with the amount of CVs and Subs around for even more Survivabilty like for example the Repair Party Readiness, the Vigilance, and mayhap even Furious might be the play? I am no expert and I don't have copius amount of Commander EXP to give it a try, but it's a theory.

[@armando2814]

i´ve the played the game when we already had CV´s and subs in normals so all my knowlodge from the game is playing against them, i played from IJN BB tier 3 all the way to tier X and pretty much had at least 1 CV or Ss in my games, and i got to say that i enjoy the game more when there are CV´s in my games because thats when i have vision of the enemy and i can start shooting and cunning my game plan, what i do is i pretty much advance far enough to be detected and then run back and is that attetion dragging as a battleship that opens a lot of oportunities to my team mates. because they always focus down the BB and i just repair most or at least some of the damage, of course i do not show my broadside, but i have found that way is the most helpful way to play around my team mates. It is even easier with Yamato, those guys get out of their way and even out of good spots just to be able to get some damage to Yamato, geez.

[@Desklamp1234]

the biggest problem i have with subs is that can replace a DD spot in the match but they dont play they same as a sub, so when you get no DDs there can be this long stalemate at the start because the cruiser dont want to push in and spot/cap

[@NickySRT]

Put CVs and Subs in there own game mode problem solved xD

[@SappeREffecT]

Can I just say PQ... Your attitude is awesome and frankly something we could do with more of. We all have our own issues with CVs and SSs in varying degrees but this sort of vid is exactly what we all need.

[@rallsanti]

One of the initial draws for me and most fun I have had in the game were two BBs within 6k slugging it out with secondaries.... I miss that gameplay... haven't seen that really since the commander rework. I kinda despise these new t11 ships and subs... they don't bring anything fun to the game for me at all and really at high tier if you're not queuing with a decent div, most games are gonna kind if suck.

[@Sven6345789]

a) BB: i play on long range. trying to score a few good hits without taking to many in return. push only in the end, depending on score. b) DD: I play aggressive, trying to kill other DDs, getting caps etc. c) CV: stay in the back, send in planes, and get hated and reported by everybody. d) CR: difficult. tried to kite with most but never scored to many hits. in Coop, i play ultra aggressive, but that playstyle would get you killed in random in the first few minutes. right now i either give close support to a DD in range or try to find an island to hide behind, deciding on where to commit. usually die, but game is more fun and i score more points.

[@metwo1492]

Question is, while the results may be better from the rear-echelon camping playstyle, do you enjoy it?

[@Virgilfinnatell]

While I don't enjoy subs and CVs, for me, subs are at least kind of bearable in BBs since their torps stop homing 2km away. The direction the ping came from is also obvious, so I angle about 30-40 away from the ping direction and once the torps pop up, because they are not homing anymore, a simple turn to dodge means you'll suffer a lot less damage, although I will say being changed relentlessly by a sub is not a great feeling.

[@freedan48blackstar35]

Honestly, I avoid high tier play, I quite happy playing my tier 5-7 ships. I don't like how long range sniper fest tier 9-10 is.

[@MistaCyber]

That’s my div there!

[@EgyptOverseerbb]

What is that navigator mod that replaces the compass?

[@loafman3552]

I just don't play t8-10 and I'm having a great time with the giulio and Agincourt. But the only way that you can have fun and do well is communication with ur team. But that's impossible these days to busy shouting at you for preserving ur ship from the immense challenges BB's face. Fire prevention does nothing and takes way to long to actually get the skill, cruisers in my opinion have way to much accuracy and range. Carriers need to have a set amount of aircraft or a substantially longer magic respawn time. And subs should not be able to ping and torp 6 or 7plus km especially when the have ludicrous stealth. That's what I think anyways sry for the rant.

[@kevsls7]

The inability to balance new offerings (to increase sales) is to me the worst part - the BB's I worked so hard to grind are now almost unplayable (especially the main line German BB's). Ships like the Forrest Sherman combined with CV's, subs and super ships have taken away much of the joy of playing this game. I agree with you so much when you said you have a few good / enjoyable games, followed by lots of frustration. The Ohio is also an example - it took me forever to grind the research points, and now most games I am singled out and deleted (its my fault too for sure, I am not the best player). Still love the game, but I had so much more fun a year ago for sure.

[@jk17781]

I've been playing less battleships honestly, and playing more light cruisers. Specifically ones like Minotaur with radar Specked Full AA and damage, Or Petro Or Worchester. Ive also been enjoying Austin. Unfortunately the downside of this meta is that you are going to have to accept less damage, because the increase in DD's and Subs and CV's have decreased the health pool. But ultimately It comes out to similar base EXP. That's what I've typically used to judge my play anyways since DD damage dealt is always lower than damage to a BB. Sometimes Ill have a 75K damage Schlieffen game and still come out to 2k base EXP because of this. On the bright side, with less battleships means less overmatch and devstrikes as a light cruiser player Or even most heavier cruisers. For my battleships, Schlieffen played carefully with a secondary/AA/concealment. (you play safe and only really fire when you are within secondary range.) I've found these ships are pretty good against subs too as long as you have spotting support. I play against subs the same way I play against DD's. I make assumptions on their positions and don't fuck with them unless I have spotting on them, support Via DD, Or I know I can charge them down with planes, secondary's and hydro. Ultimately I think AA skills are undervalued in this game taking a DPM loss to have the carrier bug off and focus someone else, or actually lose squads is a nice trade off. Sometimes they dont even end up getting too much damage on me.

[@magicthings5485]

I see a lot more woosters again, I guess subs and super cv are the reason.

[@kenpumphrey8384]

How to play a BB against CV and subs? You don't. There's a reason that BBs have been removed from every Navy. They're useless against them IRL and in this game.

[@Wernerrrrr]

As a DD main I don't really see my playstyle change. It's very hard to go after subs without hydro, but they rarely are a problem for me. I tend to choose DDs with hydro more often. The Groningen is becoming even better now. Very good hydro and very nice AA.

[@DotDotDotDashDashDashDotDotDot]

Well, it's historically accurate, on how Battleships are obsolete!(sarcasm) But I agree with the passive playstyle early game as a battleship, only pushing later on or when there's a hole in the enemy lines, what I found annoying and broken about subs is the ability to shotgun ships with torps that should not be a thing.

[@aaotcis]

When does 11.2 go live?

[@Aegis19731]

Sounds like most people are used to playing "World of Battleships". Those same people are the yolo solo people, and can't get used to playing this game as a team. I'm glad they added the CV's and the subs...I'm a cruiser player and it has upped my game and now I see more BB players working with their cruisers and DD's. Most youtubers for WoW's are just aggressive solo BB players, and lately they are the biggest complainers. Want to learn the game in 2022?, play as a team, with your cruiser team mates.

[@aaotcis]

As an original Alpha tester for WoWS, meta can stifle game play if a player focuses too much on this aspect. Doing so creates heavier burden on juggling stats in your head, second guessing risk management, which often creates a player trying to be PC in any given situation. In the development of the game, the damage creep mechanics was slowly cycled down to increase players enjoyment, much like Tanks (Original Beta tester)-- so this is where meta becomes a moot point for RNG players. My suggestion is focus on range, angles, and cover. Random battles is a mixed bag of opportunities, exploit them, but don't get caught up in trying to carry every game when random players do not share your ideals. Most importantly, have fun and when it's work, log out.

[@aa-ig3ng]

You can see how bad the meta has become when you div up with friends and get strike team after strike team achievement...

[@christopherwilson6724]

CVs and SUBx are the STD of Wows. The sub is the new DD for spotting and capping. The counter to subs is ships with planes that drop depth charges. Any DD that has to go over a sub is dead to the red shipmates. The dd role is spotting cruisers and BB then torps. The high rate of fire cruiser to be positioned near the cap to shoot subs , dd and pushing bb. The heave cruiser is to kill the high rate of fire cruisers. The bb is to kill cruisers and subs with depth charge planes. The cv and sub have no purpose so far ( I am open to revising this) so I have no comment.

[@Laivavihupaska]

My tactic will most likely be a range-mod Thunderer or a range-mod Hindenburg. Or even a range-mod Harugumo :D

[@aristosachaion_]

Starting out passive is really the only way to go in battleships these days, but it also sucks because if your DD makes a mistake and dies early, you just have no choice but to either face the heat head-on and hope you take someone with you, or you just kite away and do the same thing, but slower. There's just no way to make aggressive plays happen in a battleship, and what's funny about this is that if I'm playing a different class and I see someone on the enemy team trying to be aggressive, my default thought is, "wow look at this guy being an idiot" and I start farming them. It doesn't help either that when a small advantage presents itself, whether it's an enemy sinking or being too low on hp to continue, and I as a BB player try to leverage my hp advantage that I've been saving and force the enemy to either play ball or give up space, nobody on the team thinks to at least capitalize on the distraction I'm making and I just die for nothing. What I end up taking away from these experiences is that I should only play passive unless I can see that my entire flank wants to go for it, and only then do I follow.

[@Vyviel]

How do I fight a sub when I am a CV or a ship with no depth charges like the Kersarge

[@jamesduzan3345]

How did I adjust to the devs changing the game to sell subs? I uninstalled the game and I'm trying other games. WoW is not the game I used to play.

[@Carvetii]

the last 3 months i have been enjoying the game by simply not playing it. lol

[@grzegorzkapica7930]

How I see this game going? I play Satsuma and Ragnar. May be DM.

[@abhinavbodas]

I’m trying to play middle to start off with… something i picked up watching Flamu and even you (even though you don’t specifically call it out). Post that i move into positions that need me most based on enemy positioning. I do start off playing at the back, move in as necessary. Honestly when to start pushing in is the most critical decision and in all honesty I’m not great at making it accurately. I need to be less conservative with my health and use it to tank more. I’m getting better at it now though.

[@SofaKingA]

Was expecting more analysis of how to play BBs from the title. I hate subs and CVs but the vid was more ranty. Still a huge fan though!

[@WolfRawrrr]

I like the idea of both submarines and aircraft carriers being in a naval arcade simulator, unlike some people who probably just want to enjoy the same holy trinity of battleship/cruiser/destroyer for the next 10 years. I play all ship classes, subs and CVs included, though I'm mainly a destroyer player. It's sad that WG hasn't been able to find a way to make subs and CVs work better with the game. I'm intentionally not saying "a way that makes everyone happy" because you can't make everyone happy. I'm sure it's possible to reasonably balance things out but I doubt WG's capability and willpower to do so... And the fact is that, in real life, aircraft carriers (along with other factors) killed the battleship class. And submarines, once equipped with missiles, are essentially the endgame op vessel. So it would have been easy to tell from the start, even without missile submarines and fighter jet aircraft, that we wouldn't find ourselves in a healthy situation.

[@namtaru1]

with almost everything having torps now, its sometimes really hard to not get frustrated with the torpedo soup going on. Esp when you are playing a big slow boat like a yamato. *Ive been studying WW2 ocean battles and you know what amazes me is that torpedoes back in WW2 werent very reliable, alot of them were duds or went off course but WOWS torpedoes are 100% good. I think a easy fix would be to put RNG on a torpedos ability to arm and stay on target or even swim straight.

[@hypachilla1131]

agree 100%, love yer vids

[@jayvee8502]

Sir. We would like to hear your feedback about what is going on with WG.

[@MidnightSilv]

The only thing i did to combat this problem is to uninstall the game and i feel soo free and refreshing

[@maxwelllittle5291]

Simple: 1. Select Shikishima or Shitsuma 2. Hit "s" 3. Spotter Plane 4. ... 5. Profit (if Shikishima due to Shitsuma high credit cost)

[@faithless9]

how do you play dutch cruisers against subs thats a big question

[@sameerkharade7750]

Time to slap range mod on everything that relies on main batteries. Time to put Schlieffen to rest for some time. Even gonna slap range mod on my Republique. Beat that! And of course pray that an angel whispers in WG's ears that they have fucked up the game and that they need to fix it ASAP.

[@franz265]

As a dd player i must say cv are the worst and always have been since the cv rework. The constant spotting is just super deadly and the damage can be absurd (looking at you Nakhimov). On the other hand subs are not that bad as long as you have a hydro and a smoke ready. Subs are slow and if you survive the first encounter you can get your cooldowns ready and get rid of them in most cases. Smokeless ships do suffer more and get more random damage because of them. Then again subs reward you if you play more aggressive and get that "bombing run" going. But getting out alive is the tricky part good timing gives you a free kill and little counterdamage if you find the right timing. Subs still make the game more random and "engaging" which i still could miss out on but for the average guy it maybe is a highlight i dont know.

[@JasonGregor]

I played a game this last weekend with a clan make. We took in 2 GK's. Both ships were secondary build. We had 2 brothers map. CV in the game. No subs. But we stayed on the outside a little and then pushed in. It was a 8,9,10 match. We had a FDG with us as well. Secondary build with him as well. We just pushed in and mowed things down. It was a lot of fun. We won the game. So I think you can still get good games with secondary builds. However we went up to tier 10 cause we were in tier 8 and always uptiered. So we got tired of being beat on. That is why we went on with tier 10 and won and had a good damage game.

[@jean-philippemorin1176]

Have been playing dds recently, got myself a druid. And I'll be grinding italian dds. That's the plan.

[@maudrysilvain5905]

Honestly I'm really not sure at all, as someone who plays cruisers I do not know. I do grind actually Goliath who will have a tougher time dealing with passive games (because 19.5 km range on a tier 10 with range mod is hard) but then, maybe I'll go for that supercruiser line coming next patch but then I don't know honestly, maybe learning to group with my team mates but that's it (I do prefer to grind randoms in a division). Still I do have even bigger fears with everything that's happening currently with WG that I think overtake what's currently happening with the game becoming so passive