How Sonic Forces Ruined the Concept of Hype

[@NNCReviews]

I want to stress that this video is NOT a review for the game. This video is purely reminding the community as to why Sonic Forces was a disappointment to many fans, because I think a lot of people nowadays forget what made this game so disappointing

[@Ashly-28]

i dont think sonic fans need to be reminded how bad forces is

[@NNCReviews]

@@Ashly-28 and there lies the problem. Forces wasn’t bad by any stretch of the imagination, it’s just okay.

[@colecole640]

You forgot super mario odyssey when yiu were listing all those great games I the beginning 😐😐😐😐😐😐

[@NNCReviews]

@@colecole640 I lumped all of nintendo as one, because if I listed every Nintendo game of 2017, we would be here all day

[@mrmelonman2893]

​@@NNCReviewsa boring game is worse than a bad game. A game is supposd to be entertain the player and if it fails to do so its a bad game. Forces is a bad game

[@Wippipippi]

Most people consider Colors and Lost World the poster-children of the "meta era" when its really Forces because if you think about it the game comes off as a parody of the series itself. They marketed as return to the edgy dark story-telling, with its post-war setting, return of "fan favorite characters like Chaos and Shadow only for them to be executed or hand-waved in 1 minute cutscene, but ensure that you fight ZAVOK of all of them an overly edgy new villian that rivals Cold-Steel that talks a big gime while being absolute fodder, on-top of letting you self insert your fan-character for Sonic to treat like the special kid at the lunch table, culminating in this insulting wet fart of mediocre game called Sonic Forces, its the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of fans which is why there is so much distrust within the fanbase itself nowadays.

[@tibiademon9157]

Forces is whatever the opposite of a love letter to the fans is. It’s a flaming bag of shit on the fans’ porch.

[@treyvonishere4375]

When they lower the price to $40 before launch that’s a dead giveaway of a games quality

[@djmeagaaim17]

Shadow being in the villain line up in the trailer was dead giveaway of the games quality.

[@Zaio531]

@@djmeagaaim17Classic Sonic returning was a dead giveaway of the game’s quality

[@infina-phoenix2076]

Cybershell casually predicting future advice.

[@BreetonBoi]

Sonic Forces me to abandon my sense of hype. This was a great video!

[@SonicHorizonFrontiers]

Hey! i recognize you from tiktok. Weird seeing you here on such an obscure channel

[@SonicHorizonFrontiers]

And idk about abandoning hype I was pretty hype for the final horizon, sonic dream team and im now hype for sonic x shadows generations(even tho I think shadows part of the game should be sold separately) I mean , it was 5 years ago and sonics been thriving since then, I assumed we all just got over it🤷

[@captainmega6310]

​@@SonicHorizonFrontiers,what he probably means is that he won't be as blindly hyped by a sonic again

[@Omega-jg4oq]

Lmao.. Remember how Hype the trailers were, we thought it's gonna be a Masterpiece genius story that has the coolest villains ☠️

[@MakriaMicronation]

2017 was peak gaming, despite sonic forces. We got sonic mania, mario odyssey, the nintendo switch, cuphead, bendy and the ink machine, legend of zelda BOTW, splatoon 2, mario kart 8 deluxe, south park fractured but whole, lego worlds, lego marvel superheroes 2, and little nightmares!

[@ObmonialDivinitu]

Hopefully one year we will get the same treatment as 2017

[@charlieasalgadosalgado1369]

2017 felt like a big year for pretty much everyone in existence I’m not joking It felt like a whole movie

[@infiltrate6807]

Persona 5, Xenoblade 2

[@gamemaster2819]

So interesting thing about two worlds: The word used for world, Sekai, is actually pretty generic. It doesn't strictly mean planet. It can mean something as big as a universe or as small as a society. This is what Iizuka was basically saying. The human world and the animal world as in the human society and the animal society. But the translator (who to be fair, was translating him live at an event) said world, and that was enough to set the Sonic fanbase ablaze. As for Classic Sonic, in a lot of Japanese fiction involving time travel, they tend to use sekai to refer to different time periods as well (in Japanese 06, he always refers to the future as miraisekai - future world, not just the future). The Sonic series itself uses this in Silver's games as well. "He's responsible for destroying my world!" - Silver "I have to save your world, or mine will be destroyed, too!" - Silver "No, I should be thanking you. You helped to save our world, too." - Espio The Forces one is less forgivable, since they had way more than 10 seconds to translate it, but for whatever reason, they settled on dimension. So yeah...we have a fanbase angry at choices by Sega....because of bad translation and literal thinking

[@TheSultan1470]

I mean, inoptimal translation is a Sanic staple. The people in charge of localization are paid to translate, not understand the story. Would you care about properly translating Farces?

[@captainmega6310]

Interesting! The more you know.

[@rainbow_vader]

There needs to be an entry made on Urban Dictionary under "mid" where it's just a picture of this game, and the example sentences are just corny ahh lines from the game

[@OrangeToadGamer]

Sonic Forces honestly taught me to tamper my expectations towards games I'm excited for and not just blindly be hype

[@leviticusprime4904]

Imma say this, 06 is better than force because at the very least 06 tried to do something great even though it crashed and broke its neck. Forces on the other hand is mis as fuck. Its not funny bad like shadow or 06, its just empty bad.

[@Kooky95]

At least forces works

[@xbgsheikiii3593]

@@Kooky95it works so well you only need a button to play it!

[@syweb2]

7:10 You actually only fight half of the characters. You never fight Shadow either, he's also dispatched in a cutscene. 12:40 Mood. I was so delusional for the weeks or months after Forces came out and I played it.

[@terencemcfadden7466]

The custom OC thing is the one thing from forces I hope comes back (with big revisions of course)

[@justarandomsonicoc8740]

A bit if a hot take here but sonic prime did a much better job at showing a world taken over by egg man and had a better war scene than forces did

[@mazkeraid4039]

While I find Sonic Prime a step up, I couldn't help but feel like they only use Green Hill as a setpiece despite the fact that it's part of South Island...

[@superiggykoopa3997]

Prime is like forces wasted potential but I give prime this it at least show how threatening eggman can be but falls flat cause of awful characterization awful pacing,and of course the chaos council being annoying characters and makes you question how these 5 idiots took over the entire world

[@charmyzard]

No contest. Those were the best part.

[@TheSultan1470]

...Prime happened?

[@justarandomsonicoc8740]

@@TheSultan1470 yes and no, it’s sort of like a sonic 06 situation, because at the end of prime when sonic fixes everything it shows that he clearly remembers the events that happened and was even going to tell his friends what happened before he got interrupted at the end. Some people are debating if shadow remembers what happened but I think he does cause he did go out of his way to hide the prism

[@isaiahthechristiangamer8716]

Dude, just wanna say, great video. 14:15 I love how you’ve mentioned the hype surrounding the games here. I definitely think that it’s good to be excited about a game while staying discipline and having an open mind instead of having too much expectation, I’ll always have that mindset when approaching a new game reveal.

[@SuperSonic68]

Forces is such a polished game because it scarcely lets itself BE a video game. It's difficult to have glitches when the player doesn't get to control the characters.

[@thealandude9146]

Sonic fans when they walk down an alleyway

[@HarryPRO-xp3nl]

i cant believe you started to talk about beyblade burst god in a sonic video-

[@NNCReviews]

Welcome to NNC Reviews

[@natelederp]

Beyblade burst is the Best

[@ToonyTalesX]

Didn’t really ruin the hype for me though. I was 10 going on 11 in 2017 when the Forces release cycle was happening and despite what everyone had been saying at the time, I was still more hyped for Forces than I was for Mania. In fact it was one of my first Switch games when I got it for Christmas in 2017. And despite the fact that I managed to beat the game in one sitting, I still enjoyed what I played and it’s actually one of my most played games on my Switch. And even all these years later I don’t really hate or even dislike Forces all that much. It’s a fine Sonic game imo.

[@NNCReviews]

That’s a good perspective.

[@Multi-fandomEldingArum]

I definitely think that we shouldn’t let the hype we get for products get carried away. For a lot of stuff now, I go in with low expectations for anything, even if I’m excited for it. Like, when Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 was coming out, everyone was super excited, and after the game came out, the excitement stayed for about a week or two, and now I just see a lot of people hating on the game (not everyone, of course). Like, I get that some people will be disappointed, and some of the complaints I do get, but some of them I just don’t. While I am excited for Sonic X Shadow Generations, I’m keeping my expectations low. Good video.

[@masterreece1098]

tbh i didn't really see the problem with forces when it first came out, but as i got older i kinda saw where all the criticism came from, the game had a good concept it was just executed kinda poorly

[@Wolfstar73]

That's how I felt too when I first got forces. I have a soft spot for the game because it is the first mainline Sonic game I've played, but I absolutely understand how poorly it was done.

[@NKL3085]

It was the final straw after years, if not decades of games with baffling design decisions. Sonic team finally had something decent going with generations and they scrap it all for a shoddy proof of concept in lost world, then they tried to make a boost game out of that engine because just making "generations with more stages" in the first place made too much sense

[@leonardowynnwidodo9704]

Same here. If it were between 06 and Forces, I’d rather watch the latter burn. At least 06 has more to show even if people say it’s bad.

[@thelittleal1212]

I’ve never played it, but from what I’ve seen from the gaming and advertising, it’s pretty clear it wanted to be tried the next big thing at the same level like Mario odyssey or other recent big Videogames that are meant to celebrate their legacy. But the end product just feels so Underwhelming, which is a shame, cause I can see what it could have been. But it seems poor direction took over, and all mixed with a lower budget really doesn’t help either

[@ninjanate5018]

Not to mention the game was severely rushed out the door with a single year of actual development

[@thelittleal1212]

@@ninjanate5018 ye I can definitely see that

[@Safalmao]

2:53 whats wrong with light of hope? you could say it doesn't fit, but its a great song, reminds me of you're my hero and sonic r songs tbh.

[@NNCReviews]

Yeah so I was definitely over exaggerating there, I actually do like the song, it’s just within the context of the game that makes me.. not like it as much

[@toonman5099]

8:34 - 8:45 For clarification, Eggman doesn't specifically say "I disbanded G.U.N." he only says he "put them in their place." Which can easily just mean he kept any G.U.N. resistance at bay. Not to mention recent stuff has pointed to the fact that it's still around.

[@AubreyTheKing]

It's okay to be excited for a upcoming video game or a movie! Just be sure to stay a bit optimistic. Or you will be disappointed when it finally comes out.

[@merideri]

sonic forces me to never get excited over sonic games ever again also hey, finally someone who has the same viewpoint on this game. it truly was everything critics back in the 2000s thought sonic games were in that era. boost to win, useless friends, milktoast story, aggressively mediocre etc. etc.

[@NNCReviews]

Exactly. Forces is exactly what the internet thinks the boost games are actually like

[@roobe3501]

I will never forget the feeling of utter disappointment I felt when Silver got cooked in seconds. I was SO HYPE to see him finally come back, since he’s my favorite Sonic character, and we actually get to see him fight?! THIS IS GONNA BE SO CO- oh.

[@joshuatokosi]

1:37 2017 was so stacked

[@LimitlessXform]

Sonic Forces to Me was a Lesson, To Control My Hype For Any Game, Especially after the First Trailer.

[@evdestroy5304]

I would consider a game that makes you feel literally nothing bad. The reason there are no glitches in Forces is because there's barely any game to break. Beyond that, nothing about Forces screams "polish."

[@NNCReviews]

I would argue forces *is* polished considered classic and custom characters stages are perfectly fine and playable when it comes to glitches Polished doesn’t necessarily mean good

[@evdestroy5304]

@NNCReviews "Playable" does not mean polished. Compare Forces to something like Mario Odyssey and the difference is obvious.

[@NNCReviews]

@@evdestroy5304not really. Forces is smooth, plays well, there’s no hiccups, and for what it is, it works. It’s the level design and other issues that hold it back. Idk if you played forces recently or not

[@InsaneEnergy]

@@NNCReviews "forces is polished" mfers when i show them classic sonic physics (it just works)

[@chandelight59]

Okay.... Sonic Forces was my first Sonic game ever, and I loved it.

[@aeon-pingxpong4842]

3:20 I would say the game IS just horrible. The story can't take itself seriously and is written as a Mickey Mouse morning cartoon, you can beat the entire game in an hour by holding forward + boost, the custom characters look ugly, the writing and dialogue is so cringeworthy it's not even funny, in the first cutscenes they already destroyed Tails' character of a heroic underdog that was established in SA2, the villain is the worst in the entire series (He's literally just Z Broly's backstory but even worse), the boss designs are ugly, the stages are boring and flat out bad game design, the music is ass, the villain holograms do nothing even though that was almost the main focus in the marketting, the game looked bad, I could go on and on. Quite literally everything is below average, not painfully average. (In my opinion.) At least 06 has a great villain, some of the most interesting story and conceptual gameplay designs with 3 different character storymodes, and the writing attempts to take itself seriously. Forces mignt be the 2nd worst Sonic game ever made, in the past, present, and in the future. It's your opinion, but believing the game is just average but not horrible is definitely the vocal minority.

[@Tromite]

Thanks for this! To me, Sonic Forces is way overhated. On the other hand, it's also kinda hard to defend. But I'm certain that if it had not come out after the other boost games, which unarguably are better, it would have been a lot better received, though probably not a masterpiece or anything. For one, it has similar level design to SA2 for modern Sonic, and Secret Rings also follows that straight line QTE-like structure, and even base Frontiers took that QTE-based linear design and just scattered them around it's open zones. One thing that it deserves credit for is its lack of padding; it's just a short, unsatisfying game. Most other 3D Sonic games have some alternative gameplay style that is slower and isn't really Sonic to pad out the runtime, and in this case, it's classic Sonic, except it's less good and Generations also did that, but much better. But I don't think Forces is souless, lazy or mediocre even. It had a generally good premise to build from, but it was very poorly executed, though I do think the notion of Sonic being tortured in prison is a fundamentally flawed idea for the story. I think the devs really tried to make this good, as they put all the main villains in there, and they set up the backgrounds for each level quite well generally, and I really like the menu and HUD, as it feels very Soviet and Nazi Germany and gives the game a distinct identity along with the style of music. But it's let down sorely by the low-budget presentation, poor writing, and lack of challenge or even variety in gameplay. But as short as the levels are, they can be quite enjoyable to repeatedly time attack, including the DLC and extra levels, even though the boost feels nerfed and not very fast or satisfying than in many other boost games. Also, at least the story was less filled with unfunny jokes and tried to be more serious. It is also quite polished, so it doesn't reach any lows, but it doesn't also reach any highs, so it plays it quite safe. But yeah, I had fun with this one. I think it's better than a lot of other Sonic games, including SA1 and SA2! It feels like a missed Generations sequel, as it's not very original with its zones, but i do like some of the remixes like Death Egg Zone, which Generations didn't have, and that Forest Casino level! And hey, at least they put sand in Green Hill to make it look different...so it's....guess what?....SAND HILL! So you know, some creativity there. Plus the avatar is the one degining aspect of this game which I really like and really hope it'll come back, though it's a shame the avatar doesn't talk, as it feels like it's supposed to represent some forgotten lost buddy of Sonic who tried to come back and save the Resistance. Just imagine if it had the gameplay and levels of Generations, how great it would have been! But I'm honestly quite interested for those who grew up with this game on how they feel about it. Because the difference between this game and the 'Dark Age' games is that they unarguably were more ambitious, and so had greater scope and spectacle and budget, and so were more memorable to those who played them as kids, but would kids at around 10 years old or less have thought this was the greatest product ever when they played it? But then again, when you are a kid at that age, usually everything is good for you! But I'd go as far as to say that it's better than both Adventure games.

[@dragonick2947]

I have beef with the avatar creator in Sonic Forces because apparently they cut out dragons from the species list in favour of bears 😔

[@TheSultan1470]

Ehhh I get that. SEGA are focused more on mammals. It is more sensible

[@Mohamed58290]

2:09 this song bro 😮‍💨

[@snakey888]

One would think that we'd learn that hyping up games is a bad idea since ET for Atari, along with countless of other disappointing examples from there until present time. But no, people are as of this moment still hyping up games like Generations remaster to high levels, as if nothing was learned.

[@AdamWright-t7w]

Based

[@theoneandonlysessy]

Brilliant video! You nailed my feelings down exactly. The game was so painfully average that you walk away feeling nothing after completion, no sense or achievement at all. So unfortunate they fumbled what could have been an amazing finale and powerful reoccurring villain. Regardless it was enough for Sega to realize change was necessary. Can't wait to see what you have in store next!

[@NNCReviews]

Thank you! That means a lot. And yeah, it’s a shame because I really do want to love it, but I just can’t

[@toopienator]

"In my 8 or 9 play through I haven't encountered a single glitch" I clipped through the world on my second playthrough. It was in the latter part of the game, a modern sonic stage. I don't feel like checking rn tho Also clipped through the walls in stage 28 for some reason. Not as polished as you say it is.

[@NNCReviews]

Mario odyssey is broken because I fell through the floor

[@toopienator]

@NNCReviews I never said Sonic Forces was broken. It's just not polished like you said it was And for a game with barely any actual game, me clipping out of bounds twice in the same playthrough (just recently btw, 7 years later) is embarrassing as fuck. And yes that means I haven't touched this game in 7 years. It's that bad to me.

[@SaddieMoon]

9:05 The two worlds thing could’ve worked if they just established that after Gens, a split timeline was created. Which also allows more Classic Sonic games and stories to be made without them conflicting with the Modern titles.

[@ajbanimatedstudios5014]

Heh~ we both came up with the same headcanon for classic going from past to dimentional. Heheh... heh... Help.

[@darienfc]

Bro that shit is pure facts I remember it like it was yesterday I got more hype from the trailer than I did the actual game. I was extremely excited when the trailer first came out cuz we finally had a sonic game after years then when the game got fully released it was such a disappointment..

[@Itzjora23]

6:28 i thought it was just me, like classic sonic is heavy asf

[@Kookie_13_]

9:08 nuh uh they’re translation errors (i think)

[@Jackalmercenary-t7y]

8:36 WHEN WAS THIS ESTABLISHED! Eggman taking down G.U.N since when I don’t remember this

[@lightdarksoul2097]

This game really makes me believe the two worlds thing sonic people believe since yeah Gun wouldn't have fallen so easily and no humans in this are seen

[@Jackalmercenary-t7y]

@@lightdarksoul2097 it’s funny too cause “supposably” they exist in the same world which makes no fucking sense cause if that was the case then G.U.N should’ve played a much more bigger role in forces

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@Jackalmercenary-t7y i think since adventure and sonic x people don't know what kind of world sonic lives in especially after 06 and unleashed

[@CurtindoAqueleDrama]

12:50 whats happened to this review?

[@NNCReviews]

Unlisted on my other channel. I may put it up again for history sake

[@pinhe4d321]

9:40 He IS Sonic from alt dimension, cause Time Eater messing up with the time just created another timeline.

[@czms922]

I remember recording this game day 1 and just glazing my ah off to make this game seem intresting. My ex believed my glazing and got the game herself... What have I done

[@HourOfFun]

5:18 the transiction

[@MyStellarSpace]

This is for real though, I was super excited for this game, I pre-ordered it and 100%ed it in like a week or so, but it felt wrong, since then I have not pre-ordered any game ever

[@rednessgod5729]

Still getting all the chaos emeralds in lost world

[@Peerless_bear0.edits12]

Without sonic forces, no sonic idw

[@NNCReviews]

Even more reasons to hate forces

[@Peerless_bear0.edits12]

​@@NNCReviews nah i like sonic idw

[@Ilikesceptile11]

About the bossfight part, you were kinda wrong there, since you don't fight shadow too

[@kcculla]

The only evidence we got that Eggman took over the world was a progress bar, and we just undid that. Unleashed alr kinda did this plot too except in that game the fucking world broke apart and we got to put it all back together.

[@fabio__reis]

Forces was below mid, not terrible, just dog water bad, I guess our standards as Sonic fans were so low that anything "not horrendous" felt at least "average"

[@CATCHanSHOOT]

I honestly haven’t watched the video yet and that’s mad harsh to say about a video game. Hype entirely is just RUINED. 😂😂Not gonna watch the video, although I hope the click and comment helps.🖤

[@cloudshines812]

Sonic Forces Kingdom Hearts III Cyberpunk 2077 Starfield *The hypest games that ended up mid starter pack*

[@blacklisted-d2h]

Cyberpunk ended up much better though, especially now.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Kh3 gave a pretty good ending to the story

[@DrhpJerhtun]

i cant remember any songs from forces say for fistbump infinites even got replaced with catacuacemun (i most certainly misspelled that)

[@NNCReviews]

Space port

[@DrhpJerhtun]

@@NNCReviews isnt that a stage

[@Jaredragon]

"everyone except chaos" what about shadow?

[@rabbidinho]

... And that is why i felt like Pikmin 4 was incomplete.

[@darudesandstrom1067]

You was a kid at the time so I can understand your point of view, but I think most adults who watched the reveal and then buildup for this game knew it was gonna bomb hard. Classic sonic getting announced was the first red flag, and then the first gameplay trailers all but confirmed that we was in for a bad time. I didn’t actually even play the game until 2020 and even then only because it was cheap as hell by that time. I can understand parents buying this for their kids but I can’t imagine anyone working a full time job would have gone out and bought this haha

[@miadatenshi9903]

3:32 Ehh the controls are terrible, I highly doubt the game would be polished if they couldn't even get the controls right

[@NNCReviews]

how is it terrible?

[@miadatenshi9903]

@@NNCReviews you're kidding right? You yourself said Classic Sonic sucks. About Sonic and the avatar, the turning is all wrong and does not work for curves, they go automatically top speed and feel like you can barely move to the sides. The double jump is useless. It's a very restrictive control scheme

[@NNCReviews]

@@miadatenshi9903 I definitely agree on classic, and I’m not saying there’s not any issues with the control, I just don’t think it’s truly awful or anything. You can have your opinion and I can have mine

[@miadatenshi9903]

@@NNCReviews the game needed and required more development time. Just because it doesn't have bugs doesn't mean it's 100% polished

[@NNCReviews]

@@miadatenshi9903 never said it was 100% polished lol I’m giving credit where credit is due

[@removehandlesplease]

hey, hey, hey do NOT insult light of hope like that, it's not a bad song it is, however, a song that would play in high school musical

[@NNCReviews]

As I said in the video, it’s a good song just not in the context of sonic forces

[@KrullerAX]

This is an amazing analysis. I subscribe

[@fonsales5373]

0:40 bruh. I was just 12. Am I really that young in this fandom?

[@Mike-di3mo]

Nice to see a video saying sonic forces is just medicore not the next spawn of sonic boom

[@Bakino0]

As if the hand full of games before forces (excluding mania) didn't already teach that lesson

[@gfsdfsdf6546]

My only issue with the "Alternate timeline" argument for Classic Sonic is... This game has him sharing screentime with Silver, and these 2 together are a walking contradiction because they both follow a completely different time travel theory. (Change the past and you create a different timeline vs Change the past and you'll change the future too) Personally, my biggest take-away to explain everything is that, in Generations, Sonic does forget about green hill, since it was way too long ago for him, so eventually so did Classic Sonic by the time he got to the point of reliving Generations himself.

[@NNCReviews]

I can see that. I always assumed silvers timeline remained the same after 06 (considering we don’t see it afterwards), so I figured it would apply the same for classic sonic.

[@gfsdfsdf6546]

@@NNCReviews It's weird cuz 06 is inconsistent with that, they talk a lot about how past changes future but we don't see Silver's changed future. But then the game does end with traveling to the past and changing the timeline. And Colors DS and IDW elaborated that Silver's future is good now (except that one time Forces happened, don't ask how his timeline got randomly affected when it was fine prior to it, is he just unaffected by time travel?)

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I don't agree especially since in this game it's obvious that Classic is his own universe now as Sonic doesn't remember anything in Mania or remember meeting himself.

[@gfsdfsdf6546]

@@lightdarksoul2097 "Obviously" and it's a headcanon because Sonic clearly nods to his modern counterpart and comes straight outta Mania's good ending.

[@reggielacey2235]

i liked forces for what it is

[@NNCReviews]

I agree with you. I enjoy the game too

[@whybother5741]

Mhm, yep, all this seems to be in orde- 2:52 I’ll fight you.

[@windy3935]

Really great video, but Silver did do stuff in games after S06.

[@mysteryperson1958]

Anyone who says sonic forces is one of the worst games of all time or the worst game they've ever played..... You have never played a truly bad game. EVER! Sonic forces is the definition of mediocre. It warrants no praise nor malice.

[@NNCReviews]

Which is what the video is about!

[@mcscrooge1965]

Agreed

[@SonicDBZfan]

Was it bad that this was my first 3D Sonic game? I grew up playing S1, 2, 3, and K until I got a Switch in 2018 then got Forces a few months later. I liked it at first because I didn't understand how much worse it was from some of the other 3D Sonic games. Now coming back to this game after playing Frontiers and Generations, now I can see where the hate for this game came from.

[@KyndlingStoneCB]

Sonic X Shadow Generations is something I AM hyped for. And people will probably call me an idiot for saying that I trust SEGA this time. If Shadow Gens is only 6 levels long and 2 acts each that are as long as the gameplay we saw, Im all for it.

[@KyndlingStoneCB]

Also, Forces is so mid that it’s bad. Shadow (a game that I actually enjoy a lot) & 06 were confident in what they were doing. But sort of had their steps in the wrong direction. (06 more than Shadow) and I’d prefer a game overambitious rather than under-ambitious and playing it safe like cowards. Sonic was always known to take chances. Everyone can point to games they like, good or bad. But Forces is such a nothing game that THAT is what makes it a terrible experience. Forces is worse than 06.

[@Kookie_13_]

5:28 nope it’s easy the boost moves you forward so you can steer fully to the left and it works every time

[@Dreamcast1999]

Am I the only one who knows how to boost around that corner kn Metropolitan Highway...? I honestly blame Sonic Team for taking away the drift.

[@NNCReviews]

If you can I will feel like the worlds biggest idiot for not knowing all these years LMAO

[@Dreamcast1999]

@@NNCReviews You literally can lol, dunno if you HAVE to hold forward, but I just do a Frontiers and fully hold the stick left (And make sure you're like, close to the middle of the road/path), but I can understand why people never knew about this lol, shit is WACK.

[@mavrickindigo]

11:28 is sonic rivals a joke to you?

[@NNCReviews]

Kinda

[@charmyzard]

I blame Sonic Forces for my eventual interest on map games (HOI4) brainrot and my fall into forbidden history/ pol. Honestly, to those still seeking *the* fill to this day, I recommend "World in Conflict" (at least the cutscenes story after Soviet Assault,) and the "East vs. West" (cancelled HOI game) soundtrack collection. They add up to EVERYTHING Forces promised to be 🔥😊

[@Sonix_Hedgehunk]

Great video. Actual good criticism. 👍

[@MegadriveMaster.]

love your content!

[@CyberRaze11]

Man you going through the bullet points for this game literally brought back how mad I was when I bought n played this lol. I personally think this is worse than 06 in my opinion

[@NNCReviews]

I actually have fun when I play this game to be honest. same with 06

[@Cool-fr8dv]

Theres a Forces level in Sonic x Shadow Generations thats 4 times longer than the stage its based on.

[@SaddieMoon]

2:50 What bad song at the credits? All I hear is peak. 11:43 Ah, I see.

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

15:01 just like sonic mania like people just see this game overrated at some point like they don't think the game is peak or special anymore.

[@sonicmeerkat]

honestly the dread of the reveal information just made me lose more and more hope until i finally got the game and, felt nothing playing it, i did try for some of the red ring stages in hopes they'd be fun extra challenges like other unlockable levels are in games but they honestly had even worse gameplay, the loss in momentum from the double jump became blatantly obvious, such a weak jump made it not even give much vertical so using it was basically suicide. even during the main campaign, during the duo missions i would always use the wispon attack to get the oc in front because sonics turning is so ass. i admittedly never played the shadow dlc because i brought the american version because the switch was region free, turns out it's only semi region free you cannot download dlc or redeem codes from other regions which is a bit of a piss take, missed out on my preorder bonus. but yeah forces has semented my cautious approach, going into fronteirs i stayed entirely blind, i didn't even know about the other open zones so when i thought the game was over after the first super fight, i was pleasantly surprised by 5 islands in total, even if one of them is basically clickbait lol. superstars i was a bit more excited for but i'll be honest bit burnt out on the classic style, i've played advance, the original 4, mania, generations so i've had my fare share of the playstyle nowadays. but even then fuck the bosses drag. i played all the way up to the final boss in trips campaign and after suffering the final boss once, i didn't wanna deal with a second one especially with the knowledge of the 8 minute slog in the final story. but that said i was content with superstars as a whole, the levels were fine and it had a substantial amount of content which is all i really needed to have a fun time.

[@RaiPiez]

This game was one of the first games I remember being extremely hyped for, along with games like pokemon sun and moon. I was into sonic and i played the adventure games, generations, wathced outside content. but it was the first time I was around for the games release and was SO excited. then it came out and i felt exactly the same as you, empty. It sucked, one of trhe first games ive ever been dissapointed by

[@TurboBossGaming]

The game is polished and well made, but so dreadfully boring and short, that i honestly prefere sonic 06 to forces, i at least had fun with it, and u could tell they tried, however forces it felt like they just through out there once everything looked good.

[@rayyanfarooqi2167]

You know if Shadow Gens was Sonic forces then A. The fucking level wouldnt have lasted five-six minutes (since pros like Fadel and Choctopus played it) and B. The level would have ended after Shadow punched and kicked that missile

[@NNCReviews]

It’s so true

[@RaiginAnimator]

Definitely I think it’s looks closer to frontiers cyberspace (not the controls) Than forces which is both a good and a bad thing But genuinely looks really fun

[@gameman5804]

@@RaiginAnimator I disagree, I actually think it looks closer to Forces in terms of gameplay only it’s a lot more refined, which I hope this is what they stick with in the future. It looks like a good balance between Boost and Adventure in terms of Controls and Level Design while retaining a more cinematic and storytelling element Forces Attempted to do.

[@leonardowynnwidodo9704]

Imo what makes Shadow Gens have a more Forces aspect, besides the animations, is that the levels have more emphasis on platforming than on speed. This is what’s missing in recent games

[@RaiginAnimator]

@@leonardowynnwidodo9704 But it’s a platformer And so did gens Besides what do you mean by speed? Like just straight boosting while reaching to obscalses or shortcuts

[@ghostspider2056]

Silver’s last notable gameplay was actually the Rivals series.

[@princyninan7672]

yeh

[@NNCReviews]

In other words, silvers last main role was 06

[@princyninan7672]

@@NNCReviews nuh uh

[@baggelissonic]

Em, the 2 world thing was about there being a world with animal like creatures(sonic forces) and a world with humans (Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Unleashed). It has nothing to do with classic sonic and modern sonic.

[@sethmushambavanhu8391]

didn't you like...make a tweet about this?

[@NNCReviews]

Yeah, to advertise my video

[@sethmushambavanhu8391]

@@NNCReviews no I mean before this lol

[@BrisketSurge]

The best part of this game is the IDW comics. Then again I’d be enjoying an issue until they mention Eggman taking over the world.

[@PaperAiden]

Yeah i do believe sonic forces is under the category of "trainwreck" The game is not really polished, with really clunky movement, the reason the game feels "polished" is because the game does everything in its power to just not have you play it, because it just has no level design. The game was just a big nothingburger.

[@NNCReviews]

The game is very automated, I will say that, but have you actually played forces?

[@PaperAiden]

@@NNCReviews Um yea? Thats nice instead of trying to disprove any of my points, your just like... "erm, did you akshally play the game???? ☝️🤓" Internet Gaming Discussion is my favorite

[@TheSultan1470]

Your mom ate a nothingburger then gave birth to yououuuu

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Beyblade Burst God, good times.

[@NNCReviews]

Beyblade X doesn’t hit as hard

[@ZachaRicO]

Your experience of this game sounds pretty similar to my own. I had to gaslight myself into thinking this game was good because I desperately wanted it to be good.

[@Max-oi5ny]

I remember buying this game because I was and still am a big sonic fan but I lost the chip to this game and now I’m glad I lost it don’t wanna play slop

[@darienfc]

You nailed it perfectly forces was a extreme disappointment, the problems with forces is simple; the plot was mid story could’ve been better, we should’ve had more boss fights, levels are too short, the game was too short beat it in 2 hours.

[@Axxidous]

Have you and I interacted before?

[@NNCReviews]

maybe? can't say I remember

[@Axxidous]

@@NNCReviews Was just wondering because you mentioned Neo Classic Sonic, a term I use and try to make known but don't hear others use really. Maybe someone does, but I just never hear it. And the aspects I point out about it is the same as what you referred to as a theory. I've had a minority of people I've talked to about it mention they perceived it as untrue for this reason and that, so I was under the impression that maybe we'd discussed this topic before on opposing conclusions. Regardless, it's a fine video overall, even if I don't completely agree on that one aspect. But at this point, it's inconsequential.

[@rednessgod5729]

I am the tallest of mountains

[@Catohat52]

Sonic forces is my favorite sonic game 🙂

[@Mohamed58290]

Ok weird but ok I like the game but I wouldn’t say it’s the best maybe you didn’t try the better ones to me its a barely good and only because i like sonic if i wasn’t a sonic fan it would have been terrible but i respect your opinion and i can understand because this game has allot of things to like

[@HaughtyToast]

Silver was in the Rivals games, Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity, Sonic Free Riders, Lost World DS, Runners, and was a boss in both versions of Generations prior to this. Lets stop pretending like he hadn't done anything since Sonic 06. Most of the events in these games are canon.

[@leonardowynnwidodo9704]

I feel you man. I am probably the same age as you, since you said you were 15 back in 2017 and I also turned 15 that year, and I was also hyped over Forces after watching the trailer. However, seeing the demo completely shattered all my hopes and dreams, especially since the level was very short; stiff camera shifts from 3D to 2D; very stiff gameplay and physics ; and especially Sonic has a new redesign (shorter quills with a lighter shade of blue). He was already perfect when we saw his Unleashed design, and now you’re redesigning him to be a Modern/Classic hybrid? What’s wrong with you? I’m not just stopping at Forces here. Fast forward to 2021, we saw the trailer for Frontiers and was mid-hyped after the Forces fiasco, and my mind went blank when I saw Sonic’s idle animation (it looked exactly the same as Forces). Then when the game came out, the team still used every aspect of Forces from his new design to terrible physics and animations. On the other hand, the concept of an open zone is still very interesting and I do love to see Sonic exploring the Starfall Islands and seeing his combat moves(Werehog combats are still better, though). But to think that Sonic Team still kept the aspects from Forces into Frontiers, I might as well criticise them for ruining my childhood franchise. I’m taking another step further with the new Sonic x Shadow Generations game. The Shadow levels are great, believe me, it may have a lot of platforming similar to Forces, but it’s great that there are alternate paths which you have to react quickly to reach them. But guess what? SEGA decided to use Forces animations for Shadow, e.g. his spin jump, no hop, the white triangles when you see him boost from behind, his boost (although I have to admit it looks cool), etc. Come on Sonic Team, if you’re making a tie-in with one of the greatest masterpieces that you’ve made, then stick with the format, will you? Don’t deviate too much from it. What are you psychotic?

[@johnathonturner2279]

I don't think you do feel him. This is arguably just blind disdain for Forces.

[@leonardowynnwidodo9704]

@@johnathonturner2279 for the most part, yeah it’s disdain. But we’re pretty much on the same boat about being hyped