How does Epic Waterloo Compare with 15mm?

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I picked up two sprues of the new Epic Napoleonic cavalry from the December edition of Wargames Illustrated magazine at Salute and I thought i'd see how they compare with some of my older 15mm Napoleonics.....
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[@delryn256]

They match up well, it's really only the more "realistic" proportions that the plastic has vs the old metals. Paint job is great too!

[@BootsontheTable]

cheers

[@Kevin.Mitchell]

Nice - I now understand how you get through figures so quick - clever editing!

[@BootsontheTable]

damn found out ;)

[@alistairbain6149]

Great video and the painting looks smashing! Thank you 😊

[@BootsontheTable]

thank you!

[@fogh]

Fabulous job getting them painted them up - they look grand 👍. I’d have no problems using the new figures with your existing 15s - they look fine in comparison.

[@BootsontheTable]

yeah they do seem to fit with the older 15s

[@flashgordon1262]

i bought the acw stater set at xmas...6 months later i have done about 3/4 of them 😅

[@CullodenPaintingStudio]

Thanks for the comparison. I might pic up a Wargames Illustrated for a closer look and to paint some up, but I have too many other projects to take on this scale too!

[@BootsontheTable]

it's worth having a look at the WI sprue for sure mate

[@MiniatureRealms]

Really good review Dom, agree with all your points. Nice work on getting them painted as well.

[@BootsontheTable]

Cool, thanks!

[@Rusty_Gold85]

I would paint up the 95th stands as KGL Light and other Rifle units . Paradigm shift . Everything is a possibility if you loosen your tie and undo the belt

[@BootsontheTable]

very true

[@GP_uniquehandlefail]

Never thought of that point before Dom, and it is one well made - about the closeness of these new Naps to older 15mm. Maybe the arrival of epic might tempt more people into the smaller scale Naps allowing others to blow the dust off their old 15mm armies to fight new competitors in a "close enough" scale. I think there would be more old metal armies in red and blue than were in blue and grey. Hopefully less button counting at that scale that otherwise might (understandably) scare off the excited new guys. Really these Napoleonics are just making me more hopeful for an ECW range in the future. Do it Warlord soon. Do iiiiiiiit.

[@BootsontheTable]

i think there's a far chance we'll get ECW Epic and probably ancients of some variety

[@leont66wargaming31]

Great comparison Dom. They do look nice painted up. I agree with your thoughts on the sprue set ups. Looks like characters will be a good option in 15mm as the difference is not to noticeable. Nice one mate.

[@BootsontheTable]

Totally agree

[@ernieme101]

if you look at any of the Warlord big box sets they never do symmetrical forces . for example , one side will have cavalry but no artillery , and the other side will be the other way around . i assume this is to guarantee that you will almost immediately have to buy at least one more box of something in order to make the forces equal .

[@BootsontheTable]

you could be right there

[@oldschoolfrp2326]

I probably won’t get more than my cover sprue, but I might dig around for some very old 15mm metal figures to go with them. Pretty sure I have at least one pack of early Minifigs somewhere.

[@BootsontheTable]

yeah good call

[@lionheart3916]

Great review Dom you did a nice job on the painting 👍

[@BootsontheTable]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@basicminiaturepainting]

Really nice review Dom,I look forward to getting this magazine

[@BootsontheTable]

good stuff

[@Edward-Plantagenet]

Great video and this release I think is very good and great VFM. I also though it was odd about the rifles. No bid deal for me though as I plan to use them for KGL and Hanoverian lights.

[@BootsontheTable]

they are pretty nice so I think for most they wont be an issue

[@mattcappelli5822]

Thanks for the comparison. The 15mm do look chunkier, but you can definitely get away with combining units. Since This will be my first dip into Napoleonics, I’m really excited about this!

[@BootsontheTable]

go for it Matt they are nice figures and the bundles are very good value I think

[@mattcappelli5822]

@@BootsontheTable I may or may not have preordered both armies and the two buildings... I always wanted to paint Napoleonics and this gives me the chance to get that shoulder to shoulder, musket to musket feel that I don’t think you get with 28 mm

[@David_R434]

When I was looking at getting into 15mm for the Peninsular campaign was advised that 15mm was a loose guide and some are bit smaller some go up to 18mm. These will be good for the 100 day campaign and I'll look at the traditional '15mm' and 28mm for the Peninsular war campaigns.

[@BootsontheTable]

like all scales there is a huge variety of sizes, especially newer figures creep ever larger compared to older ones

[@steveholmes11]

Interesting to see Warlord expanding into Napoleonics (at least 1 of his battles). A brave decision in many ways. The greater variety of troops (compared to ACW) is always going to challenge a new range. The practicalities of plastics (large production runs) revive the old Airfix problem of never having the right ratios of the minority troop types. For gamers there's also the lack if a compatible Kallistra range to fill out gaps in your roster. Let's face it, Wellington's multinational force has a lot of Dutch, Belgians, Nassauers.... each with varieties of horse, foot and guns. I cannot imagine all those types being available as epic plastic. I wish both Warlord and their players luck.

[@BootsontheTable]

if they encourage more people into the historical side of the hobby its a win in my book

[@phildent7534]

Great little video and review

[@BootsontheTable]

Thanks 👍

[@NicGamz]

Very nice showcase. I MIGHT buy into Epic Napolionic. This Epic scale brings back my self when I was a kid when I had my own 1/72 Napolionic army. What is the name of the manufacture of those other 15mm? Any one know? In mass they acctully all fit together very good I think of what I can see. For the 95th I guess you have to get your cutters out and make your own skirmisline, kitbashing. But I think WL would release a " skirmish kit " only for 95th? Take care 👍

[@BootsontheTable]

i wish i could remember what range they were but probably MiniFigs or something . I think there will be skirmishing rifles but just a shame they didnt do it with the first wave

[@johnclarke9498]

Help full video and nicely made ,Would i be able to paint so of the 95th as portuguese or Dutch?

[@BootsontheTable]

yes probably Portuguese maybe Hannovarians

[@johnclarke9498]

@@BootsontheTable Hannovarians! Good thinking 🧐

[@squigs1917]

Can use the rifle battalion as the three other light battalions that were at Waterloo and wore stove pipe also the 28th and also as militia for the Hanoverians etc so plenty of options

[@haroldhardrada7449]

Most of the Hanoverian line regiments started out as light infantry and many still wore that uniform at Waterloo. In addition to the Hanoverian militia, all the Dutch militia wore the stovepipe shako. With some imagination, there are plenty of uses for the formed up rifles.

[@BootsontheTable]

very good point - still think its a shame they didnt include skirmishers on the standard British sprue

[@JackSargePainting]

Well rounded review sir. Not my cup of tea, but like you say, it might get some new folks into the hobby.

[@BootsontheTable]

cheers mate

[@Hagiastheite]

Did you do any 'how I paint' videos of the epic Napoleonic infantry sets?

[@BootsontheTable]

No I didn’t buy into epic Napoleonics

[@JP-ml4zh]

Great review thanks Dom, might fit with my old 15mm mini figs…….but perhaps I’ll stay at 28mm I can see those…..🤔😀😀

[@BootsontheTable]

28mm looks better!

[@greggwalker4777]

These look great. I have my napoleonics all in 1/72 scale from Airfix, Revell. Italeri etc. Can anyone tell me how 15mm compares size wise? Or 28 mm? Are either compatible with 1/72.. Id love to try the Black powder ones but the figures look a bit coarse and stunted in height - like they have a hormonal problem with growth, if you know what I mean!

[@BootsontheTable]

1/72 will be too big for 15mm but too small for 28mm. Its pretty much 20mm scale. I would stick with your 1/72, if you have a loads of those already and there are some nice ranges

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Dom ,

[@BootsontheTable]

You are very welcome

[@lesliebeilby-tipping6854]

I think you will need to get Laura the equivalent of the bromide for her to keep Ken under control over Epic. For him it will go the same way as the ACW epic. Dom you will get the sizes of the green plastic bases as for the ACW. They are a lot better casting than the early Lammings and Minifigs and would match for size. The Hussars look like Mikes Models.

[@BootsontheTable]

yes some of those early minis were pretty basic

[@smoothbrush4722]

Nice comparison

[@BootsontheTable]

Welcome

[@bonysminiatures3123]

Might as well paint them up being free , they look just champion dom

[@BootsontheTable]

cheers mate

[@mobileandhostile7895]

⭐️ not my thing but a very good and balanced review - thanks ⭐️ 👍

[@BootsontheTable]

Thanks for watching!

[@shadowcat3163]

Your Dragoon guards look to be Mini Figs and the Hussars in front look to be Old Glory brand (got both myself). From my matching it looks like they were just a bit larger than Mini Figs but not a bad match. if the infantry holds true to the same scaling, then they learned after the Civ War run to scale them with other lines so people will not have to start over (or pass on the smaller figs). Going to base mine for Napoleons Battle rules (First Ed Avalon Hill) as I can also use them for Command and Colors Napoleonic's and Black Powder as there is no set basing rules for that rules set. Likely will get more cav but not sure on the infantry as I am already overloaded and prefer the peninsular campaign or Austrians myself (Now a infantry sprue of Austrians with Grenzers for the skirmishers on the other hand). Also have over 2K metal figs already about half of which are painted. Last the price point for a box set for one side is a bit over the top and will scare off first timers into the era. WAAYYY too expensive for a couple of dozen plastic sprues, they think they are GW or something?

[@BootsontheTable]

do you think the price too much? i dont see it myself but them i mainly play 28mm

[@shadowcat3163]

@@BootsontheTable If you get the discount from 19th century the metal Old Glory are almost cheaper

[@gueststrivler]

I think 15mm is on its way to becoming "Betamax" and that 12mm will be ubiquitous, at least for big battles ...the only figs I'm aware of which match 12mm approximately (as near as makes any difference) are the very ancient Peter Laing ranges and (not Napoleonic) Kallistra. Waterloo was the obvious starter range to suit the British market, but I hope Russians, Austrians and Prussians come on stream eventually too.

[@BootsontheTable]

I cant say I agree on the 15mm - so many ranges out there already and many players love them. For new players the pricepoint of epic does make it very interesting though.

[@seanhejnal246]

As a napoleonic miniature player I m pleased to see interest again in this the queen of games. But, inspite of the quality , I must ask WHYWHY WHY make them not the same scale? As the prime makers of five slightly grow the scale to 17- 18 mm these become less desirable. Bless them none the less, but damn what a opportunity lost.

[@BootsontheTable]

well with that argument there would only be true 25mm scale - or maybe 54mm! Manufacturers are always tweaking scales and I guess this is no different

[@MrElliptific]

We just need to wait for someone to actually make them compatible with modern 15mm.

[@BootsontheTable]

Just buy 15mm 🤣

[@MrElliptific]

@@BootsontheTable I like plastic.