How Edwards Judged Manifestations

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[@quocyo]

Hey guys here is a scripture reference you were looking for where the Holy Spirit interrupted someone speaking. “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered,” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44-46‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@Steadfast_Steady_Strong]

34:00 THANK YOU for addressing the accusation that one is “imparting” a demon when in fact often what is happening is deliverance of a demon. So many misunderstand this.

[@dorothyhinz3543]

The Bible states that there are rules for speaking in tongues and for prophecy within the church service. What you see in so many of these mega churches is disruptive, frightening, and makes my skin crawl. Too much of what we see is emotionalism, putting on a show, and I actually feel that some people are manifesting demons. The problem is that we see so much weird stuff that we are no longer sensitive to the Holy Spirit. I love singing together in the Spirit during a service, but not to the point where it gets freaky and ugly. We need to use self-control.

[@timvickers947]

Would it be legal for you? To let. Christians pray at church. Or would praying out loud be? A loss of your salvation. Because when a bunch of people are praying. In a language that they know. In a prayer. Time. Then you can pray in tongues in the prayer language. There's a difference, you know. No, I don't think you do know, or you wouldn't be confused.

[@MariahSanders22]

In the Bible signs and wonders and miracles always followed the preaching of the Gospel, so we should always look at what they are preaching and the fruit of their lives and ministry.

[@bluegiraffekid]

🎯🎯🎯

[@Maranatha7557]

Good discussion. I have been turned off by all the false prophets, but I still believe it in the gifts of the Spirit. There is so much confusion in the Charismatic camp, which is why cessationists are now mocking us. They are right in some things they have said, but wrong in others. The mocking tone is hard, and I don’t think I can bear to watch them much anymore. I just want the truth.

[@jackcoultas7869]

Acts 10 is an example of the Spirit falling and interrupting the preaching of Peter to the household of Cornelius, by coming on the new believers and imparting to them a gift of tongues. That’s challenged me to not be wooden with the exhortation to do all things “decently & in order.”

[@salasanthonysamuel]

Remnant radio great work... along with being slow to speak, slow to anger and quick to listen we, the body, can not be hesitant to admonish each other in that same Love... Amen

[@MariahSanders22]

Another thing too, some people will actually manifest demons IN the presence of God. Powerful worship or preaching can make them manifest or the laying on of hands. What some people would call Kundalini could actually be deliverance of a demon taking place.

[@dorothytolliver7169]

Thank you. I have been concerned about this issue for a little while and hearing you speak helps me to understand a little more.

[@MariahSanders22]

We also have to understand that the devil can only counterfeit what he sees God doing. Just like there are demonic tongues, there are also real Biblical tongues. There is reiki healing and there is true healing from God. There is Kundalini and there is true manifestations of the Holy Spirit.

[@mishaanton5436]

Well, well ... the sticky wicket. Great discussion. Excellent points. Going to listen again !

[@ifehansson2254]

We are not called to follow signs and wonders but to follow Christ and the Word of God. We are not to be led, or swayed, by signs, wonders, and supernatural manifestations as we are warned that Satan can feign the same. Our first port of call should be God's word and not experiences this way we can be protected from so much deception that is out there within the church.

[@chuckthompson5724]

I am an Elder in a Christian Church (Stone-Campbell Movement) many in my fellowship argue for cessation . I do not agree because I can find no where in sculpture that says the gifts will end before the "Coming of the perfect" 1 Corinthians 13. Our movement grew out of the most famous Camp meeting in American history The Cane Ridge Revival, to this day we still see unexplainable movements of the Spirit, just ask any missionary who has worked in the middle east or the global south.

[@Couragedearheart445]

So appreciate this channel! Thank you for your Kingdom work! ❤️

[@mattbarrett9200]

Great show, guys. By the way, Josh, I enjoyed your comment with accompanying facial expressions at 5:50. 🤷‍♂️☕️😳

[@ronlagerquist9163]

Man I love you guys. I mean I really love you guys and love the love you three so clearly have for Jesus and each other.

[@bluegiraffekid]

I think its cool too that discerning of spirits is a spiritual gift, meaning we need the spirit to do it. That being said, it makes sense that its not immediately obvious all the time

[@megamatt1915]

such an amazing and important episode here, God bless you guys

[@annaboshier6680]

I would say he’s more focused on Content for his channel than being faithful - CR I mean

[@judecmcsgamingsurvivalchan9531]

This is so apt, so I'm just starting my journey into this charismatic reality, and trying/wanting to be open to the gifts. You hit the nail on the head, I'm struggling to believe because it seems so weird and foreign to me. I especially am bristling at what seems to be like this special lingo that alot use, and the casting out of demons/them naming all the demons (where do they get this from, not the bible). I want to encounter The Holy Spirit in a real and tangible way desperately, and am envious of some believers perceived relationship with Him. But I'm not sure it's even real...this relationship/the life they are experiencing. So I can't deny the fruit they are displaying, (changed lives, freedom from sin, then going out preaching Christ and the Gospel, praising/thanking Christ). I've become a part of this ministry, began supporting it, and I'm supposed to be having a a session today for them to see if they can cast out any demons from me/I can feel the Spirit. I've been crying out for this for so long, but I'm so stuck in my head. I'm trying to be open, but am so cautious I'm afraid I'm quenching the Spirit. Please pray for me, and any input is welcome, but you did hit on most of it. Still confused, and struggling though.... I think I just need to keep pressing into this....

[@MariahSanders22]

I think we should always look at the fruit of the manifestations. Does it give people more of a love and hunger for Jesus and His word and holiness? Or does it lead people to sin? Does it draw attention to a person or Jesus and His power and presence?

[@daleburreson7607]

A friend who was close to the "Toronto Blessing" told me the people barking like dogs with women holding them on a leash turned out to be witches. We are told to test every spirit and cast down every imagination that exalts itself against the word of God. Of course you must know, understand what the word says to do so. Jesus said, "If you continue in my word you will know the truth and the truth will set you free." That is a promise. Meditate in the word and be a doer of the word, so you can glorify Jesus, so you can glorify the Father, so you can make a difference in this world, letting your light shine, As he is so are we in this world.

[@Lillaloppan]

Thank you so much👍😊🙏.

[@CG2589]

I'm 100% with Joshua on discernment ministries. It gets me really angry and I can't watch those guys use the Bible to destroy the Body of Christ. I can't grasp how people can claim to understand scripture more than others while behaving the opposite of the way scripture teaches. The discernment types that Josh described may not be "wolves" by Biblical definition but they're some other kind of animal out to devour the sheep.

[@ikeknows5253]

Day two of requesting a Creationist discussion interview and promising to join Gold Tier on Patreon if you all do

[@MariahSanders22]

I think discernment is so important but I also think the closer you get to the REAL thing, the more you can discern when it’s Him and when it’s not. When you’ve been with the real you know a counterfeit when you see it

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Discernment is not about telling right from wrong -- it's about telling 'right' from 'almost right.'

[@MariahSanders22]

I’ve seen people encountered God after being delivered from demons and the power of God fell on them and they laughed uncontrollably and felt the joy of the Lord. It changed their life

[@ifehansson2254]

Laughing uncontrollably is not a manifestation of the Holy Spirit I suspect because one of the characters of the Holy Spirit is self control i.e the ability to control ones own actions, thoughts and words obviously a feature lacking in so called 'holy laughter', shaking, trembling, yelling & other manifestations.

[@MariahSanders22]

@@ifehansson2254 did you know the fruit of the Holy Spirit is also joy? .... Just because you personally have not experienced this or it is different than what you’re used to doesn’t mean you assume things are demonic or not of the Lord. That will unfortunately keep you putting God and His incomprehensible power in your own religious box.

[@MariahSanders22]

@@ifehansson2254 I also don’t know what demon would give someone joy after just being set free from a demon...

[@chriswall580]

@@ifehansson2254 What about when the Spirit would hit old testament priest and they'ed fall out because of the manifested glory of God?

[@laurasanders5015]

@@ifehansson2254 yet, in most every revival movement we see these same phenomena happening again and again. It’s like a tree when the wind blows through it...the tree’s leaves tremble and are tossed around by the power of the wind. So when God’s power touches weak human flesh, there will be some kind of response! I hope you get to experience the power of God in overwhelming ways for yourself. Then, just maybe you’ll rethink some of your theories (smile). I say this as someone who used to be very critical of the same sorts of things but can be no longer because I have experienced many of them. May God bless you!

[@markshaneh]

It’s like we’re doing a whole circle and have come back to the beginning of that circle. I was involved in the whole “Toronto” “Pensacola” “ revival”, it’s a bit like , don’t let a good story get in the way of the truth. Here in Australia I saw extremes that I now look back at and am embarrassed and mostly ashamed of. We had some of America’s best and divinely chosen to come and treat us like spiritual groupies and bled us dry for as much as we had to offer, for the most part we genuinely loved and wanted more of God and what He had to offer, ripe for the picking . We talk about the fruit, well after 40 years how should fruit look, taste and present ? I’m learning that the reason we see so little “REAL” signs and wonders is because of the amount of false testimony in past events and current seasons. I know this makes me seem critical and unpopular but I got gloriously born again and experienced a real tangible fruit bearing transformation, NO exaggeration or false testimonies needed, people saw how messed up and blinded I was and then saw I could see for the fist time, praise God. I want real, I mean for real God doing God stuff, not man made waves of seat filling chasing empty cloud stuff. ✌️

[@lilmisspeace]

I agree

[@justmorenoise]

I agree brother, you are not alone and you might sound critical to some but I know that care and concern comes from love. You just love the “real deal” and are protective of it. I think that’s okay to express. You share well. From Sydney Australia 🇦🇺

[@MariahSanders22]

This was so good y’all 🙌🏻

[@ayushlal6971]

Very important discussion it's much needed

[@timothyross8985]

Sarah Edwards experiences and her history is awesome concerning the works of the Holy Spirit, had estatic joy , tears, angelic visitations , the supernatural and her exaltation to Jesus Christ. I don't believe honestly any American Reformed leaner in my circles is really being honest with history of our circles who believe in any form of Calvinism . Speaking from experiences. On face book our Reformed Charismatic group has 900 or so people in it. And we all have been talking about this for years how the Reformers were very open to the manifestations of the Supernatural of God . I use to the Edwards advise and so on. I am personally with Edwards on these issues. The best book on the Toronto movement was written by Ken Fish his wife endorsed by J I Packer the River is Here. The true Baptism of the Holy Ghost within the Awakenings and Holiness movements has always had joy unspeakable and full of glory type things. It is the doctrine and fruit of the people and such. I love Edwards on these things. It is very balanced. Edwards would be in the modern Continuist circles in my opinion based on his experiences not broader Charismatic. Amen experiences should should point to the person of Jesus the Son in the awe and wonder. Great book to promote Strangers to Fire.

[@juliemcguffey417]

Loved this episode! Very helpful discussion, thank you! I think I am going to go read Jonathan Edwards.

[@timvickers947]

I am a recovered drug addict and alcoholic. I've been clean and sober. For. 44 years. When I was drunk. I had no. I Inhibition. I said. And did. A lot of things. Under the influence. That I never would have done. If I had not been drinking. I was reacting. 2. The way. The alcohol made me feel. Slurring my words. Falling down. Puking. But there were other things. That affected my actions. Because I was drunk. For instance. My temper. Would just instantly. Flare up. And I could hit somebody. Or cuss them out. Because I had no inhibitions. I would flirt with women. That I would be so shy to even talk to. If I was sober. I would act out. Tell stupid jokes. Make fun of people. Why? Because I was under the influence of alcohol. In other words, I would do some strange things, and I knew I was doing strange things, but when I'm under the influence it doesn't seem strange. How is that any different? Than being under the influence. The Holy Spirit. So much so. That's you're drunk. I have been. Drunk in the spirit. And believe me. The way it makes you feel and act. It's kind of like the way you feel when you've been drinking too much or smoking too much pot. Under the influence of the Holy Ghost, I did a lot of fleshly stupid things. But your flesh is going to react. To the spirit. If the spirit is strong enough on you. You will react. Now, even in my most drunken states. If I wasn't passed out. If something interrupted my action. Then I could quit doing that action. Same way with underneath the whole, the spirit of God. If somebody would say to me. Sir. I think you dancing. While people are praying, it's inappropriate. I would stop. I've never done that. That's an extreme example of what I'm trying to say. So how would should we judge people underneath the influence of the Holy Ghost? What is the word of God say? Jonathan Edwards should know this. These guys should know this. To me it's not complicated. In fact, you don't have to Greek or Hebrew it. It's written right there in black and white. We don't let these things go. And put a stop to it. If we don't know if it's of God or not. Also. If you don't know if it's God or not. How do you know you should? Let it continue in the service. There is an answer. Take me too long to say it. The answer is simple. Where did God says? The Holy Ghost leads in all truth. We should be mature enough in the spirit. To be able to to discern. Watch that the flash. Watch of God. And watching the devil. I don't know, maybe they'll explain this later on. But so far in this video. I haven't heard them say. It. Another point. In the last. Six months or so. The. Christians I hang around with. Which are? Very. Very deep. Understanding of the word of God. They say and do things. When it comes to understanding the word of God. They say and do things that are totally ridiculous. They should be more spiritually mature than they are. Just like Jonathan Edwards and these guys talking about this. I don't understand why people don't understand this. If it's spiritual, you're not gonna understand it with your carnal, natural, third dimensional. Legalistic. Logical mind. If it's spirit, you have to discern it spiritually to see where that spirit is coming from. How's that hard? I don't get it, and believe me, I've been frustrated for a long time about this.

[@annaboshier6680]

Chris Rosebrough absolutely needs to watch this.

[@annaboshier6680]

This was hugely helpful thanks team!

[@katharinaelkins2984]

I'm really looking forward to your podcast study on "Kingdom of the Cults" I've been meaning to order that book for myself for some time. With that in mind, as well as this subject of Manifestations, I've been haunted by a testimony/manifestation that i had over 33 years ago while in a church in KY. I'm still trying to make sense of it. . .

[@katharinaelkins2984]

. . . I was raised in a church that was a combination of Metaphysics, Gnosticism and the "New Thought" tradition of the 19th century. And in my teens, I identified with the new occult teachings as my mom did. But in my twenties, I began to seek and follow Christ Jesus as my personal Savior as opposed to the impersonal God of forces and abstract "infinate idea". I joined a Sabbatarian church that believed in the Latter rain as described in Joel 2:28-32; and I repented of the belief that man - humankind- is inherently immortal and spiritual. ("You will not surely die" Gen3:4). But in my personal life, I was still very much influenced by a deeply entrenched kind of hero worship. And I looked to and admired people I thought to model myself after.

[@katharinaelkins2984]

I came from a family of 4 girls and 1 boy. I was the slow one, the laggard. Next to my siblings and peers, I seemed very incompetent and I seemed doomed to failure; and then when I was in my late forties and fifties, I moved in with my elderly father because I had nowhere else to go. But at 31 (17 years earlier) I was married and living in Kentucky when I felt inspired to make a plea before my church to pray for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit as described in Joel 2. But I also believed at that time, that Elijah would be a literal person like Elijah of the OT and John the Baptist of the Gospels. This wa contrary to the doctrine of the the latter rain as taught by my church; the Elijah of the latter days would be the Spirit as in the former rain of the Pentecost of the 1st century. I told the Congregation that there was an individual that was not currently in "our" church denomination (my church had a position of exclusiveness about being THE end time church) and I went on to assert that the 'Elijah' person was being ardently recruited by Satan and needed our prayers for them to realign themselves to the LORD'S side. Soon after that my husband and I moved to upstate NY where my daughter was born . . .

[@katharinaelkins2984]

It was after we moved that I became acquainted with a cult that followed an individual that claimed to be the latter days Elijah. He led them during the 1950s; but they disbanded when the 'Elijah' they thought to be the forerunner of the LORD'S 2nd coming - died. But many of those followers reunited to follow a series of Messiah figurs with catastrophic results. I realised thru this experience how easy it is to be deceived and deluded. My main point, my concern is a prayer for discernment and understanding of God's will for individuals and members of the body of Christ as we build each other up in the New Jerusalem, the bride of Christ. A year and a half after I gave that testimony, I was pregnant with my daughter (who is now 31 years old and an avowed atheist). And I went to bed one night with an upset stomach, feeling the churning and turning of the life inside of me. I heard the Spirit give a name for this turning-inside-out that was happening within me. The Spirit said it was "The Flower of Jacob" "He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; . . ." - Malachi 4:6

[@dorothyhinz3543]

If the manifestations are not recorded in the Bible, I don't think that we should be openly accepting of them. Barking like dogs, howling like wolves, screaming like you are in terror or pain, having glitter and feathers flying through the ventilation system, and shaking like you are demon possessed is not Godly. One of the Fruit of the Spirit is self-control.

[@stephenwooten6413]

Good discussion, enjoyed the graciousness. It was sad to see some of the live chats, pray for Floyd Visser. Poor fellow, I hope when he stands before Christ he has something to show for his life in Christ for the kingdom sake. If anyone has read the bible they have read about some very strange happenings that God has something to do with and he thought it worthy to share with us. I mean when king Saul was anointed king, the Spirit came upon him and he became a new man in response to God's Spirit with prophecy, dancing and naked, that's strange right there. We need to walk and talk with love and truth in all things.

[@MariahSanders22]

Discernment isn’t always just seeing what the Devil is doing it’s also asking the Holy Spirit what He is doing

[@tyo9384]

I don't know if this is the right podcast on which to ask but Miller just mentioned encountering the holy spirit, wailing and crying. I grew up Presbyterian and had gone to a Mennonite church for about 5 yrs when my kids were little and then went to a church that is part of IHOP. I really liked this last church but I held back alot and I can't figure out why. Anyway, after church I had one of the elders his wife pray for me and also my friend and I think the pastor and his wife came over too but it was an amazing moment. I can hardly describe it but I was bawling and felt like I was floating and I think they ended up sitting me down on a chair. I know I was bathed in the holy spirit. ..I have never had that and never told anyone else even though I wanted to shout it out and I haven't been back to church. ..that was in 2019. I don't know why I haven't gone back or why I am holding back when I did go to church. I am feeling stuck.

[@57andstillkicking]

It doesn’t matter why. Jesus lives in you. Take of His courage and go back to church!

[@blue62show]

If more than truth you want an experience or to re-experience an event or feeling or gift or etc.... The church should be taught to judge themselves and so on.

[@johananmarcus7932]

Well done!

[@enocheubank4424]

You guys should interview Chris Lasala.

[@capturehishonor9292]

Characterizing the Toronto Blessing as having a few manifestations amidst a genuine move of God (my paraphrase) does not nearly describe what has happened there. That would be a better characterization of the Brownville Revival. Toronto was a mockery of Christ's own Body. Excessive manifestations were discouraged in his day. Today, in many charismatic cycles, they are the focus. If they were the focus in New Testament/ECF's times, we would not only have heard about it, but there would be an emphasis upon it. Just because Bill Johnson's recent distancing from grave soaking does not cover his late wife's habitation among the departed. I suspect a lot of these unbiblical practices continue under shade of darkness.

[@brettdobbs2041]

Kenneth Copeland. Is he a brother in Christ? Is what we see from him true manifestations of the Holy Spirit, faking in his flesh, or is it demonic?

[@annabecker6946]

What video is this a follow up to that they’re talking about in the beginning?

[@brittonydugan7196]

What days are the conference y’all spoke about? The church website says Sunday and Wednesday but josh said mon, tues, wed. I’m in Austin and thinking about going.

[@caroleimani9754]

Not to change the subject, but I was wondering what a "Kundalini Spirit" is. I tried to Google it, but they didn't explain it very well.

[@nathanpriddis412]

Kundalini is a term borrowed from Eastern religions. It's a Western translation of Eastern thought. In the East there are actual formal doctrines of spirits possessing and occupying people, even to the point of what anatomical processes are involved. These doctrines do not make Eastern practioners into experts. But, it does mean spiritual phenomenon are observed and acknowledged as real. Spiritual practices do produce physical phenomenon. Lacking a label to discribe phenomena occuring in Wedtern Churches, some people then borrow the name Kundalini. There is no spirit named Kundalini from the East. . There is however an entire world of spirits completely unrelated to whether a person is Asian or Caucasian. Phenomena affecting the nervous system is not a matter of geography or race. There is no human activity outside of religion, drugs or alcohol, where people desire to have their nervous system impaired.

[@naomiyurkov6648]

I would encourage you to check out Steven Bancarz’s KZbin channel, he talks about these things in detail from the point of view of a Christian ex-new ager!

[@michaelbateman2009]

Around the 24 minute make Josh makes the point that the woman wailing was potentially driving away unbelievers. I feel like that concern would then say the gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues must not happen as Paul warns that it would confuse non believers. In a church service I fee we need to stop Looking at the unbeliever and catering to that and make the point of the church service to be what Michael said, encountering God.

[@TimelessWisdomDrAnita]

I think it is a valuable use of time to investigate and study the spiritual practices of other religions, particularly pagan based ones (like Hinduism). When you see some of what goes on in their practices, and you see how similar they can look to what we label "spirit-filled," it can get disturbing. Ultimately, God wants us to turn to HIM and not other gods/spiritual influence. But because most westerners don't realize how much healing, falling out, and uncontrollable laughter happens in other religions as they access other spirits, it makes it far more difficult to discern.

[@MariahSanders22]

I agree. But the enemy counterfeits too. The devil tries to imitate the power of God but it’s a counterfeit power and it actually sometimes looks like very similar manifestations to when God’s power overwhelms someone. I think we should look at the fruit in these instances and not just judge the manifestations just because it’s different than we’re maybe used to or haven’t experienced personally.

[@justmorenoise]

The human probably reacts to spiritual encounters similarly. Our physical bodies I mean...

[@revealedministries3840]

What about the scripture that if one person is speaking and the Spirit moves on another person the first should stop and the second one should stand and speak?

[@PepeLeFunk]

The Spirit of the Prophet is subject to the prophet is not applicable to those who are receiving ministry, to those who are encountering God. The closest analogy would actually be for the preacher to know when to stop or pause.

[@IndianaJoe0321]

... which is not biblical. Are you suggesting multiple pastors are always together trying to preach to the congregation? How do you understand 1 Cor 14:29-32, 37, 39?

[@samf8887]

Jesus: i will send you a comforter Holy spirit: well you guys got weird fast.

[@dennissal3071]

Got to catch the last 10min, will watch complete episode. I was wondering something though. At 52:33ish Josh said , I don’t think Bill Johnson and Todd White are faithful teachers you should follow. What do you mean by this? Are you saying that their 100% not good teachers to be under or listen? Please elaborate?

[@stueve]

Mike Winger has a KZbin video which discusses the issues with Bethel and Bill Johnson's teaching.

[@andrewpatrick2563]

Gandalf technically didn’t use witchcraft because he wasn’t human he more akin to an angel

[@circuitrider8700]

Guys, what do you hope to accomplish by dedicating an episode to refuting Chris Rosebrough? As believers we should approach disagreements in love and grace, following Matthew 18:15-17 when necessary. I hardly agree with Chris' (and Justin Peters', and Steven Kozar's) portrayal of charismatic believers, like me, but getting into a flame war with someone who claims to be a brother in Christ is not the right answer. Look to the example of Jesus Christ when His accusers beat Him, mocked Him, and nailed Him to a cross. God will fight our battles for us.

[@yeishaadhosein6510]

He died young…becauseofavaccine. 😂

[@caroleimani9754]

We are supposed to seek the Giver (God) rather than His "gifts."

[@IndianaJoe0321]

What does the Bible say? "But honestly desire the best gifts." ~ 1 Cor 12:31 a "... desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy." ~ 1 Cor 14:1b "I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied;" ~ 1 Cor 14:5a "Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues." ~ 1 Cor 14:39

[@mr.bowdensartclass7583]

Can y’all do an episode on Johnathan Edwards and his views on slavery ?

[@mr.bowdensartclass7583]

@Ryan Buikema Johnathan Edwards had slaves though and said it was a necessary evil.

[@mr.bowdensartclass7583]

@Ryan Buikema I mean being a slave is already mistreatment but I see what you are saying. My issue is that in the previous episode they said if a teacher preaches that fornication is ok (even if they preach the other gospel essentials) that is heretical. But why isn’t being a slave owner put in the heretical category?

[@mr.bowdensartclass7583]

@Ryan Buikema the type of slavery in the NT is different than the slave trade of the 16th century. And the Bible actually condemns “man stealing” in Exodus which is what happened in American slavery.

[@mr.bowdensartclass7583]

@Ryan Buikema I also have 1 Timothy 1:8-10 lol but yeah I’m not saying Edwards mistreated the slaves But dehumanizing a human because of their race is mistreatment by itself. My question is where’s the line Btwn a cultural blindspot vs heretical teaching?

[@mr.bowdensartclass7583]

@Ryan Buikema thank you for your explanation I really appreciate it. I think our disconnect is the use of “slave of Christ” by Paul. Once again the slavery in Paul’s day is different in motivation and in context than the slave trade of the 16th century. Even if the slave was born in your house their parents were part of a trade. And once again American slavery was based on skin color and the concept that people of color were less than human. This isn’t the same motivation during the slavery of Paul’s day. When Paul says slave, bondservant, or servant he’s applying the word metaphorically to someone absolutely devoted to Jesus. It’s like when someone calls their friend a “Ride or Die” or a “Day one”.

[@rsm1161]

Missing the primary measuring tool of "manifestations" - The Scriptures and only the Scriptures. Being drunk in the spirit is not in the Scriptures. Babbling is not in the scriptures. Shaking on the floor is not in the scriptures. The gifts of the spirit were and are used to confirm the message declared/spoken. The Bible doesn't say they have ceased, God can do whatever He wants. Subsequently, the Bible does confirm its self through the word being recorded for everyone to read, therefore, the miraculous gifts are not needed in the church.

[@chuckthompson5724]

58.04 yes

[@Andymacseo]

I really like Michaels poured concrete walls. Much stronger than block. 😁

[@777theright88]

Why dont you guys interview catholics?

[@sandromnator]

They interview christians

[@keithherrera1038]

Why does your logo look like the upside star goats head?