How good are Nottingham Forest actually?

[@TheAthleticFC]

Where will Nottingham Forest finish this season? Correct guesses will get a signed Nick Miller photo (should he agree to it. Admin hasn't asked) 👇

[@Withoutbesi]

@@TheAthleticFC 5th

[@avikarsewpersad9856]

4th

[@ugiagbe123]

7th

[@Tomlamb1606]

2nd

[@albertodaniel2776]

4th

[@yhgtbfk]

Thank you. Enjoyed that thoroughly. The whole Ryan Yates bit had me in stitches. So good to see him properly acknowledged for the exact reasons why we love him.

[@GB-gi9by]

They should have shown the stat of games won with him/without him in the team. It’s no Yates no party for a reason.

[@ethanwalshe766]

1:03 the cut to the wide shot when JJ says “the big picture” was masterful

[@TheAthleticFC]

That's just editor Don doing editor Don things 🤝

[@onizuka255]

​@@TheAthleticFC big shout out to THE Don. ❤

[@leeharley5366]

Thanks for pointing that out. I missed it initially and it really made me chuckle when I went back 😅

[@kmart625]

@@TheAthleticFCthank you Don that was wonderful!

[@5manjaysan]

@@TheAthleticFC quick someone tag adam hurrey

[@Batman_Courage]

Yates being mentioned shows elite ball knowledge. Just subscribed

[@scifimonkey3]

41 points from 21 games says it all. Just shows that the post Pep obsession with possession is not the be all and end all of football.

[@domhuckle]

You don't win games by passing the ball around the back "Post Pep obsession with possession" is a great phrase

[@garyanderton]

@@domhuckleAs Mourinho said, "He can take the ball, I take the 3 points".

[@sakarisalomaa2174]

Nah this video says a lot, points very little.

[@tobeymollan1289]

@@domhuckle well principles don't win you games anyway, and I can say' long balls don't win you games'. quite ironic how pep has won almost everything at city by passing the ball around the back' as well.

[@SomethingSomewhereJustOnce]

​@garyandertonLOL, he also usually takes the 3 points along with the possession. It's just one slightly bad season he's having. 😂

[@s17evenb]

Forest fans knew something special was just around the corner. In a poll taken at the beginning of the season. Fans of each club were asked how optimistic they felt about their teams prospects for the coming season. Forest topped that table. Us forest fans have known that a change was coming, all the signs were clear to see to those who truly watched. We didn't expect a champions league charge, granted. But we knew that the media was going to be getting a shock. Enjoyed the video, especially the end when most of you continued to doubt us. Like Cloughie said, "I hope anybody's not stupid enough to write us off".

[@AG-mf1rv]

Those who watched closely?? Forrest have spent over $360m in since 2022. An incredible rise from championship football, but everyone knows how it happened.. no miracle here, money talks

[@s17evenb]

@@AG-mf1rv I said nothing about a miracle. I said it was clear to see what was coming. If you think success is guaranteed by simply spending money. Then I guess you see United at the top of the table? Spending money guarantees nothing. It improves your chances, but guarantees nothing at all.

[@s17evenb]

@@AG-mf1rv I said nothing about a miracle... I said the signs were clear to those who had paid enough attention. Almost the opposite of a miracle really. You insinuate that success is directly linked to spending. I guess you see United on top when you look at the league then? Spending doesn't guarantee anything. It has ruined many more clubs than it has made. But spending well certainly improves chances of success, but the emphasis is on spending it WELl.

[@dbz9393]

@@AG-mf1rv we spent as much as bournemouth and fulham, where are they on the table right now?

[@s17evenb]

@@dbz9393 and our greatest level of success has come the season we have had our lowest net spend (since being back in the prem).

[@captainhowdy9845]

Last season, if you took Forest's terrible set piece defending out of the equation, they would have been a solid mid-table side. Also, when they managed to get Murillo and Boly on the field together, they were one of the best defensive partnerships in the league. Problem was that Boly could barely stay fit. So if you plug Milenkovic into that, you've gone quite some way to explaining why Forest have drastically improved. Add Woods' form and Sels being outstanding and there you go. That'll be 500 quid please.

[@-dizzoj-]

We only signed Sels at the end of January last season too, and before that dropped a fair few points to goalkeeping howlers. Got to mention as well there was some horrendous luck in terms of decisions going against us last season, and I swear I'm not just saying that. Maybe not quite Wolves level but pretty close.

[@BaldricksTurnip1]

Nice comment, I'll give you a big sloppy kiss,Not if you are a Derby fan..

[@vasanthramalingam1601]

If chris wood could, chris wood would

[@andrewcharlton6080]

But realistically how much would could a Chris Wood could if a Chris Wood could could would? It’s not perfect but I had to try!

[@jfkilk]

I Wood'nt have thought he cood wood any wood, cood he?

[@PatrickSteegman]

He should

[@K-sn6km]

One thing that wasn't mentioned was the fact that Forest got promoted a season earlier than expected - this was the reason they had so many loan players and players not good enough to play premier football. They had no option but to buy. They managed to stay up by pure guts, determination and commitment kept them in the prem. The forest fans were so optimist this year in that pole as they knew once we managed to consolidate and get the players they needed to compete then they would once again be a force to recon with. I think they are still ahead of schedule but because of the belief, spirit and a great manager with the players playing a style that suits out makeup they have managed to maintain the progression. A quality assessment guys and great to see Yates been picked out. He may not be the most talented but he sure bleeds Red and an example for younger players that its not all about talent - hard work and commitment and using your brain can get to far in life and football!

[@mostlyqwerty]

it laso helps that the owner is at least as interested in winning trophies as the financial rewards. So many owners prioritise finace over trophies.

[@ThePerks2010]

They've also got pretty much the entirety of England's youth midfield setup between 2018-2022

[@airzee515]

So good to have this alternative insight. Its been horrible to finally get back to the prem and have to listen to the Garys undermine everything we do and have subtle digs at our club and style of play rather than give us our flowers. Great analysis. Who needs sky or bbc! 👏🏼

[@davidb9531]

Thank you, im so fed up of people calling us a low block team when generally we are not - hopefully this educates some people

[@jamespreston7823]

You failed to mention the MOST important thing about Ryan Yates The G'DMN CONSTANT HUGE SMILE on his face while he's doing all the things he does 😁😁😁

[@anirudhraghavarachuri9989]

8:54 JJ and Joe's chemistry is hilarious

[@domhuckle]

Joe is such an anti-host he actually is the greatest host of all - not the hero we wanted... But the hero we needed!

[@MartinL-i8j]

An interesting point. When Forest pass, they’re absolutely phenomenal at it. When conditions are right they’re passing very tight to create conditions for traps to play that effective attack. It obviously helps with such quality in the attack. Spot on re Newcastle finding a way though, but that shows you how difficult it is to play against them. You should look at Bayern Leverkusen, same as Forest

[@SerioussoccerfanYT]

Forest chasing the mighty Liverpool..just like they did in the Clough years. It's great to see a historic club like Nottingham forest do well after decades in the doldrums. Forest were England's second biggest club (behind Liverpool) until the turn of the century. Nuno, backed by the Eve Marinakis' spending spree, has built a foxy side and revitalised the club. 🦊

[@dbz9393]

A lot of people make fun of marianakis but he is a very serious man when it comes to his clubs, regardless on your views he wants forest to return to being an elite european team and he has the resources to do so.

[@SerioussoccerfanYT]

@dbz9393 I admire his resolve as his spending spree and ambitions have been mocked until now. The key lies in building from this season's positives and looking beyond Nuno otherwise this could be another Southampton under Koeman or Wolves under Nuno type of run where a club over achieves for a season or two, and then wheels come off.

[@dbz9393]

@@SerioussoccerfanYT Yes I agree, plans are being made, Edu has been hired to manage all of his clubs and he did a fantastic job at arsenal.

[@SKa-tt9nm]

Look, I have great love for clough and forest. I’m glad to see them do well. But to say that they were the second biggest club until the turn of the century is just incorrect. First, United were quite clearly bigger than them, especially by the turn of the century. And Forest were relegated at the very beginning of the prem league era (clough’s last season) and another time in the 90s alone.

[@Alex-t8z8r]

Not a bad assessment of Forest. The only significant omission would be the fact that in the 5 games in the first half of the season in which we had over 50% possession we were still undefeated. We won 3 and drew 2, so “giving Forest the ball” isn’t really a way to combat us. However, if opponents want to try giving us the ball more I’m sure the team won’t mind! P.s. I think Forest will finish 5th. COYR

[@shipshapeow590]

"It's okay guys he put his glasses back on." 😂

[@TheAthleticFC]

We're glad you picked up on it 🤝

[@zumateen]

​@@TheAthleticFC I pause the video to read these tags ... EVERY damn video 😅😅

[@markgoodson1032]

Forest have played best club in Prem in a return fixture and taken four points.Nuno had two successive seasons of seventh place finish with similar approach without atail off.

[@Withoutbesi]

Nuno Espírito Santo deserves massive credit. This team was on the blink of relegation when he took over. English managers are trash, Cooper had the same squad and almost relegated the team.

[@josec8814]

Nuno will 90% get sacked next season

[@migaelurk]

wonder why he failed at spurs

[@davidgould5708]

I wouldn't swap Eddie Howe for any other manager.

[@TheAthleticFC]

Eddie Howe and Graham Potter have entered the chat 👀

[@Oreolorun]

You are acting like nuno wasn't there last season and they finished 17th. Yes what he has done this season was amazing but forgetting that Cooper brought them up without much investment and the issue was they signed players too late. The squad is settled now that is what cooper could never do.

[@saelaird]

As a Forest fan, all I can say is that they're by far the best Forest side I've ever seen. At the City Ground I watched them vs Villa and saw 11 lads who played like they'd rather die, than lose. They committed 100%, truly. And as a fan, you can't ask for anything more.

[@jasonwright6823]

Last season it took the PL the first ten games to work Tottenham out and now its another @50 games on and Tottenham has failed to come up with a plan B. Forest have played 21 games this season so far. Nuno is a smart coach. He's working on a plan B and a plan C. He has a vison for the team's future style of play. It will require some new additions to the squad. That takes time. This team will evolve.

[@lifesahobby.]

the irony is he used to be spurs coach lol

[@juz882010]

they only have 1 plany, defend and play on counter... what are you on about?

[@jasonwright6823]

@ The future!

[@nffclacey]

We're by far the greatest team you've ever seen and it's Nottingham forest

[@zzaaann]

I admire JJ for crossing sporting boundries by leaning into his minor viral moment in NZ and giving mention to Richie McCaw on Tifo.

[@LukeConnelly1]

OOTL, what did JJ do that went minorly viral? 😅

[@zzaaann]

@LukeConnelly1 his Chris Wood song is being discussed on the radio etc

[@LukeConnelly1]

@zzaaann Ah haha, thanks!

[@sugar4522]

Forest and Bournemouth are on fire!

[@laclaude1234]

Seriously, Joe is just marvelous. A gem.

[@markgoodson1032]

Appreciate the debunking the media claims that Forest are a low block team. Not enough credit has been given to the coach and and a talented squad that plays to its strengths

[@Druville]

The way they play is a reflection of their manager, calm in defending, lure the opposition into a false sense of control then attack with purpose

[@sonicgoo1121]

The term water carrier comes from cycling. Certain riders are designated to do the hard work for the top guys and one of the things they do is drop back behind the peloton to go get the bidons of water and then bring those forward.

[@Popjaksound]

le domestique

[@azalikmar2]

Wood's goal v Everton.. The header leaning back to set up the one two

[@edutottenham]

Murillo is the GOAT

[@mostlyqwerty]

Forest play to their strengths. I have supported Forest since 1969 and when we play fast counter-attacking football it has brought us success and has been highly entertaining. I don't knock possesion football, it is highly succesful for the few clubs who can afford world class technically gifted players, but I find counter attacking much more exciting to watch.

[@RoyGregory-m6b]

Forrest's work ethic is brilliant. Hope they do well.

[@jamespreston7823]

Forest's first transfer window was done with a slurry hose... and this is a Forest fan speaking Forest's supermarket : Aldi's middle aisle specials bins, some great value if you choose carefully Contradictory ? Maybe... 😀

[@liambirkin4037]

We are doing brilliant and just enjoying the ride

[@ryangloria2068]

Forest defense is impeccable

[@GeorgeSorinTanase]

Except for set pieces. Here we go again with that

[@PretentiousNoob]

We're definitely doing enough to be a prem side currently. Last year we were a bit crap.

[@RyanMearns]

This is the most new zealand coded episoded which makes sense with jj the producer of nz's new national anthem

[@PretentiousNoob]

Yates also known as Mr 50p head, as his head resembles a coin of the aforementioned denomination. He's the king of naughtiness, the smiling assassin. He talks absolute nonsense the whole game and infuriates opposition players into getting sent off. He's become a fan favourite recently although he's been bloody annoying for years to his great credit.

[@cbatl]

Oh my. Not often I hear Villarreal players mentioned. Barry has been frustrating to watch this season. You can tell he has talent but he's not elegant in any way. He tries things but it goes awry as often as it works. His touch needs a lot of work. He sometimes moves like he's mid growth spurt and hasn't figured out how long his legs are. That inconsistency paired with the injuries to others offensive forwards and wingers is why our goals have shriveled up. Doubt we move him but if he stays, he needs to take advantage of this time to fully lock down a starting spot.

[@jasonlee3218]

How to be beat Forest? Strategy 1 didn't work when Spurs tried it. Strategy 2 didn't work when Liverpool tried it (they scored from a corner kick).

[@ivancampoo]

Sorry if I've gone mad, but did that graphic just say that Ollie McBurnie is La Liga's most 'creative striker'

[@dbz9393]

giving forest the ball won't work to counter them, bournemouth tried it against us and they were nearly beaten. We got hammered by man city, newcastle and arsenal, but ever since then nuno has seemed to adjust and iron out our weaknesses against very high pressing teams

[@guardiansofarthedain3114]

YATESY 🐐

[@joeszpuk]

Yates wins about as many fouls as he concedes, by the way. Warrior.

[@robertcrisp6297]

If Chris Wood could, then Chris Wood would🎵

[@pauli_]

Great video. Amazing how i don't see any of this when i watch.

[@anirbandebnathaudiobook4880]

When all your players individual performance is at its best ,your system will work like a charm. That's happening with Nottingham Forest. They have been able to pull off their basic incredibly. That's why they have been efficient in every match.

[@AhhshsBenhehe]

nuno espirito is giving his players cocaine before games to make them better

[@TheLIMREPORT]

The most Kiwi references in a pod ever because of Chris Wood? 26:01 - the rugby player who tore his testicles is not Richie McCaw, it’s Buck Shelford in the Battle of Nantes against France in 1986. But yes McCaw was very good and the Ryan Yates along with Chris Wood and Murillo of the All Blacks. And McCaw did actually play the entire Rugby World Cup in 2011 with a broken leg contrary to what you say that people cannot play with a broken leg. Although it was a bone in his foot technically.

[@sportbilly2008]

Totally expected a Chris Wood could comment.

[@tom_dot_com]

Nottingham make a sensible transfer for Sangare, and less than 2 years later they're making a title charge. IT Was easy to see.

[@MorleyGames1]

He’s barely played

[@Popjaksound]

@@MorleyGames1 He's a good luck charm though.

[@anthonymitchell8893]

tom i can tell you don't know much about english foorball😎 one ' sangre has been injured for months 'two no body repeat nobody calls them nottingham they are nottingham forest or just forest

[@MaybeBrayDad]

I can always tell whether or not someone has an opinion worth listening to simply by hearing what they say about Ryan Yates.

[@Alex-fv1um]

Only 2 minutes in and already feel the need to chime in with the expected goal discussion. We're comfortable out of possession and don't concede much at all (include xGA), yet we're managing to score the first goal in the vast majority of our games. Is that not a very key influencer on our xG figure? Why would we push on to score more multiple goals if we're so comfortable defending a lead?

[@jackhennessy762]

Can we please talk about Bournemouth?

[@jamesochtman-corfe8178]

JJ Bull eats T bone steaks, lifts barbell plates and he's sweeter than a german chocolate cake

[@CdeMaDaejsAripi]

Bring back TIFO football man. Y'all promised a sensible transfers video on United 2 weeks and it still hasn't been published.

[@BaldricksTurnip1]

NFFC ,we are back and here to stay COYR

[@Shawn-cv1lr]

Do you know how good Chris wood is

[@strich7385]

We are magic ❤️‍🔥

[@forgetfulLlama31]

Forest's style and success are reminiscent of Leicester in 2016. We all know the Foxes won it that year; could Forest do the same? No: • EVERY other team had a mare to varying degrees - Leicester won it with just 81 points from Arsenal in second on 71 • Vardy in his prime, Mahrez and Kante - 3 truly exceptional players Could Forest be expected to maintain this level of performance year on year? Unlikely: • Look what happened to Leicester when the other teams spent big (again) and got their act together • Wood is having the season of his life but, at 33, this feels like a last hurrah • Forest have only scored 30 goals this season - 13th place • Counter-attacking football that prioritises defense has a higher floor and lower ceiling than other styles imo • Big investment in new players and contracts will be needed, which will come under scrutiny of PSR • If Forest deservedly finish in the European places, the extra games will mean they need to buy, and also rotate, players which could disrupt defensive solidity • A large part of Forest's success so far is down to the manager. Will Espirito Santo stay if a job offer comes in from one of Europe's big(ger) boys? I'm loving Forest doing well this year, even as a Liverpool fan who's watched us make a right sow's ear of both games against them. Genuinely hope they carry on doing well.

[@dannygray4618]

The shock on my face when you cut to the table of La Ligas expected assists and OLIVER MCBURNIE is at the top. What the hell have I missed here.

[@ugiagbe123]

The disrespect before the season started was so poor. I didn’t think the season would be like this but most forest fans were thinking after a successful transfer window, we’d have a good season.

[@domhuckle]

Are they gonna fall into the West Ham trap of trying to become a more dominant team and completely fall apart?

[@Withoutbesi]

There’s many ways to play football guys. Look at Real Madrid side in 2011/12 for example. They had stars in every position and they are the best counter attacking side and scored a lot of goals from defending corners.

[@Pabloladha]

I find Ryan Yeet pretty exciting

[@TheAthleticFC]

W.

[@lukew6725]

So what I'm hearing is that Man City should sign Yates to replace Rodri.

[@PaulLatham-n1o]

Yates is the king of shithousery and we love him for it.

[@cephlo1]

If Chris Wood could, Chris wood would

[@Kharisma.ovelpo]

The song Chris wood

[@gibson617ajg]

The tune is 'Give It Up' by KC and The Sunshine Band.

[@IzingaI]

Richie McCaw played the World Cup (and won it) with a broken foot. Elite captain. Greatest of all time.

[@bsaragiotto]

After Gabriel and Van Dijk, Murillo is the best centre back in the league

[@MartinL-i8j]

Yes agree with that. But give it a season, don’t forget this is only his second season in the UK. His potential is extraordinary

[@tom99soop]

Other teams might know what we want to do now , but most are so obsessed with posession they cant give it up

[@mrartdeco]

Forest’s low intensity games ensures player like Chris Wood longevity and consistency throughout a season

[@aut0roboto]

Good enough for third place

[@TheAthleticFC]

That would be HUGE.

[@notekase4691]

The last bit is wrong. Looking at the crap at man united elanga was badly overlooked. Ragnick played him but they are an impatient bloated club. CHO same story at chelsea. The recruitment by forest has been the best in the league. They found Marillo on some beach in brazil😂 Aina best rightback in the league was free. Best of all is nuno who mentors players like Neco Williams to elite level. Lastly ryan yates is actually a very good footballer his play-acting is getting a little annoying. Stupid yellow against liverpool etc.

[@gibson617ajg]

PSR rules are only applicable to teams who aren't Manchester City.

[@RapidHenry]

I'd say they're shopping in TK Maxx, buy those that don't work for everyone but they like

[@md.abdullaalwailykhanchowd3974]

21:21 where did you guys get these shots!? 😂

[@mTLpHfumfaomd]

Finally 👍👍👍

[@TheAthleticFC]

Hope you enjoy!

[@mTLpHfumfaomd]

@TheAthleticFC its great, thank you

[@ljohnson7450]

Yates played with fracture rib a few years ago.

[@Socialmediainfluenza21]

Sir Buck Shelford is the All Black you are thinking of

[@indexpictures]

they will finish 6th-8th. will hit a rough patch next month.

[@CoolGreyDog]

You guys should really upload more videos, everyone loves your thoughtful and considered analysis yet you upload just once a week, sadly.

[@sallycinnamon356]

I'm glad you boy's acknowledged Yates , he divides opinion with the supporters, but he just keeps proving people wrong , I love Yates #22 👊

[@lateraldeano]

I keep imagining him captaining the team in the Champions League.

[@Amethyst_Friend]

Liverpool tried to score from outside the box during the first half of the City Ground match. It got them absolutely nowhere.

[@aizuddinshah6948]

26:17 Another best example would be Jordan Henderson, not really talented player but does ticks all the boxes for a leader

[@aaronpwalls]

Thank god Jon put his glasses back on. I was worried

[@TheAthleticFC]

We got you 🤝

[@domhuckle]

Moby... Moby... Moby Moby Moby John Mackenzie

[@bariqdharmawan6604]

The title changed?

[@fraac]

jj bull the bollard

[@Chip_in]

JJ it was Buck Shelford who had his nuts cut up in a game. Ritchie won the world cup with a broken foot hiding it from medical staff so he could keep playing ⛳

[@jekanyika]

Is that guy on work experience?

[@jimjimson9]

Olivier giroud for back up

[@DJ-dk8he]

Best team in the league right now!!

[@Miles-sy9cf]

Against Newcastle Forest lost their shape. It was 1 - 1 and Forest pushed too many players forward to try and win it. Left too much space at the back. Basically Newcastle did a Forest on Forest

[@corushii]

Me watching this after the concede 5 goals to Bournemouth without scoring any

[@akunwanneprosper7016]

They plan on selling Taiwo Enough funds to secure a Target forward from championship

[@olivermay7552]

Do you know how good Chris Wood is? I bet you don’t. I didn’t see it coming.

[@anthowarth801]

Please stop with the media trained hand gestures.

[@ab8jeh]

9:35 Gibbson White 🤣

[@fillipe4700]

they cookin