How Good is the Grave Robber?

[@rarpott]

What a "Weak" rating means in these reviews: As you turn up the difficulty you find out that the strengths of this character become less and less useful, so if you want to play on the highest difficulty this character is not recommended. Seems to me that some people refuse to understand this.

[@KoboldCommando]

I think it's hard to understand with games like this just how brutal things get and how defensively you have to play until you've got some experience with the playstyle. I still remember learning to play XCOM 1 "properly". I was confused watching someone's videos, with how defensive they were, watching all their lines of sight and coverage, never using half-cover, never scouting toward the end of a turn, and just minimizing each and every possible risk. But then if you try that style of play for yourself, you start to see how it pays off in a few missions. Because you're minimizing risks, each encounter is less deadly, they don't bleed together, and the whole experience goes more smoothly. Same with DD.

[@HeyItzMeDawg]

"What a "Weak" rating means in these reviews: As you turn up the difficulty you find out that the strengths of this character become less and less useful, so if you want to play on the highest difficulty this character is not recommended." It really has nothing to do with difficulty though. Low light is a tactical choice for more treasure at the cost of more risk and narrower party requirements... but if you're always full on loot every run there's little reason to play low light aside from saving you the cost of curio interaction provisions. And "Weak" means poor at low light runs, where accuracy & speed matter, stress is a bigger issue, & dodge does nothing. When you "turn down the difficulty" i.e. turn up the light, plenty of characters he likes become less useful than the characters he calls "weak". And light doesn't really make things more difficult at the end of the day, it just changes what is time & risk optimal.

[@favorx183]

And light doesn't really make things more difficult at the end of the day. Clearly you've never played on low light. Low light = higher monster damage, accuracy, chance of enemy surprise, stress damage. You also lose 15% scouting chance from the light. The difference between low light and light is massive.

[@dimebag5884]

Everyone understands this it's just an unhelpful way to look at things. Yes when you shift your colourmap such that only the very highest data points aren't black can you see which the best characters are. But in my opinion it's all the shades of grey that you're missing out on that are the interesting part of the game.

[@qwormuli77]

While i still think there is something to say about his thoughts on some of the classes, otherwise you're completely correct.

[@FinleyZero]

I really like having a party with a Crusader, a Grave Robber and a Highwayman. With Holy Lance, Lunge, Shadow Fade, Point Blank Shot and Duelist's Advance, every battle becomes a dance of sorts where you can swap your front position heroes around at will and can target most enemy ranks easily. (You also have access to stuns and stress heals - and blight and bleed if needed - as an added bonus.) Even though it might not be the best lineup (I'm not that great at min-maxing - that's why I come to watch FilthyRobot's vids :D), it's a hell of a fun run every time. (Replace your position 4 healer for a Jester in short dungeons for complete chaos. :P)

[@ihave2cows]

The entire point of grave robber having blight is so that she isn't useless vs enemies/bosses with high prot, since as you said before damage is the only thing she has. I thought that was a bit obvious.

[@julianbrewster4633]

ihave2cows then why not give her the same ability but it lowers protection instead? Wouldn't that make more sense for her kit? I mean, it's easier (probably rather lazy) to just give her random blight.

[@ihave2cows]

The only way to lower prot that I'm aware of is through marks, and while that might be more synergetic than poison darts, I'm not sure how giving the grave robber a mark would qualify as being less random than poison darts. Thematically the darts kind of make sense since she also has an anti-venom themed ability. I wouldn't really mind either way, but I don't think it's fair to call the darts random or lazy.

[@Nemer49994]

The problem is that blight can be used pretty much only in the ruins and the cove but : The cove has only has a few monsters with high prot but they're not dangerous if you have a Plague Doctor or bandages due to a lack of raw damage. The ruins have two monsters with moderate/high prot and one with a low prot so the darts are useless there. Every dungeon has ghouls which can be blighted but since you will focus them they won't live long enough to take a lot of damage from the blight. As a result this move is incredibly weak compared to others because it does low damage overall while also being very situational. A good way to buff it would be to make it hit 2 targets at the same time.

[@czowiekcma7099]

Its crazy how these caracters changes over the years

[@demarcusiii4241]

did arbalest get better or worse over the years?

[@J4ckmaestro]

nah she's still terrible now

[@Monjijii]

I think you really should take the character specific trinkets into your rating, I think they matter more than the camping skills

[@turtlyduckgamer5144]

Looking at each character from the dark run perspective really limits what makes a character good huh. To be good in the dark you need high hp, speed, damage, ability to target back ranks, stuns, and a heal or stress heal, while having decent camping skills....... So the hellion pretty much. :/

[@skelskeleton]

Yes but if a character can survive stygian + no light they can survive pretty much anywhere. A character who is bad here may be good in say medium + light but the other strong characters are going to be more powerful logically.

[@turtlyduckgamer5144]

Ryan Wilson yes that makes sense, but at this point it isn't really "what characters are good" cause most can be, it's really just "what characters can endure this shitfest the best with their utility." But I guess since we are looking at a game about survival the people who have less risk of dying would be seen as better.

[@HopelessXzavier]

Ryan Wilson that's actually flawed logic. You're assuming that because of one reason or the other, that they aren't good or as good on a place with equal ground. It's not that the games on "the hardest mode oooh noo" it's that youve purposely fucked dodge characters by having no light. They're fine where they are. Your not supposed to play the game with no light then bitch when someone doesn't dodge. Yes, in an environment where dodge is negated the completely by bonus enemy accuracy and they have an increase in miss rate then yes every squishy dps hero sucks ass. Because YOU made them suck ass. Grave robber jester highway man and hound master are good characters when you don't purposely stack the odds against them. Some characters do better when you play like an ape yes, that doesn't mean their inherently better or more viable.

[@lopeden]

HopelessXzavier well ok, but also, hes talking worst case scenario. like he said, if you turn up the light, the other heros still are more consistent. this is about rating how consistently good a hero is. if we went over all the modifying scenarios wed be here all day

[@brothermutant7370]

Funny, as my Hellions usually die in my playthroughs. One thing I wish he'd discuss is how you could use trinkets to shore up some of those holes in her abilities. Like trinkets that increase damage or HP at the cost of speed, which she has plenty of.

[@hughthehandjackman1236]

0:43 ''If you want to get something out of the way '' :P Just in case if someone needs it .

[@dragensrul]

MvP

[@Mitoru.]

Nice vid Kripp, good to see your hair is growing back.

[@Maurice040684]

Blizz, please nerf Flappy Bird!

[@TwiCaCaX]

+Maurice040684 ah for once dont invade good videos, stay in your lane kripperinos!

[@Ohtrin]

I like that he is exploring outside of non-TCG titles again. =P

[@RoKishDubbz]

Mitoru Man of culture spotted

[@tokiwartooth4404]

Didn't Krip get his exposure form that awful Diablo 3 MTX skins game? The one that's a live service with maintenance, paid content all over the place, and no official mod support? Promotes real money gambling for children also? Hearthstone.

[@Mr_GameAndWatch]

GR is best waifu, other ratings doesn't matter

[@skelskeleton]

Plague doctor would like a word.

[@toprak3479]

+Ryan Wilson No.

[@anphoneron]

Diego Armando What about Aloy? Er... "Hellion"

[@toprak3479]

She hot. But her head is unproportionate to her body. Antiquarian = Plague Doctor < Hellion < Grave Robber < Flagellant ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (Edit: Forgot Arbalest lol)

[@minaharker3592]

Excuse me how dare u say this when the arbalest and hellion exist

[@manicdogma2240]

I use the poison darts loads of the time, since Blight is inherently very strong. Especially in the Cove and the Ruins. Also, since the nerfs to Jester she's the best first turn burster in the game with Lunge. So I respectfully disagree with the declaration of weak.

[@ThaStrum]

for me it seems like Filthy doesent like any of the heros.

[@banger_land]

i dunno about now, but at pre-release of DD, grave robbers had insane crit and dodge in darkness, so 4 of them had insane scouting chance even at pitch black, almost 70% crit chance and enough speed to kill anything in 2 turns max. Ironically the highter level those dodge based characters were, the harder it was for them to die. Yeh, sure, crusaders had 0 death door chance too, and with max PROT they took literally no damage, but who cares about that?

[@duende29]

I'm guessing they threw the Poison Dart in there so you could deal good damage to the very high prot enemies.

[@RuiGomes43]

@Shenglu Chen Pick to the face didn't have armor pierce at the time the video was made

[@Patcherson]

Dude keep these coming! After you're finished mind doing a tutorial on how to build a party?

[@christophertimm5179]

poison dart is for high prot enemies like gargoyles

[@hanamlchl]

This. As an exclusive dmg dealer, Poison Dart lets the GR stay relevant against prot enemies in the Ruins and Cove, and gives you the option to build flexibility into blight parties with her other abilities. Say what you will about her dart, but with a Plague Doctor and Abomination they can roll a 14-24 blight stack on a multi-turn boss.

[@thegreattsbob]

The question he was asking was why make that part of *her* kit. The move itself isn't bad, it just doesn't fit her optimum role. She is best at lunging and retreating for damage and stun by a hefty margin. Stun and recovery support is *much* better than debuff support at the higher difficulties and you need to build for something with quirks and items. Abominations cant pair with the best healers in the game and PD will always be built to land her dots. It is not unusable, but definitely not synergistic with the rest of her kit.

[@mirilion8372]

Daryl Ebanks She has 2 builds - blight dodge tank and glass cannon dps. I dunno, maybe the dodge mechanic allows her to avoid damage can synergise with the mechanic that allows her to deal damage over time? (Edit: I'm not saying that the blight tank build is good, I'm just pointing out how she does have synergy with blight)

[@hanamlchl]

You folks are too rigid in your thinking. You can change up skills mid-dungeon and the dart gives GR flexibility in places like the Ruins and Cove where high prot enemies abound (think ghoul, crab crusher, or bone captain). Then you can switch back to your main skill loadout for a boss. Regarding the blight debuff - it's for GR's benefit so she doesn't have to itemize for blight application. Also, stacking blight against multi-turn or CC-centric bosses and like the Drowned Crew, Siren etc lets you maintain dps even when you lose control of your heroes. Dart lets GR maintain blight stacks if your PD/Abo are unable to.

[@thegreattsbob]

No one is saying she is unusable or even that the ability is useless. We understand what its for, the point is: her kit is designed around different mechanics. Again it is not unusable, it is just almost always an inferior option. Her optimal builds use her abilities and stats concert. All characters are good enough to get though the content in high light. She has at least three builds and blight dodge tank is not one that I am thinking of.

[@achatz8391]

The GR is an excellent character, yet horribly underrated and underused for some reason. With a shitload of speed, good damage, high crit chance, and the ability to attack any position and operate from any position, she makes a great addition to any aggro party. One of the best aggro classes in the game, imho. Just throw her in position 4, start off with "Lunge" and then continue with "Pick to the Face" and "Thrown Dagger".

[@qwormuli77]

Filthy's just the type to play extremely cautiously and fear variance, but that keeps him alive in the harder challenge runs. I know, as i was like that a while back, and i absolutely loathed GR, occultist and the like. Now that i've gotten to experiment with passive dodge and balancing variance i have done a lot better, but each to their own, as Filthy's style works too. Just remember that his, mine and everybody else's advise is just an opinion coloured by our playstyles. His works, but is far from the only one and not the most optimal one(like mine, to be honest).

[@funnyjuk]

How Good is the FilthyRobot?

[@ZackTheGiant]

shit

[@toprak3479]

Lowest IQ in the game tied with Leper kappa

[@nitpicker9406]

A step below the best.

[@banfiesta7158]

NOT THE LEPER GNOME

[@Fairyhell]

GR is a dodge queen. With her rare trinket and ancestor coat, she rarely get hit if you shadowface first turn. What make her better is she never miss a target twice! She has no problem with shuffling too.

[@Jackoosh1]

Jester has a midrank aoe too

[@andrewferris6239]

The Grave robber has particularly excellent class specific trinkets. She is almost a stress healer due to getting around 25% crit chance on her thrown daggers. Her best trinket only downside is extra food consumed, small price to pay.

[@erk4573]

we need a Skipperino Roboterino

[@1Carnaby]

Who will post a time-code to the point where he finally says his opinion on character's overall strenght. Like 12:30

[@erk4573]

1Carnaby I was actually thinking of a Skipperino that skips the intro where he gives the brief disclaimer about the whole NG No Light Bloodmoon thing

[@cawcawcaw9160]

I like the speed, it makes sure when she lunges she'll push my crusader back in time so he can then lance the back row.

[@HeadGotShanked]

I like to put her in row 3 or 4 and focus her ranged attacks. You're right about toxin trickery but it's still better than nothing if there's nothing else available to remove bleed or blight. In a party with other mobile heroes like jester, highwayman, man-at-arms or crusader, she can lunge, and then other heroes can move her back by advancing forward with rampart or holy lance, etc..

[@loszhor]

YOU DON'T USE GR'S POISON DARTS!? But it's ok, you do you.

[@fullmetalpoitato5190]

I feel like the GR mobility synergy deserved a mention here. Highwayman, Graverobber, Jester, Shieldmaiden etc etc. If you are ballsy or I guess crazy enough to go 100% offense you can build some pretty crazy parties with the Graverobber and other fast movers.

[@leslierobinson8724]

Poison Darts is useful for: A. Enemies with prot. Provides low direct damage with stackable dot. B. Stall fights. Again provides both direct, and dot damage, while chance to crit, aiding with stress recovery. C. It seems to have higher than average reliability. Seems to hit, and proc effect more often than bleed, specifically in areas where enemies are suppose to be vulnerable to the effect ie the Ruins, and Cove. And this is without eqiupping blight aiding trinkets. Besides, I'm too busy giving her trinkets for more hp/damage/spd, to focus on blighting anyway. Rarely, for me, does it not hit, and not proc. Conversely, bleeds in the Weald, and Warrens with, and certainly without trinkets seem to be more often resisted. Though, the GR can certainly aide in getting those bleeds to proc with Flashing Daggers. Anyway, I would encourage people not to sleep on this ability.

[@reanamet1901]

I sometimes feel like these videos lack sufficient analysis in regards to exact party synergies (e.g. synergizing mark-casting characters with mark-reaping characters), but the insightful commentary is still very interesting.

[@cemetables5114]

I absolutely love the grave robber mainly because of her ability to move around and pair well with other blight classes, I usually take a plague doctor and a grave robber together (both of which are my first lvl 6s because I love them both to DEATH)

[@PintOfBass4l]

I work the dart ability in with her when I am doing an area with high prot mobs. In one run I spammed this on the 8 pounder, after two castings the blight stuck, and my plague doctors blight stuck. Its a situational skill, but when it works it allows her to maintain high DPS.

[@marcobournissen9127]

For starters, I just want to saz that your work is really good and I really like the scientific way you treat the subject. I disagree on the grave robber, because the class works perfectly in synergy in the party Femmes fatales, ( Hellion, grave robber, Plague doctor and Vestal. ) with the right trinkets, and a little bit of luck, you can jus finish the back stress dealers in the first round. Also her high critic capacity is good for the stress healing. Her poionning capacity is also really pratical for the ruins and the cove and complete the poisonning of the Plague lepper very well. She trhow a knife, and after the Plague Doctor give some damage over it, you can kill the stress dealers very quick.. Her trap disarming hability is almost the best in the game, so she can heal some stress for herself in a lot of situations. Lunge alson have a good critic and you can often kill a stress dealer really fast or protect another member by switching places. You can also do it going backwards with the shadow, with a small chance of stun. For me, she is a like a swiss knife, as the man at arms is, a fragile one, but pretty useful. Also the lunge and shadow helps a lot in case of surprise situations, and this kind of disagrement happens quite often in black as pitch. Yes, the dodge is not really useful in the hardest levels, but she can escape bad situations really quick. I always use the following capacities: Lunge, throw knive, shadow, and poisonning. You can also make a really funny party with a Highwayman in front, a man at arms in the second line, the grave robber in the third position and a vestal to help. The stun and speed differential of the man at arms with the high speed of both the H.man and the G, robber, makes one of the quickest partys ever. Man, give the grave robber another chance.

[@Maurice040684]

I use her blight ability a lot on the big crabs in the cove, which have high prot stats. If I use another blight char with her, the debuff part of her blight skill can be nice too (for examble for the plague doc). Apart from this I use this ability on bosses on which my tactic is to stack blight dots. (This works for me on the ruin bosses for example quite well.)

[@toprak3479]

I always run Graverobber with a Man at Arms, an Occultist and a Jester. With the formation being GR - O - J - MaA. The strategy is simple: Hopefully the Graverobber goes before the Jester, she lunges forward and takes out or severely damages an enemy, preferably the enemy in position 3. The Jester goes second and either heals stress or bleeds 2 and 3. Some of the enemies will go now and hit GR or MaA. No problem, heal her with Occultist or you can damage 3 and 4 if you're in cove (that deals a lotta damage). Man at Arms protects Graverobber if she's low, activates riposte otherwise. The rest of the turns will be similar except most enemies will hit MaA now and Occultist can heal him by 10-20hp each turn if you don't get unlucky. Jester's bleed, Man at Arms' riposte and Graverobber's burst will have killed three of the enemies by the end of second turn, most likely. You can stun with the MaA and GR while healing with the Occultist and healing stress with the Jester the last turn while the enemy stays stunned.. Then end him with a lunge.

[@qwormuli77]

THE fastest character in the game. Also, the amazing cumulative crit chance(base + modifier etc) gives her a stellar stress resist(i don't often bring stress healers with GR, especially if you pair her with another good crit character). Also, *no flashing daggers*? That thing is amazing hp equalizer, that makes killing the hit enemies so much easier, before they can pose a problem, especially on later difficulties. Also, only rarely has a multi-target attack a lower DMG mod than -40(only the low base dmg Occultist comes to mind), so it's really efficient and reliable damage(double the roll, half the variance). The bleed resist is just a small buff with bleeders and not the main attraction. Lastly, the mid-rank AOE is the best AOE Lunge is great 'oh shit' - move and a finisher, as you can kill the last threatening enemy or move yourself to recovery faster and more reliably(the crits are also welcome, again) or to easily move positions for classes like arbalest. Lastly, you can spend it to kill anything critical before you can control the rest. Poison darts is a less effective, but quite reliable and versatile skill to help murder some of the tankier foes, but often they are left last and used to farm crits, so the skill is more situational. But nevertheless, quite a good option to change if needed. One thing to mention with this skill is, that it's a good pick with a stun heavy party, as dot's usefulness is doubled with it. Lastly, the toxin trickery is not too great of a skill, but often undervalued. You can use your downtime to remove all those pesky dots from you without piling load for the healer, as a dot can often tick after the battle has ended and bring you to the next one in worse condition than necessary. Still, mostly marginal at best and i use it mostly in lv3 dungeons and in select biomes, as lv1:s have too little dots and lv5:s have other priorities and comps. On the camping skills, pilfer is nice padding and can bring you some needed supplies. Night moves is really cheap and you don't need to invest more respite points into scouting, as the GR talisman + the skill gives easily enough. Gallows humor is ~70 stress for 4 points, which is not bad at all, so if you have time, it's likely not wasted. I have to also mention that if you feast, the possible negative can't bring afflict anyone, bar some heavy +stress trinkets. Snuff box is great, except it has a chance of removing your hard qrinded rabies(and we don't want that, now do we?). In the end, i believe you have so much trouble with the GR, because you just love to tease those situations out with her. But some nice thoughts overall, made me think through some strategies again! Also, she has one of the best trinkets in the whole game, namely the GR talisman.

[@themaniomarian]

That stuff with low HP and fast Speed can be solved by making healer slow than monsters, so he/she will always heal blighted/bleeding hero. I remember one trinket for vestal that give +8SPD for frist turn and -4(I think) after that round.

[@AnishChari]

This makes a lot of sense, the Vestal can then lead with a stun, and spend the rest of the match healing the damage done before round 1.

[@redtarget5275]

Hey Filthy, is your opinion still the same about dodge to this day? Just wondering if there was any sort of buff.

[@WadeStar]

Poison Darts is for those edge-cases where you fight an undead with high protection... I guess. That's gotta be pretty high protection though to make it worthwhile. Or if you want to combo with the plague doctor (who probably doesn't need the help with blight resist anyway--that's what trinkets are for IMO). But those are quite edgy edge case to dedicate an entire skill to.

[@FinleyZero]

As for poison darts: I feel like it can be justified in case you run across an enemy with high prot and have no marker on your team. (I mean, optimally you shouldn't end up in a situation like that to begin with, but in case it happens, you might be better off blighting than going straight for direct damage.) I could be mistaken tho, just thought I'd put my two cents in. :P

[@karllenasson]

Thanks for those class guide / assessment videos. Just started playing a week ago, watching these had helped me a lot. Just a bit of a different question: noticed in some of your footage the animations are faster than normal, is that some kind of mod?

[@joelruvalcaba6282]

Karl Lenasson yeah called like faster combat i think

[@bednar3385]

I wouldnt mind to see one even little bit longer video ićovering all recent changes. No exactly recent but updated :/ but love this playlist

[@LockeCarnelia]

kinda disagree to the poison darts point, i think it not only enables an all ranged playstyle for grave robber but also adds a bit of extra utility and works well with plague doctor and abomination's blights

[@clar9425]

I love the breakdown of the stats. Great information for newer players

[@pencilface4287]

Lunge is +40 damage, +33 damage vs blighted, and +12 crit Shadow Fade buffs for +100 attack and +8 crit With Sharpened Letter Opener (Crimson Court trinket): +25 melee damage, +5 crit She can hit like a truck.

[@critterdale2000]

I predict the Vestal and Houndmaster will be the only two strong classes besides the already reviewed Falafelegant. Honorable mention to Man-at-Arms but I feel like he might not make it due to late game damage wrecking him too much or something.

[@Xoneris]

critterdale2000 You spelled Helion wrong

[@critterdale2000]

true, you think vestal, houndmaster, hellion will be the 3 strong classes? Sounds about right

[@Xoneris]

Jester and Plague Doctor may also be strong. But thats about it i think.

[@davidbayley4785]

Jester is pretty junk after the nerf. Or If I'm wrong please tell me, because I would love to be wrong.

[@ihave2cows]

He's still the best stress healer in the game, and his damage isn't negligable. Also, finale is still great if you buff it up first (using pretty much any of his non-scythe abilities), and if you put him in position one it's basically a single-use version of point blank shot that can hit any position before putting him in the back. However, considering Filthy's rating system and how much he hates dodge, he's probably going to rate Jester medium at best because in order to efficiently pull off the finale-buff cycle you have to use solo, which puts a squishy high-dodge low-hp unit in the front in exchange for lowering the enemy team's accuracy, which he values at nothing. That being said, he's still a really solid stress heal/damage unit in position 3. As I said before, he has the best stress heal in the game (and his camping skills are amazing for stress,) and slice off isn't bad for damage. The party-wide accuracy/speed buff can be really helpful, too.

[@skyguy713]

I think she is strong if paired with a support heavy Man at Arms. Bolster add thats dodge and with Toxin Trickery, she can dodge so much stuff. And with Command, you get more crit chance to abuse on lunge/Throwing daggers, not to, mention that defender is there just in case. Stat wise she may not be the best, but if we only played with the best all comps would be the exact same. She fills a high rollers dream, with high dodge and low hp to make every dodge feel great when they work.

[@OnlyZunkin]

It is quite telling that in 80 hours of play the only characters I have ever lost have been two grave robbers. She really is squishy. She has to be played in a party that allows characters to move around freely because if you play her you do want to use her stun and lunge abilities. Stun is always nice to have and a stun that greatly buffs dodge is even better. Lunge just does a ton of damage with a high chance of a crit which is a good thing to have on a character that is fast enough to usually go first. Often she can just delete the nastiest opponent on the enemy team before anyone else gets to move. I use her as a fast damage dealer and a stress healer with secondary stun duty. Her crit chance is massive so she ends up healing more stress than many characters with actual stress healing skills so I count her as a passive stress healer as far as filling rolls goes. Often I play her along side other characters with massive +crit in order to forgo needing a dedicated stress healer. The one thing I have to say about her is she is EXTREMELY team dependent. You have to run her on a team that is basically going to stun down the entire enemy team on round one because she is too damn squishy to be running around in a party that is actively getting hit. I almost always pair her up with a Plague Doctor and/or a Hellion for this reason and stack +speed quirks and scouting. Overall I think I would rate her as just average rather than weak. She is quite flexible as a fast and flexible damage dealer and a solid stress healer but loses massive points for being so ridiculously squishy.

[@Zandohaha]

7:15 Worth noting the Jester also has a mid rank AOE with Harvest

[@Smorccc]

@filthyRobot Please take a look at the team suggestion I made on your Arbalist video, use GR HWM and Crusader to leapfrog to use Lunge(GR) and Holy lance (Crusader) EVERY turn. U will also get riposte on HWM every turn (used to push GR back to pos 2, then Holy lance pushes her back to pos 3.) Holy lance and lunge are pretty high damage skills so I really wanted to hear your thoughts for improvements and regarding how effective that kind of strategy would be on Bloodmoon difficulty (esp. since there's less focus on Dot's, which I normally use to kill bosses). On darkest I can often kill the back 2 enemies with lunge and holy lance alone, and if not then in one turn I can still kill the back 2 (near certainly) with the aid of HWM duelist advance (which can hit pos 3) and a judgement from Vestal or artillery from Occultist (both I would put in pos 4 so GR can take 3) Overall it's a well balanced team with Bleed and blight (I know u don't like to use GR's blight aha) and some high damage spikes in Holy lance, Lunge and Point Blank shot (can setup for by not using lunge on turn 1) If you can think of a way to make this type of strategy more viable on the hardest difficulty I would love to hear your thoughts.

[@marcelgolsteijn6047]

I couldn't agree more with the set gear. I personally use the grave robber in almost every team because I think her damage is insane and pretty reliable, so having a set to make her damage even more crazy would have been nice. But this set man.. I guess Ill stick with the matchstick and musket ball after all!

[@ButtaNToast]

I think Jester has a skill that can hit position 2-3 with an AoE bleed IIRC its called Slice Off? Or Harvest? One of the two, I think

[@senjuromon]

Yeah, that's Harvest. It hits middle 2 ranks

[@Beatlejuicey13]

Found ur channel today, great videos mate, many thanks 👍

[@Nocure92]

Shadow fade used to stun? :o

[@Br0k3nS41nt]

I am psychic. Strong classes iyo: Hellion, Hound Master, Plague Doctor, Vestal, (as well as Flagellant), maybe Man at Arms, because of his stun, riposte,

[@JFBrittes]

Can you do some videos about how to survive and what quests to do and in what order to survive on Stigyan and Blood Moon???

[@nyoodmono4681]

I use Graverobbers from start to the darkest dungeon just because she is the best damage dealer. Her main advantage is speed, her self buffing accuracy and her armor piercing pick. I never use fade or lunge. Her dodge is just a secondary bonus, her HP is a problem, hp reduction should be regulated with hp trinkets like martyr and she demands a quick heal if hit. However, her HP is not even lower then the houndmasters, just a little lower then the highway man. The highwayman is better after his camping skill but his mele is bleed related. Like others you do not seem to relize how important her accuracy buffs and her armorpiercing is. Toxin trickery is rarely used but not useless, just situanitonal, same with flashing daggers. You should try her relying just on thrown Dagger and Pick to the face.

[@euclidismybro1451]

Gotta disagree with you on her blight being useless. It is almost as good as Plague Doctor's blight, except single target on any rank. I don't see what's wrong with it, tbh.

[@tylernadeau653]

I think poison darts is awesome when you bring abom and plague I've had a 4th position take something like 15 points of plague damage a turn just from area blights of blight bomb and abom area blight.

[@-Bile-]

Though what you say at the beginning is true, that doesn't mean that there are things that are viable for low difficulty that are quite fun, but are not viable in high difficulty.

[@wor2xfs250]

I know he is saying anything on the "hardest" way to play the game must work on the "easier" ways but that logic seems kinda flawed to me. I mean, something good at the hardest levels obviously works, but maybe is not the optimal way to play at easier levels, I think there should be separate ratings for playing with low or high light, or radiant mode and such, Just as in fire emblem, some characters are not very good, but if you want to complete the Lunatic difficulty, you have to play with those "not so good" charaters since they are already leveled up, and I think that kind of logic applies here too. Just my opinion tho

[@Synthetic-Rabbit]

Would you recommend locking in a "Hot to Trot" quirk for the GR? I really enjoy this class and I locked that in during my current campaign and I like it if I start with a lunge.

[@powerab5550]

Filthy I must say that I think you are doing an amazing job, very quickly you put out these high quality guides which helps a lot. Thank you

[@thedarkgenious7967]

Observation after both this and the flagellant: this guy just hates DOTs and either never uses them, or barely used them against enemies they're only moderately useful against, and almost never takes the time to stack them on super high health enemies(this is why dots with resist debuffs are so damn good. for instance the graverobber can take 3 turns and they're adding 9 damage a turn on top of however much damage they're putting out with actual attacks, at apprentice level)

[@flareshiftt]

I understand where you are coming from, but I think Graverobber is quite a bit better than you give it credit for. It is however probably best to set her in position 2 as opposed to 3 or 4. Reason is so you set up the stun which increases Dodge by 30 on top of that. Then you're set to use Lunge next turn. It is quite good and I think Dodge is a lot better than you think it is. I wouldn't pretend to have never lost a Graverobber, all your criticisms are valid. But I haven't lost Graverobbers more than any other class. My most recent hero that died was a Flaggelant from full health to dead at first Death's Door check with 87% resist after enemies with lower speed than any of my characters went first in battle and critted him twice in a row and applying bleed. Sometimes there is just nothing you can do.

[@bluecarbon]

Hey! another great video. I don't know if you read the comment section (I know I wouldn't), but I was wondering if you have been using the Antiquarian in your calculation of average stats? I feel like she throws the curve off a little bit compared to "normal" characters.

[@FilthyRobot]

Yes, she's in there.

[@SuicideDeathCommando]

Awesome guide, commenting for the algorithm

[@ardynizunia9709]

Now I feel stupid cause I actually like the poison darts xD It is the highest Blight I have seen playing this game and because it debuffs the blight resist she can stack it easily. Sooo, I just really like it against tanks with good protection values.

[@Bourikii2992]

Ardyn Izunia it's honestly a great move along with flashing daggers. Her crit is so high that most of the time she hits for 30-40 on a multihit move.

[@anphoneron]

SkippyRobot FlippyRobot: 0:43

[@WoWisdeadtome]

Just curious what is your strategy against the hag as you were talking about getting a last hit on the pot with a 2+3 rank AoE? What I did was took a Plague doctor, Vestal, Crusader and Hellion and simply let the person in the pot get dumped out at death's door and the next hero up would heal them off of death's door and otherwise I just unloaded on the hag herself. Probably a risky strategy but a calculated one as I used deathblow resist trinkets to offset it and the hag does go down quickly. I'm just getting to the darkest dungeon stage of my first playthrough and haven't had a chance to try NG+ yet, maybe this strategy will be flawed at higher level?

[@everinghall8622]

I use my graverobber to shuffle my crusaders and vestals back for holy lances and healing lol, also setting up the double bleed on the jester, sounds kinda meh, but I run high bleed against the beasts (they have blight resistance >.> I still run plague doctor because a double stun is too good to pass up

[@XavierPatrello]

are we going to reconcile the district augmentations? I love hers and the jesters.

[@RyanTMark]

What if you just always use flashing daggers instead of lunge, wouldn't that allow her to still be a good damage dealer while not taking a ton of damage?

[@RandomFurry]

Ryan Mark the arbelast and houndmaster are better ranged dps if you need someone for that role

[@BezimiennyBot]

RandomFurry but she crits way more often and remember that crits = stress healing

[@arekg7397]

He already said that Flashing daggers are situationally good on certain bosses. Hitting 2-3 usually isn't that good, cause you want to prioritize slots 3-4, cause they're most often the DPS/stress casters and it's much better to use the regular Throwing dagger to damage one of them instead of using a minus dmg modifier skill which hits a frontline character as well.

[@GentleIceZ]

The thing the Grave Robber is she's a very luck based hero, which Filthy is clearly not a fan of (and to be fair, gets way less viable in the harder difficulties). Her primary strength are things you can't rely on all the time, but they still make her incredibly good, kind of like running a low HP Flagellant

[@RyanTMark]

Sure, but it can still be good in a few random encounters. I was more wondering if a build that doesn't use lunge would be better than risking the grave robber dying, and flashing daggers may be a good option for the open skill slot.

[@Simon-ow6td]

It is amazing to me how angry some people get/appear about his opinions and rankings. It isn't like his word is god, but he is still provably very good at the game so his opinion isn't wrong even if it isn't the only right option always. There are a lot of edge cases and different playthrough situations he doesn’t take into account or weight that much, but as a templet for making it through the game and building generic parties, his core advice is really solid. Think of it like this; if you are good enough at the game to ignore his advice or diverge a lot from it, you don’t really need his advice in the first place. This is for the people who wants help to get a template for evaluating different aspects of the game.

[@Talon323]

Poison dart is an ok ability in the early if you dont have sny other sources of blight

[@RopeDrink]

Not going to lie, it upsets me having GR's branded as weak as they are the first class I selectively look for from the wagon on any new playthrough and always do well with them despite playing 99% torchless from back to front. GR's typically ALWAYS go first -- which often involves a high crit Lunge/T-Dagger and dead backline priorities on round one, moreso if you have more than one GR to clean up. Worst case, they have the backline super weakened and you'll need to endure one round of damage to finish the job. You have a stun for taking care of the front-liners afterwards for recovery, and quite possibly another stun-dealer like a PD or Crusader as a backup to make your healers life easier. On top of that they have great Scouting chance (stacking GR's almost always ensures seeing 75% of the dungeon light up for free), the highest trap disarm (which means free de-stress in buckets, along with their crit chance), and being arguably the most mobile character to have in a comp, complimented by nice anti-stress camping and even more scouting opportunities. I'm not keep on Poison Darts, but it is an option for having them slot into a DoT comp for, say, Flesh or Hag etc. alongside other DoT-classes (Flag/Hound/Hell/PD etc). I use the exact same ability setup as you described (and have done since DD first began). I won't deny they were a LOT stronger when Pitch Black increased character crit chance (making them self-maintain their stress via traps and continuous crits no problem) but even now the only thing that causes any concern when a GR is in my group is if something like a Cove mob crit Seaward Slashes you for 30-40 damage (which, lets face it, is problematic for anything that isn't a tank... Maybe even for tanks). The reason you take the GR is the simple fact that they have options no matter where they are and can even assist in pushing those who don't have said options back where they need to be, without using 'Move', all the while providing great crit, scouting chance, the highest trap disarm in the game, and moderate/high damage to boot, with stuns on the side. I can think of other classes far weaker than that.

[@miroprofile899]

I don't wanna sound like a triggered guy who just likes GR too much and I apologise if I do, as you make very good points that are in fact true and useful. My main point os though that toxin trickery is actually very, very useful as well. The thing is that with the lack of heals comes the need to always go first, so you can choose to add dodge,remove b/b or deal damage. Of course that means you're going on a very high risk/reward situation, and I believe that making risky moves more reliable is the trick.

[@H9O]

Maybe you will tell in another video or something but i think grave robber is good if the team is thought to fit her in. There are some cases when enemies move your units and you don't want your healers to waste actions changing positions. Teams with hellions, crusaders, grave robbers and some more can change positions and move them back outside their turn. Anyway, what a waste the toxic dart.

[@Ratt611]

So I read somewhere that GR gets a hidden scout bonus when in rank 1. Is this true? Also does she get a bonus when interacting with grave type curios? I've always wondered this.

[@ddddoom]

A grave robber with a dodge trinket and a man at arms that buffs dodge makes her extremely difficult for the enemy to hit. If she uses shadow fade to stun an enemy and buff her dodge even more she will evade 90% of the attacks thrown at her guaranteed. This tactic does take a turn to set up, but in the long run it prevents more damage than almost any other party composition. I really hate the weald and the only party that i bring in there (especially on champion level dungeons) must have a grave robber and a fourth position man at arms that buffs speed and dodge with a dodge heavy party. It trivialises those dungeons and makes me smile every time a giant whiffs a treebranch smackdown which happens consistently. The only limiting factor is her health, but with over 100 dodge, and you get that quite easily and fast with her, that scary crit that puts her on low health will never come, or if it does (and eventually it will, its just statistics) she will 9 times out of 10 evade the killing blow.

[@BesorgterSimsSpieler]

Isnt her dot useful for fighting bosses?

[@161patox]

Kind of, most of the time you rather do flat damage, only boss i think dots are really useful is against the flesh, plague doctor, jester and aoe dot the fuck out of him.

[@StormTG315]

You would probably get more damage out of just chucking daggers at it. I suppose if its a multi-attack boss then it might be good, but there are better bleeds if that's the strategy you're going for.

[@nxtboy96]

At early levels, I think it is. Later on though, the blight is a max of 15 dmg, plus one or two extra maybe for the application. Not only can her thrown dagger usually do more damage, it's also more reliable since you don't have to roll against your enemy's blight resist. To clarify, it's never quite useless, it just doesn't fit in very well, and is rarely quite optimal late game.

[@Erikjust]

Maybe i need to go over it again, but i can´t hear what artifacts you would recommend for them.

[@luciandude24862]

Ever think about doing an update on these videos?

[@EDGE94]

Again viable information for the community and the patch devs as well. Keep up the good work. (y)

[@overlord3471]

Her blight is to counter hight protection enemies, its obvious.

[@Ratt611]

Dam filthy dumpstered my favorite class. Smh still my waifu. I tend to take classes I like thematically anyways. Probably why I never am able to beat this game before rage quitting from a party wipe.

[@arisps17]

Poison darts and grave robber itemization is okey if you play her in position 4. The hero plays very well with certain classes. U can use thrown dagger with a mark team. Poison darts with abomination and plague doctor and flashing daggers with jester and other bleeders.

[@mbalazs3544]

thank you for this video was very useful

[@andreatarmassia]

my favourite class

[@everinghall8622]

Plague doctor grave robber and jester, sounds weird but you have 3 high damage air characters and you can use the resistence debuts to deal with the tanks (the things you want to use blight/bleed on, the high prot targets) also tend to have high resistances too. So it makes a viable strategy when you have a good front line stunner. While not as effective as other groups at clearing normal dingeons, it's pretty good for handling bosses. When you have a party that can stack 40 combined blight/bleed per turn on a multi turn per found boss. You can spend the rest of the fight staying alive and countering each bosses stupid shenanigans (witch's pot, prophets retarded magic boulders, sirens ally stealing scumbaggery.) I personally find she fits best into a boss slaying party and she has a really strong role in that, given she can quickly annihilate secondary targets or even the tools the boss is using. Just don't take her and the hellion in the same party against the siren, my hellion crit my entire party with breakthrough and dealt about 25 damage to all of us O,o

[@moorhs_]

Maybe make the disclaimer a text image(s) at the start?

[@KorisnikBr1]

if this guy was dev of darkest dungeon it would suck so much.

[@ajbaker1213]

the low hp isnt viable on any characters in high difficulty + her high speed is a curse more than a blessing for the bleed/blight damage on deaths door

[@iCarb0n]

you share my sentiments on poison darts, to a tee.

[@dimebag5884]

too not to

[@thatdudeinthecotton]

Nope, it is in fact "to", Examples: Up to no good / going to the party. Or you can just google up to vs up too and see which has a dictionary entry.

[@LadyLynxes]

I cognitively make the choice to favor graverobbers over other dps, knowing she's a few percentage points worse then others. She has my favorite aesthetic of all the classes and I'll sacrifice some min max to bring her along.

[@MersinVA]

How Good is the Grave Robber? She's fucking the best!! :

[@SilverusX]

After you finished the videos for the classes could you do a video about the best items for every class and the best combos for a party? :)

[@justins5689]

I assume they gave poison dart so that her extra damage isn't reliant on other people

[@clockti1182]

Prettttyyyyyy good

[@Andi-zg8po]

So what IS good besides the flagelant?

[@Xoneris]

I really like the Grave Robber, but i think currently the Highwayman is basically a better version of the Grave Robber.

[@HeyItzMeDawg]

More like Grave Robber is a better Highwayman. She can DPS just as well and also dodge tank when you're recovering hp/stress.

[@Berry_Bruiser]

HeyItzMeDawg It depends, if you wanna throat fuck a rank 1 enemy with consistent damage then HWM has her beat seeing as you have the 1st and 3rd rounds for Lunge with Shadow Fade taking the 2nd round with no more chances to Lunge again without wasting a turn/having outside help; where as you have Point Blank Shot and Duelist Advance for as many rounds as you'd like but the downfall is that PBS is a rank 1 attack only.

[@TheHazzer69]

I've just started a new play through and the shambler was the first fight

[@dimebag5884]

You don't have to fight the shambler dummy.

[@TheHazzer69]

dimebag5884 on the old road it popped up instead of the bandit

[@seanbecraft8088]

He should redo this whole series now that all the characters have been changed/ buffed/nerfed.

[@AtreyusNinja]

Thx for Your videos Man

[@borbo23]

Dodge would be more useful if it also reduced the chance to get crit.

[@FilthyRobot]

Yeah, that'd be a cool use of it.