Hula Hula Drill | Weight Shift Progression

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Huge thanks to @Seabas22 and @Aceitdiscgolf ! I started teaching certain aspects of the throw in this “pendulum style” largely because of conversations I’ve had with them among other things.

[@kbarb3071]

I'd love to see some collabs with seabas22

[@jasonrlee]

Glad you did. I have found @Aceitdiscgolf 's pendulum style and gravity focused drills to be a great strategy at teaching me timing/weight shift/feel. I think this drill is a great next step of those concepts. Thanks!

[@CrustyClad]

By far the best explanation and step by step breakdown of the X step I have seen yet. I was able to gain smoothness, distance and accuracy immediately. Thanks so much from a 56 yr old returning player 👍😎.

[@tannerebanks6777]

Just want to give you my appreciation. I went from decent form and a max drive of 400 feet to being able to reach 450-475 consistently with much nicer form. This was the drill that sent me over the edge and caused everything to click. Appreciate it! Your videos are incredibly helpful.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Sick!

[@m.paulford7564]

You guys have really found the perfect combo of great teaching and great editing.

[@patejoni]

I keep swing swing swinging back to his video to check up tiny little details that comes in my mind. Thanks for this drill!

[@ryanswanson2178]

Probably the greatest teaching video on KZbin.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Wow. Thanks.

[@usernotfound1423]

That move at 7:30 is what I need to work outta my form the swing around instead of into my brace leg! I’m so glad you made this video I’ve been trying to figure out how to stop the swing around of my off leg and you just showed me how to fix that! And take me from 400ft-420ft ish to possibly a smoother 450 or more

[@nathanhall6685]

This might be your best drill yet. Excellent framework to feel how lag works. This might be the ahah moment for me! Thanks for all you do.

[@kruksog]

Been a sub since you had like, 1k subs, and all of a sudden you're THE channel for disc golf instruction. Congratulations guys, you rock. Also dig the Seabass22 shout out. That guy is a legend. Gave me a form check more than a couple times. Total bro, that guy.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Andrew is just a beast

[@MonkeyFreeZone]

You do a great job of breaking things down into component parts that build on one another. Thank you - people definitely absorb/implement at different rates.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thank you!

[@DougBartonLHS]

The person wandering in the back of your video is hilarious. Love it when they pick up your disc and chuck it.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

haha. He's another disc golfer that was doing field work

[@mstoochn]

This must be how Eric Oakley got his form :) this will definitely help people with timing & shift, thanks!

[@freshlancer]

Except Eric took some influence from ballet as well, not just hula.

[@discgolfwes]

You're fantastic at explaining things Josh!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks Wes

[@PraySpray83]

Nice drill, wish i found this earlier, time to go out to the field and look ridiculous once again :D

[@joeillingworth1141]

This is basically my old form, really loved the fluidity of it

[@tylerpohler3271]

It took me a little bit over 10 years to understand that hip turn was a result of pressure transfer rather than the cause, Mike Austin did a lot of people in the ball golf community a favor by breaking down a lot of mechanics in the early 80s. I think Seabass agrees with me that "wide rail" really just means the disc golfer keeps his inclination to the ground or what the ball golf community calls "tilt" Great video!

[@angusmorgan2950]

Can this be done on the balls of your feet instead of heels? I naturally pivot and follow through on the front of my feet, and this drill felt super foreign because of that. Still going to try it in the field, thanks for the video!

[@mikestrout]

I have concerns about the hula. If you look at your pelvis in relation to the ground around the 5:00 mark, your hula develops a bit of a swoop, where you go from a high left hip, low right hip to a low left hip, high right hip. I think the proper weight shift keeps the pelvic plane parallel to the ground through the weight shift. Thanks for creating this video though. I think most people underestimate the importance of a solid lower half. I think it is one of the reasons why Paul McBeth is so good. He always looks so balanced through his runup. Keep up the great work!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Hey Mike. That’s actually what I’m going for. Some guys are more level but guys that do this type of swing actually do exactly what you’re talking about. Check out the Drew slow mos!

[@mstoochn]

Josh willing to do a video focusing on the plant foot proper technique to mitigate risks? Personally find a lot of different advice about what goes on between the front hip, knee, and foot. From straightening the leg, to keep it bent but tense, to planting on the "outside of your foot" - sliding rather than "stomping" etc. I do feel it in my knee a bit after 2-3 rounds. I find if I mentally focus on rotating my foot I lose a ton of distance.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Willing! There are a couple different ways we see pros do it.

[@mstoochn]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Looking forward to it!

[@oysteinkobb]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf would also love a video on this!

[@jamesronezii983]

I am so freaking happy I found this video. I can't wait to try this

[@jeffwells641]

I like a drill I saw from a golf channel: You start in a neutral position, feet shoulder width apart, hip slightly bent, knees slightly bent. Then, you bend your right knee and straighten your left knee at the same time. This forces your hips a quarter turn to the left, just like your reachback (backswing for golf, obvs). Then, you straighten your right knee and bend your left - this forces your hips to do a half turn to the right - just like they would for a throw. After practicing this for a few times it's pretty easy to modify it to more fit the disc golf stance by staggering your feet. Then it's the exact hip motion your hips should be doing for a stand-still throw. You can practice it anywhere to help you get familiar with the weight shift, it's pretty great. This doesn't get you 100% there, but if you build your rotation around this hip turn you'll be money. I especially like this because it automatically builds in the brace - you MUST brace to get the hips to turn correctly, there's no extra rotation to deal with until you start building into a full throw. Pair this drill with focusing on keeping your center of gravity (and therefore your turn) between your legs and you'll be money.

[@briantraughber5821]

Can you link that drill, please?

[@jeffwells641]

@@briantraughber5821 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYm7Z2SCnrxjh8k That isn't the original one I watched, but it shows the back and forward weight shift really well, and describes the difference between the correct tight rotation and a wider body rotation that you don't want. I've found another drill that might be better than the one I described though: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2Hdp5aPj7WCpc0 This seems really similar to how the really big throwers like Lizotte or Gurthey use their hips in the throw, just with less of a release of the front foot, since you're not running up and building all that extra momentum in golf.

[@ciromassa7322]

I so glad to see that your not one of those stubborn KZbinrs who can't admit when they're wrong. Because one of your first videos you u were dead set on "SQUISH the BUG" hip technique. I even pointed you to seabass22 videos on weight shift. I just say this because there are guys out there that are leading people the.wrong way and they know it. And that's just wrong! Ex. Citysmasher2.

[@scrandyB]

What changes in your form to increase arm speed? For example, around 6:40 you're doing slow, steady movements, but when you actually throw the spike hyzer it looks like your arm is moving much faster. Are you just pushing harder off your back foot? Or is your arm moving the same speed and the throw creates and optical illusion. Or maybe something else? Thanks for all the great content!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Just a bit more acceleration if anything. But when I go to hit the finger pivot will add a bit of acceleration too.

[@JohnDubU]

Wow, I thought this would be far easier to execute... I'm working through it. This is good, I obviously have a severe deficiency to address. I really appreciate that this is a progression.

[@Buzzard24]

This is gold! Going to go do this TODAY.

[@freshlancer]

Our usernames are cousins. That's pretty cool.

[@ThomasMathisen]

Takk!

[@maxray29]

you've hula-danced around a question I've had for a bit now; should I be actively driving the heel of the plant foot into the ground during the swing? I've never really focused on it before, but noticed in footage of myself that I am actually doing it 'automatically'. mostly just wondering if I need to add one more thing to my pre-swing list of items that I should be thinking about and then ultimately get totally wrong.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I think you will go to the heel if you clear the hip. So probably don’t need to think about it

[@shibo2319]

its definitely not bad as it helps convert momentum into the disc and carry less of it forward, which would effectively waste power thad could go into the disc

[@TheTeamdom]

Thanks, this was golden. I tried it step be step now after having thrown for a year. I felt for the first time how weight shift should work. Was able to get a few long throws in too. ❤❤

[@Moving2Korea]

Can you explain why the trail leg wants to tuck behind prior to swinging around in an upcoming video? I like how you left the detail out. It may have been too much information and something unrelated to the key message(s) you were trying to relay. If I had to guess it is as a counter balance for the upper body and so that you get an efficient energy transfer from the lower to upper body. I assume it slows the lower body down and it starts to swing around after the upper body has accelerated because it cannot help but to be a part of the follow through.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yep. Counter balance and then swings around as follow through

[@leifjensen6965]

Thanks for this drill. Improved distance and accuracy. Is it possible to show/make a drill for gaining width in x-step for more power/distance? (When you plant foot on the last step)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

The easy way to gain more distance in your X step is to actually walk up faster. Naturally let’s you widen your steps

[@leifjensen6965]

That makes sense actually 🤦‍♂️ Been walking up slowly, and it throws me off balance planting the foot with wider stance. But also going faster throws me of balance, but that might be due to fast with short step. Thx again ! Appreciate it ❤

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@leifjensen6965 yep. It’s more important imo to just allow your step size to be dictated by speed instead of forcing an unnatural step size

[@hafe8492]

Thx once again coach. You bring me to the next level. Gruss aus Deutschland

[@MrTombledore]

I used to pull the disc with only my back and got to around 300 feet. Now I reworked my form but my upper body is still tense. I can reach 450 but my pull through still feels weak (ofcourse cause im pulling). After trying this drill my swing was double faster and I felt how my finger tips tingled from blood going to my fingers. After I get this tension off I bet I break 500. Maybe it happens with this drill. Thanks again Josh and Mikey! Dance the disc to oblivion!

[@Whiteowl116]

So I struggle with the cross step. Should I keep my weight on the heel during the cross step aswell? I feel like i walk backwards that way. I cannot keep momentum straight forward if I keep pressure on the heels the whole way through.

[@sarinhighwind]

This is a ball golf drill that seabass has went over quite a few different ways. I used this when I taught ball golf as well as batting for baseball.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Makes sense. Seabass 22 was a big reason I arrived at this progression

[@sarinhighwind]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf There is tons and tons more discussion to have on form and pushing it further. But the conversations don't happen. Everyone doing their own thing sadly.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@sarinhighwind I can assure you these conversations are happening. I’ve had 3 this week.

[@sarinhighwind]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I am talking about an overall broader discussion on disc golf fundamentals and teaching in general. It's not there, there is no "chat" for it. Or a group of people discussing it. I can message seabass anytime and get answers from him, but that doesn't include your input or many other peoples input who understand what is going on with form.

[@CentralOSurvival]

The video we have all been waiting for!

[@CentralOSurvival]

Nice crushes too!!

[@smileyboy2700]

Man, I wanna do form work already but it's not autumn/winter season yet so I'm playing disc golf rounds :/.

[@ThePeter172]

You are the greatest bud.

[@vincestahl3554]

Thank you!

[@pepemagason6451]

Solid as always. How far was that rip?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

No clue. Not that far but pretty low energy

[@luftisbollen]

yes but 90 meter for you is "not that far" as to others might be very far, 60 meter? guess please, my guess looks like over 100 meter, looks very good with this little effort

[@AskLind]

I struggle to Get into the power pocket cleanly. My arm is more closed than 90 degrees, what is that a sign of? Rounding?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Probably a sign that your elbow is too low/close to your body

[@jeffnarum1373]

Subscribed today. Just found you guys.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Welcome

[@Tornado_Alley]

So I’m basically stuck on the first step here. Whenever I go back and forth with the the feet, my weight goes straight to the toes instead of the heel. How do I make it feel more natural? I’m not getting that natural turn of the hips. I’ve struggled with weight shift ever since I’ve started playing. Thanks for the video!

[@Whiteowl116]

sounds like you need to work on your balance, try walking on your heals a bit first just to get a feel for balancing on the heel.

[@Tornado_Alley]

@@Whiteowl116thanks, I’ll give it a try!

[@Corrigan65_]

Pardon my French, but this drill fucking works. I am going through all of them again. This was the first. GET ON IT:)

[@TMRaven]

No bugs were harmed in this video!

[@blo114]

Genius and outside the box

[@freshlancer]

I have a question about step 3. If my disc is bottom stamped, do i have to flip it backwards? 🤣🤣

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

If it is bottom stamped you will have to mail it to us. It is a defective product and jeopardizes your safety. We will then dispose of it properly.

[@freshlancer]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf basically if you use a bottom stamped disc, it causes your hips to lie

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@freshlancer and we know from the great philosopher Shakira that the hips don’t lie. So that isn’t an option

[@SirFlanery]

7:28 wait, who’s that dude taking your disc? 😂

[@Corrigan65_]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, Lag and Snap video and the Hula Hula drill belong in the same folder. Strong Connecting tissue for.... disc golf muscle/brain training. BTW: Smart people annoy me. Except for Josh Mikey and DAKOTA!!!!

[@burtantone657]

As a dance instructor, this make sense and I'll be incorporating this into my game.. thanks guys 🙏

[@stephenpenney5513]

All the single ladies, all the single ladies.

[@matthewwilson-leigh5098]

This is what peak performance looks like.

[@joeillingworth1141]

That last drive looked crunched

[@samibberg105]

Schwing, baby! -Austin Powers

[@Vanbulance89]

Good stuff!

[@patrickruszkowski9182]

Pop it likes it hot! Clear the hip and pop it back - lots of power just there.

[@michaeltaylor2280]

You look funnier doing this one than the Twirly Bird and Slappy Bird combined.. still more normal than the Twilted Eagle ; ) In all seriousness, great video! Chubbs from Happy Gilmore would give you 2 thumbs up. If he could.. #itsallinthehips

[@atxdiscgolf7389]

This is the reciprocating dingle arm

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

So I’ve heard!

[@thomasfraser9072]

DiscGolf? Cool. But what about an actual golf swing? Absolutely? You might be interested to know that a more subtle Hula Hula Move of Golf was first conceived somewhere within the original pages of the Homer Kelly book The Golfing Machine in 1969 To my knowledge it may have been mention once on You Tub. But at age 75 I do my wiggle waggle Hula Hula pre shot routine using my alternating knees and hips and am loving it. So having watch your video I think you might be ready to play regular golf as well. Cheers 😃⛳️👍

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’m ready to give golf another go. Last time didn’t go so well lol

[@thomasfraser9072]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf you have been throwing a disc for sometime now. If you answer answer this one question correctly you are ready for golf. What specific part of your body starts starts a golf swing? Hint it is not your hands and wrists. Cheers

[@thomasfraser9072]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf personally I think you should start your own golf channel and tell the public what you think you are doing right or wrong in your golf swing. Ask the public advice on what they think you are doing right or wrong and then make another video. Have fun with it! Based on the person advice. If it helped you: give that person a thumps up; if not tell him/her thumbs down. You could call your new Channel: My Transition from Disc Golf to the Links. Can anyone help me? Cheers

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@thomasfraser9072 haha. If we did another channel it would be entertaining disc golf stuff. If we did one of another sport it would probably be pickle ball

[@thomasfraser9072]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf well you already got the latter one in the bag. That’s for sure. Your Hula Hula is 5 out of 5 stars funny.

[@MacStandy]

I felt crazy out of shape doing this drill. I was totally exhausted after 10-15 weighshifts... But then I'm quite on the larger side weight wise at about 280lbs or 130kg. I struggle to get further than maybe 150-170feet or around 50m, and I think the biggest thing holding me back is a lack of form, and my hoping is that your drills can help me get in the right mind and form to throw better.

[@SZbooyaka]

My middle schooler told me that is not a hula , “it’s a floss mixed with a dab.” Which has slowly morphed into “the floss and toss.”

[@garykennedy5322]

Bro that’s not hula. That’s snufalufucis from Sesame Street 😂

[@derekhaas883]

Lol so this is pretty much the seabass reciprocating dingle arm drill

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Haven’t watched it, but probably. Have had a bunch of convos with him lately that definitely moved me this direction

[@joeblow2426]

Right. Seabass has always been on the right track in how and what you should feel when you throw. He has been kind of the leader in teaching this way as far as I know. But Seabass and the others who reference him don’t convey well the clear purpose of what he is showing, because he is too vague in how what he is teaching fits in the context of the overall throw. It all seems so fragmented to the viewer because Seabass is not consciously thinking about what the watcher needs to know. However, being clear about what needs to be done and why is what Josh does so well in a manner that is vivid for those that want to learn. In other words, he makes it meaningful for the viewer. He is an excellent teacher.

[@ciromassa7322]

@@joeblow2426 I feel the same way about seabass22, he is the GOAT OF DISCGOLF INSTRUCTION, BUT LIKE u said it's all fragmented and very hard to put together. Aceitdiscgolf is putting it all together, check him out.

[@sarinhighwind]

lawl, squatch bag. They just give those to everyone.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I mean… Not everyone

[@sarinhighwind]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf #poundbagsforlife

[@ryansuter4424]

👍

[@MVPanda50]

no offense but the beginning drill made me think of one of beyonce's music videos lmao

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That’s the nicest thing anyones ever said to me

[@techtonic6892]

All the single ladies!! Lol

[@MVPanda50]

@@techtonic6892 If you like them put a ring on it

[@Claudirivas731]

Gosh it barely looks like you’re trying to throw and it goes so far.

[@JoshJackson13]

I'm going to try this. I throw 360 Back and forehand but I Ive only been playing for a year and a half and I feel like my timing has never been on or something I really need to record myself. Im very good at adapting by feel and just can't quite figure this out. But I did get 2nd in my first tournament GVDG spring Fling Greenville NC. See my scores

[@JoshJackson13]

The guy that beat me was sand bagging. Everybody knew him and wanted me to beat him but I didn't know until after. I wish I did because I would have tried harder 2nd round. I was winning by 7 after 1st round and I didn't wanna be "that guy" I just wanted to play to see if I'm good or not I've only played like 3 rounds by myself and never at that course