How Do Pro Bodybuilders ACTUALLY Diet and Train?

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[@shaunzero]

I fucking love how open and truthful you guys are. It's a breath of fresh air amongst all these fake naturals who think they've found some special way to train that makes it superior to everyone else's training.

[@RenaissancePeriodization]

Thank you! We always want to make sure to give you either an honest take, or, if it breaches legal parameters, no take at all. - Dr. Mike

[@Magic_beans_]

I totally agree there’s intentional fake-natty deception going on, like for marketing reasons or whatever. But the criminalization and stigmatization doesn’t exactly facilitate open dialogue either. Instead of being able to study and discuss PEDs, we get split into camps based on anecdote and rumor.

[@lmallow]

I started lifting in the 80s and the whole approach has changed since then. Literally all our lifting media then was based on selling supplements and claiming they were responsible for the pro's gains. Magazines straight up told us legal supplements and the special routines they were showing us were how pro bodybuilding worked. (Other strength sports didn't get any coverage in the main media.) In the 90s there was a bit of a counter-push to try and serve non-assisted lifters. But now everything's much more honest and that's so healthy.

[@BigDees19]

@@RenaissancePeriodization thank you dr. Mike and Jared for bringing up the you cant tell people exactly what to eat and that its illegal and you have to be RD to do that. because it seems like so many fitness bros, and gym people don't know that. but I also I have heard that some states you don't have to be a RD like Arizona and I think Nevada but for like California and many others you have to be one. thanks

[@FroYo....]

Come for the knowledge, stay for the humor

[@teh_blazerer]

I just come regardless

[@Brofessorben1017]

I just come because I am comming all the time, it's really fantastic.

[@sman53]

I came for the humor but have no knowledge of it arriving

[@lesvenola2380]

So did I and I give DR Mike 100% in both 😂😂👏👏

[@greglovelace246]

I'd like to see this EXACT COMMENT every video, let's go!

[@ProphetFear]

"If you look up to pros and you are a hard training natty who weighs like 160, you may very well be training harder than your pro." I don't know whether to take offense or be flattered, but I took it personally either way.

[@ProphetFear]

@PogChamp Caveat is this: at equivalent dosages, people who train harder get better results than people who train like p*ssies. They talked about this on the RP webinar when someone mentioned that AlphaDestiny claimed that drug users can train at 8 RIR and it doesn't matter.

[@lastsonofkrypton3918]

< Ronnie Coleman has entered the chat >

[@bigwig2659]

@PogChamp no, what they're saying is part of "genetic" edge is the individuals response to gear. They're genetically superior in terms of physiology but also hormonally, most people take a lot of gear and still look like shit

[@Hedgeflexlfz]

They have a better physique, so that's all that matters

[@bigwig2659]

@Beom Hee Kim cool story bro

[@ymscottie]

I love how Jared just tells it how it is. The drugs and genetics plays a key role in what we see.

[@theknowledgebridge6195]

@@drewyoung7113 nobody is putting 72 pounds of muscle in their first 3 years. next to nobody, at least

[@drewyoung7113]

@@theknowledgebridge6195 I live for extremely literal responses.

[@entitiessoul]

Genetics first op. Remember that.

[@Hedgeflexlfz]

Thanks for the dose of realism as always RP.

[@CodyRobertEly]

You are providing incredible value to the community. Thank you very much.

[@lylemcdonaldisright]

Two juiced up dipshits spewing bullshit to folks too ignorant to see through it is more like it.

[@trash3570]

@@lylemcdonaldisright seethe

[@muscularclassrepresentativ5663]

@@lylemcdonaldisright cringe

[@alphacause]

If only RP, Derek, Coach Doucette and KZbin were around in the 90s, when I was growing up, to dispel so many of the myths surrounding bodybuilding. So many of us who grew up in that era were we were duped by all the muscle mags showing our favorite bodybuilders (Lee Haney, Dorian Yates, Shawn Ray, etc. etc) grimacing in agony, while lifting an ungodly amount weight in photographs, giving the impression that they all trained to absolute failure on every set and that they all endured excruciating pain in order to look the way they do. This generation should feel fortunate that you have people who tell it like it is, and dismantle the façade that the bodybuilding community has been nurturing for decades

[@MeanJoe007]

Dorian was probably the closest to lifting like that

[@BigDees19]

Drake Santiago I agree with you 100% with everything besides,with the whole MPMD and The parrot snitch manlet Douchet drama queen, i don't agree with you with those clowns. But definitely RP i wish he would of been here many years ago the kids are very lucky thats for sure to have him and so are we. He ( dr. mike) seriously gives out so much free information its crazy. It just to me shows his character. Seems like a great dude. Congrats Dr. Mike he's busted his but off to get where he is today !

[@thesnowspeaksfinnish]

Doucette.. come with your main account, coach!

[@jameshunt3504]

U should have read a book in the 80s , and 90s maybe you would have learned more 😂 can't believe everything u see

[@bobjenkins4925]

In my youtube viewing experience, the average IFBB pro walks into the gym, goes to a cable or single joint machine exercise for the muscle he's training on that particular day, does 30 reps to start warming up, chills for 45 seconds, adds weight, does 15 reps for the second warmup, chills for a minute, adds weight & does two sets of 15 with about 5 reps in the tank. He then goes to a plate loaded machine, & does 4-5 ramped sets, adding a plate each set, with the second to last one being hard & the heaviest being almost to failure or to failure. If he's good he does a backoff set. He then goes around to 4 other machines for that particular muscle group, doing something approximating 3X12 with his 20 rep max, or doing ramped sets once again with the last set to failure, 10-15 reps on everything. His last exercise averages 20 rep sets, & seems to fail more due to the pain of the pump than inability to complete another rep. He does some posing, does not stretch, & leaves the gym.

[@matt_cartwright5782]

💯

[@David-tm9wr]

No need to stretch, ever.

[@fatboitino2]

That’s the KZbin stuff. No one wants a camera on them when they’re going full tilt

[@Petarosus]

Sad, but true:-(.

[@ryansmith7987]

Seems to work for them though, they're the pro not you. Try not to be bitter. If they can get away with half assed work, why call them out for it? You play with the cards you're dealt.

[@MrDeanmfitz]

I was so happy to hear Mike and Jared made it official!! Much love and support for youtube fitness's favorite couple! 🏳️‍🌈👬🌈

[@serban2139]

thanks for the honesty and also TECHNIQUE failure is so under rated, like it makes a huge difference. My chest could be dead after 5 sets of pressing, but bros would say keep pressing without realising my body has to adjust to use more triceps or shoulders. That's why I've transitioned to technique failure and not exhausting myself for no reason and my muscles still going strong. wondering why I don't grow.

[@RenaissancePeriodization]

Yep. Once you get your technique dialed in, you can often do pretty low volumes and get a great stimulus. - Dr. Mike

[@fedelercari]

I would listen to these two for hours on any topic, so fun and informative!

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Thank you 🙏

[@ficolas2]

As a natural hobby strength trainee, this video about enhanced professional bodybuilding was really cool, interesting and funny.

[@shmoo1000]

What's better than Mike dropping free knowledge bombs on us? Mike and Jared combo tag team

[@KlonKlonaRosjan]

"You know they're counting miligrams..." Just Love You Guys

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

🤣🙏

[@betterstrength]

I loved Jared’s impression at the end, plus all the great info of course.

[@seanf5134]

I'll never be a bodybuilder, but the entertainment value is great.

[@nikolatodorovic168]

@ihateidz wow edgy

[@jadengrant6063]

@ihateidz true but chill

[@gabrielepirovano3529]

@ihateidz don't take yourself so seriously mate, he may not be interested in the sport and just care about fitness or powerlifting or w/e I'll never be a ballet dancer and that's totally fine

[@alexandrakingi8502]

@@gabrielepirovano3529 wtf lol

[@thinhk3]

@Jo Jo +1

[@alexanderokak5112]

As a brit, I am actually VERY impressed with that accent. From that small sentence, I couldn’t hear any mistakes at all

[@RenaissancePeriodization]

Hahahah you're too kind. - Dr. Mike

[@VanillaCoke]

Note to self: get on gear so I can bs my workout and go home to watch tv

[@satinderjit4]

Amen

[@highviewbarbell]

I have a tv in the gym so I can be lazy while actively not being lazy

[@muscularclassrepresentativ5663]

It helps, but do note they agree that the average pro still does better than the average gym goer, "absolutely". Don't waste the gear if you're going to accept that strain on your vitals

[@hillbillybarbell1536]

Lol, good luck. Only the top genetics in the world can get away with that

[@LebowskiSucks]

Love the duo approach - are you planning a video on how to program back-off sets? I've never really understood how to use them or work them in - are they an intensifying technique? auto-regulation technique? or something you build into a meso?

[@yourmomtwice]

This question is lacking information but regardless this is a whole section in scientific principles of hypertrophy, which I highly recommend Edit, didn’t mean for this to come off as harsh or dickish

[@LebowskiSucks]

@@yourmomtwice yeah no worries! I guess I need to look into it more. I've been training unseriously for 2 years, not including lockdowns, and then seriously for about a year (properly periodising, full rom, all that good shit) but I just don't understand back off sets - I've always programmed exercises in given rep ranges with approx RIR and tracked weight on the bar and how many reps I make - how do back off sets fit into that part of progressive overload?

[@bearinabag2448]

A back-off set is just lower weight, higher reps. You might often wanna start your workout with hitting a compound heavy (6-8 reps), but you might wanna a) keep using that movement, b) focus on the mmc to keep the tension where you want it, and c) not hurt yourself, and those things aren’t as easy to do in the heavy rep range.

[@bearinabag2448]

It’s more useful when somebody is, say, working out of a garage with limited equipment, and/or has a big ass mrv, so they gotta do six sets of the same movement, or else they’ll use up all their movements at once and have no fresh ones for future mesos. It can also be useful if you’re working on bringing up a particular part of a given muscle group. For you, assuming you go to an averagely equipped gym, you’re prolly gonna be splitting up your chest volume (for example) evenly between upper, mid, and lower, and with 3-4 sets of each, maybe a 2nd set of one of those, we’re sitting at 12-16 sets per week, which is prolly around yeh at you’re aiming for, if you’re sitting around the average for your training age. You’re probably doing a heavy compound chest, and then a lighter chest that gets a good stretch. Preeeetty similar to back-off sets. Hope that answers!

[@LebowskiSucks]

@@bearinabag2448 understood - so this would be something pre-programmed? as opposed to a way of autoregulating in response to fatigue/whatever else?

[@thechasebake3604]

Much love from Michigan! Your videos have been so educational and helpful in my journey! Thanks for doing these!

[@RenaissancePeriodization]

Thank you! - Dr. Mike

[@HumbleDictator]

This discussion style video was great !

[@MeanBeanComedy]

I like the Hollingshead comparison!

[@silkymeadows126]

See now I understand why I burned down so much when I trained hard before pandemic. I would train until failure every single time. I would also train every damn day and I did full body. I would start with deadlifts 4x8, bench 4x8, squats 4x8, rows, pulldowns, raises, curls, etc etc. Every set until failure. I drank about a quart of whole milk every day at work (waitress). And I was strong af (relatively to now or ever before anyway). I could stand press 95 lbs for 8 reps while weighing 130lbs. But then I just lost all my strength and my bench was 95lbs now. It was very discouraging. And eventually I just stopped working out because I missed my peak numbers and lower numbers felt like a failure. I shouldn't have trained the way I trained, because it was not sustainable. This shit is hard. Thanks Dr. Mike for educating people like me. Спасибо и успехов вам, чтобы скорее купить Ламборгини =)

[@Flyingsquirrel69420]

Renaissance Toasterization I'll show myself out

[@danielghesquiere2011]

Shout out for reminding everyone these coaches and trainers are out of scope with diet recommendations. Theres loop holes but still, know your role.

[@kevinsj99]

Elaborate?

[@willbroon8752]

Jared Feather being Boomhauer from King of the Hill is S-Tier content

[@joshKozak]

Woah. They need a fish eye camera to get both these guys in one shot.

[@djmileski]

I enjoyed this video setup/format

[@peetos-chan2835]

Lolol. You guys are the smartest dude Bros I've ever had the pleasure of watching.

[@c-dog107]

This is the most interesting video I've watched in God knows how long! Thanks a ton guys!

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Thank you

[@AlecTramblayCoaching]

The training to failure thing going to hurt some egos 🤣

[@noahstanley9666]

I was literally just posting how I was conflicted about these guys since I haven't heard them mention anabolic before but this Jared guy is cool as fuck about it

[@gavincunningham2010]

You must be new, they're very open about enhancement

[@AboveMoDeRaTeChannel]

Didn’t know y’all were in Michigan. Shoutout from Wisconsin. Y’all got the best content and bud!

[@nicolasklug2311]

RP vids are all awesome but these with just Jared and Mike talking are my favorite 😁

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

We'll do more!!

[@nicolasklug2311]

@@JAREDFEATHERRP Please do ;)

[@thefittrucker597]

Hey I’m from Missouri!!

[@steve-ce6ps]

A guy I talked to at the gym jokingly said, "I'll do a couple sets and let the test do the rest."

[@Dan16673]

Yeah its true. Without the test, they would look normal

[@user-zj9fn4up8u]

God, this was enormously encouraging.

[@samuelspagna1841]

Yeah, pretty sure there is some study found that those who took steroids without even weight training gained MUCH more muscle than someone who weight trained but was natural. Correct me if I'm wrong though. Anabolics are very powerful.

[@vitoconigliaro7926]

i think this study was conducted on untrained individuals over a short period of time. Basically within the nueral adaptation stage of weight training were very little muscle is put on.. Not surprised if that was the result in that case.

[@muscularclassrepresentativ5663]

The huge glaring issue with that study is that it measured increase in muscle size while on cycle. Gear causes a fuckload of water and glycogen weight to be added to muscles, so they look bigger even with 0 new muscle fiber adaptations. Not knocking gear, it's amazing progressing 3x faster with no ceiling, but if you have dogshit training, sleep, and diet then it's just a waste of your health. You'll just bloat+acne+ratio

[@Hesteverest]

No, the study measured weight gain, not muscle. When on anabolics you store more glycogen so your weigh more. It is impossible to build muscle without a stimulus

[@kevinsj99]

I was gonna comment but you've already been corrected, anabolics are like a multiplier but 0 times 5 is still 0. If you train like crap and don't know what you're doing, well you could have probably done that naturally with good diet and training. Now combine good diet and training with anabolics, you'll be impressed, now add crazy genetics to that mix....

[@RsLeonardo1]

Its a spectrum. Like some dudes can gain 40lbs muscle from like 500mg test doing everything right where the avg guy gets like what 15lbs and below avg get like 0-5lbs.

[@TonyBarhoum]

Dat's my coach man 🥺

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Hearts. Heart eyes. Hugs.

[@robin5088]

Guys, I never get an answer on this, so I think most people don't know too: When applying RIR or RPE through a mesocycle, should the target RIR/RPE be complied to a all sets of a training session or are the last sets of exercises exceptions, where you should give all you have? In addition to this: Is it different when cutting down compared to when building muscle?

[@kylepacioni]

Target RIR for all sets. If you follow RP style periodization, your mesocycles probably end with a lot of failure training . And no same principles apply for massing/fat loss. The nuances they talk about in cutting vs massing training are more so regarding paying more attention to SFR while cutting or recognizing shifting volume needs between phases

[@robin5088]

@@kylepacioni Thank you so much! Searched for an answer on this a long time. Have a good day!

[@AhmedSalah-rb6ne]

Personally I decrease rir by one at the last set of almost every exercise as I follow an upper and lower

[@RenaissancePeriodization]

There is no hard rule about this. But the way we do it, we generally apply the same RIR to all sets of all exercises in a given week, and increase the relative effort (reduce RIR) over the weeks. - Dr. Mike

[@robin5088]

@@RenaissancePeriodization Oh, what a pleasure to be answered by Dr. Mike himself 😃 Thank you so much, that takes every doubt for sure. All the best for your journey ahead and BR from Germany

[@MJ-MJ-19]

Damn I would like to fly to USA and go through a few weeks of training with you guys!

[@regenesis5055]

Thanks for the insight!

[@riccardodiluca6862]

11:45 better than the information is to watch these 2 nervous tics!

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Haha. They're just genetic ticks. Got em from my mama, and these huge calves

[@riccardodiluca6862]

@@JAREDFEATHERRP You're the man!

[@GeraldErnat]

Thanks for the RD love!!! Sincerely, -A Dietitian

[@Bryant_T]

How about natural bodybuilders? Would love to hear your take

[@pioneerrocket22]

lol a what?

[@gavincunningham2010]

@@pioneerrocket22 what's confusing about that?

[@Bryant_T]

@@pioneerrocket22 same topic but about natural bodybuilders

[@pioneerrocket22]

@@Bryant_T I meant it as a joke 😉

[@RenaissancePeriodization]

Mostly the same dynamic. - Dr. Mike

[@zaidalsekri1449]

Love this segment

[@Richard-ot5ss]

as a hardcore Greg Doucette fan, hearing Jared talk was eye opening. It finally made me listen to your point of not needing to go to failure. However, Greg was a world record powerlifter and he says people in athletics like the olympics have to train to failure to push themselves and that might be true for performance athletes like strength athletes.

[@singularity3724]

British person here. You nailed it

[@nicolaskeith8872]

I thoroughly enjoyed this. thanks, gais

[@michaelmiller2164]

How should Mike get rid of the water?

[@its_james_fitness]

Cool talk. Dr. Mike's accent wasn't English but the end was Scottish. So close geographically yet so far culturally

[@animeshkumarjha8115]

bro are you natural?

[@dfgndfghdfghdfgh]

Im from England, your (southern) British accent was good!

[@garretthohn]

Mike "looking like a toaster" is something I can't unhear. Hilarious!

[@thebeau141]

Dope Video! More of this please!

[@dztrbdgod]

I want to try the 4 weeks train till failure.

[@muscularclassrepresentativ5663]

Just take care of your joints homie

[@sungameloc]

My sleep went to complete shit and my mood/energy throughout each day crashed hard when I went through my training to failure phase lol

[@dztrbdgod]

@@sungameloc job long did you do it for?

[@geekspeak1066]

Shit I have ice cream in my fridge I forgot about. Thanks guys

[@djmileski]

More of this please 👌🏼

[@BaldOmniMan]

Glad someone spoke on how 😺 a lot of pros train

[@RenaissancePeriodization]

Yes, yes. Many pros do in fact train like yellow cats. - Dr. Mike

[@slackerm1]

@@RenaissancePeriodization fucking lol

[@antoinebonzon6151]

What about the podcast on training to failure that Iron Culture did? There, the interviewed guy argued that, as long as the weight is sufficiently heavy (something like 5 to 10 RMs), training between 4 and 7 reps from failure did not differ in its hypetrophic effects from training between 4 reps and 0 reps from failure. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think that this reading of the literature is incorrect for some reason?

[@bigpicturegains]

Puts things into perspective, thanks sharing the chat

[@arentyou23]

🤘🏾😎🤘🏾 Most straight up no fluff or bull. Didn’t think it was possible . No bull fluffing….not one bull was fluffed in the making of this video.

[@Agnes135]

LOVE the videos like this

[@johntrains1317]

this is why I watch this fucking channel. honesty! thanks for the great content y'all, I benefit a ton from it. 8:50 😂

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Hahaha. Our pleasure. Thanks for watching!!

[@VintageGenetics]

I am an RD 😃

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Oh snap! Did not know that! That's really awesome man

[@GleaMDMK]

I could listen to these two for hours.

[@paulmryglod4802]

I took every set to failure for four weeks. It was warm up, 4 sets of one exercise, treadmill, done. I actually grew. Did it every other day for a month.

[@readysetmoses]

Yeah that’s kinda how strength training works 😂

[@cloystreng]

Triggered by meat in oz and carbs in g. Cool video though.

[@Haidderispro]

Can you make a video of getting lean for the first time for people who haven’t successfully been able to do it

[@pish_tea2118]

Thank you for another great video:)

[@Xxh0mEr0xX]

Want more of this!

[@NicHasegawa]

5:47 “I’ve seen that frequently” *side-eyes Mike* Man, Jared just won’t give Mike a break for sand bagging all the time 😂😂

[@adamsolis787]

Dr. Mike - "Can you speak Derpa lerp?" Jared - Hold my protein shake.

[@Nostart30]

And we see the real genius trait where both Mike and Big Lenny have the same eyebrow twitch

[@DeanKayed]

Loved this!!

[@mr.v1191]

Thanks for sharing #Knowledge 🤟🔥 Love and respect from India sir ❤🙏

[@g_raff_har4530]

I'd listen to this topic on a 3 hour podcast no problem

[@someguyiguess2291]

BuT mY HaRdWorK aND dEdiCaTIon

[@harrison_caton]

Dr. Mike is looking great!!!

[@fabioarturospada4178]

May I suggest having Jared a little closer to the microphone? Mike sounds a fair bit louder than him at times.

[@troy3423]

Some of these guys don't even need huge doses to grow either. Such is life!

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Yup. Another cool part of genetics! "Handling the burden"

[@ashleypursell9702]

this stuff is so interesting, good video

[@ryan_dosa]

This was great! thanks

[@TheTwsa]

8:01 this is a great perspective, and now the people who have been and are preaching this wrong fact.... seemingly having hard time admitting that they were wrong; But how will they relate to them being wrong? Will they change or defend their perspective, and if so defending it, how will they do this? I like to see how Dave, RXMuscle, like to defend this; He defend allready Ronnie and Dorians heavy way of trainin, and even state Dorian being for longevity, eventhough Dorian trained only for 1 or 2 yrs. as pro before having major injuries; And those just kept comming, both the case for Dorian and Ronnie, the 2 people who trained by the heavy duty alike principle Dave preach. How is Dave going to react to this?

[@aidenfinlan5699]

Yesssss! Go Jared!

[@fourtii8707]

Great insight!

[@SuckSmoothie]

Would be great to see both of you do Q&A vids the same way Joe Bennett does

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Idk how he sets those up but we do IG live ones

[@Vladd134]

You guys are awesome!!!

[@loyaldog7711]

Mike is hilarious!! I'd like to see skits@

[@ZackcHowie]

Holy shit. I haven’t heard anyone ever talk about a Ketchup Sandwich. I shit you not, my poor excuse of a baby sitter that I had when I was 4-5 would honestly make me toasted Ketchup Sandwiches when I was hungry.

[@JAREDFEATHERRP]

Ate them all the time when I was young and poor lol

[@rdangsmyth8501]

😂Yup, we need to know this. Thanl u for talking about this, esp. Listeners that are new to training and have been following genetic freaks and enhanced bodybuilders/Athletes.

[@Ryan83728]

ive done every set to failure for years. it definately isnt optimal and probably even hindered progress but ive done it

[@JuliusCaesar103]

Great time to be alive at the same time as Dr. Mike.

[@dreamz808]

I love this channel

[@carriepickett2687]

I watch for the comedy but I learn a tiny bit too 😂

[@Beats-By-Anthony]

This kinda content, me gusta!

[@paulalolohea1403]

Mike mentzer n Dorian ! Look em up

[@justinhorrell2251]

Thank you... Just thank you.,...

[@lorini11]

Please where is Charlie? We miss him

[@ricardomendez8655]

The people at my gym go every set to failure then wonder why they cant progress. Like wow 6 months of training and you've gone up from 250 lbs bench to 255.... well mine went from 205 to 250 in that same time.. so I'll catch up soon

[@ricardomendez8655]

Slamming weight on their chest like I can out bench the pros... like I buddy... KAY

[@fredrikwessmen7652]

If you watched this video its clearly genetics and not actual effort. If you watch Mikes other videos he states that he has trained people, done EVERY magic he has and yet they cant progress past 140lbs bench. Mike also states that "If you look up to pros and you are a hard training natty who weighs like 160, you may very well be training harder than your pro." in this video. Seems like you missed the point of the video.

[@ryansmith7987]

They still benching more than you 😂. Pipe down until your numbers are respectable

[@PaytonDowns]

Please do a part 2