How Does Jagex Ban Bots? A Brief History Of RuneScape Botting

Today I'm going to cover a topic that players have wondered for years. How does Jagex ban bots? It's always been a really confusing subject for people. There's dozens of reports of people claiming to have been banned for no reason, players who run dozens of bot farms and have never been banned, and so on. Now before I get started I just want to say I do not condone botting whatsover It's completely against the rules and will almost certainly get banned. This video is not to encourage botting at all in fact in some ways it may discourage you.
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[@FramedYT]

great video :)

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you so much!!! Really happy that you enjoyed it. :D

[@alphanieve8749]

Its easy to bot just people haven't realized that if you don't hook onto the client you do some crafty openCV you can do anything. Biggest problem with most bots is they scan too much and inject and take too much code from the actual game itself or do things way too simply. If you make something simple and realistic to what a human does its impossible to detect. They cannot detect hardware based hacks, cannot detect Artificial intelligence my example would be recording multiple human mouse actions specify openCV to copy those actions to a degree / mimic and change them, then move to the inventory and then tell the computer to take a random action destination to the item in a specified X, Y area, Click in random X Y position or miss reclick, all doing this while not injecting or decompiling code from the game. All systems have flaws and jagex especially has them, the only reason why most people get caught is because the mouse actions are way too smooth they always never follow a different mouse path, always click and never miss or if they do miss they usually repeat the same action on the same interval and finally they never mimic what the human would actually do. If they were to see the actions specified above they would believe its a person, not a bot. You could also give tasks as inputting the english database and give it the ability to deep learn when some one gives a response threw text but all would be very complicated and take a very long time to program. I am personally on the side of players wanting to get XP but in a way thats legitimate but I think it would be cool if players could get afk XP jagex has really never encouraged or added it as a game mechanic, people would have no reason to want to bot anymore.

[@9HPRuneScape]

OSRS = Bot2win RS3: = Pay2Win xD

[@vaylik]

@@9HPRuneScape truth

[@xNecrosu]

im afraid of getting banned just for standing still chopping the same tree over and over again...

[@ryanbond9378]

I got banned once and was sent to Botany Bay, but I was innocent. The next day I saw I was unbanned from macroing and Jagex credited 25 Squel Fortune spins to my account for the trouble. So yes, innocent people do get banned.

[@FreestylesnipingBF4]

KC Booth How did you get your ban revoked? I got perma banned for botting but i never botted, I swear!

[@MrMardoon]

@@FreestylesnipingBF4 I belive you, this happend to me today

[@sanzhsn]

@@FreestylesnipingBF4 same

[@talcat8031]

3 years ago I was banned for botting, honestly don’t even know how to make a bot never even looked into it. But I didn’t play much and I never found out until recently. Submitted an appeal. I was wondering why they thought I was botting that’s how I ended up here but it didn’t really help lol.

[@user-un8jx8yo7z]

Honestly it gave little information about how Jagex bans bots rather than what approaches they take and a little history. I still found the video very interesting though. I didn't know that bots were mostly injection and reflection. I always thought botting was macros just a bunch of recordings of where to click and when to click.

[@ShredDanielGuitar]

You just invented a new bot type

[@flattbush6298]

This may or may not be true, but I remember hearing that the runescape camera moves on its own very slowly in a way that you can't really notice but disables those click recording bots. it may also have been that the speed of the camera slightly changes after so long

[@zozococoFTW]

Flattbush just as a normal player if you bank stand for long you will notice the sreen had change from the beginning but you never noticed it it's wired

[@roronoazoro9110]

yes it does if record a clip and speed it up a shit ton you can see it moving

[@iSwearToCod]

lol yeh well theres a program called mouse recorder or whatever, and you'd click record and do it a couple times and then click play, and it will keep repeating what you did. but like everyone says they have ways to combat it because of its simplicity. also things such as; fishing spots changing, trees going down, defeats the purpose of it. you can't really go indepth with it. but you could use it for things such as buying something in a shop over and over. but then theres the 6 hour log , bots are way more intelligent, they can just login again lol

[@ZohMyFkinGod]

When i was getting 99 hunter, there was a bot catching chins next to my spot. He was lv 85 when i first saw it. I reported it 10 times per day and asking people passing by to report him. So even if multiple reports from one person doesn't add much in the balance, the bot still received around 10 reports from different people every day. It was still there after 2 weeks when i got my 99 and it got its 99 a few days before i did since it never sleeps. I got 50k chins by getting 99, so the bot also got 50k chins without getting banned even with over 100 reports from different players. I don't know how the report system works, but if that doesn't get an account banned, i don't think reporting someone does anything. And just to be clear, it was a bot. I often stole its hunting spot and it would lose its traps cause it can only put traps on 5 specific tiles. If you "steal" those spots, it just waits there for hours. And when it loses all its traps, another bot logs in and trades with the red chin bot to give it an inventory of new traps. So that means there must have been a network of red chin bots with one bot (or more) giving them new traps so they don't have to bank themselves. The guy running that must have made 1M chins in 2 weeks with 20 accounts. And chances are none of them got banned if the one i reported didn't. They do get banned once they hit 99 in a skill though, cause once you're high in the leaderboards, you draw attention. I saw that account dissapear from highscores at 15m xp. And i rarely saw a bot lv 99. But i saw over 50 of them around 95. They have time to make bank before they get banned. Because of that, when an account is banned, they just train another. So you can see 20 bots hunting birds. They are future red chin bots. It's crazy. A mod could just go there and easily ban over 500 bots every day. But they don't...

[@thestreetlawyer1]

I agree with you. botters are sad pieces of garbage.

[@eurosonly]

You don't get banned immediately. It took them years to get to my account back in 2010. I got away with a maxed botted account for six years lol.

[@rockname]

My account was banned @ the Bot Nuke day when I had never used or even knew what a bot was. I was 9 at the time.

[@kylem123]

Rockname Rocky lol

[@rockname]

Was I the only innocent one banned that day? Honestly

[@SocialSketch]

9 year olds aren't human though.

[@rockname]

I don't get the joke?

[@nyapurrr]

Considering the age limit for runescape is higher than 9, I'm not surprised.

[@ZonkzUK]

If you want to hardcore bot, do it starting on friday evening after about 5pm GMT, then just 24 hour it until monday morning when you will get banned. You won't get banned until Jagex are back at work on Monday morning when they review any accounts that were flagged by their detection systems over the weekend. So even though the account will get banned eventually, you have a whole weekend to grind it for as long as possible and then transfer all cash made to your main. If you do this with like 10 accounts at once, you're in the money every weekend :)

[@rocking195]

They track who bots trade with so if 10 bots are trading to your account it's pretty likely you're gonna get banned on your main.

[@ZonkzUK]

use multiple mule accounts and then if you're really worried, try doing a drop trade from a mule account to your main

[@BIG2hats]

I've drop traded at least 500m and never had a problem

[@ezrat69]

They also have autobans if the account gets flagged a bunch of times tho. No idea what the actual quota is but at a certain point you get an autoban. If you're aiming for max efficiency with the bot it'll get clearly flagged a ton. The video itself talks about the fact that there's a software that doles out bans.

[@Kioh2]

My friend used a color bot to hit 99 attack back in the day, he was banned literally 30 seconds after buying the skillcape. I tired so hard not to laugh.

[@relletsgaming3354]

I received a temp ban from botwatch under "suspicion". The ban lasted 7 days and I spent several of the days trying to find out why since the emails back and forth had absolutely no context behind the ban. I've played on this account for over 10 years with no issues. Nobody ever cleared up the situation, and I just stopped playing the game. I was pissed off, Jagex will never get any money from me ever again.

[@DispIeasedDog]

Nuke day had my account banned and I wasn't even a bot.

[@jamieray7278]

Ethan W not even surprised fr

[@ChristopherGray00]

Yeah. That's what they all say.

[@DispIeasedDog]

@@ChristopherGray00 did you really reply to a four year old comment about RuneScape?

[@UnkillableJay]

one of my accounts got banned for botting when I never botted on it... so yes, bot watch has banned legit players.

[@roachthecarguy2495]

Mine got banned as well I was legitimately playing at never used any botting software. now however I do use modding software and have rebuilt my cash stack to three times what it ever was.

[@isaakyhsialf4369]

@Egg T the comment is old but idc anyway it's not because you say you were legit that it's proof, you need proof ya kno so you could just be lying and you would not be alone

[@deathmetalmarten]

I remember a while after that massive bot nuke day being pulled into some separate area of RS. A mod showed up, asked if I was botting, realized I was just very efficient at hunting (or whatever I was doing) and sent me on my way. As long as the bot-in-question is paying attention and at their keyboard, they should be fine, but I was even alt-tabbed for a couple minutes watching vids. Scared the crap outta me to not be where I expected and to have a mod staring me in the face, but I did nothing wrong haha

[@daoyang6055]

As a kid I thought you could torrent RuneScape membership.

[@SnackJar]

You can now lol it's called real world trading well you get discounts on member buying gold off websites and buying bonds in game

[@daoyang6055]

@@SnackJar lmao I think you can get mem codes for like .25c a day or something.

[@sauce4974]

This dude downloaded everything on limewire

[@at1live]

I have a feeling this guy condones bots

[@TheHonorableMarine]

I have a feeling your parent's condom broke.

[@DrArku]

You can't count on people being able to recognize sarcasm from text.

[@DrArku]

You can't count on people being able to recognize sarcasm from text.

[@hunterfindon1018]

I have a feeling I have crippling depression.

[@CRITicLawl]

I find it quite amusing that your light-hearted comment about the narrator's rhetoric leads to an argument. I'm sorry, and hope you can laugh back at the internet.

[@harrison7234]

This is actually a really interesting topic I would have never looked into on my own. Great video!

[@ColonelloRS]

Thanks I'm glad you like it! :D

[@andrew_sar]

Didn't go into enough detail and was very vague. Should have talked about SCAR, Autorune, Powerbot, ect.

[@number1staker]

There was a period during the release of botany bay and the new system, they accidentally banned a bunch of accounts (including my own) for a false bot ban, and gave us 2 weeks membership for the hassle. was unbanned in a few hours though.

[@ColonelloRS]

Glad to hear you were unbanned. :)

[@SRT_Ajax]

number1staker for the "hassle" omg so cringe.

[@entraptana]

They never unbanned me, even though i only played once every week or so and tried to contact them to get unbanned unsuccessfullym i never even knew about bots existence at the time..

[@MagicCrabbie]

I've only recently got into runescape (been playing about a month now) Though I had a lvl 60ish account back when I was 13. But i've been watching the occasional video and honestly your channel seems to be the only ones that are actually watchable! Keep up with the decent content my dude :)

[@pavlo5.055]

my friend botted 30-99 agility and didn't get banned

[@shaneiros155]

botting agility is something alot of people do and i don't think that is they're main focus while other bots like green dragon killers and bots that make profit are more of a concern.

[@JTBCOOL1]

ask him what bot client he used, when he botted, and how many hours per day he botted. I need this information for umm... research.

[@darkplays6543]

research... yea i need to finish my research too

[@PoorCoyotee]

Sure its wrong but like bas biemans said, it wont benefit you with anything else than xp. But making money with no effort at all is just bad for the ingame economy.

[@IliasJoels]

Botted for max 4 hours a day with small breaks within those 4 hours. Use a premium bot. Good luck.

[@paratek_io]

You got injection partly wrong and you got reflection completely wrong. With injection you can modify the game in anyay you like, there is no unreachable code. All cluster flutter did was add an extra step. Any half wit can write a control flow deober which will view non-dummy functions, from there you write software that searches for patterns in the bytecode which you then use to identify fields in the game that hold data such as ids, names, or locations. From there there are multiple directions to go, the most common being is generating interfaces that you make the Runescape client implement, then all you are doing is casting Runescape classes to your own so you are able to access what ever you put in there. The beautiful thing about injection is you can bypass every single physical detection method, Jagex checks what classes are load at runtime, you just filter yours out, Jagex checks memory usage, you just make them return a normal value, they check things like your is version, Java version/vendor, you just set those to what ever you like. Reflection DOES NOT CREAT A COPY OF THE GAME for fuck sake I don't know why people think that. All reflection does is allow you to 'statically' view fields and functions currently loaded in the JVM without having direct access to them, its the JVM looking at/within itself, it doesn't need to create a copy to do this. Cluster fluttered added heavy obfuscation to the game, such that thing change on every update, now after every update every bit developer has software that automatically identifies what Jagex is trying to hide.

[@OnlyTruthLove]

@@dontworryaboutit8127 Actually, he is the smart one here. What idiot would mindlessly keep clicking the same spot over and over. People do that only to then brag about how mindless they are. What an accomplishment of determination!!!! I clicked the same spot for years until i maxed an account. Do you not realize how brain dead that is? Its like bragging that you have stared at the wall for 70 years. What a waste of life that would be, but with the mentality of most playing runescape, what an accomplishment!

[@mikeblazey3906]

Ok BIG HEAD

[@Dgc2003]

Regarding 'packet' bots. This wasn't really a common bot and only one that I can think of was ever very good/popular(AutoRune). AutoRune specifically acted like a proxy, having your client connect *through* it and modifying/substituting/generating command packets while reading server packets for info. These were NOT 'easily' fixed. Encryption does not matter in this case. If the client is able to decrypt the packet so is the bot. One way that Jagex mass-identified AutoRune users was by sneaking in a small change. The client was updated to send a special packet every X number of packets sent. If the client didn't send this special packet periodically it was a bot. I'm also pretty sure that previous bots, namely RuneBot, experienced mass bans prior to AutoRune so it wasn't the 'first time' there were mass bans of botters. A note to readers: When the video is talking about these early bots it shows examples in OSRS(e.g. the color bot example). But these bots are all from Classic at this point. Regarding Fatigue: No, it wasn't effective at all. Eventually OCR(Optical Character Recognition) programs could just read the captcha and type it for you. Prior to OCRs a novel little system was used. Botters would open 'Fatigue Operator' which would show them a captcha. They would type in the answer along with dozens/hundreds of other users and whoever got it correct first earned one point. When they would want to bot they would start 'Sleepwalker' which would take an image of their captcha and send it to users who have Fatigue Operator open and would then type their captcha for them. This effected normal users the most I think. When Fatigue was first put in sleeping bags didn't exist and no extra beds were added to the game. This meant that you had to walk from wherever you were skilling to the nearest bed to sleep. For example from the fishing guild to upstairs in the windmill. As far as current/future detection methods. Using machine learning to classify user input as legitimate/fake is likely the future. Valve is experimenting with this.

[@xex2kok]

This video seemed more like he looked up some info on botting rather than he actually knew what he was talking about. He likely didn't bot in classic or even osrs before it was old school.

[@ShortBusMfia]

I'm so glad that my last account got banned for botting, even though I've never botted in my life... I literally didn't play for months and came back to find out my account had been banned even though I hadn't even touched the game.

[@ariremel7571]

Maybe it got hijacked

[@PixelPhobiac]

As a free script writer for one of the biggest open-source rs bots, I always assumed that jagex was only able to use machine learning based pattern recognition on. Therefore I tried to implement basian randomness on all the types of actions I wrote. Many 100+ hours running screens and as far as I remember no reported bans. Very interesting to read the official statements of jagex all those years later

[@shadycheese]

Personally, I tinker with image matching in Jitbit’s Macro Recorder with programmed fail-safes. If/unless statements help to make the macro flow easier with little to no hiccups. Click on image is a nice tool as well as cursor offset and random delays. Bots always work best when you make them yourself.

[@Vicorcivius]

If botwatch bans one real human who is not botting then it does more harm than good. Its the same as putting an innocent person in prison. Immoral and wrong as hell.

[@Misterlikeseverythin]

Actually, it's quite simple, knowing the time it came out it is most likely a data-driven system. Basically, an AI that takes in as inputs player actions and outputs the probability of it being a bot. It is trained on bot examples. Presumably, the inputs Jagex receives is the action done, it's time and maybe camera movements. I got falsely banned. Was training at sand craps, so a lot of afking. I also didn't move the camera a lot and got quite consistent with the agro reset times and always moved to the same spot by clicking on the map. I assume the tasks like fishing, fire making, cooking, smithing etc are even now bottable, but the bots used would probably be color/image recognition bots, so if you left them overnight they would probably be found logged out or hung.

[@rockyfalldownstairs]

I got falsely banned about a month ago and I found out today. Bot Watch is just a far too extreme measure, I honestly would rather have bots around me than to have the potential of being banned for being too efficient at the game or too good.

[@PietG]

5:30 thank me later

[@mustafaba6981]

Dunarky tyvm he is fking speaking for 5 m

[@jameshighway2308]

Leakomesto Thank you

[@Grfi-p5v]

I was recently perm banned for macoring and I know I never did. People can assume whatever. I just think the bot detection is flawed. I cant even appeal the ban which makes it worst.

[@jamieray7278]

Rasheed Karim i know the feeling from a year ago

[@xyerzen3024]

They just abolished virtual slavery

[@Vincenttst]

0:35 U forgot to edit that part :)

[@ColonelloRS]

Wow I watched the video twice and didn't notice until now. I'm running on zero sleep so don't be surprised if that happens again somewhere in the video LOL.

[@Vincenttst]

3:55 aswell

[@Vincenttst]

yea it did :P No problem! It takes alot of time to make video's I suppose. So Ill forgive you x)

[@sylvanransom704]

haha, I watched this and didn't notice

[@brwntwn123]

I thought that him repeating it was for emphasis lol

[@simmerke1111]

Mod Jacmob created a client that ran the game. It couldn't load any scripts at all. His hiring was a pretty bad decision since he didn't make a bot, he just made a custom client in theory. This while colorbots were still fully operational too. I remember the bot nuke, a lot of chinese guys being angry because their bots were taken down, while players could still bot their ass off. Injection clients are still up too, they'll never quit popping up. If they manage to fix colorbotting. That'd be the end of all bots.

[@1800pouned]

I botted right through the bot nuke. I crawled out through the fallout baby.

[@ixamraxi]

I imagine one method bot detection software uses is delay analysis, such as checking to see if the interval/time between mouseclicks is too precise for human click (e.g. ten clicks in a row all at exactly 500ms apart , or 5000 clicks all between 200-300ms). Sophisticated botting software would have complex delay software to ensure it doesn't outperform a human in either consistency or speed.

[@xxl3th4lg4m3rxx]

I remember when the bot nuke dropped. I was at soul wars and it was packed with players then the nuke dropped and we were all logged out. Upon relogging i find soul wars went from being packed to now about 10-30 players left (not even enough ppl to play the minigame on its official world) and i waited a bit to see if more people would relog in. Nope lol. Sadly, that was the last day of soul wars i ever played. It completely died shortly after. Then i think they just pulled it completely. Soul wars, pest control, and stealing creations were like the best minigames because you actually earned useful rewards.

[@kitestar]

Now that I think about it, some years ago, I think I was a victim of a random ban, it claimed I cheated, but I don't ever remember having done so…I could have emailed to them and ask to lift it, due to pleading innocence, but I didn't find all the steps and just made a new account, which I use to this day. As you said it's a rare chance that bot nuke affected real players, I was one of the unlucky ones

[@brewergamer]

Unfortunately bots in oldschool runescape are still rampant and destroying the player economy. They seem nonexistent in RS3 though.

[@HamguyBacon]

pfff, runescape economy was wrecked a long time ago, people these days just hand out money to beggars rather than tell them to fuck off. jagex are fucking retards and destroyed their game trying to clone wow.

[@TheAazah]

Hamguy Bacon Nothing wrong helping new players. Bot brings in money and ruins the encomany while just handing out free money doesn't effect that. Usually players who give out money has earned it by pking or skilling or pvm. While botting is auto.

[@jayzshooter8893]

bots drive the economy, if they weren't there you wouldn't be able to skill. they gather shit that people don't want to.. there isn't enough players anymore to drive the economy..

[@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333]

I thought botting was just scripted clicking and camera movements.

[@AllianceOG]

I have been banned 30+ times using dreambot. I am now almost a maxed main from botting with dreambot. I think jagex pays workers there to access saved account information on the clients. Once I stopped saving my accounts on the clients I stopped getting banned

[@kennethcaveny1552]

My first account I used to play was banned for "botting" I was able to finally repeal the ban after 15 months, but when I tried to get on the account again my password had been changed and when I tried to recover the account everything had been changed. It's stats still grow on the high scores but I've never been able to recover it.

[@x6da9crain]

I hated bots, but now that you forced me to start osrs all over again from lvl 124 back to lvl 3..What choice do I have

[@realreview7932]

learn to script your own it is much more educational not even just for runescape people i know were making 5k a month from gold farming not just on runescape tho

[@Sugar-bz5np]

Dude the best parts if the game are going for level 3-99 stop playing if you can't play fair

[@brandonstackhouse9655]

Yeah what's the point of playing if you just bot, kinda dumb you know lol.

[@HelloWorld-sg3bt]

A few rumours.. + Jagex can detect if an official client is being used by randomly disconnecting the player, if or when you log back in the client searches for a code inbeded in the official client, if the code is not detected it's assumed you're not using the official client. + Colour bots are easily broken for a variety of reasons however what you might not have noticed is that each time you login the colours of all the surroundings change a few shades, nothing noticeable to they eye though, this easily breaks them. + Many bots are caught by 'false clicks', this is when a you click through an object to click another, for example, if you are woodcutting by a wall, and the is a tree behind it, if you click the tree through the wall and it's not visible, that's a false click. + Training the same skill all the time or for too long is a big indicator. + Jagex flag IP address (apparently MAC addresses too but I find that hard to believe), so if you create a new account with a flagged IP you'll generally get banned within a couple hours. Botting is harder to get away with nowadays, my main was banned after 10 years of botting.

[@mathiasdeweerdt1400]

+ Many bots are caught by 'false clicks', this is when a you click through an object to click another, for example, if you are woodcutting by a wall, and the is a tree behind it, if you click the tree through the wall and it's not visible, that's a false click. + Training the same skill all the time or for too long is a big indicator. Those 2 would be really bad since a lot of streamers, B0aty and such train skills for hours on end, I bet there are some dedicated regular players who do this aswell. On he topic of false clicks, this is something I do whilst playing runescape because I can't be arsed to rotate the camera.

[@HelloWorld-sg3bt]

Hi Mathias :) they're all rumours as no one really knows. Many players train the same skill for hours on end, I believe it's just one of many indicators used to see if a player is botting, I don't think it's likely to get banned for legit players from showing a few indicators.

[@HardTimesForAll]

i started in feb 2001... originally a bunch of the top 50 combat ppl were botting ghosts (before moss giants became available in varrock dungeon). the account "moderator" would teleport around and see if ppl were really playing. :)

[@DivineXPotato]

getting falsely banned is actually common its not rare but its not an every day thing 199/200 times its a bot, but every now and then its a real player and unless they have proof they can't really do much about it Someone already talked about someone named E, i remember watching a video where someone used a tablet to make darts or something and got banned for macroing, and i've seen someone on reddit appeal to a jagex mod cause he was falsely banned and he got lucky enough to get enough upvotes for it to be noticed and taken seriously.

[@bladeriders]

I was banned a couple of weeks ago on my skiller. I assumed at the time their algorithm detected my shitty mouse that clicked like mad for every 1 click, now I'm sure that's what happened.

[@privatebandana]

Bots are more active than ever now thanks to Jagex. The amount of new people wanting to bot after bot nuke day was extreme because they just found out about it BECAUSE of Jagex talking about it actively. Anyone can just create a few f2p bots, fish for a few days without getting banned, trade their main account, get all the fish and sell them. So the bots might get banned after a few weeks/months but you will still have the profit on your main account no matter what. My uni programming teacher back in 2011 made a working client + script that fished for 8-9 hours before having to be restarted in less than a month after the bot nuke AND he wasn't even a Runescape player. It was just a bunch of us in class that asked him to do it for fun. So.. launching shit like bot nuke day and stuff which only makes it worse for real players is completely useless.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Hundreds of thousands of players quit on the pay to pk riots, not just thousands

[@jamieray7278]

I had an old account a year and a half ago get banned for "botting/macroing" when I legit didn't/don't even own any botting programs, nor do I know how to bot in the slightest. Sent in an appeal and even messaged a few admins/mods on twitter. They basically told me "nope, we know you were botting", didn't even double check anything, and left my account banned, that did nothing wrong. To this day I'm still salty about it, but I play on a new account now that is way farther than any account I've every made before. I just pray this account never gets a false ban, like my old one did. Lol

[@EveelGabe]

When you're writing an essay and trying to make the minimum word count

[@DaD3athShaman]

When I returned to the game back in 2016 I was perm banned within a couple days reasons being due to macroing. Funny enough I learned that day what botting was and that it was a problem with the game. That doesn't matter anymore, I have since surpassed my old account with less than a month of playing.

[@WayTwo]

This video is really well composed!!

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you!

[@ItsAlundra]

I remember when they had sleeping bags. Botters actually used another 3rd party tool which would broadcast the word to others and they would race to type it in first and correctly which would credit their account with solves so they could bot and have others answer it for them.

[@pulsefel9210]

really the botwatch false positives would most likely come from people who are able to click the interface literally as fast as the game can register a command. the slight delay a human is SUPPOSE to possess would validify the account, though constant use of the same interval of delay would also be a sign. basically the more perfect you are the more the bot detector hates you.

[@spy6ter]

jagex made ppl destroy pures when bounty hunter came out AND then they bring back old wildy. thanks jagex

[@shanemacleod4011]

ahh the days when was 50 bots all chopping same tree or ores and rest us be running around trying to find somewhere the bots are not just to level up but i remember having couple days break. coming back on to find my password been hacked after i put ticket in get account back they gave me it back but was banned. i put another ticket in explaining you just gave me my hacked account back and its banned and they refused to unban it, was long time ago but think happened just after the nuke

[@davidlopez5859]

haha the bald people were everywhere chopping trees,fishing,cooking,firemaking you name it looked like a cult

[@ttiimm1322]

Runescape should make their own "bot" because doing construction is a clicking nightmare. Make it like a portable you can buy it and it does a task for you for an hour or so.

[@weslop123456789]

my account from 2011 got banned back in 2016 for botting and i don't even know how to bot. i'm assuming i got hacked or something cause i quit back in 2013 and started up again this year on a new account upon finding out i had been perma-banned.

[@Planclanman3]

I botted 50-88 mining. All was going well until my bot somehow misclicked on the final phase of a random event. I think I was stuck in their for 12 hours 😵. Long story short, I was banned for over 12 years. Best thing that ever happened to me.

[@tavs170333]

Great video but Botwatch has banned real players. A friend of mine was banned, we where skyping with eachother at the time and we had been for a few hours he got banned but after a quick tweet to jagex he got unbanned and recieved a compensation of 10 WoF spins

[@tranquil31]

false bans are real! i was falsely banned and my friend has been too.

[@jokebyLASSE]

Prove it.

[@jingna1853]

Capn Evan prove you are human.

[@ghosthippie3259]

how many times are you going to say "I dont condone botting" jesus.. lol

[@ColonelloRS]

probably a lot lmao

[@awardofsky9908]

Great videos! I don't know how you have so little subscribers.

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you, I'm glad you like them!

[@MewTwoVT]

to much competition

[@williametheridge9694]

0:34 this video is not to encourage botting at all, this video is not to encourage botting at all.

[@whateverppl1229]

6:30 I have been banned for botting before, but i was a member at the time and wasn't perma banned so I never bothered fighting it

[@biglemon5069]

Botting is super easy to get away with. I just stared playing OSRS 1 week ago and I'm already lvl 68. The code must not be up to date on OSRS.

[@Croc.]

Michael Cromwell what bot you use?

[@scottcarrell1224]

i was just banned today. i think if you bot too much they catch on. im fucking pissed lol

[@thestreetlawyer1]

yeah thats why real people dont play osrs anymore. just old pvp yt videos and bots like you left.

[@chrissymurray8034]

I bet your banned now :)

[@NoiseOverMusic]

Seriously, why do you enjoy ruining the game for everybody else?

[@onutube6392]

What about Steven from 301?

[@sethmaskovich2930]

To get away from botting, use a machine that moves your mouse (phyiscally) and clicks at certain points.

[@kjam1679]

Seth Maskovich so what you're suggesting is that I create a real bot to bot for me? Genius!

[@taylorbates4742]

Someone already did this once and got banned for it 😂

[@dedratrs]

Some of the information on the period after the removal of the wilderness is incorrect. For example, there were no worlds for almost an entire year, but we did have Bounty Hunter where the drop mechanics were unchanged only that a 3 minute penalty was added before you could leave with loot if you took items from a kill. Additionally, you could transfer gold through bounty hunter by dying for expensive gear or for food such as pumpkins and easter eggs to another player so there was still a market for gold. And finally, PKing was actually more profitable in the pvp world era because of 76k tricking/statue farming.

[@randybowen4675]

botwatch has banned players, it was rampent in the few days after release, most if not all got unbanned and it was fixed quickly

[@DissingUp]

The anti bot system is pretty bad tbh. it simply checks if an external client is used or not. Or atleast it seems to be.. back when eoc just got released my account had been inactive for months because I didn't like what I heard about the update lol. So I started playing private servers and decided one day that I needed an item ID which wasn't released anywhere at the time, so I loaded up an external client, bought the item on my account, and the next day I was perm banned for a macro major.. despite my account having tops 3 hours login time for months prior to that event. so yeah, Jagex might claim their anti bot system is an amazing shiney tool but I'm not impressed lol. There's a reason why there's only external clients for osrs after all.

[@KingKatura]

I'm curious why botting has always existed and why it can't be stopped as literally it can't be stopped. On that one guy you mentioned i'm going to speculate all he did was give away his buyer base so they could be banned so he got a new pay check. Essentially he would just put code in his bot that would tell him who was using it and then turn them in. I'm curious how bots existed this long but its also clear that they will never go away, but the question is why?As for innocent people being banned believe me it will and probably has happened just look at rainbow6 and that one player he was just that good and the top player at the time didn't want to be beat, so he made up a story that he was using such software and sure enough he was banned only to come back years later and beat the scrub and prove that he was indeed just that dam good.

[@Kasperring]

I was false positived today...I have arthritis in my hands and wrist and had found a place on the monkeybars, where I could click, but never had to change mouse position...Did that till my agil was 55 and logged off to sleep...When I came back to log on, I had a 24 hour ban...I just started playing two weeks ago and haven't done anything other than exploring, some basic skill training and learning about RS (I'm brand new to it)...

[@RSwizard101vids]

great video about bot history

[@ColonelloRS]

Thanks!

[@saatanakettu7514]

Well if i get banned i say you encouraged me to bot

[@ColonelloRS]

no pls!

[@RobustPhysics]

Some time ago, I started botted on some account I didn't really care too much about. While botting, I was talking to other players and freely admitting I was botting. That account never had anything happen to it. I guess talking is a big check against botting, lol.

[@jordanchappell9744]

Watching this now as a botter lol. Thanks for the tips to avoid a few bans

[@Riiyan]

I was banned during this period for botting and I've never botted runescape once, my highest skill was lvl 51 on this account too, I tried to get intouch with them and they didn't care. This is what made me quit Runescape.

[@kielijanstratos2038]

Me and a friend both got a permanent ban for botting gold farming and we were able to get our accounts back because it was a mistake on botwatch

[@dracoswift7481]

I remember back when you could actually get away with botting.

[@TheBobbob6]

I remember when the rc,game,came out and i got 31-99 in 3 days, never logged off and was never banned. Now I cant bot without getting banned, just got banned lol. Guess its time to throw in the towel on botting before I lose my account completely lol

[@slapslicks7531]

I had an ultimate iron man wrongly banned through bot watch. Never did get the account back.

[@arianf3301]

bottin while watchin this

[@SharpSniper10]

same

[@User-je7gf]

Lol me too

[@tkracing5945]

LMAO !

[@PatRiot-]

No one wants to work for anything Getting what you want without earning any of it While others work *hard* for it It's the group who gets but doesn't ear That screws up the whole operation And nearly killed runescape altogether by pushing the creators to the free trade ban in order to save their company. you can only take other people's shit for so long until there's nothing left to take from ones who worked hard for it Or they get so fed up they bout shut down the entire operation trying to stop you. So keep botting You will be to blame when another game screwing update is added to stop lazy people from taking what isn't theirs. If you didn't earn it It isn't yours Leave it alone and stop destroying what others have worked very hard for.

[@mattsimone8461]

What bots and scripts would you guys suggest

[@rey1242]

I have a guess, and its not a blind guess, its backed by knowledge on how servers actually work, yeah, servers in general When you need to start a server for any kind of service, you view maximum efficiency with the less resources used So, my guess is that they dont look for mouse positions, just camera angle and zoom and position clicked Also, they 99% dont check it every time, i think they check it 1 time/day So if i bot today, the next day they will 'dry' the list of players who played the day before and perform checks on it, with human supervision They most likely are to check coordinates clicked, npcs talked to, camera angle and zoom, and lastly, time played (no mouse positions)

[@catpower1811]

Interesting! I'll admit the idea of being able to bot your way to max skills and all the best items GP can buy sounds intriguing, buuuut it would definitely take ALL the fun out of RuneScape. :P

[@ColonelloRS]

Yeah it would definitely be way more boring.

[@taylorbates4742]

Colonello Nothing is more boring than actually training skills like agility and mining.... I'd rather castrate myself with a rusty butter knife before getting 99 in either of those skills lol

[@HamguyBacon]

runescape isn't fun, it's tedious and monotonous.

[@PaperBagMan884]

Guys, I think this is just for educational purposes and he doesn't condone the use of bots or something, I don't know just a wild guess.

[@conman2317]

You either accept bots or you allow MTX (Pay-2-Win). No matter what you do, the very nature of the game increases demand for these behaviors and systems.

[@CRITicLawl]

I hear using a touchpad, Wacom pen, or similar hardware throws up a red flag for a false positive. I read about a Reddit story where an account was banned for activity similar to a bot by using a stylus and 800m or something substantial. This might be the case more often than not. Question: If I mistakenly report a player as a bot, will their account be more closely monitored for botting activity? i,e. Do reported accounts go under investigation or heavier scrutiny with Botwatch?

[@ayylmaotv]

this video may discourage botting at all

[@dreamair91]

I was falsely banned and lst 10 levels on all my skills as well as all my coins. I never knew exactly what bots were until I saw this video. I was just too efficient and went to the same places to skill every day. Appealing bans seemed like a big joke and I figured Jagex was just laughing at me. I quit playing RS for about 2 years in anger - but came back because of friends here.

[@HamguyBacon]

got back into rs spent 6 hours making potions manually i guess this was considered botting. goddamn annoying having to click the damn witch each and every time i wanted to make a potion, or buy a kebab it takes 3 clicks rs is bs.

[@Dragonpike]

My account got hacked and banned for botting, thankfully I appealed and got it lifted, I started checking OSRS (the version I don't play but the bot did) daily in paranoia that I'd get hacked again

[@toopkarcher]

I got banned after grinding 99fm for a month using bonfires. It was a real bummer to not be able to log one day... I guess I looked like a bot since I did nothing but fm at GE for a whole month!

[@mdawg252]

Reflection doesnt create a copy of the client, all it does is read the data that is in the client. quite simple to do. Injection is alot more fun and can make the client less of a powerhouse and not take up so much cpu/memory

[@oldsweatynerd4216]

They really need more P-Mods who are able to either temp ban or give higher priority reports on players.

[@nyapurrr]

Pmods absolutely do not need the ability to ban. Many abuse just their muting power.

[@ruskodudesko9679]

thank you writeing a research paper on botting in runescape so this is great! can I use as a source?

[@ColonelloRS]

Absolutely! Good luck with the paper!

[@Freddeboy28]

How aggressive are bot bans when it just comes to skilling? I find Agility and Pickpocket absolutely insufferable to level so im thinking to try it. But i really don't wanna get banned... is it safe as long as you only run it 2-3 hours a day? Or is it completely safe for the most part if you are just doing harmless skilling in general?

[@sayto_00]

Old comment, I'll refer you to a botting guide here for more details: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ravPdHlsZbWAgZY Start at the 9 minute mark

[@pumpuibuffet]

Pixel/color bots still work fine and won't get you banned as long as you write the macros yourself.

[@punkman115]

I got hacked and banned even after investing money into my account 6 years ago, even talked to support on twitter and the ost creator begging to simply look at my vpn data to prove it but they didnt care, shows how much they care about their customers.

[@codeluna3749]

Essentially, if you repeat repetitive movements for extended periods, thus shall predeemed as botting.

[@nGUNNARp]

i doubt that's true, considering that 99% of runescape gameplay is repeating the same thing over and over....which is also why bots are such an issue

[@codeluna3749]

Completely agree, tushae Mister Nick. Enjoy the holidays.

[@lukeanakin6575]

Tips for people who want to bot.. Make sure that the bot you're using has an anti-ban! Don't use one that doesn't have this feature, because your chances of getting banned is pretty high. A bot with an anti-ban feature will decrease the chance of getting banned tremendously. Also, don't bot through out the whole day. Make sure you bot for a couple of hours, and then play regularly to prevent the account from looking suspicious under Jagex's anti-bot system. The only reason why I would bot was because I just hated the fact that I had to make a new account and start from scratch after the release of Old School RS and EOC. I had several accounts that I did not bot Pre-EOC (Best era of RS). But yeah :/

[@YumekuiNeru]

antiban is such a dumb name. It is evidence the creators have no idea what they are doing.

[@swiftswamp]

Playing regularly on an account that you're botting is dumb, you can easily tell the difference in behavior.

[@thestreetlawyer1]

I dont buy your story, i took 10 yrs off and rs3 came out. my account was still there. Maybe you were botting before so they removed your account.

[@adamsdimension]

what is EOC?

[@therealrictuar]

guess as to how it works: runs fourier transform on click actions and looks for periodicity

[@therealrictuar]

also looks for inhuman hours of play