How Good Was Prime Derrick Rose ACTUALLY

[@SOLZandSAGE]

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[@JoJoWoody]

Y'all posted this 1h ago but this says 1d. ⁉️

[@Extra_Muscle1572]

@@JoJoWoodyprob posted a day ago but only made public today

[@TyBrezzy11]

disliked for bad takes and i havent even watched

[@TheProswagonist]

Rose has got to be the most heartbreaking "what if" story to me. Man is a constant professional and to think how injuries totally derailed his career makes you can't help but feel for him.

[@FearsomeVoid]

Maybe there is a parallel universe where he never got injured.

[@death_angel015]

There was a guy in the 90s I wanna say that was supposed to be an elite player but he tragically died in a car crash the day after being drafted. I forgot the name and I could be wrong with the time but that’s another heartbreaking “what if” story

[@Hiesenberg24-7]

This only means you don’t know ball. Guys like grant hill, Tracy McGrady, Shawn Livingston, Brandon Roy, penny hardaway + many more, had way higher upsides than Rose. Rose was great but the nba has always had better ‘what if’

[@erace4658]

Nahh what if lebron went to the warriors for me

[@SackVegasAnime]

I.T really gets me. He needed his athleticism to be in the league. He was already 5’9 overcoming the odds to be an All-Star on a contender to struggling to get on a roster.

[@fabosworld7526]

Comparing '18 VO to Drose is nasty work😭 wha happned to bsolz this hate arc been crazy

[@a.r.t93]

that plus tryna shoot Thibs bail by saying a 12pt lead with 1min left is only easy with hindsight.. T-Mac was NOT on the other side of that court

[@fabosworld7526]

Ik he be trolling but he playing the role of the KZbinrs he used to hate😭

[@emaan3259]

bsolz that dude that thinks he knows ball by looking at a statsheet

[@fabosworld7526]

@@emaan3259 you gotta remember he is just telling l trolling solz know ball frfr

[@saikikusuo7937]

Ngl he kinda cooked w that one…

[@EllieVelli]

All these guards nowadays use dribble moves to pass you… meanwhile D Rose would literally just run by you.

[@Jestylor6]

I once watched John Wall dribble the entire court past multiple defenders in like 3 seconds. It was INSANE...

[@Kidkinsey]

2016 vs the celtics right🤣

[@Jestylor6]

@@Kidkinsey It might've been, I feel like it was the Cavs since that's mostly what I watched but I don't remember who it was against honestly...

[@Kidkinsey]

@@Jestylor6 type is Wall misses game winning layup vs celtics. He's SO fast

[@Jestylor6]

@@Kidkinsey I believe that's it...

[@Jestylor6]

@ramelldion3255 That makes sense...

[@hctterrell]

I think D Rose is vastly overrated by some people and extremely slept on by others, ultimately though considering the circumstances of the Bulls that year he deserved the MVP and was better than 2018 Vic in my opinion

[@WRLdPeAcE96]

He’s not overrated

[@wooiiin7281]

@@WRLdPeAcE96yes he is

[@erace4658]

2018 Vic as in victor olidipo ain’t no way he think Vic over mvp rose

[@sageofcausality173]

​@erace4658 I mean vic push that 18 lebron cavs team to 7 while d rose got bullied by bron over and over,2010 first round cavs vs bulls 4-1 cavs won

[@robertriojas2639]

Thinking he was overrated is mind blowing. Unless you come across people saying he’s better than Jordan ain’t no damn way he’s overrated 💯

[@Kidkinsey]

Rose had really: russ explosiveness, wall speed, kyrie acrobat layups He's honestly underated

[@ericjohnson9136]

He not overrated on this side. Rose was about to do the league dirty. Him getting injured saved A LOOOOOOT of careers honestly.

[@Luke-nn2ux]

@@ericjohnson9136nah that’s facts

[@urbaindelva7869]

Off rip, D-Rose was NOT in his prime when he was named MVP. I think a number of people overlook the fact that his early play style was not built to last. He took ONE bad step, and it was all over from there. If that did not happen in 2012, it probably would've happened later down the line, which arguably would've been worse. Also, I don't think they would've won a championship during the D-Rose era until they replaced Thibodeau and improved their offense, neither of which they ever did. Honestly, 50-pt D-Rose has become more preferable to me because THAT play style would've been WAY more beneficial to him early on. Btw, 2018 Oladipo is more well-rounded than 2011 D-Rose, but not as impactful.

[@machoboys8884]

I mean Russ had a long storied career without any career ending injuries. There’s a reality where rose was fine

[@s0basically3]

your “prime” isn’t your potential it’s when you were at your peak and how long you were able to stay there, so the mvp season was his prime.

[@Rosinronin]

@@machoboys8884still had a fair share of season ending injuries tho so it’s not too far off

[@machoboys8884]

@@Rosinronin yes but no career ending ones. Roses was a freak injury. Russ may have missed 40+ games in a season once but he’s not injury prone

[@HiImRawr]

Lol long ass message saying nothing

[@Disxreet]

Imma need y’all to hop off the D. Rose hate bandwagon please, because Solz is on it 100%.

[@lakernation26]

Nah y’all suck that man off after 1 elite season😭😭😭

[@Allensanor]

Nah D rose MVP year is very overrated Ja is playing against better comp and putting up better numbers than MVP

[@ice8erg]

🤣🤣🤣

[@nikolakrstic8079]

@@Allensanor in a different and faster era tho

[@NewwxNeww]

L

[@dubzillaaaa]

I will never be on board with D-Rose slander. It’s a damn shame God gave someone like me titanium ACLs but someone like D-Rose ACLs made out of scotch tape.

[@sadeugas8037]

If D Rose was born later and played in today’s pace in space style of basketball he would have cooked

[@jxmmykriminallive]

you could say that about most players in nba history it’s an offense oriented league today

[@thebeesknees6896]

With that lack of a jumpshot? I highly doubt that.

[@sadeugas8037]

@@thebeesknees6896 Um, Ja has a D Rose level jumper and is a borderline superstar? They’re similar players but D Rose is bigger and more athletic

[@sageofcausality173]

​@@sadeugas8037ja is bigger and there similar in terms of jumping ability but ja is definitely better at getting posters,also ja jumper is weird looking but it's more consistent than 2011 d rose

[@marcoyolo22]

Rose has the NBA and NFL 40yrd record for combines

[@justc1re617]

John Wall's peak is super underrated

[@CIavis]

I won’t lie Solz i don’t like the disrespect you’re putting on my man Rose. You watched Bulls vs Celtics game 6 2009 😭.

[@mygunk4773]

*If you wanna see some rare crossover clips of D Rose look up: INCLUDES NEVER BEFORE SEEN CLIPS Derrick Rose Crossover Highlights (2010-2011 MVP) PT 2.* There's a lot of clips that you don't see anywhere else on KZbin.

[@death_angel015]

I got into sports heavy in 2012 and D. Rose was one of my favorite players

[@voss9933]

also gotta consider how jimmy butler’s progression might have changed with a healthy drose

[@TSO_Sage]

He’s Him.

[@imsosrious]

You’re Him Sage❤️🥰

[@drakevick1646]

Oh boy, here we go with the Oladipo troll 😂

[@chriswrld9991]

Bsolz mustache and eyebrows are identical

[@fabosworld7526]

😭😭😭😭

[@tylerjacobs6373]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tamsuskaralius835]

2014 Bulls would get dicked down by the 2014 Spurs in that hypothetical. If the injury bug still get the cavs, maybe they make the finals but even then, it might be a 7 game warriros win.

[@jayministry5643]

I’m ngl even at the time it was still confusing why rose was still in; nowadays sure 12 pts in 1 min isn’t a guaranteed dub but in 2012? Especially Philly? Respectfully no one at the time thought Philly could comeback in a min I just thought Tom wanted his guys to stat pad or sum.

[@christianjohnson2918]

3:37 what am I watching? 😂 that was a jump scare!

[@TreTheJoker]

One of my favorite players. DRose is my guy through it all

[@kingdot9287]

Sage ain’t never had his own opinions

[@ToBeHonestWitchu]

They say 2011 d rose for a reason. It was one year and mfs act like he’s the second coming of jesus himself.

[@er7776]

He was almost as good in 2012. Also his seasons before the mvp were impressive. He wasnt even in his prime when he won mvp. People give him that hype because he was a what if with a proven track record.

[@Disxreet]

Nigga. He was what 22?

[@Abbad1579]

@@er7776 Rose was way worse in 2012 and the bulls went 18-8 without Rose in 2012

[@ToBeHonestWitchu]

@@Disxreetok and? What does that have to do with what my point was?

[@ToBeHonestWitchu]

@@er7776sure, but people still put him in conversations he doesn’t belong in because of that ‘what if’

[@twizzyggwp]

im ngl windy city assassin is the coldest nickname fr

[@aJAGGZproduction]

the unevenness of the du rag was causing serious harm to my mental

[@yagnn]

solz trolling about it really made me appreciate 2018 Oladipo more

[@willofzee5488]

The idea that you need to be an advanced stat reader to debate basketball is wild

[@loushendrikyung5546]

Oh my goodness personality in an advertisement unforseen

[@BBWatson100]

Hold up is that a Birlliant ad drop..i see yall

[@theinktician]

When Solz asked the question at the start. i was dumbstruck - not offended, but the audacity to say "was he better than 2018 Oladipo" is egregious. But when you look at how good Oladipo was, his efficiency, and his defense - his ability to distribute the ball as a SG. After some thinking, it's not nearly as bad a question as I thought. The guy was a few FTs from a 50/40/90 season too. Oladipo was on his way man. Mightve been career robbed just as hard too...

[@X02Overdose]

2018 Oladipo had already been in the league longer than 2011 Rose. He was playing in a faster paced game and still didn’t quite average the numbers Rose did either lol

[@justc1re617]

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[@AlphaGamingClubOfficial]

Bros disrespect for wrasslin gone make me beat his ass pal😂

[@xanatrue5387]

The thing with russ wall and rose athleticism is that wall and rose were a bit more smooth or controlled, but russ just straight up ran into, ar and over anyone. Hes probably the best raw athlete cause I think he's clearly the strongest, but russ and wall are both more agile and coordinated so it depends on what you classify, like sage said

[@Gerald3035]

Sage acknowledging the tribal chief ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

[@Wetrockstah2116]

Ima say this, if you go back and watch d rose play before his injuries and if you think he isn't 1 of the best players to ever play in the NBA i pray for you fam. You either are blind, deaf, or just plain crazy. Drose was something we never seen in terms of his quickness, explosiveness, and just overall ability to ball. You can look at guys like john wall, Russell Westbrook, ja marant ect, aint none of them got sh** on drose back when he was on the bulls. Drose was different, and had he never suffered that injury he woulda won a championship or two and dethroned Miami. He almost done it anyway.

[@mylesguy7070]

0:32 😂😂 sages’s reaction was mine

[@jeroam23]

But Himmy Buckets questioned Rose work ethics after he won his first and only MVP so....🤷‍♂️ but if the injury did not happen, who knows what kind of career he has now. Maybe still top 5 or 10 in the current league. Biggest What If in NBA.

[@a6ndre]

I knew I like sage more for some reason and this video is why

[@Recurses]

Definitely not beating the spurs

[@marcwilliams3692]

People forget d-rose and curry are the same age

[@siredward333]

bsolz gotta think, they were UP 12 w 1MIN in 2012 offenses were not going off for 48sec 9-0 runs back then game was had..

[@Autism_Obama]

Derrick Rose Offense was his Defense

[@NateMcCoy1194]

Aye Solz you’ve been doing this heel thing a while now. Not too much on Rose bro. I keep trying to take it as satire but you playing the role too well

[@ErikEch7]

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[@Darth5366]

Bro we learned mean medium mode is a 7th grade lesson bro 😭

[@keenanreiss6985]

Top 30 players ever by Johnny Arnett is something u should react to

[@MeraGoated]

Nahh I feel it sage, that’s real. Injuries are inevitable in the league, so the least you can do, as a player, is work on your craft so the injuries don’t hinder the rest of your career 14:33

[@LUCKIPUP]

d rose still somewhat young if that mf gets that stem cell stimmy and recovers from it well his knee can be stronger than it ever was before

[@chasemanley957]

Dearon fox in pure speed is out doing russ

[@hz8427]

I’ve had to by default not like drose my friends think that if he never was injuried he’d be better than Steph which would make him borderline top 10 all time 😭

[@Kidkinsey]

Imo for wall russ rose Wall is the fastest end to end Russ is the most explosive jumper Rose is the most agile and has the best body control

[@superxavxii421]

That was a good ad ngl.

[@zoominnboomin]

MJ is the most explosive guard in NBA history bar none. D Rose is up there though.

[@JacqueFinito]

Videos like these really make me think we overlook how incredible of a recovery and development Paul George really had. Think about that, going from 1VS1 heatles LBJ to one of the most horrific snaps and yes ‘playoff p’ did serve great chuckles but how he’s transitioned back needs to be shared for all to learn from.

[@simple45679]

Pretty crazy how he transitioned from a tpptier slasher to a top tier finesse player. Bro leg literally snapped in half and clawed back into being a star.

[@tobiaskent6939]

D Roses' injuries were his careers defence 😔

[@NightSiggy]

I still remember watching UCLA Russ and my dad turned to me and was like this dude would be a HoF WR in the NFL. He is the most athletic easily. Wall is the fastest and an elite athlete but I think he's 4 and Rose is 3 but Morant gotta be 2

[@fbiopenup6534]

Did he ever average a triple double tho?

[@SM-zg8mi]

Nah but his offence in his MVP season was his offence

[@jonathansykes4986]

Derrick Rose in his MVP was: 10th in WS/48 with 0.208 9th in PER with 23.5 5th in WS with 13.1 T-2nd in VORP with 6.7 3rd in BPM with 6.8 along with USG of 32.2% (2nd in league) Victor Oladipo in 2017-18 35th in WS/48 with 0.155 17th in PER with 23.1 24th in WS with 8.2 10th in VORP with 5.0 12th in BPM with 5.8 with USG% of 30.1 (14th in league). So.. nah, VO wasn't even a top 10 player at his peak. Let alone anywhere close to "MVP" D-Rose.

[@tyschubert3711]

Prime D Rose is the best PG ever!

[@dsgcleach_25]

Okay so let’s talk cause I feel like what Drose did was special (AT THE TIME). The thing I hate the most is when we do the comparison game but I understand why we do it but mfs gotta understand the game changes over time we compare Ja but look how the game was played then compared to now interior bigs were a thing around that time, look at the bigs now if we are doing the comparison game also one thing that gets over shadowed that Rose did was going against the Reigning Champs(Celtics) and tied Kareem’s record for most points scored by a Rookie debuting in the playoffs (36pts first ever playoff game) let that sink in cause when Luka did the same thing the world was on fire but I reiterate this is why I hate the comparison game we can legit talk about everything back then cause they will compare the comp now Vs then but back then u had a PRIME BRON PRIME MELO PRIME CP3 Kobe just came off a ship that same year and the list continues. Overall all I’m saying is yes the game is probably better now but don’t overshadow what was going on around that time he’s a underrated MVP (IMO) cause we didn’t see his Prime because of his injuries. So with that being said don’t diminish what he did cause u see his numbers Vs players numbers now we are in a different era.

[@canadadry4609]

That was one of the greatest teams of all time in the spurs. They smoking the bulls... lol

[@504branden]

Up 12 with a minute left pre-Steph Curry blowing up is definitely a safe lead lol

[@coopertodd28]

Imagine if we saw this guys real prime. DROSE is a goat in his own way and everybody knows, when you demand PEAK Lebron James Atenntion at 22, you’re on to something

[@UnholyChurchboy]

I think part of athleticism is durability. Not only is it important to be able to jump high, but also doing it over and over for a long period. While d rose broke down in 2012 after 5 years, Russ played every possible game and is STILL seen as an iron man. Knowing that he gave it 110% every single game, it's honestly impressive that Russ's lowest games played in a season is 46 due to a freak injury and hasn't missed too many games in 16 years. While both were physical freaks in their peak, durability is why I give the "most athletic guard" title to westbrook.

[@wtegna]

Russ is the most explosive guard to ever play and rose is second. Look at all the ingredients of athleticism, (speed, strength, agility, stamina/motor, first step , vertical , etc , etc. russ is first in 4 out of 6 of them. He is the most athletic point guard to ever play in this league. On top of that he’s done it longer than rose and wall who were also in competition of most athletic in the league. Ja has the virtical , rose the agility and the rest is Russ. It’s not hard folks Russ is the best athlete at the pg position. Dude literally collides with 7 footers and they bounce of him😂, dude is never tired , dude dunks over 7 footers. I don’t need to say anything about the first step cuz we all know.

[@wtegna]

@@Huh-it1tz body control we can look at it 2 ways. Russ body control is elite and so is rose. One is better at manoeuvring the ball mid air to finish (rose) though I think kyrie is actually the best, the other is the strength to take hits and bodies leaning/flying at u and still and being able to finish (russ/wall). I get your point though. It’s definitely debatable. Buh first step , there’s no one else but russ every game u see glimpses of it. In his prime every move was just to quick to guard. Russ 1 , rose2 . Third is debatable between wall fox

[@isaiahmouton8485]

17:44 gotta mention dwade

[@tylerbernstein1987]

There’s no way you just compared prime mvp Derrick rose to prime victor oladipo prime victor oladipo was special he was nothing close to Derrick rose

[@Starbuckspod]

Sage is back?

[@dlo615]

Some of the people commenting was 5 when he was mvp

[@chrisptophu]

Say what you want, still one of the biggest what if’s if he was healthy

[@snippetsonly1453]

6:51sage that was nasty of u “ og smurkio “ and Naa u was serious

[@ededdandeddy162]

Great example of doing it right is PG imo

[@LUCKIPUP]

aye send that man to cancun or vegas unironically and drose gets some stem cells shot in his knees 👀 ayo prime drose might be back

[@javonjt16]

solz needs to be stopped dawg no way he started off like dat

[@Slz_dog]

ay tmac is bradley beal wit a mixtape

[@Oscar-b5b4x]

Is solz’s eye ok? He keeps rubbing it

[@kjatuatasi6176]

TLDW: Yes he’s better than ‘18 Oladipo. I would take D rose before Oladipo any day of the week

[@lil_splxtt3287]

The mvp should jus be the prediction on who gets finals mvp tbh

[@Disxreet]

It’s a regular season award Nigga.

[@taishaunholloway9352]

So why solz say end of solz & sage on lkiab sage left came back same episode in akausti robe and huh nigga what?

[@marleymarsss]

Up 12 with a minute left….it’s over. Is Solz deadass??? Why he hate DRose??

[@yurcarti6481]

1:19 your just angry a young bulls team took your celticskkk to seven games 😂

[@xenolean]

most entertaining ad

[@bagboygino]

The fact drose as a young player had people faking sick to not play him is enough validation please respect the rose 🌹

[@tyschubert3711]

no wonder this vid only has 3k likes. yall wack

[@ImAviex]

Honestly, I don't think D Rose sitting in that game suddenly means he isn't injury prone, I mean he played in a way that put tons of pressure on his knees and body. He was going to get injured whether Thibs sat him or not.

[@simple45679]

Rose needed a better trainer yeah. The way he would always land is ugly, it was an injury waiting to happen. Wish the best for Ja, but his landings remind me of what Rose was doing

[@PrezelBag]

Russ>>>>>>>>drose

[@alexanderi2020]

Couldn't disagree more, they ain't beating the spurs in 2014 or the warriors in 2015. If rose never got hurt his career would be like demar derozan's

[@Kanye_east2000]

Aye not to much on derrick rose

[@FearsomeVoid]

Was MVP Rose better than 2011 Luka?

[@goddammitnappa1617]

considering that luka was in elementary school at point in time, yeah probably

[@FearsomeVoid]

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[@dajohnrondo]

Solz that was a L take makes me think you didn't watch him play

[@trentarellano3442]

Hey I think the 2015 year might be a solid argument to make bc that year they took the cavs to 6 and nearly went up 3-1 on them if Bron didn’t hit the game winner, if they had a prime D rose who knows what would of happen

[@dajohnrondo]

He won the mvp not even in his prime

[@ronnypooky]

biggest what if in NBA history. i wish he adopted his playstyle when he dropped 50 much earlier on in his career; he relied too much on his athleticism, and it screwed him over... he was bound to hurt himself eventually

[@claudiopereira8427]

MvP D 🌹 🙌🏽✊🏽🙏🏽

[@FGBduck6]

Ppl love to hate on drose. Dude won mvp his 3rd season leading his team at a young age. Him and the bulls took defending champ Celtics to 7 games. And the era was slightly different. Numbers arent as inflated as they are now. Defense is less prevalent now also. Rose wasnt near his prime or peak yet and he achieved what he did. Mfs needa get off his 🥜

[@lakernation26]

No y’all ride his fucking nuts. Y’all niggaz ride this man off of his first 3 years and still talk about it 12-13 years later. I’ve never seen somebody get credit for one great season as much as rose does

[@JohnSmith-uw4jp]

Still overrated sadly

[@FGBduck6]

@@JohnSmith-uw4jp from what u see. Rose is properly rated. As a bulls fan myself, most bulls fans place him where he should be. Most of the overrating u may see is from other fans. I personally feel he's underrated and overrated at the same time. And bcuz hes a what if player, ppl flip flop with his rating.

[@IllMatic97]

​@@FGBduck6 Rose shouldn't have won that mvp

[@FGBduck6]

@@IllMatic97 he should have tho. He Earned it. Lead his team to the best record in the league

[@a6ndre]

Solz a hater fr😂 he disagrees and then offers no players as a rebuttal

[@bmoreraven4103]

Stop saying a prime the man never had one he was injured we never saw D.Rose at 27-32 healthy when his mind caught up to his body but he was definitely a you had to be there kinda thing and he was the most acrobatic finisher ever not the best but most acrobatic EVERRRRRRRRR

[@tuckermcnair6794]

Thts D Rose Rose petal commercial always gives me chills. Love the guy and his story. Sad he had injuries