HOW Does Duoing Affect MATCHMAKING? (How to CLIMB using DUO-QUEUE) - Play Like A Pro

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0:00 How does DUO queue effect matchmaking / MMR
3:01 Draft and champion combos
6:01 Strategies you can use during duo Q

[@96Logan]

So simple, yet so effective. This is why I subbed to your channel. You break down concepts extremely well. I always learn something every vid. Thanks, Coach! ❤

[@massimassiano9044]

small addition to the matchmaking: even if both teams have duo's the mmr RANGE that is considered ok for a match is widened, meaning your games become more of a coinflip, hence even more of a need to have a strat the actually gives an advantage as opposed to just queue up together. According to some riot blog some time ago the prediction quality in duo matchmaking is off by as much as 10% eg, which is huge considering a gold player in silver only has 66% winrate, approximately.

[@fredygallegos1679]

Sending this to the guys I coach since I always forget to create videos and leave them up for them to re visit. Great video as usual Rogue.

[@lukasausen]

a strategy i like to do with a top friend is that i play akali mid he plays yorick top, we dont have good pressure for TF but our splitpush is INSANE, if he is spam colapsed i can shadow him and fight 2v3 or 2v2 on side with him, or if we are both being colapsed by the team then the one who is not getting colapsed can just get all of the towers in the lane they abandoned, it depends on actually winning lane and being really good at 1v1 and 1vX odds wich is exactly what we are good at so it plays really well on our hand, got constantly to masters with him every season doing this.

[@kacpercaka434]

akali and good split push choose one

[@lukasausen]

@@kacpercaka434 if you consistantly win lane and is ahead akali has really good split push since you will be one shoting casters, also even if you arent she is a good spliter since you can easilly 1v1 or even 1v2, and if youre colapsed you can flee with minor loses for yourself such as ult wich by that time has negligible cooldown...

[@jordanbrown8326]

@@kacpercaka434Akali is insane in the sidelane lol what

[@vnstyler61]

another good strategy to consider, is that you dont play duo bot to increase the overall impact on the whole map, e.g. my duo mate plays mid and I play sup, that way we have a 66% impact on the lanes, it worked magically and we climbed to dia so fast

[@GunzShufle]

lately me and my duo have been trying top + adc combo. I play a carry top and usually get ahead in lane, he focuses on not dying on bot side. We win almost every game where I get ahead, and if I get camped we usually have soul drag spawning at 23 mins ish. It eliminates those games where you get fed top and your bot lane is 0-12. Seems pretty op so far

[@coolbrotherf127]

I've seen some weird duo strategies. Yesterday I saw a Caitlyn duoed with a support Jinx with double TP. Their strategy was to use their range poke and double traps to make it really hard for the enemy bot lane to approach them and with the permanent push, they'd double TP to other lanes to surprise gank. Definitely an interesting strategy, but they weren't particularly good at their champs so it kind of fell apart in the game I played against it.

[@vllajko306]

I play duo with my friend purely because playing solo is boring. We are one division apart (currently he's d2 and I'm d3) He's mid and I'm top and we both play ad champs. So no synergies but we are making it work somehow

[@abdulazizabdulaziz6304]

WOW i never knew about this but i wonder if you duo something like bot with jgl does the game try to find any duo on the enemy team or do they specifically try to find a bot / jgl ? and also my friend mains jngl mostly playing karthus . i two trick gragas mid and jhin bot do you think we have a good synergy ?

[@PykeonaSpike]

Damn, always awesome to stumble upon being included in Rogue's videos xD (I was the terrible Pyke player :D)

[@xTJJJ]

I got a whole ass deva vu from the strategies mentioned lmao

[@PykeonaSpike]

@@xTJJJ from our coaching session? XD

[@coolbrotherf127]

My friend and I like to play AP Twitch with Ashe support. Normally Twitch struggles early game to be a threat, but Ashe has enough damage and CC with her slows to bully the enemy ADC and make sure they are always in danger of a Twitch all in. Plus in most ELOs below Diamond, ADCs seem to have a lack of object permanence and will just stay in lane at half HP with no vision and get burst down by the Twitch over and over again. The strategy only works though if the Ashe player is actually good at the champion and cannot get engaged on by the enemy support every 2 seconds.

[@scottsharwood9465]

another great informative video, send this guy to 100k, +1 like

[@xKumei]

I've been wondering why every time I try to duo queue with friends we end up losing way more. I get why it's like this but it's kind of disappointing.

[@ohxci]

me and my duo play renekton karthus its pretty op imo

[@rockyender2147]

My duo undersells malz all the time, I thinks malz garen is a nasty combo

[@MikeDamours]

In the varus video , how can varus get first blood , on his SECOND KILL? Never seen that in a game , and i play a ton

[@TeyvatTheatre]

It happened in worlds 2023 too. Can’t recall which game tho. It’s a bug.

[@technofreak39]

What would you say is a good duo for a Senna (OTP)?

[@Asoudo33]

I'm not anyone of note but duod for a few years now in bot lane, imo senna is rough as an adc right now; hard to farm early and less souls. Playing her as a support tahm kench, cho, maybe sett etc are weirdly some of her best duos, just have the tank/bruiser focus on cs and getting senna souls to be the carry late game. If you want a more traditional adc to duo w/ her, Samira, nilah, kaisa etc aren't bad, she can help them win trades at their shorter range with Q and R can follow up dives decently.

[@knifefest]

Your description of why you end up with less LP when in a large-skill-disparity duo queue is very counterintuitive for me. The game has a guess as to how good you are. It uses that guess to put you in games where it thinks you're just as likely to win as you are to lose (typically). I'd imagine that being in a wide skill disparity duo queue doesn't change that part, except of course the fact that it'll adjust your expected win chances if you're a duo against all solos. I think the phenomenon you're seeing is actually due to these factors: Because you're duo, and there's such a large skill disparity, that puts a lower bound on how certain the game can be as to what your rank is. If a master+ player and a silver player queue together for every single match on both of their accounts, I'd imagine that their LPs and MMRs will take a very very long time to diverge. The game is unable to accurately assess which person contributes more to wins because one person's contributions are averaged out with the other's. The reason that this slows down your LP gains is because the system is stalling for time to get enough data to ascertain whether you're two players that both deserve platinum or whether someone is carrying the other, and which one is which.

[@iratevagabond204]

Wait. . . So it could ACTUALLY be my duo's fault we're losing, even when we're doing well/winning lane? Because we're duo'd, we could be screwing our teammates? Did I hear that wrong?

[@sharang26]

yeah because you're duo you have to carry extra hard. your teammates are playing a harder game

[@iratevagabond204]

@@sharang26 That sucks. . . I (Sup, Zyra main) play with my son (ADC, Yasuo main), and we both just started playing this past summer. We've crawled our way from iron 2 & 3, and have crawled up to silver 4 & bronze 1. It's been an absolute slogfest and it seems like we're losing really hard because our top and/or mid lanes are getting pushed to last turret by the 15 minute mark. Some games we don't get objectives unless the two of us have time to go up and take dragon ourselves, without the jungles help.

[@sharang26]

@@iratevagabond204 you're playing games with your son that's already winning. but yeah low elo is brutal, you have to 2v5 babysit as duo and ping your jg for every obj

[@TeyvatTheatre]

@@iratevagabond204This is where you gotta cheese and play duo’s that combo together, but also a strong or oppressive enough early game. Don’t necessarily need kills, just denying gold+xp is huge in lower elos while you have a surplus. My buddy and I just Lucian+Nami, Caitlyn+Lux/Morg, Draven+Ashe/Panth, Xayah+Rakan, Aphelios/ADC+Nautilus and cream our lanes by not leashing and getting that early lane prio to keep our lane off the wave and from playing the game - leashing in high ELO isn’t really a thing, so, we don’t bother in low elo either. We started out in Iron and quickly shot up with 90%+ WRs. Granted, our main accounts are higher up on the ladder solo-queue, these accounts were just to duo and not affect our solo accounts, but, may find some combos you like from what we used.

[@skoodlemoose]

okay now what do i do when i have a 90+ win rate with my duo who is a higher rank than me but im getting +9 lp per win and - 40 per loss in d4

[@theoforestier8766]

opgg?

[@ThetaXeno]

not going to lie when i duoed with friends this season i went from +21 to +26 so idk it was just them being higher rank than me or something (it was in emerald)

[@MrDT2012]

Take duo out the game. Some people can’t even play unless someone else is in their ear.

[@sephirothcloud3953]

I think u are the best but I'm done listening about strategy, they don't work in low elo, I never saw a challenger playing in a hardstuck gold account and win, never, only with new fresh mmr account. These strategies are for someone that has brain, master and up, you talk about strategy to your duo he say yes then he does the opposite, you forgive him once, 2,3 then u flame him and delete him.

[@evanthegreatgamer4956]

challengers easliy win on hardstuck accounts thats what being boosted is

[@sephirothcloud3953]

@@evanthegreatgamer4956 wrong, only few challengers can do it and only playing 2-3 specific champions

[@DarkXDestroyer1]

@@sephirothcloud3953 I'm Emerald and I can carry a hardstuck Gold player. A challenger player could do it with their eyes closed. Practice and stop blaming others for your low skill level.

[@sephirothcloud3953]

@@DarkXDestroyer1you are a lier, cause not even challengers can do it if its not a fresh account

[@iliasdinia6475]

Challengers have the knowledge and the skills to carry ANY low elo game no matter how fucked it is, the only way they don't carry it its if they play poorly which happens to everyone. Your issue with the duo that doesnt really listen, well think a bit, you have to find someone who wants to get better at the game, has the right mindset and then it works. What stops it from working is the skill of the 2 players, there's no one to blame but ourselves