How GOOD were Seadra & Kingdra ACTUALLY? - History of Seadra & Kingdra in Competitive Pokemon

SEADRA & KINGDRA! The evolutions of Horsea and the solo water type turned dragon type! Did the dragon scale actually help Seadra ascend after evolving? Join False Swipe Gaming on this brief overview of competitive Seadra & Kingdra competitive Pokemon!
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
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[@doggo8373]

Hearing Kingdra getting stopped by Mega Charizard X, Mega Altaria, and Mega Gyarados makes me want a Mega Kingdra

[@hosni4064]

If that happens, I'd also love to see a Mega Dragalge

[@nuclearpzn]

Eian Guevarra I've always loved seahorse Pokémon and I would kill to have a Mega Kingdra. I want stats something like this: HP: 85 Attack: 130 Defense: 120 Special Attack: 130 Special Defense: 120 Speed: 115

[@deandregreene2587]

Though he's comparing it to three megas, which is pretty unfair of him.

[@andresmarrero8666]

Nuclear PZN want to add in a new ability that automatically brings whirlpool into effect?

[@snekladyrobin]

@@nuclearpzn you went over the 100+ stat limit

[@jeff4118]

You realize that Kingdra was the main reason the ban was even enacted, and the main reason Drizzle was even nerfed in gen 6? Kingdra is a fucking god in gen 5.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

it WAS a fucking god for about 2 seconds before the ban.

[@Parv_69k]

You can also sort of say that fairy was introduced to nerf kingdra and palkia coz they have no weakness other than other dragons like them

[@loudwhispre9406]

@@Parv_69k Fairy type was actually introduced to tale the "Drag" out of DragMag. Between Garchomp, Salamence, Hydreigon, Latias, Latios, and Kingdra, having a team of 3 or more dragons was too overwhelming since Dragon type attacks hit everything neutrally, except Steel, which resists it. That's where Magnet Pull Magnezone came in. Trapping opposing steels and killing them would remove the only counter to Dragon spam. Fairy was introduced to give an immunity to Dragon that was balanced by its weakness to Steel that wasn't trapped by Magnet Pull.

[@LegendaryCaptain]

@@loudwhispre9406 also not to mention most dragon types can learn fire or ground moves to counter steel types

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Juan's Kingdra and Clair's Kingdra are pretty hard to defeat in their respective games: Each of them has a move that it can use over and over to make it untouchable.

[@kameron1290]

They’re both are really a pain in the ass indeed. Well designed move pool, ability that boosted its power (kill that Whishcash before it set up rain dance or hope that RNG doesn’t give Clair’s crit), and the simple fact that in Emerald, Flygon and Altria are quadruple weak to ice and in HGSS, Dragonair (from game corner) or your own Kingdra will melt to Dragon Pulse. I do feel like the difficulty for Clair’s is compounded by how terrible the level curve is in the game.

[@sakuraflares7054]

@@kameron1290 My most recent HG playthrough she caught me off guard as I was also cocky with a Lv45 Nidoran (thought i was gonna Horn Drill her for the LoLz), 40ish Butterfree, Misdreavus, Dewgong and Togetic on my team🤣 Type of teams you make when youve been playing the game forever but she wasnt having any of the shenaigans so i had to brute force it with Miltank🐮

[@Spanishdog17]

Clair’s Kindra is even more annoying in Pokemon Stadium 2 since you (usually) are only stuck with terrible rentals.

[@frenzy531]

An interesting tech in Gen 5 was to run Kingdra on sun. This allowed you to abuse an enemy's rain and void the SS + Drizzle ban. It was rather situational though.

[@sakuraflares7054]

Ah, gen 5. When weather was so ubiquitous that ish like this actually made sense more often than not. Personally I was dragmag+fighting spam because I kind of don't like using weather that much

[@terrencej18]

Thank you thank you. Been waiting for Kingdra

[@CockroachMunchingKrabbyPatty]

I'm so glad I'm able to watch content like this on KZbin, even though it has such a niche audience. Thanks for the content my dude.

[@trumanshellman7091]

I couldn't have put it better.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@trumanshellman7091 it's a very simple way of putting it.

[@wedding2710]

@@chungaplea3323 He didn't say it should be extended, or that it being simple is a bad thing

[@chungaplea3323]

yeah i jumped to conclusions a little. sorry guys! (truman shellman is my alt of sorts)

[@alimirza4608]

After 5 years its crazy how much of an audience he has gained

[@WayOfTheHawk219]

Claire's Kingdra was a NIGHTMARE for me when I was a kid. Man....

[@stump4522]

I only beat Kingdra with Red Gyarados Dragon Rage spam 😂

[@spaceangelmewtwo9074]

How good would a move that is every single type be ACTUALLY? Edit: Actually, I'll answer this myself, because now I'm legitimately interested. It's a really complicated question, and you would assume such a move would be OP, but would it be really? For starters, such a move would be totally walled out by Normal, Ghost, Ground, Flying, Dark, Steel, and Fairy types, as well as Pokemon with the abilities Levitate, Lightning Rod, Water Absorb, Flash Fire, Dry Skin, Justified, Motor Drive, Sap Sipper, Storm Drain, and Volt Absorb. That list contains a TON of Pokemon, so not off to a great start. Here is a list of the rest of the type weaknesses and resistances. Basically, if a type has more weaknesses than resistances, it will be super effective. If it has more resistances than weaknesses, it will be not very effective. Including immunities again just to have them comparable to overall super-effectiveness at a glance. Immune: Normal, Flying, Ground, Ghost, Steel, Dark, Fairy 1/8: Fire 1/4: Poison, Water, Electric 1/2: Dragon Neutral: Fighting, Bug 2x: Rock, Grass, Psychic 8x: Ice Overall, two neutrally hit types, four types that are hit super effectively, although the rare Ice type is the only type that is hit harder than normal. Dragons resist, while four other types are even more resistant than normal, especially Fire types, which would shrug off hits with ease. And of course you've got the *seven immunities.* Yikes. Just about the only thing that saves this from being utterly terrible is the fact that this move would get double-STAB on a dual type Pokemon, meaning it hits twice as hard as it's stated power. In this instance, the chart becomes this: 1/4: Fire 1/2: Poison, Water, Electric Neutral: Dragon 2x: Fighting, Bug 4x: Rock, Grass, Psychic 16x: Ice Since we've still got seven types that resist, meaning to total number of types that "resist" is still 11 compared to 6 types hit super effectively with one neutral hit, overall the resistances definitely win out, and more often than not, the move will be not very effective. Ice and Rock types have become fairly rare and grass isn't very prominent, so awesome. You can hit Psychic types for 4x effectiveness, but that's the only common OU type you hit extra hard. And most of the common OU types are immune to your hits. You'd be better off using a monotype move. Unless you are an Arceus that is every type at once firing off effective base 147790 power Judgements. Seven types are immune to you, but you'd smite everything else.

[@Hanesboi]

I had really never thought of the immunities part of a move, underrated comment.

[@andrescervantes2417]

I’m pretty late but you need more likes for all the work you put into this

[@werh227]

Poor ice type

[@Opdi67]

Lmfao this is amazing. Ice gets screwed as always

[@just_an_ordinary_being]

@@Opdi67 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheTetsuHai]

I think Kingdra deserves a 5-10base stat buff in Atk, SpA, and Speed, such an awesome pokemon.

[@muzammilibrahim5011]

Nah it just need a better stat distribution. 95/105/75/105/75/85 instead of 75/95/95/95/95/85

[@24xv555]

@@muzammilibrahim5011if only bro

[@Arjmm]

​​@@muzammilibrahim501190/110/75/110/75/80 is significantly better BST distribution

[@TheUltimateRey]

Kingdra is my favorite water type Pokemon hands down, if I had to choose a starter in Kanto I would choose a horsea just to raise it up into a Kingdra

[@TheUltimateRey]

ps. you earned yourself a subscriber lol

[@ASNS117Zero]

How would you evolve it? It's a trade evolution. Seems kind of crappy for a starter to have to be traded to evolve.

[@atteranenforcer5263]

ASNS117Zero Hm. Wonder if future games could do alternate methods to evolve trade Pokemon...for those with no friends like me. XD

[@Acrum99]

@@Skellotronix Ohh, seems really interesting. Where could someone possibly find that, if I may ask?

[@Jolty1021]

Kingdra is from johto

[@Iinneus]

I didn't even THINK about Seadra and Kingdra... The Patrons know what's up. Anyway, I vote for, uhhhhh... Murkrow and Honchkrow. also when are we gettin' an eeveelution megaseries rivaling the three-part legendary bird trio

[@chandelureftw989]

Murkrow and Honchkrow play differently, murkrow is bulky with prankster, meanwhile honchkrow is a sweeper

[@jaschabull2365]

The legendary birds were reviewed earlier on, in case you didn't discover that yourself. Yeah, I suspect False Swipe is dreading the mountain that is the eevee family.

[@westglee]

I'm thinking he had watched the legendary bird series, hence asking for a megaseries rivaling that one

[@acemerceramv8561]

Chandelure FTW "Bulky"

[@AlphaladZXA]

Did murkrow line

[@ShamblesTCG]

"with moves like that, it reminds me of Blastoise" shots fired

[@donttrustnoone3921]

Blastoise now, with Shell Smash: I BEG YOUR PARDON?

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

@@donttrustnoone3921 Blastoise's movepool in gen 1 was terribly shallow

[@Zorroark]

I'd really like to see another "History of Types" video with either Electric, Dark or Normal types.

[@zeusraptis5834]

Sniper+ hydro pump + focus energy= water god

[@dtexdarkus]

Rain + Swift Swim + Focus Energy + Draco Meteor + Hydro Pump = Spammable nuke machine

[@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions]

@@dtexdarkus you can also add Hurricane to that list now thanks to it being able to learn it in Gen 8~

[@dino91001]

that sounds like too much work tho. especially with hydro pump having mediocre accuracy

[@jip0611]

Intelleon also has a sniper + focus energy But, it has snipe shot, which make its hits about 80% crit It also uses air slash and ice beam. But it sucks against Rotom Wash and ferrothorn

[@snarls3760]

@@jip0611he could have been better if hidden power existed it could have given him the covrege he needed

[@PittsburghSonido]

I love Kingdra. Not just for competitive play but regular playthru. Kingdras design in gen2 was so intense and reminds me of how much I love pokemon. Remember that mysterious feeling you got when playing gold/silver when you were younger? I feel it all the time when I use my Kingdra.

[@santasangre996]

yeah those games had a very strange, mysterious atmosphere

[@Tyler-fm1ke]

Try cloyster. He has been heard in every water type vid yet i dont see a vid on him

[@balloonperson1115]

A large No.9 -skill link -shell smash -icicle spear -rock blast -rapid spin That's pretty much it

[@somepony13]

Balloon Person That's odd. I didn't think Skill Link existed in Gen 1-4.

[@NunsHaveNoFun_]

Balloon Person it also gets toxic spikes. I believe there was a viable Uber set at one point as well.

[@mrgaudy1954]

are you big smoke ?

[@AlphaladZXA]

He did it

[@coltonjohnson6789]

How GOOD was Forretress ACTUALLY?

[@Nosretep]

Colton Johnson Slap it with a Forest Cures,Skill Swap Fluffy,Drought,Blaze Ability active and Inferno Overdrive that bitch into complete road kill.

[@sosams]

Colton Johnson A physical wall in basically every generations, along with Skarmory.

[@MrSolomonGaming]

He was a decent wall. When Sturdy got buffed he got a nice upgrade which really helped with the abundance of Fighting and Fires in Gen 5. I'm sure even in Gen 6 he'd be good.

[@xgxwills2857]

Colton Johnson good at hazard stacking and spinning but that’s about it

[@trevoradair8881]

I can validate this claim because I have faced against this kind of Forretress before. My opponent didn't even switch out that battle

[@lookslikeLink]

Can't wait for Steelix! My favorit Pokémon of all time. But ... I can imagine that it isn't so good for competitive. ^^' Maybe I will be surprised?

[@Grima1805]

Schön dich hier zu sehen

[@dynamic8192]

It's done!

[@harryfisher1272]

Dude this is an awesome series I can tell you have done alot of research

[@kenbobay]

Do the ultimate fall from greatness. Wobuffet.

[@adnan34chowdhary]

isthistakenaswell he actually did it

[@X-V1L3]

\(>_

[@stevenmattrell3448]

*How GOOD was Poliwrath ACTUALLY?* I will NEVER give up

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

It was not that great

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

And fsg said Machamp was viable and some fighting types were shoved to the wayside, Poliwrath was viable not Machamp

[@stevenmattrell3448]

@@yaboidragonitehere1137 That and Poliwrath doesn’t exactly have a good move pool from what I remember. Thankfully it gets much better in SwSh

[@The_PokeSaurus]

How GOOD was "THE ROCK" type ACTUALLY?

[@maniakb416]

Im so glad you covered the Sniper set in VGC gen 6. I ran one online to mess with people and it was one of my favorite sets.

[@thomaswest2583]

They need to give Kingdra a mega evolution it definitely deserves one.

[@robbyriver5638]

How GOOD was Dugtrio ACTUALLY?

[@Gumfondle]

How good was Golem ACTUALLY?

[@ewkak.8470]

Gumfondle he was bad I mean he's a rock or was he?

[@galactic1555]

Gumfondle Really bad past gen 1. Even a cool new Alolan form couldn't save it.

[@rhydonphilip]

Simalar to rhydon, good in gen 1 and BL in gen 2/3. Unlike Rhydon golem had acces to Explosion to keep it floating in smogon UU for gen 4. For gen 5/6/7, the thing literally is bottom viability only showing viability in NU for gen 5, PU in gen 6 and low viability in PU for current gen 7. For doubles formatting the mon was unviable since gen 5. Even worse is that Custap Berry is unreleased for current gen 7 and they somehow made an alolan version worse then golem only having a gimmick with galvanized Explosion.

[@SuperGuldo]

cool new alolan form? alolan golem is the ugliest shit ever gen7 shit tier design

[@Gardetrace]

Gumfondle That's what I've been trying to find out for months.

[@phillipdimaggio1821]

I love your humor. This channel is so entertaining

[@thephantomist7199]

Great video as always, after Steelix, I think it's Magneton/Magnezones time to shine!

[@RockruffRuinsGames]

How good was Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon actually?

[@Nosretep]

Vaporeon and Jolteon. Good. Flareon is a complete disgrace to all evolved Fire Types.

[@voltingmaster5458]

Coincidentally Raikou and Suicune were awesome, But Entei was mediocre.

[@RockruffRuinsGames]

Fire Dancer Kiawe as in looks or competitive? Competitive yea it’s sucks, looks tho it’s baeee

[@edchanful]

RapidRockruff jolteon vaporeon are awesome!!! Flareon mmeehhh bad n sucks!!!

[@mrbilter83]

+espeon and umbreon

[@andrewwharmby5199]

How good was Tentacruel ??!!

[@sprazz8668]

"Though I hear it's great in gen 7 singles" I was about to say lol.

[@mustafazubair5290]

On the way to 100k man keep it up FSG

[@francis2728]

Finally finally I’ve been waiting

[@acemerceramv8561]

WHERE'S MY MAGNETON/ZONE?!

[@soap93160]

So happy this came out since I just got a Kingdra in Pokemon Gold Virtual Console for the first time mere hours ago.

[@hanzohattori1196]

CritDra needs a speed boosting nature to hit first after setting up Focus Energy, and use Agility when you predict a status move from your opponent. Used well, CritDra can do a lot of damage.

[@angelm2755]

Kingdra is my favorite Pokémon of all time. Love it’s power in the rain. For the next Pokémon after steelix I wouldn’t mind seeing ursafing, or gligar/gliscor

[@Onion_57]

Please do Cloyster.

[@felixlee9645]

Antonio Morales or empoleon/tentacruel/vaporeon

[@plbster]

WE ALL DIE

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

Cloyster only good with Shell Smash + Icicle Spear

[@avvvqvvv99]

Cloyster is one of the best every gen.

[@playaskirbyandwin267]

Avvv Qvvv except gen 4.

[@octosquidy4759]

when you guys decide there's a good reason to mention gen 7 in these videos, a brief catch-up video on all the other guys we've seen in videos that haven't gotten a gen 7 mention would be fabulous ;D Great vid as always!

[@Fiona1020_]

I used a Kingdra alongside a Metagross and a Volcarona to win the champion's tournament in the PWT in White 2, it was really fun to use and it really really grew on me over that experience

[@DeityDiz1080]

Despite being a Patreon pick, this was a video I was definitely hoping to see at some point anyways; Kingdra is awesome!

[@BioniclesaurKing4t2]

"I told you to watch out for Kingdra's changes, well here comes potentially the biggest one…" A mid-roll ad.

[@terrencedaniels6619]

I like the work you did for the video

[@the-renegade]

Dude, I want to see part 3 of the Gen 1 mechanics! Recognize that!

[@TheUnknownOtaku]

How GOOD are the patreonts(Is that the plural form of people that donate to patreon?) ACTUALLY? Let's see how good their picks are.

[@jevans7125]

.

[@substitutedoll5224]

their picks are all shitty

[@jamestrotman3238]

The Unknown Otaku id love this xD

[@rhysofsneezingdragon1758]

The Unknown Otaku borderline 1

[@bigshrub45]

It's patrons

[@toxicperson8936]

One of my all time favorites, as well as one of the best examples of how to add an evolution for a Pokémon in a later generation. With all the great water types from Gen 1, Seadra was very “meh.” But then it got the dragon typing, which at the time was the only one besides the Dratini line, & better stats. When I first started playing competitive, I used a rain team with Kingdra as my sweeper. Although, I do wish it had either better attack or special attack, instead of them both being at a decent 95. They could of had it have 115 special attack & 70 attack, or vice versa. Also, give it sludge Bomb. It’s weird that it doesn’t have it, considering one the Horsea lines biggest gimmicks in the anime was it spitting out sludge. It would work a lot better against fairy types than Flash Cannon.

[@phoebe5114]

Pretty sure this is about number 20 for videos where I asked for *Clefable* ! :D Loving your content anyway so I'm still just as eager.

[@lamegamer4607]

WOW! So many uploads:D

[@glizzygobbler2810]

Kingdra is in smogon OU right now and it also has Iron Head and Flash Cannon

[@starfall0]

Unprivileged Poor Asian Kid What's the reason for it rising to OU in this generation?

[@glizzygobbler2810]

Di ya so you’re only an unprivileged asian kid?

[@glizzygobbler2810]

Di ya I agree lol

[@TheStrongestBaka]

Why is it in BL3 now all of a sudden? Has Smogon banned something again? I'm really out of the loop.

[@glizzygobbler2810]

TheStrongestBaka cuz it sucks ass now

[@ethanadams8109]

How GOOD were Poliwrath & Politoed ACTUALLY?

[@ewkak.8470]

Silver Gaming and poliwarth

[@ethanadams8109]

I was considering it, I edited it to Poliwrath and Politoed then edited it back.

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

Silver Gaming I think Poliwrath and Politoed have too different of playstyles they would have to be different videos. Blissey and Rhyperior were similar enough to their predecesors to work the same way and work as one video. Politoed and Poliwrath would be more like Porygon2 and PorygonZ

[@Cousinouf]

Poliwrath was/is bad

[@applebeemcfirdays9977]

Cousin thats sad Tajiris favorite line deserves to be top tier.

[@ascendria]

Awesome. I love Kingdra. Had a few obvious problems with it, but overall still cool.

[@moonshadow9178]

I remember battling Kingdra at the battle tower in crystal in level 100 and what a hassle it was to take down cause it ran a rest set almost all the time and its balanced stats. It was the reason I ran a ‘curse-lax’ just to take it out 😁

[@victikirby15]

How good were Magneton/Magnezone actually?

[@zarrtik]

i agree

[@CDMetalWing]

How good was Magikarp actually?

[@justicar347]

CDMetalWing that would be perfect for April Fools day.

[@petercross1879]

Top tier

[@chessybitez]

that and ratata endeavor focus sash

[@AeonQuasar]

Only unprepared teams and players falls for it. So easily countered that it is more a gimmick than a tactic. Sandstorm, hail, poison, burn, priority move, taunt, etc etc.

[@ceoofmonke_zeke6127]

magikarps revenge is just....!

[@ethan0248910]

Alright! I've been waiting for Steelix since I started watching you!

[@jaidenjaiden4109]

I can't wait for the next smash competitive vid

[@Arisawa_Heavy_Ind]

good video

[@vengefulfork7169]

Sir you are first

[@JTLDrago94]

after steelix how GOOD was Ampharos

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

Not very good, mediocre stats and it's final nail in the coffin is it's shallow movepool

[@shinygalaxy8837]

Interestingly Kingdra is in OU in SM again. Enjoyed the video!

[@keenkeen92]

This Channel is Amazing

[@theflyingtofu-4487]

How good was the EEVEELOUTIONS!?!?!

[@thatdudebro9918]

How...GOOD...was...Tentacruel...ACTUALLY?

[@MGX93dot]

What are you, William Shatner?

[@mckerosine3134]

I wanna see all three johto starters after steelix

[@frontalspy5934]

Yeah 3 starters of johto

[@OPiONShouter]

i started playing during johto but i know its starters aren't impressive, at least in competitive formats. i would prefer to see hoenn starters by far! exception: make an unpredictable typhlosion as a special all rounder with extracensory and let everybody go NUTS. there's more than zapdos and heat wave out there.

[@OPiONShouter]

good typing relies on all round choices in the party as a whole. and zapdos is great, but standard affairs.

[@OPiONShouter]

καλα ντε

[@NoForksGiven]

I'll have you know Feraligatr has been running rampant in the lower tiers ever since it got dragon dance. I mean, it's no OU but being one of the best of the worst is something, right?

[@Davey647Returns]

Tentacruel please. The special wall of the seas of Kanto. One of my favorite to use in later gens-the Acid Spray/Giga Drain/Scald/Barrier/black sludge combo is so beastly

[@nastrofobles]

ayy my comment was heard for steelix

[@arbetor12]

Nicholas Bell same brah

[@lightlouis]

The fossil pokemon of gen 1 would be awesome

[@alexisthetransgenderduelis4211]

times like this im Glad i never played smogon at all ( or heard of it ) till gen 6

[@armorbearer9702]

I think it did pretty well, It may not have had many OU appearances, but it was consistently BL which is still impressive.

[@B---tw3kh]

Fun drinking game: Take a shot everytime SMOGON proposes to ban something

[@randyrandalman8234]

I wouldn't exactly call smogon competitive pokemon - just a bunch of arbitrary rules and tiers setup by a fan community

[@redwarrior118]

@@randyrandalman8234 Jeez as if there is any better place to do competitive singles. It's not like you can't use something when smogon bans it lol. Just move up the tiers until its legal (e.g Ubers, AG).

[@randyrandalman8234]

@@redwarrior118 You're right - smogon's the best among the crappy options we got for singles. The problem with the "just move up the tiers" approach is that it the upper tiers (especially AG, a tier created b/c Mega Rayqueza) are not nearly as popular as OU, the staple format of singles with most players. I don't have an issue with moving pokes with overpowered stats into uber, but when you start banning specific attacks (e.g. Baton Pass, which is even banned in ubers lol), then it enters the realm of subjectivity and people wanting to ban stuff because they personally don't like it or aren't creative enough to metagame around it

[@redwarrior118]

@@randyrandalman8234 The thing with Baton Pass, ANY pokemon could be the recipient of those juicy stat boosts. SM introduced the two best baton pass recipients OU has ever seen: Magearna (access to Soul Heart and 140 BP signature fairy move), and regular Necrozma (access to a bevy of boosting moves, high all around stats, and access to stored power). This was way too much for OU to handle. You could read the Smogon post here www.smogon.com/forums/threads/baton-pass-in-sm-ou.3604290/ Banning these sort of stuff isn't exactly done by one guy either, it's done by community. Smogon usually raises pretty good points on why a certain thing should be banned to create a healthy metagame.

[@randyrandalman8234]

@@redwarrior118 I'm pretty sure Baton Pass was banned before SM, Magearna, or Necrozma even existed. Besides the strength of Baton Pass isn't about the recipient poke rather maintaining the chain of boosts along the way. U can even use Magikarp as the finisher for maximum fun. While Smogon loves swinging a its ban-hammer like a big stick towards anything that disrupts it's beloved spikes+rocks, I prefer letting players adapt with alternative strategies to evolve the metagame through a more freeform approach over the inherently subjective ban hammer. What does a "healthy metagame" even mean?

[@superpippo93x]

Still sitting on that Magnezone! Or Azumarill. Would be interesting hear your thoughts on the whole Pikablue dabacle back in the day. Also, thank you so much for Kingdra! Used one on my Y nuzlocke, been a favorite of mine since. Cheers you guys. Swipe away!

[@AlphaladZXA]

Did it

[@cambarnum9639]

This is why I still ran swift swim on always Kritdra with this super gimmicky rain team in college, losing the attack buff sucked, but outspending threats was priority

[@mainlander3920]

Finally! Thanks!

[@user-pd8ne6vw7i]

How good was Flygon ACTUALLY?

[@shining_espeon]

YES YES YES YES YES

[@shining_espeon]

u r right

[@l0n37]

A Ghost HEK YEAH

[@bitchd7839]

Random Person Dragonite doesn't need a mega. It would just setup thanks to Multiscale and wreck everything next turn when it mega evolves. Garchomp and Salamence are at least at risk of a stray HP Ice, while Dragonite can even tank a non-STAB Ice Beam and setup.

[@zekekimo]

But flygon got DD now so you'll see more of it and if pokemon gave a extra oof in its Attack and Speed then it might even become the next garchomp

[@b99b12]

How GOOD was Delibird ACTUALLY?

[@ZaZa12745]

I'm a massive fan of Horsea, Seadra and Kingdra. Really liked Kingdra, and is one of my favourite gen 2 pokemon. It was actually really strong for that gen.

[@KankaWasTaken]

kingdra is still my favourite water pokemon for my teams..just love it

[@kennethmassa6682]

It's always a shame when really cool Pokemon like this are screwed by the speed and power creep over the gens.

[@fireblaster4073]

I know that the move wasn’t really used in the meta during gen 6, but I feel like you still should've pointed out the move ‘freeze dry’ since it was the only ice type move that hits Kingdra for X4 damage. Either way, this is still a great video!

[@Werepyres]

Didn't know about that move till now, thx!

[@djaysmaster50]

I actually used the Focus Energy setup in a monotype team and it worked well.

[@LPanimal6]

Interesting

[@Jotari]

Scolipede with the crit boosting berry and baton pass is a great way of getting the 100% crit Kingdra out on the field. Speed boost not only makes it fast when it's out there but without the need for its own focus energy or agility you can give it a full four attacking moves for maximum offensive variety.

[@G00lden]

Magneton - Magnezone !! (Keep it up guys, you are great and fun!)

[@t-greenrock404]

"Seadra's face melted" LMAO

[@TJF588]

Didnt notice it here, but still waitin' for some Breloom to loom on your horizon.

[@QuaziIrtiza]

Great to see Citra being used to provide high resolution gen 6 gameplay!

[@frankienerdyboy]

How good is the Dragon type actually

[@missplayer30]

I second this, along with how good is the Psychic type actually.

[@baddragonite]

We are the superior type :p

[@gengarzilla1685]

The only thing I dislike about the Dragon type is some of the obnoxiously loud fans. They're part of why I approve of Fairy's introduction.

[@zarrtik]

Gligar and Gliscor or murkrow and honchkrow

[@frankienerdyboy]

GLISSCCOORRR YEEAASHHH

[@malikshabazz2065]

SOOO excited for Steelix

[@DiamondKab]

Would love to see Magneton and Magnezone next

[@morrissieh6371]

Please do Dodrio. I'm using it in Fire Red and Platinum Version and I want to know how good it is/was.

[@sparklespider1356]

I love how with smogon you can tell the rulemakers just get swept and then ban the strategy that swept them

[@baddragonite]

I went CRAZY with sniper critdra in OU. I almost always got at least one ko with it. It was so crazy that it helped carry my monotype dragon team when i brputht it ovee to regular ou. It was quite impressive. But hey whatevs the less people who knew about it the more likely it was to take people off guard lol

[@fablewalker4347]

After Steelix, HOW GOOD WAS PIDGEOT?

[@RockruffRuinsGames]

Oshawott Onslaught I think he did that, but I could just be thinking of the legendary birds

[@fablewalker4347]

RapidRockruff He didn't do it yet.

[@RockruffRuinsGames]

Oshawott Onslaught ok

[@lyncario5515]

Gen1-early6: Bad is an big understatement. ROSA-today: the mega nice, bulky, and his hurricanne cannot miss, topped by a good special attack.

[@pandango1]

How good was Houndoom ACTUALLY?

[@HermanTG]

Still pushing strong for Eeveelutions! Also Azumarill, love the little round bunny

[@BlocKoopa]

Please do Suicune, Kabutops, and/or Magneton/Magnezone. Great video as always. :-)

[@FN64Productions]

"Seadra's face melted" 🤣

[@mistrzyoda123]

I remember 6-0ing some teams in gen VI OU with my Sniper Kingdra And I also remember some ragequits after a surprise Draco Meteor OHKO on Mega Venusaur, I could feel the salt from the other side

[@vikavoltisepic3507]

My favourite pokemon is kingdra and it’s pretty good for me in natdex ou, I have a rain team and banded turn does a lot

[@jaretco6423]

This is one Pokemon that needs an remake review.

[@NSArkana]

How good was magneton/magnezone

[@AlphaladZXA]

Did it