How inconsistent is Sonic Forces?

so let me get my opinions outta the way while i point out every issue this game has Storywise i mean come on sonic team next time get writers who have actually played a sonic game
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[@PokemarioThe2nd]

Sonic Forces’s biggest problem is that it feels like a self-insert fan fiction. Original character meant to be you? Check. OC is best buddies with Sonic and ignores the fact Sonic is probably closer to Tails or Knuckles? Check. Other characters are completely useless/helpless so the OC looks better and can save everyone? Check. Mania Sonic shoehorned in to be like Generations, except, because all the focus is on Modern Sonic and OC, Mania Sonic sorta just disappears in the story? Check. Tries to be dark and edgy (the supposed six months of torture and Infinite himself) but can’t actually pull it off (torture completely ignored; Infinite disappears before the end and no one says anything about it)? Check. Lots of continuity errors and conflicting info (Phantom Ruby)? Check. Bottom line: This game’s story is a fan fiction that was clearly written all in one go without looking back to check for consistency, never mind a second draft or more.

[@SirCaplockWood]

*SONIC FORCES YOU TO THINK ABOUT LIFE*

[@cheesaliciousable]

Quick, somebody pin Poke's comment or take a screenshot and spam it to SEGA HQ just to roast them again.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah that pretty much sums it up That’s depressing

[@AndreaBene20]

The Game is good

[@Awegamer2015]

Even for me, this is low and sad.

[@Multi-Tech]

SEGA accidentally made a typo in the difficulty selection. They accidentally wrote HARD and NORMAL instead on EASY and VERY EASY

[@eevee1583]

Multi Tails Power lol

[@radilime]

"Literally never touched a controller before" and "Can I play too, daddy?" mode*

[@gamelegendalpha1737]

"Baby's first game" and "Baby's first sonic game"

[@musicreversed1660]

Its hard on switch

[@Mr_Gamer-Random]

@@musicreversed1660 wdym

[@thenightjackal8876]

**Gets in Null Space** **Null Space is also called "Nothing"** "Nothing can hold us!" -- Why do you say that so positively?

[@theanimecatboi5026]

........never realized that

[@Jelzly]

yeah true that.

[@bluewulv]

"Did they even try?" Well... due to Tails forgetting that he can fight and travel as fast as Sonic, and Knuckles doesn't do anything? I'm guessing no. No they didn't.

[@carlbloke8797]

Danny Furrison pretty much

[@CaptainCoolzCT-]

[GD] Annoe Mania: EXISTS

[@theminebloxcraft5779]

@[GD] Annoe because we could play as him atleast. Sonic forces made him a big coward by being scared by chaos 0 when he has defeated chaos 4. Granted, he had help, but still he beat eggman by himself, and the whole point of his story was him learning to believe himself, and that he doesn’t need sonic all the time.

[@dont4skmeN1x67]

They turned shadow into a edgelord than downgraded to a school yard bully

[@Brendan-kx8iy]

Well he can’t move nearly as fast as Sonic or Shadow when they’re trying, but yeah, Knuckles, tails, EVERYONE who isn’t Sonic is just shafted to make him look good.

[@demoknight.]

The moment you realise that this franchise, unlike the other ones, really needs the help of the true fans, who have played *all* the sonic games *in existence* and know how to *really fix* Sonic because otherwise, Sega or more precisely Sonic Team, are dommed to fail every single time.

[@goovn822]

so, you mean a game by the mania for the *MANIA?*

[@someweirdo]

That's why I want to work for SEGA on the writing team when I'm older. I feel like I'll be the only one that knows the darn franchise.

[@FoxtrotGolfLima]

Some Weirdo your reply makes me think of the board meeting meme, where the guy with the best ideas gets chucked out the window

[@someweirdo]

Fabian Leiva XD

[@mtamer2943]

When a franchise has failed and is now disliked so hard. Just let it die and make something new, fresh and exciting. Like Freedom Planet and Spark the electric Jester. Or like the 3D ps2 adventurers homage that is Skylar and Plug. Let Sonic go. Maybe in many years like Crash and Spyro then he'll be able to return. But currently, he's dead no matter what kind of game comes out. Seriously, that is why SEGA can't do anything good and why fans are constantly bragging that they can all do so much better. It's Sonic's end time and this is a real solution than waiting for SEGA to hire you too.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Isn't it obvious who repaired Omega? Clearly, the Phantom Ruby brought Donkey Kong into the Sonic world, and once Episode DK is released, we'll see how in the end cutscene DK finds Omega and repairs him like last time.

[@zigzoinks5493]

Oh, okay. Makes sense.

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

I knew somebody was going to mention Donkey Kong from the Olympic Games. :)

[@hibubgames7667]

DK > Tails

[@raiandox]

Lol

[@ninjamaster9094]

Honestly considering how all over the place this game is, I accept that as canon

[@isaiascardona926]

Classic Sonic: “My game’s still better than yours!” *Disappears*

[@MobCrusher]

isaias cardona I agree Classic Sonic, I 100% agree

[@MGSDude01]

Adventure 1 & 2 Heroes Unleashed Black Knight Colors Advance & Rush games Riders/Zero Gravity Would like some words with you.

[@virginloser4850]

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[@faded9581]

Spicical Every single one of those games having glaring issues that prevent it from getting on par with Mania

[@faded9581]

Spicical You cannot honestly say that Unleashed was anything more than decent. Try to be as unbiased as you can for 10 seconds.

[@thomasbodrey]

If only the Sonic Adventure version of Tails showed up instead of classic Sonic... Then you would've seen a more useful Tails. Even the Tails' Adventures version would've been way better as he carried grenades, and had a T-PUP that actually worked. And best of all, in the Japanese story of that game, Tails had never met Sonic, so he relied solely on himself to defend his home island from invasion.

[@kinghotcoc0]

THAT D O S P I agree

[@M3rtyville]

They really shafted Tails with this game. Sonic's friends already got the shaft because "Nobody likes them", but Tails was specificly designed as the Luigi of Sonic.

[@MegaSonic94]

Adventure Tails would slap Tails and tell him "you could've done better you wimp" and then Adventure Tails would take over as Tails

[@mudafucca4420]

@@M3rtyville But instead, Tails is somehow even worst, Luigi does get scared, but he is able to get over his fears of ghost so he is able to save Mario

[@Mr_Gamer-Random]

Wait in the Japanese story Tails and never met Sonic?

[@drawinggunblades4263]

11:40 Shadow: Hey that's... Shadow: That black hedgehog again, of all places... Shadow: I've found me, faker! Shadow: Faker? I think I'm the fake hedgehog around here. I'm comparing myself to me...ha! I'm not even good enough- Shadow: I'll make me eat those words!

[@tonyshad1239]

Lol, I thought of that too

[@dannyflintstone7003]

This may be the greatest comment on planet earth

[@everplank4062]

Skeletor 😂

[@kermkerm]

This is one of the best comments ever. 😂

[@FireBlades]

you forgot one more line Shadow: I won't even get the chance

[@POTTERANDMATRIXFAN]

HEY SONIC. ENJOY YOUR FUTURE. IT'S GONNA BE GREAT!

[@ajdestin3304]

POTTERANDMATRIXFAN my hands are on my head right now

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Can we please not be reminded of another half-assed game, thank you ?

[@christiankirbysalesman4181]

Classic sonic: ya older me "its going to be great"

[@margarethoszey5457]

POTTERANDMATRIXFAN classic sonic : what did you put me through

[@nicholas3202]

Oh no

[@deltaphant_]

They couldn't pick a name for the final boss beyond "Death Egg Robot"

[@metalgearzwei]

DarthBinary dunkey: OH SHIT ITS KNACK AND KNACK 2 BAYBEEE

[@WBX64]

No kidding! Here, I have a name for the final boss. How does "Eggfinity King" sounds?

[@TheHorns1996]

Something like "Egg Sentinel" would've been better

[@WBX64]

At this point, Any name is better of the final boss than reusing 'Death Egg Robot" Still.. Egg Sentinel is not bad. :)

[@callumsparrow4379]

DarthBinary According to this game’s official soundtrack release, the final boss is titled the Mega Death Egg Robot. Sounds like a Mega Evolved D.E.R.

[@BaronSterling]

"Just enjoy this music: " *BURST!* *BURST!* *BURST!* *BURST!* *BURST!*

[@theanimecatboi5026]

Severo Cairon. My character says ASTROID ASTROID ASTROID

[@jayceallen6530]

Sterling nah that’s sonic colors, sonic forces is super annoying with its plain generic music

[@cybersonic233]

you missed the big plot hole of Episode Shadow. Rouge has to be aware that the Shadow working with Eggman isnt the actual Shadow so why didnt she say anything?

[@gamejitzu]

It makes sense for Sonic to think Shadow's bad, but everyone else should know about the fake...

[@722lovemonkey]

cybersonic233 Because alpacas. That's good enough right?

[@nickgreene9456]

Because they didn't give a shit about the story

[@pugnome]

lol this game gave zero fucks to where it mattered

[@KyletheReflectionist]

Is Rouge just shy around the other characters or something? She did the exact same thing in heroes!

[@shiningjustice4147]

you forgot that NONE OF THEM ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO FIND THE CHAOS EMERALDS

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Yep one of my biggest regrets not adding that in the video

[@XaneMyers]

In Forces' weird universe, Super Sonic's powered by money/paid DLC, not the seven Chaos Emeralds...even though the Chaos Emeralds actually made sense!

[@Troublethecat]

Well, I for one think it's nice for there to be games where Super Sonic isn't necessary to beat the final boss.

[@iam4026]

Lost world and colours already taken care of that

[@Blizzardstorm22180]

dshaynie might as well just edit it in they already have the chaos emeralds from generations there's even a dlc that shows it

[@phantomthedevil2228]

In sonic generations sonic: hey sonic enjoy your future! Its gonna be great!! Classic sonic:*5 years later* hE wAs LiEiNg!!!!!!.!.!.!.!.!.!.! Edit: also mania was a lie!?!?!?! How could this be?!?!? Also holy shit no one told sonic about a shadow androids!!! Think about if he was never been told in heros or shadows game

[@cieldaube]

phantom the devil umm... charrii5 much?

[@nothipe573]

I know how Sonic Was tortured. He is extremely impatient. They’ve Got no entertainment for Sonic. He is starting to die from boredom.

[@jonah2437]

I think I might've figured out why Sega is turning most of the Sonic characters into wimps who can't protect themselves. It gives them an excuse to not make the characters playable. Newer fans probably don't know that Tails, and Knuckles are capable of defeating Eggman *Cough* *Cough* Classic Sonic games, and the Adventure games. Heck, even Amy can somewhat fight her own battles (Seen in the first Sonic Adventure, and Sonic Battle) Amy even saved Sonic in Sonic Adventure 2 (When Sonic was trapped in Metal Harbor. I just wish Sega would quit pulling stupid stuff and make a Sonic game that isn't a boarder-line on-rail game.

[@CasuallyFeral]

Jesus Christ, Carl you're right. I didn't even think of that.

[@jordansanders9623]

moon moon moon spoon spoon spoon june june june xd

[@deannamccrimmon6422]

Carl Wheezer They’re making them all cowards just to make Sonic look like a better hero tbh. Theyre making it seem like everyone depends on him when they can defend their damn selves.

[@kira-dk2mx]

I know, Amy has a giant hammer and ahs the strength of ten men but recent games seem to enjoy making her as useful as Sakura was in the first part of Naruto.

[@extremmefan7305]

Yea that's just a stupid decision on their part, as: - Heroes shows Team Chaotix as more capable detectives than what Forces does. - In the Adventure games and Battle, Rouge fought her own battles. - 06 and even Rivals shows Silver as capable enough to fight his own battles separately from Sonic - SHADOW. HAD. HIS OWN GAME. At least they gave Shadow an episode and Silver a cutscene, though imo that doesn't quite cut it. In fact those two feel more like an animation test for Shadow and an effect test for Silver (testing the glowing effect used for his telekinesis).

[@redsplat6606]

11:54 To be fair, Sonic didn't really encounter any Shadow Andriods.

[@redsplat6606]

Yeah

[@lpfan4491]

yeah,he has no reason to know about them at all

[@redsplat6606]

Then by your logic, you should be blaming Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog instead of Forces.

[@kirbyplier]

Yes he Did in every single sonic game ever because the real shadow fucking sucks

[@shinobiroger4423]

And yet when Shadow dies (Or "dies". Doesn't really matter which.) at the end of Adventure 2 nobody, and I mean *nobody* is surprised to see him back in Heroes. Isn't much of a stretch to assume the Androids are common knowledge by the end of at least Shadow the hedgehog.

[@AstraSilverhorn]

I'll be honest... Sonic Unleashed was the last good sonic game. That game you can literally feel the amount of love and effort put into the game and it really shows. Chip is by far my most favorite side character in the franchise despite his brief appearance because of that game. Colors and Generations did refine Unleashed's gameplay but it did not have that same level of "love." Sure Generations had love and all but Unleashed was just a stronger game overall in my opinion. Sonic Forces is a slap to the face and I really wish SEGA would try and at return to their philosophy when working on Unleashed.

[@AstraSilverhorn]

Yeah. Last good 3D "Modern" Sonic. I should've clarified on that.

[@theanimecatboi5026]

Jeez I'm to lazy to make such an essay of a comment

[@majesticmoyt5125]

XSpeedgodX generations and colours were decent right

[@Z3RO5286]

unleahsed and generations were the last good games

[@josephfabbo1760]

Unleashed and generations are the ones with the most love, but unleashed is my favorite

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

also, someone might have already mentioned this but.... Sonic knows NOTHING about the Shadow Androids... not once has he encountered one in Shadow the hedgehog...

[@toadstein]

DarkFrozenDepths yeah i wanted to say that too he never knew they existed

[@MrChillaxin2010]

The song is called "Fist Bump", the characters high five when they double boost.... .....You couldn't give ONE fuck, could you?

[@prottyblue]

I looked up Imperial Tower's lyrics. "Light is fading from our world-" Isn't there supposed to be, oh, I dunno...a GIANT VIRTUAL SUN ABOUT TO INCINERATE THE PLANET? So how is light fading if the light would actually increase. Unless we're talking about the other side of the hemisphere... (Note: I'm well aware it's supposed to be metaphorical, but that's not as fun to make fun of.)

[@bronsonferrigno2453]

I'm dying 😆

[@csiasofficial6007]

😎 no fucks given

[@fivedfiva]

"Hey! It's been GENERATIONS since I've seen you!" Sonic, get out.

[@calebproductions1264]

No

[@calebproductions1264]

Sonic: No :)

[@neropilled]

At least SEGA know that they did something good in the past.

[@MMar_io]

lets not forget this game costs $40

[@emeraldwind4897]

.....While Sonic Adventrure 2 costs $9.99 xD

[@godofwar234regi5]

Emerald Wind Now it's $50.

[@angryboi595]

I wasted money on my ps4 dammit

[@youdoyouarts]

This game should cost $10 or something

[@mudafucca4420]

And the better game "Sonic Mania" that was made by *FANS* is $30...

[@duba9018]

It's consistently terrible

[@flewis02]

Mr. GOD perfect comment

[@AndreaBene20]

No, is not

[@SonNguyen-xp9ro]

Super Sonic Gamer yes it is

[@truearea53]

Yep. No super sonic final fight and the final boss phase 2 is just like Colors and Lost worlds. I think SEGA is running out of ideas.

[@operationjeffrey342]

@@AndreaBene20 you are the definition of a cringy Sonic fan

[@unknownshadow675]

You forgot the end credits scene where after Sonic talks about fixing the world he just leaves.

[@snakeboy2017]

Alright, I have an idea for a new game: sinnce he couldn't fix his world, he leaves and tries to go back to the past, becoming a new villain, that past Sonic must now fight. 10/10.

[@unknownshadow675]

DMB 2 Oh no I did?!

[@unknownshadow675]

Wait.. now your comment is completely different! What happened? One minute your comment was just mine which is why I made my joke reply but I scrolled down and just came back up to see a completely different comment!

[@snakeboy2017]

It's the Phantom Ruby that causes illusions.

[@unknownshadow675]

DMB 2 It should let me hallucinate not having to go to work later today.

[@Aarosh123playz]

Frankly, I find it sad that a group of fans can make a better sonic game than the official team.

[@aiden4917]

those fans should just make a 3d spiritual successor so everyone can jump over there because its clear sega don't care.

[@CasuallyFeral]

What's the fanmade game called?

[@aiden4917]

Acolyte of Steel sonic utopia i think

[@prmatthew2541]

Acolyte of Steel Sonic Mania.

[@NotASpyReally]

Thing is this game totally looks like the deviantart sonic fans made it.

[@YBNKASHWAYS]

Where was Shadow this whole game? Why was Sonic so scared of Shadow? Isn't Sonic supposed to be fearless and just as powerful?

[@Olivia-dg4fb]

Sonic would have totally ran towards Shadow to beat him. Look at SA2 where he essentially did that! Honestly if it were me writing i think having Infinite send Shadow to null space or even the death egg would've made sense. Hes the whole reason behind Infintes story and when he encounters him he does nothing. Like you cannot tell me that Infinite wouldn't jump at the chance of pay back???

[@ninjamaster9094]

I feel like this whole game is filled with a ton of assets and ideas that they just never use. They could have used that giant worm for some chase scene. They could have used those trains and stuff in Chemical Plant for some cool platforming segments. They could have used that plot point with the Custom Hero using the Phantom Ruby for something. They could have made Null Space into an actual level. They could have had actual boss fights with every villain that shows up. They could have made you actually fight that army of clones. They could have made that illusion sun an actual threat. Heck they could have done much more with the whole illusion concept. They could have had an actual ending for Infinite. They could have actually developed any of the characters' side stories. But instead, they just decide to scrap any and all unique ideas and concepts and just leave small teases towards them for no reason.

[@Mr_Gamer-Random]

Pretty much sums Forces' missed potential

[@squiddycheese7399]

"So what'd you enjoy about Sonic Forces?" Eggman. I Liked Eggman

[@needlewind9053]

Eggman is the real Hero, while Sega is the hidden villain. Top 3 anime plot twist.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Eggman hardly did shit in this game, whatcha even talking about ?

[@bobstayoffthegrass8772]

Squiddycheese Everyone’s badly written except Eggman? Par for the course, I’d say.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Bob Stayoffthegrass Nah, he's just as badly written as everyone. He's bland, hardly has a presence, and for someone who took over everything, he still acts like in Colors and Lost World.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Matt 1326 How can he even do that if he doesn't have a fucking clue what his plans are lol

[@MaKilly6699]

Sonic: No? Of course not, you hate fun. Me: and SEGA hates lip synching

[@aiden4917]

The One With A Gambling Addiction and hard work,honesty,not rushing,good story,their main games there is alot they hate now

[@kayaplaaya9875]

TheNightmare INFINITE

[@aiden4917]

TheNightmare the only thing infinite about them now is how retarded they can get.

[@AlexoStripes]

Eh. Looks pretty good to me.

[@aiden4917]

TheNightmare not to mention the game plays itself hardly infinite fun.

[@PsychoticaYT]

22:06 Tails...I dont feel too good...

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Psychotica I don’t wanna go mr prower

[@velboi3823]

The awesome Ramon you stink even more

[@velboi3823]

The awesome Ramon 'no u' thing stinks EVEN MORE. ok change my mind, you still stink more

[@rakin1134]

Leo The Neo Prob a Spider-Man fan

[@velboi3823]

Racccoon no?

[@undead923]

When I saw that Chaos going into the sewers was heavily implied, I thought we were gonna have Chaos Rematch that uses the water to change into weaker versions of his froms in Adventure.

[@RiderNexus]

GOD this story is hot garbage

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Pietro Lucchese Worse. They tried to make a dark and interesting setup......while still writing it like Colors and Lost World. And throwing away lore and continuity. Also, its tone is a clusterfuck. You can't pretend to take seriously a story that tells you that Sonic has been "tortured for months" (according to Pontac and Graff), only for him to act EXACTLY like like Colors and Lost World, not taking anything seriously and making shitty jokes.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Pietro Lucchese Because they're cowardly tools, and because they STILL kept Pontac and Graff.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

tewtwtww twt Did they drop you on your head to say such nonsense ?

[@thesupershinymegagengar2034]

RiderNexus And people say Sonic 06 has a messy story.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

tewtwtww twt And your opinion is based on bollocks, because it was a clusterfuck of things that didn't make sense, lost potential or just bullshit over bullshit. So you saying the story is good is wrong. Opinion or not.

[@SkaiCyan]

You know which inconsistency I love? The Phantom Ruby makes copies without any of the "heart and soul" of the originals, which is why Shadow copy doesn't talk and is a villain with Chaos copy. But then why does Zavok copy taunt and threaten Sonic like he's the real Zavok?

[@josephtessier9209]

SkaiCyan Infinite is actively controlling Zavok illusion? Sonic Team is dumb as rocks? A third answer? We will never find out.

[@sufficient4834]

>consistency >Sonic Forces

[@PTSDSquirrel]

or how the Heavies got so much damn personality???

[@calebproductions1264]

How the fuck do 5 robots have personalities?

[@PTSDSquirrel]

personality-meaning distinctiveness to set one self apart.

[@WumpaClock]

Gonna be honest here. I'm on good terms with the Sonic franchise, but if another game like this comes out... Lets just say I'm moving to Bubsy.

[@a-poz7387]

CaptainKodachrome bubsy 3d world is the best game try it first

[@WumpaClock]

ironic name I was kidding. I really do like Bubsy. I was just playing off popular opinion.

[@a-poz7387]

CaptainKodachrome you know that i was jokeing right No human ever played bubsy 3d world and completed it

[@WumpaClock]

ironic name You're looking at one. Of course, who said I was human?

[@emeraldwind4897]

Hey, What could possibly go wrong?

[@lunchm34t]

Do you know that move that Silver could do in Sonic 06' where he could throw you into orbit with his psychokinesis and you couldn't do anything about it and death would immediately follow? Just do that to Infinite. Problem solved.

[@danfraser3302]

And Silver did fight Infinite, but much like all sense of continuity, that got thrown out the window. Instead these writers are obsessed with making Sonic look good and his friends out to be jobbers.

[@panchod.t4413]

@ yes and no

[@Olivia-dg4fb]

Give Infinite flashbacks to "its no use!" Like the fans have.

[@simpletonapollo9723]

Actually, I dare say Tails is a scientist. This was set up in Sonic Adventure 2 and Tails has intelligence equivalent to Eggman, which is why I am disappointed that this game and a few games prior turned Tails into a pussy standing in the background.

[@masapeeta4140]

He lost strength and seems to lost Intelligence, but can guess the basic origins of a character

[@yourbackgarden6743]

Egg man is and always will be smarter than tails although tails is smart enough to put up a fight against him.

[@masapeeta4140]

Well Eggman maybe smarter than Tails, but his ego makes it that he may only use as much intellect as Tails.

[@LoliconSamalik]

He's more of a hobbyist inventor than a full on scientist.

[@HeilRay]

Im an electrician because I plugged an HDMI into a tv. Screw Tails

[@andrewwesterholm825]

to be fair, Sonic never saw the shadow androids in either Heroes or Shadow the Hedgehog, so it would make sense at the confusion of seeing two Shadows

[@andrewwesterholm825]

The Easy answer is for Plot reasons, but I'm guessing that they didn't have a need to, since after Shadow the Hedgehog, you never see them again. Plus, they probably thought it was for the best that this stays a secret, or else everyone might freak out at the possibility that Shadow might actually be an Eggman Robot that could turn on them at a press of a button. That is the LAST thing Shadow wants, to be thought of as the enemy of his would-be-allies. You saw what happened when that occurred in Adventure 2 with Gerald and the Government. RIP Maria...

[@lpfan4491]

yeah,there is no reason sonic should know as they were only relevant for team dark(and they never met sonic when the androids were a theme).and honestly,why bother asking why then didnt tell sonic when they couldnt even be assed to tell shadow about SA2?

[@marquessibert9111]

Does anyone else think that Infinite should have been roboticised. It would make both backstories make sense and keep the darker tone the game was going for. It would also be a nice call back to the SatAM show.

[@thesupershinymegagengar2034]

Marques Sibert As if Sonic Team would ever bother to remember or reference a show as good as SAT AM. If they did, we would have had Sally Acorn and the rest of the Freedom Fighters in these games. Man, they never give us what we want.

[@infiniteedge4427]

How would robotscizing Infinite be a good thing? It would've turned him into just another eggpawn

[@danfraser3302]

I really think Infinite should've had a backstory that had more effort put into it, instead of coming up with edgy lyrics to his theme song. Maybe Infinite was at one point a friend to the Rookie. Then a desire for power and notoriety caused him to fall in with Eggman and to start up the Jackal Squad. We see him get the shit beaten out of him by Shadow. Eggman decides to turn him into a robot and put in a Phantom Ruby prototype into him and Infinite loses his mind and memories of his past life and being forced to fight Rookie, and because of his protocols that Eggman installed into him, he wants to vanquish Sonic and put an end to the Resistance. After the three battles with Sonic and Rookie, Infinite starts to remember that he and Rookie used to be friends and momentarily gets back to his senses. And his last words before fading away says: "Goodbye..... friend..." That would be a hundred times better than what we initially got.

[@thesupershinymegagengar2034]

Dan Fraser I absolutely agree! Sega/Sonic Team missed an opportunity to make a good story, which they had PLENTY of time for!

[@combativeThinker]

Get that weak, non-canon, comic-ass, cartoon-ass shit outta here. Roboticization is a stupid concept to begin with when the games have already established that Eggman uses the small animals as living batteries for his robots and even then those were replaced with Chaos Drives after the events of SA2. Eggman's talents lie in the areas of theoretical physics, robotics, rocket science, and engineering, not cybernetics and genetic engineering (which roboticization would require); those were more his grandfather's areas of expertise.

[@BrokenAce1295]

Forces is truly an absolute disaster of a game that manages to not only contradict its own tie-in game (Mania) in terms of the Phantom Ruby's properties, but also become an entirely confused and poorly written mess as a whole. That's not even getting into how Sonic Team ruined Classic Sonic's gameplay so badly to the point where he can't gain enough momentum to get past a simple incline when running. His physics are so off and he controls like a tank. Modern Sonic's gameplay isn't any better either since his acceleration is messed up whereas he goes from 0 to 100 rather quick which makes platforming with him a major disaster. He still controls like a race car (just without the drift) so the platforming sections in his levels make the issue even worse. Without the drift, modern Sonic is terribly bland and boring to play. The custom character system happens to be the best thing about this game, yet the custom character still ends up not controlling real well because of again, crappy physics and terrible controls which don't work right with the level design. All of the characters suffer from terrible physics which don't work with platforming and this is supposed to be a "platformer". Sonic Team clearly did not try hard at all with Forces. They fucked up miserably with this terrible excuse of a platformer. This is the worst Sonic game I've ever seen and played. Sonic Team needs to step up their game next time.

[@carlbloke8797]

Ace Is recommend reading the comics as they are so much more well written

[@RyanSonic]

Why didn't Sonic just track down the Emeralds? oh wait, he probably didn't have any money during this game.

[@ninjaskeletronix3135]

Ryan Sonic #roastingsonicxD

[@delaisaka3318]

Ryan Sonic. When you look back at the Final Boss in Mania, Sonic’s Super Form was neutralised. He was hit out of it. This leads us to believe that the Phantom Ruby can easily stop the Chaos Emeralds. Heck, in terms of story, Infinite and Eggman have more knowledge on how to use it. More than the Heavy King and Robotnik. It would be kind of annoying to get the Chaos Emeralds, go Super. Then have your form and hard work ripped away from you.

[@RyanSonic]

It could've been worth a shot, though. And sure, Eggman definitely knows that it's stronger than the Chaos Emeralds (as seen in the comic, where it's stronger than the Master Emerald,), but Infinite might not. and sonic still beats him without the power of the gods... against the power of *the* god... That's another thing I hate about Forces' story, :/

[@futuregohan4837]

He'd Probably Run Into Goku And Get His Ass Destroyed By Him

[@qblanson17]

Ryan Sonic Cause that would've been a DLC mission costing $4.99 a level.

[@Popkornking539]

10:52 pause there and look at Espios face. Even he hated that joke

[@daniellclary]

Yeah, they been terrible to Tails for a long time now. Miss when he did stuff. And would have to agree with you on this game. so much cringe to the story. and it kinda plays itself.

[@Khyon521]

I’m just gonna imagine that this game doesn’t exist

[@LAZY-RUBY]

Yeah, the train scene IS awesome! Or rather it would be if it were actually doing anything instead of watching an automated 30-second cutscene in the middle of a stage. Sonic Heroes had an entire stage about rails and train hopping but Forces can't think of anything other than a cutscene with no player interaction?

[@shiggy3695]

In null space infinite was seen there in concept art, meaning that he was supposed to be a boss there at one point. It even fit up with the metropolis boss fight. Also, apparently, the PC files state the game is in beta, this is the 3rd time Sega did this, releasing an unfinished game.

[@JustABroom]

Maybe they were lazy and didn't get rid of all the Betas.

[@iregretsomeofmypreviouscom3284]

TheWhiteMage i still remember when they showed Green Hill level of Shadow saying It was a WIP (Work in Progress) and the level could change in the final version. Right, nothing of that level changed at all.

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

Agustin Leguiza Sonics been being disrespected for years now

[@shiggy3695]

Agustin Leguiza wait really, Jesus Christ Sega make Sonic team develop the game by themselves

[@fishiecapricorn]

Oh my god I just figured out something Sonic forces is an alternate universe where all the other modern sonic games didn’t happen, nothing is consistent, and where everything SUUUUCCCCCKKKKSSSS 😞

[@lunatic0verlord10]

There was something you could've said about that huge battle near the end : The fact that Charmy was taking part in the battle *without* sucking or being too afraid to fight despite being *two years younger than Tails!* Tails who, may I remind you, *didn't fight at all throughout the whole game!* You also didn't bring up the fact that it's only in the comics that we see Infinite's true face.

[@Mr_Gamer-Random]

Wait if Charmy bee is 6 years old why couldn't Cream be there because Cream is literally 6

[@lunatic0verlord10]

@@Mr_Gamer-Random I know, right? That makes no sense, either.

[@Mr_Gamer-Random]

@@lunatic0verlord10 that pretty much sums up Forces at times, it makes no sense

[@lunatic0verlord10]

@@Mr_Gamer-Random And we still don't know what happened to Infinite. Not even the IDW comics have any answer on that (though that's mainly because Sega forbid them from including him, for some reasons).

[@thatrandomorcaguy7511]

Sonic: don’t worry tails.... I’m sure we’ll run into him again... Director: cut! Sonic: -after all, classic sonic is the only way to make people buy this game....

[@carlbloke8797]

ThatRandomGamer Guy You could say that Sonic was FORCED to say that

[@randomlyconfused6047]

You know it's bad when the fan theories of Infinite's origin are better than the canon origin.

[@HaHaHaHolowence]

RandomlyConfused It would have been much better if he was just created by Eggman instead. Remembering that Gerad created Shadow...

[@randomlyconfused6047]

Or my personal favorite, Infinite BEING the phantom ruby. Even THAT would have been better than "I turned evil because I was called weak."

[@ElectrikStatik900]

7:06 Punch Out confirmed

[@kittyofpowerStudios]

Then Sonic team watches this R.I.P “Let’s just work on a free mobile app that look like temple run What could go wrong”

[@unbreakablepride5972]

Why did the fake shadow go down in one kick if they said it’s basically another shadow just with out an heart or soul and we all know shadow doesn’t go down in one hit Edit: if we were being realistic that avatar army they had would’ve been screwed

[@sufficient4834]

>consistency >Forces

[@andrewsigler7437]

Maybe his heart and soul is what makes him strong.

[@iiyo8638]

Andrew Sigler deep shit

[@unbreakablepride5972]

3rd Way true but think about the army dr eggman had, thousands of shadows, infinite,chaos, and others. Only sonic and shadow can boost. So again the avatar army they had would’ve been wiped out because they also cant boost or teleport in a insist

[@EpicGamer-fl7fn]

tbh looking at what the fuck they did with the story...i dont think they even bothered checking how Shadow was even created to do such a thing.

[@GR33DMUSIC]

I swear I’d have forgot about this game now if I hadn’t had the KZbin recommendations telling me about this game due to how forgettable this game is.

[@Ilias24.]

GreedyOysterGaming We need a greater an more cooler games

[@omnisel]

Seriously, though.

[@thema1998]

GreedyOysterGaming I know right!

[@Plazaflii]

It's not that bad of a game!! GOD SEGA WORKS HARD ON SOMETHING AN YOU JUST CRAP ON IT

[@omnisel]

I'm sure that Sega worked hard on it. Probably. Maybe. But it's objectively not good, arguably straight mediocre. >Sonic Mania, Sonic Generations, Sonic Colors exist. Hmm, the same team made good games once. It's almost as if the "they worked hard" argument is invalid considering that this product they have produced is of significantly less quality compared to previous projects they've made. Hmm, if "working hard" is all it takes to please the public then quality would be irrelevant, as long as you worked hard. No need for improvement or creating with purpose, just as long as there was "hard work" involved.

[@kirmato]

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH, did Tails just say "true dat"?!

[@thesupershinymegagengar2034]

dAtcApPy 64 I know... it's too much to take in in a bad way.

[@MaskSoFly]

Honestly, Sonic Forces had so much potential.

[@AssassinWarrior99]

Which was thrown out the window

[@danielpaterson2694]

Sonic Forces: A bunch of wasted potential.

[@avalockwood4868]

Exactly.

[@enderkaix]

U r just a waste of god's creation

[@homemhomemcriancahomemmulh3873]

ender kai x Why? Because he has an opinion?

[@Garrettcube]

Yep. I feel like anyone can take what they gave us and make it ten times better. I literally made a list of everything they could’ve done to make this better.

[@HeilRay]

More like Sonic Forces: A Waste. PERIOD.

[@godofflamboyancy8316]

Sonic Mania, is an illusion... *OH FUCK NOTHING EXISTS ANYMORE*

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

The franchise is also an illusion.

[@722lovemonkey]

That means your profile pictures are illusions too! AND SO IS THIS VIDEO!

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

Freshpanda88 oh no!

[@ninjaskeletronix3135]

WHUUUUUT well forces can't have that bad of fandom...right? *looks at fandom* WHY WAS MANIA AN ILLUSION

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

Ninja Skeletronix Wait that means the fanbase is an illusion!

[@maxacorn]

it tried to tell a deeper, more complex story. sadly, it didn't do a good job of it. they should've taken notes from the archie comic. it told great complex stories and had some dark themes. i have a closet full of sonic comics and the end game saga is still one of the best arcs in it's run.

[@yeeuee8657]

Sonic forces is actually not cannon because when Sega was making the game everybody in Sega was drunk so theorists need to calm down

[@NeutralL12]

Also why did zavok have a personality and none of the other illusions?

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

Because the original had none to begin with.

[@gamejitzu]

Zavok of all people (the one with a literal black heart) had more personality than the fakes

[@lpfan4491]

my theory is that they wrote him before they decided against personality

[@KyletheReflectionist]

Well, both Chaos and Metal Sonic don't speak, so they have an excuse.

[@lpfan4491]

sonic heroes? sonic generations?

[@thevideo-beast122]

You know, I was suddenly reminded of Power Ranger Megaforce's director. He was such an "action-twat", he would shut down and ignore any ideas to give the show any emotional or creative depth... Do you see the point I'm trying to get aross?

[@justposeidon3810]

I think Sonic Team Should be Fired From Making Sonic Games. Why? Because Everything is Bad! 1. Tails is Strong Enough To Take on Chaos 4! Let alone Chaos 0! Why Didn't he Help Sonic? 2. How did they get the idea sonic was dead? Tails had a front row seat to that fight! 3. Why did everyone rely on sonic so much, that nobody had the guts to stand up to Eggman? WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF SHOWING THEM THE ART OF FIGHTING IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE THEIR SKILLS IN LATER GAMES?!?!?!? and 4. Exiting the Nullspace Was just the icing on the cake showing how lazy Sonic team is! THANKS SONIC TEAM! YOU'VE MADE A SONIC GAME THAT HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL AND YET IT TURNED OUT WORSE THAN SONIC 06 AND BOOM TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU ARE SO LAZY AND STUPID AT MAKING SONIC GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear if i was your boss, this game would complete the reason why i should have fired you on your first day!

[@lpfan4491]

they lost contact with tails(the lost it-part was a mistranslation from that). so at least that part is semi explainable. everything else tho...this game is just terrible

[@archdukebigdogkoopa3821]

13:46 Vector: "FIND THE COMPUTER ROOM!" SONIC: "I FOUND [A WAY THROUGH TO] THE COMPUTER ROOM!!!!!!"

[@cartererickson7395]

Hey everyone in the comments section, It's OK to say you enjoyed this game. It is. It's not OK to say it's a good game. It's not. If you enjoyed it, you enjoyed a bad game. Calling it a good game is only going to make SEGA think it's alright to make more bad games. If you start saying it's a bad game, then SEGA might finally make a decent game on their own. You never know what a bit of actual criticism might do. Blindly saying it's good without acknowledging that the game has many, many flaws isn't helping anyone.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

a game is just a game no matter how disappointing different aspects appeal to different people

[@randomnessinc.8328]

People have different opinions on if a game is good or bad(I personally think the game is below average). Some people like it and think it's bad, others like it and think it's good, etc.

[@randomnessinc.8328]

Saying people are wrong for thinking its good is kinda insultive

[@darius2.063]

Randomness Inc. dude opinions are opinions

[@randomnessinc.8328]

Darius Hinton that's what I'm saying

[@gravitybreaker1]

classic and tails bonded bc they both realised that they're useless

[@insertnamehere8814]

And put in there for basic and useless plot conformation

[@keeganstormblade5456]

16:45 When did Sonic become Cool Cat?

[@fricc3824]

Ok, unpopular opinion incoming! Silver is my favorite hedgehog

[@jordanboyd5587]

I 100% agree with you. Silver deserves more love than he deserves.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

He is a such a facinating yet underutilized character like other sonic characters he is only used for talking but im glad het got to fight infinite even if briefly

[@inklingboystarboy3492]

just to say eggman said nothing exists in null space then why is there blocks and stars

[@CalebCraft10]

How Sonic Forces could have been perfect: -Have Sonic taken out of the story towards the beginning as usual, but don't have him come back until the very end. -Scrap both Classic, and the custom character. -Bring back the Heroes system where you switch between a team of 3 characters. -Have the characters be various members of the resistance (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Silver, Espio, Rouge, Omega, Charmie, Hector, Blaze, and Sonic in the end / post game). -Give each character a unique wisp-like ability that helps them overcome certain obstacles and gain advantages in combat (Tails being able to fly, Knuckles having a punch attack, Silver being able to float temporarily, etc). -Make the game fully 3D with cleaner Adventure style physics, and boost gameplay. -Improve the level design, making it more open with more alternate routes, more creative locals, and time that clocks in at least longer than two minutes (probably closer to 5 to 10). -Improve the role of the villains. Each should have two boss fights: One early on in their base forms, and one later on in their ultimate forms. And they should be more complicated than hitting rocks or running in a straight line. -When they say Sonic is being tortured, actually have it seem that way. Keep him upbeat for a little while, but still a little roughed up in appearance and tone of voice. And later on in the story, he should just be completely broken until he escapes. -Infinite should be a much more significant villain. For one, his ability to warp reality and create dimensions could have been used in a far more interesting way in terms of boss fights and story. And he definitely should have had a more complex backstory, and some kind of role in the final boss. -The cutscene quality and general visuals and presentation could have been slightly better. -Boosting shouldn't have been refilled by enemies. Instead, they could have used the blue orbs from Sonic Mania. They take up less space and probably allow for slightly better level design. -Enemies should have been much more diverse. Perhaps an actual threat at least. Enemies that chase you down, enemies that target shots, enemies that take a few more hits to beat, enemies that act as larger obstacles, etc. And that's all I can really think of.

[@gunman8452]

Some Kind of Democrat for the boost gauge they should use rings to re-fill it not blue orbs cause they are only special zones

[@TripleJump]

Some Kind of Democrat I don't want multiple characters. I want them to refine Boost Sonic and Boost Sonic alone.

[@CalebCraft10]

TripleJump They would all just behave like boost Sonic but with extra abilities that help maneuver certain obstacles better or uncover alternate routes.

[@cursedseeker1273]

Do you think they would Just make Sonic come back on The end?, Thats a good jock

[@pixelbit0897]

The oc's are fun to use because it's fun to see your self in a sonic game

[@TigerWolf111]

Remember when they actually bothered with trying to make a coherent story? Clearly, Sonic Team does not.

[@simonsophiemilliehellerich1106]

9:34 "And after all this time..." *"YOU'RE BACK FOR MORE."*

[@EpicGamer-nj3km]

To answer the question in the thumbnail: No. No they didn't

[@altimateguyz1016]

14:32 We interrupt sonic forces to bring star wars episode 4

[@froakie1404]

“Did they even try?” No, they didnt

[@Michaelwwest98]

Actually, Classic Sonic being from another dimension makes sense. The way time travel works in many works of fiction including Dragon Ball Z, when a character from the past interacts with any characters from the future, this creates a diverging timeline, or a second dimension. Modern Sonic never went through the events of Sonic Mania because Sonic Mania only happens to the version of Classic Sonic that met Modern Sonic in Sonic Generations.

[@mazkeraid4039]

If that’s the case, when and how the Phantom Ruby ended up in Angel Island.

[@Michaelwwest98]

@@mazkeraid4039 That’s never explained anywhere no matter what time travel logic you use, as a matter of fact it’s quite unrelated to the events of Sonic Generations which were kicked off by the Time Eater, another unexplained being that kinda just… exists and does weird stuff with time and space

[@gunman8452]

Just do everything Unleashed and Generations did right,and hire back everyone from the unleashed staff and generations level designers

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Ibrahim Ahmed but they work for nintendo now

[@deathegg9474]

Supposedly the team that worked on unleashed went to Nintendo and worked on breath of the wild. Sad because unleashed day stages were so awesomely fun

[@Hdubs44]

DeathEgg94 holy shit

[@caduceus3991]

DeathEgg94 Which of the 2 studios?

[@liamnigenda2849]

DeathEgg94 no wonder the game looked beautiful

[@SpeedBird6780]

And that's why you don't hire Graff and Pontac for a Sonic related thing.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

if either of them watch this video my life would be complete

[@xCoMiXx]

And that's also how you work as a TEAM, not leave out ONLY 3 NEW EMPLOYEES WHO HAVEN'T WORKED ON SONIC BEFORE, to make level designs for a NEW MODERN GAME after 4 YEARS.

[@Darkslayer1534]

they didnt write the game

[@xCoMiXx]

They are credited as writers in it.

[@mugs3608]

[POLYBLUES] they only translated it

[@ElectrikStatik900]

5:49 *_best part of this whole video_*

[@sanstheskelespook100yearsa9]

No this is 13:52

[@Mr_Gamer-Random]

Nahhh it's 1:37

[@RealTalkRicky]

Whenever someone asks me if Sonic Forces was good I send them this video. Well done sir.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

and thank you kind sir for sharring

[@thegamingjelly1719]

Oh, I've been waiting SO LONG to explain the 'another dimension' thing! From what I understand, from Generations, Classic Sonic's timeline split off from Modern Sonic's timeline, and it created a completely new alternate universe for Classic in which the events of Sonic Mania happen, while in Modern Sonic's timeline, it never happened.

[@KaiserShield]

Except the entire plot of generations crashes upon itself with that theory, and in no way, shape or form implys the creation of a alternate dimension over a alternate timeline.... That, and this was clearly done as a retcon so the classic sonic could have different adventures from modern down the line eventually.

[@thegamingjelly1719]

What I'm saying is that because Classic Sonic and Tails met their Modern counterparts, their history was changed, even if it was a slight change. Therefore, it would have made an alternate timeline. At least, I think that's what happened.

[@KaiserShield]

Which is reasonable, its the dimension bit that makes no sense and overall was just a poor decision on sonic teams part. Most likley they did this so they could have a excuse to double down on classic sonic in general, create new adventures, and not have to explain why new events are happening.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Or the writers pontac and graff just have no idea what they’re doing

[@Keurgui1]

A different point in time isn’t mutually exclusive from a different world Just look at DBZ

[@MrFusion]

So, technically wouldn't Classic Sonic be from a different dimension, considering the fact that Sonic would remember that this whole adventure happened. Same with Generations. Nah, the writers don't give a shit.

[@sling-b]

and it's weird considering the english writers of this game also wrote the english localisation for generations, i believe and the japanese version had classic sonic come from the past just lilke how it should've been hm

[@kira-dk2mx]

Your thumbnail...it's too good.

[@terpine8984]

Sonic mania had a better story..... *WITH NO DIALOGUE*

[@lpfan4491]

because a 2 is better than a -9999

[@jayfox8765]

0:44 The reason why Eggman's peeved at Sonic is because either the lazily written plot demands it *OR* because Sonic got Eggman banned from the Christian Minecraft server! Yeah, it's probably the second one!

[@dshaynietheawesome]

yeah probably that

[@constanzabestest]

Writers fucked up so hard it's not even meme worthy. It's not just Tails that got ruined by Sonic Team, Sonic himself is ruined too. Back in the day he was that cool and carefree dude who knew when to get serious but since Roger Craig Smith became his voice actor he never shuts up and constantly says cringe worthy one liners like freaking Bubsy and breaks the 4th wall for no reason other than le epic meme xD. Let me get back to Tails for a second, remember how his theme songs from Adventure/2 were about Tails wanting to be like Sonic? About working hard and believeing in himself? Yeah so we move many years in the future and it seems that his Adventure Theme Songs were nothing but a huge fucking lies because Tails Today is nothing like his Theme Song made us think he will be. Seriously fuck Sonic Team and their garbage writers man.

[@carlbloke8797]

Alibaba so true. This isn't even going including how they fucked up the other characters who do NEXT TO LITERALLY NOTHING

[@calebproductions1264]

This comment section is trash.

[@thekingslayer1831]

For Sonic Colors and Generations they hired people who had never played Sonic. As a matter of fact, the only other thing that they’ve done is Happy Tree Friends, which doesn’t even have dialogue. They literally went out of their way to get the worst writers they could.

[@carlbloke8797]

Russell Arrington except the writers in colors and generations actually wrote a competent story

[@thekingslayer1831]

Carl Bloke I’m pretty shocked those games’ story were as good as they were. The writing, though, wasn’t so great. Especially in Sonic Colors.

[@marche800]

The Phantom Ruby clearly has time an space manipulation power otherwise classic sonic wouldn't be here nor would Eggman be capable of making suck drastic changes to the world (like turning green hill into a desert) in such little time. It's also capable of out putting power strong enough to damage Super Sonic _without_ a power source. So I don't understand why they pretend that's it's only ability is to create real illusions. This story is dumb.

[@thatrandomorcaguy7511]

Yeah that makes sense and all. Of course that doesn’t get revealed in the story, cause they have to find some way to bring classic back.

[@amala1333]

Maybe mania And Forces are a hsllucination

[@Prinzherbert]

The "real illusions" thing makes sense. You saw that at the end of the game classic Sonic just disappears, and also in Sonic Mania you can see the image effect thing. It is like if it was "unlimited", infinite illusions for an infinite amount of time at the cost of a power source. They destroyed two power sources in Forces, the last boss had its own power source. So it is "real illusion", classic Sonic disappears without the power source. Obviously this means the desert would disappear in the end of the game. So the story makes a little of sense, not so dumb.

[@pikachuspartan1868]

The Phantom Ruby was able to knock the Super out of Super Sonic, tear a whole through time and space. This could've been a great plot device for the game. An artifact capable of besting even the Chaos Emeralds power. Instead... it's a power source. *Sigh* Sonic team... they waste a good character... and missed out on a good plot..

[@messiah1915]

Marche800: You were a little right about the super sonic thing ACCEPT, it didnt hurt him it split the EMERALDS from him

[@deadrisinfan29]

“Wait that’s it, well that’s disappointing” perfectly sums up this train wreck of a game

[@dshaynietheawesome]

hey um just want to clarify all the comments about mistake i made as well as stuff i missed and my crappy mic you do know i made a follow up video ages ago right? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqS7ppunnr6tr5Y

[@SomeGuyNotKnown]

dshaynie Please don't say offensive things in regards to Christianity.

[@jbroz_tv0138]

dshaynie No you got confused. The classic Sonic from generations is the younger version of Mordern Sonic. The Classic Sonic from Mania is an alternate Version from an Alternate universe and is the Classic Sonic we see in forces Cause of the Ruby teleporting him there at the end of Mania in one of the endings. But Mordern Sonic was unware of that. But it is questionable how Tails knew that?

[@jbroz_tv0138]

honestly i dont care Are you talking to me?

[@jbroz_tv0138]

honestly i dont care LMAO

[@nickloveswatching7916]

dshaynie This video is better than the game, and that’s just sad (Also I CAN’T get over the Punch Out part)

[@smoogieboogie1694]

Ah ah ah. Someone doesn't know their Sonic lore. Ahem... Donkey Kong clearly repaired Omega.

[@bruheffect6335]

Odd Gaming No it was gex you dum dum

[@calebproductions1264]

I don't get it.

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

He's referencing the 3ds version of Mario & Sonic where Omega appears stating that he was repaired by Donkey Kong. No joke!

[@jojoflap]

No comment on Tails saying "true dat?"

[@Mclovin_Mohammed]

I like how when Sega makes a Sonic game, it sucks. When Nintendo steps in, it is amazing.

[@Zepherl01]

?!?! Nintendo has never ever made a Sonic game. Even if you want to be a smartass and point out Mario & Sonic, even those games are made by SEGA. And no, Smash Bros does not count, unless you also want to say Smash is an F-Zero game, a Star Fox game, an Animal Crossing game, a Wii Fit game........

[@jakfrost574]

manrangan he meant making games in general, not just Sonic.

[@Zepherl01]

Jackeboy Oh, well in that case, Nintendo truly is great. They've got a flawless history in their library. Just look at Star Fox Zero, that game was fantastic.

[@jakfrost574]

manrangan listen bud, I know Nintendo isn’t a perfect company, they’ve made bad games, but what I meant to say was that Nintendo is a smarter company than Sega. And no I don’t think Nintendo making a Sonic game is the best course of action, I am kinda curious to see how it would turn out though. Also I’m not trying to say Mario is better than Sonic, that’s entirely subjective and your opinion may differ from mine and that’s ok. I didn’t mean to offend you or anybody else reading this comment, I was just expressing my opinion.

[@Zepherl01]

Fusion Star Fox Zero was only like what, 2 years ago though? l can give you the rest, but I didn't like Xenoblade 2 compared to the rest of the series.

[@StaggerNight]

That double boost / making a sandwich scene was golden

[@ClassicSonicSatAm]

Main problem with this game while it looks like a clone of Generations and colours (even ripping out the boss again, Lost World had it too ) None of the teams who worked on those two games worked on Forces making that trailer (Brought by the same people behind Colours and Generations ) a load of BS. alot people who did work on this haven't even done a Sonic game before, and even the hedgehog engine 2 seems like a modified version of the Lost World engine.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

I know that

[@pinballforlife7948]

ok not to sound like a dick but the hedge hog engine has nothing to do with gameplay only the graphics unless the 2.0 version or whatever now works with gameplay

[@YujiUedaFan]

"True dat". Anyway, my theory is that the bad guy was going to be Metal Sonic, because Amy says that Infinite was made by Eggman (Which we KNOW he was not). This game would have made more sense as a Sonic Heroes sequel anyway, what with the whole "power of three" thing and the Metal Sonic boss IN Forces being pretty forgettable. Not to mention Metal Sonic from the AU and "regular" Metal Sonic could have fought together to get revenge on Eggman and Sonic.

[@aiden4917]

so false advertising someone can charge them for that in fact i hope someone does.

[@Kimarnic]

Isnt the Hedgehog Engine just for lighting and graphics stuff?

[@toast4248]

It's safe to say that Mario won this rivalry by a longshot

[@JustABroom]

Theres no rivalry anymore. Mario is objectively better.

[@calebproductions1264]

This comment section is trash.

[@neisucksatlife5609]

im sad to admit it but sonic lost world literally copied mario..(Fire world, ice world, sand world, etc) Not to mention A RUN BUTTON and the final boss.....ugh.

[@calebproductions1264]

SuperYoshiFan10090 Studios fuck off, nobody likes you.

[@calebproductions1264]

Neither_Whale_Gamer the mario galaxy series ripped off gimmicks from Sonic Adventure 2.

[@thekyle919]

It's so difficult to take the arguments of anteriors games and do one with a bit of coherency? I mean, how Sonic Team can fk up all they just created time ago? Anyone isn't usefull there, just for speak, and always introducing Sonic Classic, just why?! Leave Sonic Classic alone with Sonic Mania...

[@beymaster531]

this game had like 3 game designers...2 of em are new to the industry.

[@thatrandomorcaguy7511]

its amazing how sonic team chose the best level designers to make levels to a 3d sonic game that is meant to revive sonic and is that "supposedly" is being made by the same people as generations and colors........ one level designed lost world and the others are noobs.... that is by far the stupidest decision i have ever heard

[@carlbloke8797]

ThatRandomGamer Guy couldn’t agree more

[@emmetth3726]

It was Donkey Kong that made the necessary repairs for Omega. Look it up

[@M0D776]

what the heck?

[@Smashlander]

Wh-What?

[@xAustishx]

Lol

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

Emmett H DK must've watched Rick and Morty.

[@mynegaims]

No this happens in Mario and sonic Olympic Games. DK fixes a broken omega.

[@bibepomp]

So all the games are labelled canon, yet the writers can't find time to write and even look back on their sources properly to make a good game.

[@Crouch_Gob]

I think the writers couldn’t come up with a way to get rid of this insanely powerful character, so they just made him disappear. Lazy!

[@channelofanimationsz]

"They are no humans in the game" Eggman:I'm joke to you?

[@75JUNAKI]

Humans from SA1 & SA2 and World Adventrue: ........so the games aren’t cannon?

[@bakedbeans5494]

@@75JUNAKI Sonic Forces took place on a seperate island populated by anthropomorphic animals.