How Do You Even Fix Zato?

[@ErrorGaming64]

Give Zato Ram's reversal and call it Zatobato

[@konebany7317]

You are all mistaken. It is necessary to fix not Z1, but the entire GGST. This gorilla and p2w game was broken, unbalanced and unfair from the very beginning, but Z1 players only found out about this in season 3. . .

[@krnprsd498]

@@konebany7317ok but did you see the Zatobato part

[@MrPickleEdits]

​@@konebany7317 I love my broken game since it has my broken bed. It fun.

[@SuuBrainrot]

@@konebany7317 konakon izumi is that you

[@coutiya2007]

​@@SuuBrainrotholy shit the millia guy changed his profile

[@Franko_L_L]

I really like discussing changes for characters. It gives you a nice insight on the type of player you are

[@ijusmix2585]

I’d love a follow up and I think the exhaustion idea is the best one by far. Main change I want is a sped up Eddie timer during cmnd grab to make it scary

[@zachstarattack7320]

I don't really see how you can like his move idea. I mean to be fair no one can come up with a really good new move but like, it's just lame how you literally don't get to use the fun and creative new move while Eddie is alive. And even when you use it off a knockdown you can't even do much of a mix-up after

[@ijusmix2585]

@@zachstarattack7320 I don’t want Eddie to be much more powerful because he already is REALLY strong but has flaws. If he was any better it wouldn’t fit in strive or would be boring. I don’t want an Eddie cmnd grab, unblockable or neutral skip bcz I wouldn’t enjoy playing as or against it. I just want my little home more often

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@ijusmix2585 @ijusmix2585 I mean, I also want him back more often but that's kind of against ArcSys's stated philosophy of wanting this extended down time where you can run after solo zotto... So given that this whole video Is predicated on the idea these proposed changes are realistic, (hence why he didn't ask for any reversions)... if you look towards the fact that the developers want to make Eddie better, said new move will probably be an Eddie upgrade. And I don't feel like the face of puppet characters shouldn't be allowed to have an even stronger one? It would really play into his power fantasy if Eddie was stronger

[@zachstarattack7320]

​@@ijusmix2585I @ijusmix2585 I mean, I also want him back more often but that's kind of against ArcSys's stated philosophy of wanting this extended down time where you can run after solo zotto... So given that this whole video Is predicated on the idea these proposed changes are realistic, (hence why he didn't ask for any reversions)... You have to lean into the fact that the developers want Eddie to be stronger. I'm pretty sure the new move will be on Eddy also, I don't think it's wrong for Eddie to be stronger... He's the face of puppet characters, his puppet should be strong. hell even stronger than that

[@zachstarattack7320]

@ijusmix2585 I mean, I also want him back more often but that's kind of against ArcSys's stated philosophy of wanting this extended down time where you can run after solo zotto... So given that this whole video Is predicated on the idea these proposed changes are realistic, (hence why he didn't ask for any reversions)... You have to lean into the fact that the developers want Eddie to be stronger. I'm pretty sure the new move will be on Eddy also, I don't think it's wrong for Eddie to be stronger... He's the face of puppet characters, his puppet should be strong. hell even stronger than that

[@Nico-xc3rg]

give me 44 minutes mr tene.

[@zachstarattack7320]

i recognize your pfp. are you that uveryshu guy from zato-cord

[@Nico-xc3rg]

i liked it you should def make a part 2 / november 1st yap video

[@Nico-xc3rg]

@@zachstarattack7320 damnation i forgot to comment this on one of my other youtube accounts

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@Nico-xc3rg Why would you use another account? You don't want me to recognize you?

[@fathertig9494]

I really like zato, but I agree that it wouldn't be fun if he was like every other character but with an eddie. I've thought about the new move a lot and I agree that an eddie charge/revive type move would probably be the best (and most likely) thing that they could add, since it doesn't make zato function better on his own, but I also think he doesn't need a new move to use for pressure with eddie. Also a buff or some sort of change to 6k would be nice, since it really doesn't feel like it has many uses.

[@aaym2224]

I hate fighting zato but he's one of the most interesting characters in fighting games and he should be competitively relevant. what made him egregious in older games is he'd do stupid bullshit like unblockable into unblockable and insane damage combos that leave you air teching into nobiru and hes plus a million. the 2s into invite hell on regular hit is too strong imo. I think they should give him exhaustion, btl bait, ch 2s on standing into invite, and revert the flight change. leave everything else as is cause I don't think he should be top top tier.

[@Thanaroa]

Would you believe hes still bottom tier in xrd? and low tier in +r? This is the fate of Zato in every guilty gear game, he gets nerfed to the ground because they are shit at balancing.

[@aaym2224]

​@@Thanaroa hes very decent in +r, the character power is very high so I dont think there's low tiers except bridget. but you're mostly right, they do an awful job of balancing him. zato was broken in earlier versions of xx like vanilla and #reload, nerfed him to the ground in slash, buffed him like hell in AC to maybe the most broken character the series has ever seen up till now, then significantly nerf him again in +r. same thing happened in Xrd, he was broken in sign and by rev 2 hes trash. they dont know what to do with him.

[@herbbirb3766]

​@@ThanaroaXrd zato is bottom tier arguably below potemkin, +R eddie is on the top of low tier above robo and bridget, but is largely unexplored and (in my opinion) is a lot stronger than most give credit for.

[@Thanaroa]

@@herbbirb3766 I agree with you for the most part about +r eddie, you just have to work REALLY hard to make him work.

[@emptymimic5976]

18:28 The patch notes specifically state Blue Psych Burst, so this is intentional.

[@KingAfrica4]

They actually reverted the Jack-O shield duration. Iirc they buffed it from 28 to 34 active frames and nerfed it again in season 3 back to 28

[@zachstarattack7320]

Yes I would love to see followup videos and to see all the things you cut.

[@Le_cringe125]

I started maining Zato like, 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago or something, with a background of almost throwing the game out, cuz i liked slayer from accent core. now i actually get fun out of the game, and never let anyone play the game, as Zato never played without nerfes, already beating my friends with nerfes hoping that Season 4 will change things, and yet if it doesn't we'll still get on top, as Zato-bros should!

[@finallyanime]

do you notice theyve been giving characters completely new moves and not any legacy moves. something to think about. and maybe im nitpicking but of course he cant convert from 2/5p. jacko cant. he's a puppet character & it's clear they want puppet characters to suffer

[@ijusmix2585]

@@finallyanime I thought she got 6p and then kick. I might be wrong tho I really don’t know

[@NotFortheMoonay]

​@@ijusmix2585Point blank without CH she just gets 6P as it pushes away. She can get a minion pull off of 6P tho. If she mashes or is slightly far, it's just 2/5P

[@someminorities]

pretty sure they said they want characters to have entirely new moves, but shadow gallery would make zato’s combos so much more fun and diverse (and hopefully we’d still be able to crossup with it)

[@cheshi_smile]

i havent seen a lot of people mention it, but their steam post for dizzy's trailer mentioned multiple new moves will come out on the 31st. i checked the japanese post to see if this was a mistranslation and despite japanese not making a distinction between singular/plural words, they specifically mention that more than one character will get a new move. so there's a chance that zato could get a new move on the 31st, I really hope he does lol

[@jeffthejeffebruh3356]

Goated music for this vid, left bank two and sly cooper music goes so hard. Fantastic vid as always.

[@Zedzilliot]

Hopefully the last Zato dooming post (the patch will fix him)

[@remuvs]

inb4 ASW trolls us and makes eddie take longer to recharge

[@Matt-qs5rx]

Wait for Rev 3

[@theprismaticsystem2833]

Btw, vanilla ac's version of exhaustion was to refill Eddie gage while little Eddie was in penalty state, changing it to how it worked in plus are was done as a buff to his offense going between ac to ac+r.

[@mrpinguimninja]

I honestly love Zato, he's one of my top 2 choices to learn in strive so far, along with HC (until Venom comes out), I'll save this video to watch tomorrow during work

[@fadetoblackened4407]

give him dead man's hand and exhaustion and accent core normal summon

[@ijusmix2585]

@@fadetoblackened4407 ac normal summon would be sick but maybe rework the overhead

[@zachstarattack7320]

​@@ijusmix2585No I don't think so

[@1000Tomatoes]

From the outside the command grab as a resource regen move (if it actually gave you the reward for the risk) is more intresting than having a power up stance. Regardless I doubt they would want a character to have to both.

[@Kolos1001]

It's a bummer he's so rare to see these days. Godspeed.

[@Dark_Tesla]

Just let Eddie unsunmon on Burst instead of reset, and let BTL ignore burst. That’s all I want.

[@jeffthejeffebruh3356]

Awesome video, i do prefer the balancing approach of making zato's move all have an actual function while still maintaining his character traits and playstyle which is what your changes are more about. Im hoping season 4 does a lot more of these smaller changes as I feel like a lot of characters in the game rn either have far too much going for them in terms of their base kits or they have a bunch of small annoyances or inconsistencies that add up when compared to their contemporaries. :)

It’s actually so crazy that Zato is either Top 5-7 in the game or Bottom 1 (Accent Core Top 3, AC+R High/Top, Sign/ Rev Top 3, Rev2 and Strive Bottom 1)

[@surrendering2within]

Just learned of your First Attack win 🏆happy for you🎉

[@bananaboy2373]

We buff him by making him no longer blind

[@NotFortheMoonay]

I feel like there is a better way to do it. Could make it like a shadow puddle that does regen Eddie meter when standing on it, an be a target to Break The Law onto, but also slowly poisons the opponent similar to an Aki . It gives up the safejump on 2K2D, it can be used in wallslump situations that will punish players for not immediately bursting Zato from the corner and being predictable, and gives a good reason to throw with Damned Fang with the puddle down. Also could give a little more to mental stack if he is bursted away with the puddle still on the opponent so they cant just jam their fullscreen on burst option without the threat of Zato back in tour face with the puddle there.

[@HeadB0xF1]

man i was thinking that the new move could be an eddie vacuum move on D for cheap corner crossups, but now i'm mad if the new move isn't exhaustion :D

[@ijusmix2585]

@@HeadB0xF1 that’s be sick

[@zachstarattack7320]

good idea...

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

I'm thinking a move that's independent from Eddie meter. Like a fast hit grab or a strike move.

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 that's what most people want! wouldn't it be cooler if you could still use it while eddie is out! it would make for fun interplay with ze puppet

[@sacred944]

He Supers can actually function for one. I just found out recently drift RC completely avoids Amorphous. Like you can drift RC towards Zato after the cutscene and dodge it. So if Zato's opponent has meter he literally can't hit them with it unless it's in a combo already

[@Len-rx78]

I loveed playing zato1 in the first guilty gear on switch

[@chungusumungus4004]

Instead of Zato regaining eddie gauge via a new move, Summon should just build gauge if Eddie isn't available. In addition, his command grab should fully refill the gauge.

[@lucymaycry7218]

It might be cool if F.s got a followup hit when you let go of s. If you let go too early it doesn't come out but do it just a little late then the dragon(?) shadow rushes forward to attack while hitting slightly lower (still vulnerable to 6ps while also going slightly further) than before to cause some stuff like more knockback, punish people trying to punish you for f.s normally and maybe even vacuum people on air hit? That sounds neat because using f.s in combos or setups is normally just a pretty horrible idea, but maybe if Eddie is behind the opponent while juggling them, you hit an opponent trying to backdash it'd be easier trying to switch sides with them. This is just my idea i don't expect this to be an amazing change in reality but I'd still like to hear the thoughts of someone who plays Zato Also: dumb but really funny idea, what if Zato got an install super that costs 50%, lasts as long as he wants and switched Zato and Eddie with eachother? Like Zato gets Eddie's specials (all the eddie type moves while losing key normals for mix) and Eddie gets Zato's specials and important mixup/ setplay tools like a good 2k and a 2d? The eddie gauge doesn't get spent doing Pierce or Leap or stuff like that, but it does get lowered by doing invite hell or making Eddie clap for example. The install ends when you take a certain amount of damage, you get counterhit, or you input it again in which case you'll instantly get back to normal. I wonder how this would work and what this might do in terms of gamebreaking stuff. If it's too powerful you could just make it cost 100%, but if it wouldn't be all that insane, i mean, it would really fun!

[@ThePoodle]

I will say in the case of anji 2p, the best thing he can get is a run up meaty 2s in most cases, which is -6. if zato 2p had conversions he would very likely get to start his very strong offense.

[@un4039]

i think it'd be cool if zato's meter refilled on burst like how ABA refunds half her spent meter when she manually ends her mode

[@1000Tomatoes]

Need to convince arcsys that since they never put btl losing to full screen burst on the the list of changes it's not reverting a nerf if they change it so that it does.

[@ollolool]

Considering how zato ended up in the last game I’m really worried they aren’t gonna help him enough

[@SinsandVices]

I'd love for the follow up video!

[@imtiaze642]

I think everything makes sense in this video, exhaustion would ngl make Zato broken but who is not broken in Strive right now(except my Xrd main Bedman) but 5K is aking for too much. 5k hitting low while standing is already very confusing and scary making it any better would make his 6K and 6H probably broken. I already dont see anything when I respect Zato pressure, so blocking 5k if it was made even close to Ky is unimaginably horrible.

[@kaysonlee1031]

We tell Latif to stop being such a good Zato.

[@Lancelot2000Lps]

No one like zato wine jonathan i live of cry babys.

[@judoshrew]

my suggestion is to buff eddie by making him potemkin. I want to imagine sun void into heavenly potemkin buster is a true combo.

[@AziDoesQuestionableThings]

let zato summon millia

[@__-be1gk]

The thing is nobody wants zato to be fixed but zato players (tiny) and daisuke (his dad)

[@imtiaze642]

When I was talking about system changes hurting Nago everyone was trolling Like WWA wouldnt get nerfed. The complain is that half of the new system mechanics takes the strength of niche characters and gives it to everyone while obviously ignoring the downsides.

[@RedShogun13]

In all honesty just revert him to pre nerfs. He’s not gonna be much crazier than any of the other top tiers rn.

[@ThePoodle]

THE MARIO 64 MUSIC IMMEDIATELY

[@gentlesin1301]

All around great video. Unfortunately you have complimented Faust's item eat, and now we have been alerted to your blasphemy.

[@johncrq3594]

just give zato badlands

[@Baikenloverr]

Every time I see a clip of people play Zato I’m just like ”man this character is miserable”. Not even knowing any of this information he still just is so obviously miserable

[@uhohspaghettios821]

tfw he actually needs it tho

[@waluigiwaluigireal]

We need to fix Baiken too chat

[@vinimantorval285]

Can u do some kind of zato 1 guide to use eddie correctly? I feel like it just don't work. Such a good video btw

[@xaliantox]

You calling the pierce buff a little cringe if it was given earlier is killing me lmaao. It means a lot to me as another Zato player when you say that you really care about how fun Zato is to play against. I remember back in S1-S2 I'd put my discord / info in my R-Code for folks to reach out after sets online and 9 times out of 10 I would be more than happy to exchange counterplay onto how to beat some of Zato's stuff. That sort of thing is really integral to building a good community when we can lift each other up and teach people the answers to things if they're willing to learn. Because of this I thought my opinions on Zato were pretty well grounded. If you complain about him, I'd be happy to show you counterplay and if you're not about it then that's not a problem on the character if there's clear counterplay that's there, you just won't lab it. The discourse really sucks about this character because I know it's gonna be insufferable when and if he even does get buffed, it's going to go back to complaining about a character people refuse to learn how to play against. Anyways outside of that point, it really feels so shitty to see all the cast of this game do their bullshit and get buffed, compensatory buffed, nerfed + buffed, sneak buffed, system mechanic changed, to not only keep up their bullshit but make it even better, only for the devs to just selectively choose that Zato for some reason doesn't deserve to have his own stake in the game. I'm over here getting two shot by slayer, forced 50/50s off a far slash wild assault off elphelt into wall break, Nago SITLL broken, Sol HVVK disintegrating me after guessing wrong off fast red RC cancel bandit into double overhead low. Zato can't even have a decent normal or somewhat USABLE conversion without Eddie. I Dunno truth be told; I don't have any faith or hope for October anymore. Zato's never been a popular character despite how dedicated his fans are, sucks to see my favorite players like Latif Gobou You and Pep drop him when they used to give me so much inspiration watching them play. We've had 3 going into 4 seasons of Leo, Nago, Sol, may being absolute top tier. Anji getting buffed every patch to where bro is converting off CH jab into wall to wall carry j.D wallsplat bombos. Axl getting buffs for combos and neutral and bombos like bro is playing +R over here. I really wish someone would just be honest on the dev team and say "yea we don't like zato sorry buddy" I'd at least be able to close that book much easier versus having false hope for every patch. Anyway, I'm ranting and rambling at this point. Great video Tenne. Wish I could just show this video to the dev team. Wonder what they'd even say. Maybe I'll try to e-mail arcsys jp with this video. We'll see how things play out on the 31st. #FREEEDDIE

[@zachstarattack7320]

9:59 I always hear you say this and I guess you have to gatekeep it for your own tournament sake but I'm always so curious about why that is...

[@ijusmix2585]

Lab it, it is so easy to find

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@ijusmix2585 I mean... I can understand the idea of it wasting valuable Eddie Gauge And maybe using it on the sword super so he can't reset his turn, but a lot of times it feels like you can just use another Eddie move once you get deflected and keep them there

[@ijusmix2585]

@@zachstarattack7320 I also play the homie so I’m gonna gatekeep tech but there is more than that. Tbf tho you have to know a decent amount before you can get there

[@zachstarattack7320]

​@@ijusmix2585Hey I know much more than just a decent amount. I'm sure the answer is just a variation on whatever I already said. I mean, what else could you even say? The fact that deflect is really good against him because You know exactly when to use it because he telegraphs his 50-50 by whiffing jumping P?

[@zachstarattack7320]

​@@ijusmix2585Why did you delete your old reply telling me that you want to gatekeep it too?

[@roberto5866]

Can you do a update vid?

[@rood9421]

i wish they reverted the nerfs from the S3 patch don't think he's getting any better sadly, clearly the worst character in the game atm, either way its good to see the idea an expert has on how to fix the character tho, great content. Hoping to see a patch review if possible whenever the notes drop.

[@pedroscoponi4905]

I wonder if 2 weeks is enough time for this video to give ASW some ideas. I have to imagine at this point all the changes are locked in and they're just bug fixing, right?

[@Snooopysniper12]

Nah anji was worst for longer

[@ShimyIa1]

Bro nothing you say wont convince me he's still insanely busted and requires more nerfs.

[@zachstarattack7320]

I think you're joshing

[@Thanaroa]

Congrats Strive players, Zato is bottom tier. Its a real guilty gear game now Also the blockstrings in +r arent infinite, you can easily backdash out or reversal. Instant block makes him a joke at times

[@mehriotime9467]

Let him potemkin buster

[@grexpex1807]

how did you get that frame advantage display thingy?

[@williamingwerson4692]

pc only mod because the arc in arc sys stands for archaic

[@Worth5k]

Thats the neat part you dont!

[@Ram-5730]

how do you even fight zato??? I DONT KNOW BECAUSE NO ONE PLAYS ZATO SO I CANT FIND A WEAKNESS

[@NemSumeragi]

7:53 i was always under the impression that BWA was given to Zato to help him start pressure and avoid summon RPS, rather than help Zato when Eddie's down 🤔 Also yeah follow-up video would be dope. Always love listening to you ramble :)

[@TheAlex010]

Dang season 4 really didn't help his case much

[@zachstarattack7320]

OMIGAWSH YES! THIS IS EXACTLY THE VIDEO WE NEEDED! AND EXACTLY THE VIDEO THE DEVELOPERS NEEDED! It is so great to be constructive and offer solutions, since we are so opposed to their solutions. P.S. thanks for retweeting me that one time

[@olinnus785]

zach located, I can watch the vid now

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@olinnus785 Thank you good sir

[@difo1225]

Eddie install

[@thrakatak2645]

You're probably joking but that honestly sounds pretty cool. Imagine if Zato fused with Eddie for a little while, and you got to use powered up versions of Eddies moves as regular specials.

[@evilded2]

0:16 forgetting about sin?

[@blackberry4322]

Sin is A,B + at the least

[@yeah167]

clearly the solution here is to make command throw 7 seconds long. problem solved

[@tylercafe1260]

The Command List has always sucked ass. The paragraph under Winter Cherry for Axl straight up doesn't tell you about his two different explosions. Which is such an important part of using Sickle Flash effectively.

[@kierachnid5715]

zato does kinda suck, but the fact that he can still win against other characters is pretty nice, like its not like you pick zato and immediately lose which is cool. Also, everyone here is gonna hate me for this, but chaos is my second favorite character behind Faust.

[@serepraxis7182]

IMO Zato is a character best designed for skillful expression and not competitive success. His design is simply too volatile to exist in a healthy metagame without a major overhaul to his identity, which defeats the point of his character and Guilty Gear's design ethos. Guilty Gear has more trouble with character balancing than most fighting games due to its commitment to making each character unique. Some characters will just be conceptually stronger than others. This means when you have a character like Zato, who has strong mixups, long block strings and neutral-game, they tend to take over the game when they're good, because when they are good they are practically the best at everything, and when they're average nobody plays them because they are too hard for their payoff (in a competitive setting)

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

You say shit like that but then Zato one amazing in Plus R, Johnny was the best character in Xrd, and jack-o is top 5 in Strive. All who have high skill expression *and* are amazing.

[@serepraxis7182]

I wasn't saying high skill characters can't or haven't found competitive success. I was saying characters like Zato typically will be (and should be) nerfed when they are strong due to how oppressive they are due to the nature of their design. Which would make for a stale metagame due to Strive's comparatively low skill ceiling Johnny would have taken over the game in xrd if it wasn't for his high skill ceiling

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

​@serepraxis7182 the meta is stale now with low skill expression, strong simple characters like Slayer. At least Zato is hard to play and fun to watch.

[@serepraxis7182]

​@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034And? Happy Chaos is hard to play and people were complaining about competitive being boring more than they are now before he was nerfed. Skilful play does not necessarily mean a better viewing experience. People usually find difficult things enjoyable to watch but that's not the be all end all. If XRD Elphelt shotgun loops were 10x harder yeah you'd appreciate it more but that's a cold comfort

[@jayblade7916]

Frame meter sauce??

[@zachstarattack7320]

I won't spoil the new move in the comment section but I really don't see that being a good idea. Why are you putting all the fun and creativity of a new move behind the uncomfortable situation of somehow getting a solo knockdown. It's one thing to make the move able to be done without Eddie, which is what every Zato main wants, but to be something impossible to use while Eddie is out is really lame. Where's the cool interplay with Eddie? Edit: You didn't mention this in the video but I do like the idea of it being an anti zoning tool because you can use it if they are not approaching you Edit Edit: Wait no that's not really an anti zoning tool because people are already rushing zato down because there's nothing to be afraid of from going up to him

[@NotFortheMoonay]

I feel like there is a better way to do it. Could make it like a shadow puddle that does regen Eddie meter when standing on it, an be a target to Break The Law onto, but also slowly poisons the opponent similar to an Aki puddle. It gives up the safejump on 2K2D, it can be used in wallslump situations that will punish players for not immediately bursting Zato from the corner and being predictable, and gives a good reason to throw with Damned Fang with the puddle down. Also could give a little more to mental stack if he is bursted away with the puddle still on the opponent so they cant just jam their fullscreen on burst option without the threat of Zato back in your face with the puddle there.

[@zachstarattack7320]

This idea sounds really cool but I don't really understand it. how does this puddle condition bursts? I don't understand what you're talking about. like could you walk me through an example​@@NotFortheMoonay

[@NotFortheMoonay]

@@zachstarattack7320 Taking passive damage while blocking. Sure, it will build you burst and you could even use YRC. Zero doesn't really use RISK all that much being a mixup character, so when an opponent is losing health even if they are blocking mixups is bad. Think of it as people bursting BT's on Goldlewis just because they don't want to take the chip. It is basically chip damage.

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@NotFortheMoonay so you want the condition them to burst earlier? isn't the problem that they already do that?o tha

[@johncrq3594]

giving zato robo ky mat is really funny i think this is it

[@matthewdavis8526]

Nice

[@coolfish420]

Wait, J Nasty thinks Zato is bottom one?

[@zachstarattack7320]

Well to be fair, every single professional believes that he is either bottom one or two

[@drinkingproblem8934]

How did Tene, the person with probably the most Faust MU experience in the world, ACTUALLY NOT KNOW ITEM EAT IS NOT SAFE I'm scared of the idea that maybe even Vineeth somehow doesn't know now ... (To explain, eat is so shit because cancelling into makes all your moves more minus, excluding 6H by anywhere between 1-4 frames. And somehow fucking nobody knows this)

[@jonathantene944]

Of course I know this, but it not only instantly retracts his hurtbox from moves like 2h, but it also makes your opponent flinch react to potential item throw and miscue, come on dude

[@drinkingproblem8934]

@@jonathantene944 2H retraction is a fair point (tho we still haven't found particularly many use cases for it) but flinch react? Seeing the start-up to toss vs eat requires an identical response, to go in. If it's eat, Faust blocks, if it's toss he explodes and dies Even just trying to sneak in a toss is insanely risky because of both item luck and reward diff. So I'm not convinced anyone is "flinching" from seeing eat. Because it's always gonna be eat (try doing toss after 2H and rsk instant death over a donut), and even if it wasn't the response is identical to both anyway I heard the same take from LK the other day but he never ended up explaining what he meant. Am I misinterpreting what you mean by flinching here? Cuz I'm not gonna lie Vineeth is currently the only Faust main to not consider eat borderline useless

[@jonathantene944]

Crazy how the best one thinks it’s not useless, many characters can’t punish 2h eat, at least on reaction, while they’d be able to punish 2H toss, so you can do stuff like 2h eat backdash or 2h eat 2p or walk back or j2K etc etc based on what you think they attempt to punish toss with.

[@drinkingproblem8934]

@@jonathantene944 I don't think Vineeth ever explained why eat is good, to the point I think he just likes the move itself unrelated to how good it is And to the 2H toss being punishable, that's not even the point??? You don't do 2H toss ever, that's like doing point blank mist finer The answer to having your 2H blocked is to decide if having more recovery (and CH recovery at that) worth storing an item, or would you want the special cancel potential (which is shit for Faust but debatable so is storing an item) Item eat solves 0 issues Faust has and does essentially nothing impact-wise. Storing items is really mid and more often than not you'd like to threaten special cancel or just have a return to neutral without even more recovery Tl;Dr Faust is not safer, gets little benefit and solves / adds nothing. Stupidly weak compared to any other new special (albeit more interesting than mla or rock)

[@zachstarattack7320]

Man, these buff ideas feel so underwhelming because you are trying to be realistic and not just suggesting any reversions. to be honest, they come from a very intelligent place... But with how you know that people are going to get power crept in season 4, you really got to ask for more I would say like, you are trying to get a guy from bottom one to healthy high tier like season 2. You need more than that

[@boiboi1623]

yeah I'm trying to get him to top 1

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@boiboi1623 It would still be a healthier top tier then most of this cast

[@boiboi1623]

@@zachstarattack7320 sooo true

[@notlunaticdancer4393]

Nerf Zato

[@BongWatah]

Not watching 44 minutes of this bullshit. He's perfect as is. - signed, Random KZbin Comment

[@robomojo8639]

How do you even fix Zato? Simple, you don't. In fact, in the next patch give him some genuinely nice QOL buffs, but sneak in a nerf that totally ruins him and don't put it in the patch notes. Once it's discovered, the hype would immediately dissipate. Many would begin to wonder if it was a bug or an intentional change. THEN, 6 months on, after radio silence from the devs and no changes to Zato at all, the Devs finally comment on Zato in a developers backyard. In which, they state that it WAS an intended change and that they do not wish to revert it at this time. INSTANTLY, the hopes and dreams of the few remaining Zato players would dissipate. Those still left now, only playing out of a love for what once was. Some would play on older versions of the game where Zato hadn't been dumpstered, but they would only have other Zato players, and friends of these players who take pity on them, to play with. Nature would be healing and the people of Strive would be happy =]]]

[@zachstarattack7320]

I LOVE UR VIDEOS. does the goat respond? also u should collab with Domiwurld he makes kewl vids too

[@boiboi1623]

by chance yes I do respond thanks for liking my vids like and sub for more

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@boiboi1623 just for that I am going to subscribe and like your videos

[@boiboi1623]

@@zachstarattack7320 thank you my goat

[@xcreenplay7264]

You fix zato by patching him out sadly lol

[@joshireyn]

Nice vid man, but why do you have a turbo glazer in the comments. That a paid actor?

[@boiboi1623]

yeah I'm a paid actor zato bottom 1 zato needs to be top 1 break the law should just win the round tbh

[@zachstarattack7320]

I think you're referring to me? And I glaze for free

[@boiboi1623]

@@zachstarattack7320 based and real

[@joshireyn]

@@zachstarattack7320 holy bars

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@joshireyn yeah that's just what I do on my own. hahaha. it would be cool to get paid for it though

[@jefftempest4]

isnt the btl swap his new move?

[@sylascole5254]

BTL swap was said to not be a new move per the patch notes.

[@jefftempest4]

@@sylascole5254 I heard the explanation he gave but it wasn't really convincing, but it was in the patch notes?

[@zachstarattack7320]

​​@@jefftempest4I mean the patch notes said that there were a certain amount of new moves given out and if you add them all up, Zato was not one of them.

[@jefftempest4]

@@zachstarattack7320 that makes sense, swap would be really underwhelming if it were the new move i assumed it was because of how much the devs seem to hate the character

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@jefftempest4 hahahahahaha

[@shadowseal22]

FB Drill

[@trinitygsaint2383]

Zato will never be fun to fight because zato players ruin good moods by throwing a tantrum anytime they get touched or something doesn't go their way

[@cherrycrow9146]

Zato should stay the way he is rn. F zato

[@jotogoat]

nerf zato

[@YoungYoung95]

Fraud in chief tries to retcon months of dumb extreme downplay by starting a video listing Zato's pros and acting as if he thinks he is not that bad but still give him stupid unnecessary buffs.

[@konebany7317]

You are all mistaken. It is necessary to fix not Z1, but the entire GGST. This gorilla and p2 w game was broken, unbalanced and unfair from the very beginning, but Z1 players only found out about this in season 3. . .

[@ThePoodle]

millia guy!

[@thrakatak2645]

Bait used to be believable.

[@Stryfe52]

DONT FIX HIM

[@Siberianhusky89]

Who cares? This game sucks. It's not even a real Guilty Gear fighting game. Just some trash, generic anime fighter that pretends to be something it isn't.

[@thrakatak2645]

Who asked?

[@Siberianhusky89]

@@thrakatak2645 Your mama while I was plowing her.

[@GibbyVee]

Facts but that’s why i mained zato in this,, now hes dead and i dont like the game enough to find a new main