How Japan Came to Have a Standing Women Problem

[@Asianalysis]

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[@Lock2002ful]

Gotta love self censorship.🙄 The video was fine as is, it had a lot of views. Just make new videos.

[@micosstar]

@@Lock2002ful it is what it is; from my eyes @Asianalysis is looking towards the long run in channel development

[@davidwolstenholme4676]

SO JAPAN IS NOT THAT NICE AFTER ALL

[@renaissis]

Diversify your incomes for less compromise. Start a subscription discord or patreon or something.

[@greekre]

if you are standing up to buy a bag there is no hope for you in life, it is very different to stand up for other seasons but for "things" is a sickness that can never be cured

[@snowsky]

Just to clarify, some of the woman standing outdoors are not necessarily sex workers, but staff of concafe's and girls bars and are promoting customers to go over to their bar. It's just a drinks bar with the girls as bartenders and is not sex work. You can identify this usually by them holding a sign stating the name or price of their bars. For people watching this video, please don't instantly assume every girl standing outside is a sex worker.

[@realmcafee]

but i am going to do, or at least think low of it.

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

​@@realmcafeethink low of someone advirtizing their place of work?

[@realmcafee]

@@tomraineofmagigor3499 yes (as if advertising a business automatically being ethical or social uplifting).

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

@@realmcafee yes it's an ethical thing to do. Socially uplifting is a different question. It's also different from asking if the business itself is ethical as that's yet another question

[@Boogie-n2o]

You sound very naive.

[@anonymous-one]

I understand how Host cafes can be addicting. I visited japan for a week and was in an area with a lot of girls standing around in maid or other costumes. I was approached by a girl dressed in a cute wizard/mage costume. She spoke perfect English which caught me off guard and brought me to her cafe which had a magic theme to it. We basically had a conversation for an hour while sharing french fries and juice. Nice girl and there was zero hints of anything romantic or sexual but it was nice just chatting with a beautiful stranger. I can’t remember how much I spent but I’m sure it was more than actual cost of fries and juice. Very respectful and casual environment. I can imagine someone staying in the area longer who is super lonely would easily spend a lot of money just to chat there and have snacks.

[@kanyetheofficial]

bro caught the otaku lonely man bait and is spending money for friends 💀💀☠️

[@anonymous-one]

@@kanyetheofficial twin I have a fiancé and had 5 days to speedrun Tokyo. The whole set up reminded me of a side quest in a video game. I only spent like $30-50

[@nerfedmann]

​@@anonymous-one To be honest if you already have a fiance', why would you even like talking to a cute girl? I know that attractive people are attracting, but isn't that considered weird? Imagine your wife, paid to talk to a young handsome man (more handsome than you) it would hurt right? I believe you are not satisfied with your fiance. If you think i'm wrong, tell your fiance that you paid snacks into a bar just to have a chat with a cute girl. Tell me her reaction

[@absolutey_noidea8374]

Dude leave people's lives alone and live your own life, you don’t know anything about the specifics of theirs

[@kanyetheofficial]

@@nerfedmann thats because it didnt happen

[@asdkotable]

Women going into debt at host clubs is indeed a very Japanese phenomenon, but a friend of my mother in China has a daughter who had drained away their family savings to male online streamers. Lonely people exist everywhere and unfortunately, they can easily become vulnerable prey to predators.

[@bigbangrafa8435]

It's frustrating to me to hear this. Like, as a lonely person, I can tell you that I would go to HELL AND BACK for any of these girls If they are willing to go this far for affection, but here am I stuck on the other side of the planet while they are being pimped out by these assholes. Fuck this world man, why we can't have nice things?

[@roddizon2242]

True, I see a You Tube that older or lonely woman of UK are being prey by Turkish sex club using good looking male to lure them to love and emptying their bank account.

[@adamsilva9611]

Especially now with online life.

[@janushomer9111]

streamer boy was so hot, she STOLE all her family's money to give to him...mmmkay

[@mattyghost3409]

Even simpler than that as in the U S., they all want the same bad boy/Pretty Boys ...Look at tender many women only to swipe right on the top 1% of the most attractive guys even though they maybe avg in looks themselves....The most attractive women, avg , below avg women all seek the same man ...They detest the notion or idea of settling....Unlike men who are more willing to compromise to a certain extent....Most men know they aren't going to be able to date that top 1% woman with the IG model figure.... That's on them for their outcomes in life when it comes to seeking a mate...

[@roosmensink1314]

A reason these women might be drawn to hosts is because on the surface, these hosts treat them right. They seem to offer things that many other men will not: actually listening to these women and caring about them. In reality, they probably don't, but since they are trained to be what women look for in a partner, it might be hard for these women to let go.

[@MisterPanCakeYamaguchi]

they need that cash fr

[@sparkbag_]

why can't they just talk to a therapist instead I don't get it...

[@turpasauna]

​@@sparkbag_ Therapy isn't really a thing in many Asian countries.

[@sparkbag_]

@@turpasauna epic fail

[@PeterTheodore91]

Agreed in a lot of cases. There's also a case where girls who want a boyfriend looking like hosts because they think is the most "gentlest" man for them. Or they just way too picky when they're in their 20's now is even more harder because they're reaching late 30-mid40's and now feeling extremely lonely.

[@masudashizue777]

I'm originally from Japan but now I live in the States. I was the gregarious type back in high school and college, but now I'm unmarried and friendless...and I can't be happier. To people who are lonely, I say "Get a hobby!." I have multiple hobbies and I'm still working at the age of 70. Loneliness is a state of mind. Get over it and look around. Your life might be 10 times better than what your mind is making it out to be. I love not having to deal with people once I get back home.

[@porkhill6665]

Good take

[@victor_autopilotliving5786]

For sure I’ve been there where I’ve made a big deal out of being lonely but once I started to start seeing life in a less melodramatic fashion, I realized it isn’t a big deal

[@aragmarverilian8238]

Do you like books?

[@dredgewalker]

Each to his own and I'm glad you found satisfaction in your life. Mine situation is the opposite and while it's sometimes tiring taking care of my family I'm still happy seeing my kids give back the love I give to them. I do have my own hobbies too to relax and I appreciate the times I can be at peace doing my hobbies. I can understand why some people would love the single life since I am a loner by default but learned to accept people in my life. Each kind of path we choose has their own pros and cons but it's something we get used to.

[@aragmarverilian8238]

@@dredgewalker Indeed, each of our paths are different and they all lead us to discover different places.

[@TacoTrainer]

This breaks my heart… Men want genuine connection- they go to a hostess bar and pay for a fake one Women want genuine connection- they go to a host bar and pay for a fake one… They’re searching for the same thing, but being led astray… if only they would connect with each other and skip going to the clubs… 😢

[@daintree98]

Living in a big city is very expensive.

[@pinktobio]

it's also because making a genuine connections takes work, hard work and communication that most people do not have the mental capacity/emotional availability to exert themselves on :(( it's sad because even though we all want the same thing, it's easy to turn tail and run at the first sign that there may be something we don't like about a person and, instead of working through those issues, just run to the next person in line and do it all over again... it's a never-ending cycle and it happens all the time, both irl and on dating apps :( i can understand why these girls would fall for someone who is seemingly perfect, because they are trained to present themselves as the 'perfect partner' without any intention of remaining that way for the long term.

[@littleman6950]

@@pinktobio And to exacerbate this endless search for the perfect partner and bailing at the first signs of turbulence, there are very loud and very bitter groups in social media that want their brothers/sisters to absolutely loath of the opposite sex with them, so there's a lot of poisoning of the well so to speak. I'm a forever single, 36 year old virgin. The algorithm sends me all sorts of "men good, women awful" content. "Incel" shit. I like what I hear sometimes, because I am hurting, but I KNOW all I'm getting are curated clips that say what I want to hear to make me feel better and frankly present the weakest defense for women, often clearly misandrists. Unfortunately, I can only hope it's as deeply insulting to any other lonely man as it was to me when they see through the curated farce tearing the sexes apart. But it is hard, it is REALLY hard to move things back together because everyone is waiting for the other to make the first move, and worse, hoping it's not someone they don't want anywhere near them, which unfortunately, is an unreasonably large portion of the population. Because whether anyone admits to it or not, attractiveness really is the difference between desirable and creepy when making the approach.

[@TheseAreMyBkmrks]

I wonder who forbade men to initiate with women and to flirt with them, by calling all of this communication channel that the two sexes have between them "sexual harassment", and punishing thousands of guys unjustly. Who declared that the relations between the two sexes are oppression and abuse and announced that all relations between the two sexes should end, calling this "liberation and equality", then actively worked to achieve that goal of ending the relations between the sexes by forbidding sexual-romantic flirting first at work, then in college, then in bars ("taking the night back") and finally in any public place, until there was left no place for the two sexes to have sexual-romantic flirting as before and match up. Who has been teaching for 20 years hundreds of millions from one of the two sexes to say "I don't need a ****" (**** = the other sex) until finally in 2023 the most listened to song with over 600 million downloads online was "I can buy myself flowers I can talk to myself for hours I can hold my own hand", after as early as 15 years ago a song with the main line being "I don't need a ****" (**** = the other sex) gained hundreds of millions of views. Hmm. So mysterious why there's a loneliness pandemic. What movement did that? Intentionally? After declaring it wants to achieve just that and acting publicly to reach this goal, while also distorting research data to say that "members of the sex we are operating in are HAPPIER alone"? With clear successes within the sex it was operating in, in convincing them to adopt its way and turn their back on the other sex - to which the other sex had no other choice but responding when left alone with "I don't want to die alone but if you, the other sex, say you don't need me and want to be alone, I have no choice but to plan how to live on my own"? So mysterious. By the way, whatever movement did and continues to cause that, daily, powerfully, as a hegemony with absolute power in the media and in culture as well as in government, it's not an equality movement - equality has only one name and that name is universal humanism, and every other movement that pretends to be "the equality movement of all humankind" but that focuses only on one human category is called racism, and is premised on hate, and yes, when a society follows hate instead of love it can get rather lonely.

[@hassanshahid5832]

The differance is clawing for good looking men and women

[@tessw9744]

Loneliness makes people ignore red flags and live in fantasy. They're so lonely that they find it easier to live in hope of "what could be". But when you're lonely, bored or hungry, that's when you should protect yourself the most and pay attention. There will always be people looking to take advantage of you at your times of weakness.

[@finn5568]

I don't think its helpful to say a person should pay attention for these things once they reach that point. Thing is, once the tipping point is reached, many are willing to be taken advantage off just to feel less lonely, bored and/or hungry. I mean at that point life is already miserable, so why bother how it will be a few years later if at least life till then feels better. Worst case one might find the conviction ***** ******** at the point where the consequences of being taken advantage to bad. Its a shitty situation to be in and i think systemic solution to help people are needed, so it needs to be thought of as a social problem and not a personal problem.

[@byttercandy]

I know your comment is meant well, but people not being able to pay attention when they’re in a vulnerable state (hungry, homeless, debilitatingly lonely, etc) is the whole point. That’s why abusers choose people who are in a fragile state.

[@karmakameleon113]

Wise words, friend. I see someone above said your comment wasn't helpful. It may or may not be (depending on how receptive a person is to hearing simple truths and receiving advice) but it's still 100% true.

[@WastedTalent83]

wrong. weakness is what creates that.. do you know how many lonely person goes on every day just accepting they are lonely , and sure being a bit sad but life has A LOT of things not only relationships. I can talk as one of those "lonely" guys , had sex once in the last 10-15 years probably. Got not a single psychological problem about it, i just accept it as it is, stop glamourizing weakness calling it "loneliness" they are just weak kids and should grow up becoming adult. For many people life is hard, a shit even, don't see all of those crying about how unfair life is or how lonely they are. We are all humans, if they can , everybody else can too.

[@finn5568]

@@WastedTalent83 Do you not see the problem or do you not want to see the problem? It's great that you were able to accept being "lonely" without a single psychological problem. These people weren't able to accept that, call them weak if you have to, but they looked for solutions, which leads them into this rabbit hole. The psychological problems, if not already there previously, will come from the prostitution what else goes on there. But shouldn't we protect the weak? Don't let your frustration about your own situation cloud your judgment and empathy towards the situation of others.

[@Theendbeginsagain]

There is a documentary film about 20 years ago cause of “the great happiness space”that covers the host clubs that woman become addicted to go into and therefore turn to sex work to fund the addiction. It’s such a sad and vicious cycle.

[@olidou]

Because men turned to be HERBIVORE but not to be treated like a VACHE A LAIT ce problème ne concerne pas la loneliness but les rapports Men \ Women 👨‍❤️‍👨👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩

[@pandanprincess]

Omg I remember that documentary. It was really depressing.

[@nobodythenobody9779]

It’s funny how when the genders are reversed not a drop of sympathy is to be found, no one says the men are being manipulated y’all just call them creeps God I hate you all tbh

[@nobodythenobody9779]

Man goes to stripper “Bad man manipulating the stripper” Girl goes to stripper “Omg that stripper is manipulating that girl” Like are y’all for real with this crap ?

[@nobodythenobody9779]

Man goes to stripper “Bad man manipulating the stripper” Girl goes to stripper “Omg that stripper is manipulating that girl” Like are y’all for real with this crap ?

[@gregz85]

I got "lured' to a club in Roppongi in 2010. Was an odd place. We where sat down handed a menu and then the women sat next to us. The girl that sat next to me was foreign, like German, and when she asked for a drink I was like "sure". i figured out quickly what the goal here was and handed her "my" menu. She was like no, i want this. On her menu was a 4500 yen Glass of Champagne. I laughed and said no, that she could have a drink form the kids menu "referring to my menu" and she stood up and walked away... Ahhh, what a great time that was.

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

Lolol!!!! You took of care of that like a boss!! She knew then right there, you were a real man!! And she got humbled!!😂😆

[@brianglenney8642]

How much is 4500 yen Jesus,!!

[@gregz85]

@@brianglenney8642 in 2010 about 40USD

[@noakinn]

​@@brianglenney8642about 45 dollars

[@lonewolf_vr]

@@brianglenney8642 like 30 bucks

[@michaeltwister]

It's sad that these girls just needed someone to talk to who would listen to their problems to lift some weight off their minds but ended up used and in debt by some random manipulative psychopath

[@chiefenumclaw7960]

Women do this to men ALL the time and no one cares.

[@lion_dragon]

It's okay for Psychopathic women to take advantage of men in this way, nobody bats an eye. This is what happens when life's Fair.

[@kachigga69]

Seems like a mate selection issue. 70 percent of men in Japan are single and they could easily find someone to talk to. Some people don’t know when to give up on something for something greater.

[@kozuta8858]

@@kachigga69some people for some reason just select walking red flags, my mother including unfortunately xd

[@ihatefallout]

If it's a choice between being used my an attractive psychopath or being genuinely cared for by a sub 5 below average looking guy. I will choose the psychopath because he's interesting and just being able to manipulate women pre-selects him as high value and not a simp, in fact I don't even see the average guy as human ironically.

[@heron6462]

I lived in Japan for a decade in the '80s. My default attitude to my environment is 'why are things like this?', followed by 'is there a better way?' I had plenty to think about while I was in Japan, and eventually returned to the UK because I found the coercive nature of the society too suffocating. People behaved in ways that were entirely rigid and which caused serious psychological injury to themselves and others, but which they couldn't explain, gain insight into, or modify. No moral criticism of the changing manifestations of Japanese society is permitted, especially by outsiders, who by definition have zero qualifications to speak up. Japanese ways and sensibilities must always come first, and society at large is the ultimate moral guide. You challenge it at your peril. My conclusion was that Japanese society has no moral anchor. This is by design, as it makes the average person powerless to fight back against any manipulation that's presented as 'traditional' or 'uniquely Japanese.' Women in particular are not trained to be vigilant against this kind of exploitation. They are meant to be a blank slate with no plans of their own. Most of them marry the first person who asks them, in a kind of 'sleeping beauty' scenario. I think that the deep taboo against individual autonomy explains many aspects of Japanese society, including how these lonely women get trapped and seem unable to extricate themselves by the application of some elementary logic. I was also very interested to see how androgynous these hosts look, but that's another subject!

[@Lue1337]

It is a dictatorship, a very weird one, when I found out how the judiciary system worked It made so much sense to me.

[@garry8390]

All societies manipulate and exploit their citizens just as japan does, the west included but using different tactics. It all begins in the school system, designed to remove a child's natural curiosity and love of learning to dis empower them as citizens so they can't challenge the governments system of control. Con\/id incidentally was simply the introduction of a new control system.

[@SentinelPL]

"This is by design" whose design?

[@garry8390]

@@SentinelPL The ruling elite. Same in every country.

[@heron6462]

@@SentinelPL The design of the "Japanese collective consciousness" - it's something like a school of fish or a murmuration of starlings. A kind of hidden signal passes instantaneously throughout the whole, and every single fish or starling changes direction. Perhaps the signal is given by a dominant individual or group, but you'd be hard put to identify them. As Karel von Wolferen relates in his book, "The Enigma of Japanese Power," the frustrated (and unanswered) call of every foreign official who visits Japan to make some kind of deal is "Take me to your leader!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHSoo56Ajc2ZsKM

[@reicrystalline2506]

The father of my child used to be a host and now works at "a bar, as a bartender". When we lived together in Tokyo, Shinjuku. I was having trouble finding a job, and just before i found one, he became impatient with me and made me cry. While I was crying, a job interview called my phone and i couldn't answer, i broke down and showed anger.. he got out of bed and began to hit me, i was pinned on the floor and thought i was going to die. Neither of us knew it at that moment, I was pregnant with his child. Yes, i know my actual youth sounds like a bad movie. I am now a single mother living in Australia. He was a persuasive young man, convincing me we will be married but making no action and being completely absent. So, very soon after I had my child, i realised the lie and chose to cut off the abusive father and move on. I kept some contact with his very wealthy and kind parents, however I stopped contact with them when child became 3, due to the shame around this whole situation. We have a good simple life in Australia.

[@Druuna55]

I hope you and your child have found peace and harmony in Australia 🤗

[@_sandy_]

australia welcomes you. so sorry you went through that

[@Ragazar]

Sorry for what you went through but I'm happy you're safe with your child now ❤

[@AkselGAL]

my best wishes to you and your child.

[@neoncoyote]

I never understood how people could treat another human so poorly. I'm glad you escaped and I hope your child grows up to realize what a strong woman you are for getting both of you out of that situation.

[@KhoaTran-md5ou]

"If love is for the higher bidder, there will be no trust, without trust there is no love" El Tango De Roxanne

[@lizxu322]

Then ensure you're the richest person so that you'll always be the highest bidder All joking aside...society has become very sad. The human condition is growing more pathetic each day

[@reysolo3672]

King Lear

[@mingfei1622]

Moulin rouge! What a great movie 🫶

[@FrozenAfricaPrincess]

There is a similar concept in Germany called "boyfriend method" roughly translated, Idk how common it is, but it does happen. There are no hosts clubs here, however, guys who pretend to be boyfriends to young girls only to "p*mp" them out and blackmail them does happen. There was a case of a girl in her last year of HS, who essentially ended up being blackmailed and had to work for her "boyfriend". The guy isolated her from friends and family, moved her into his flat and had recordings of her which he threatened to send to her school/family/etc... The guy was caught by police who listened in on his phone calls where he made fun of her and was coordinating with other guys. If I remember correctly, he also had more than one woman he was doing this to. These guys are known to prey on "unpopular" girls or girls who are desperate/lonely/have mental health issues/etc... . They give them attention and love they've never experienced and then after some some lie and say that they are being threatened by other "bad guys" that they need to pay off a debt or the "bad guys" will attack them. It's all lies to get the women/girls to work for them of course.

[@yupyup1562]

In the states also.

[@maverick_nyaa]

As a foreign salaryman working in an IT company in Tokyo, I have made zero friend since I stared working. The only friends I made were during the one year of study in the Japanese language school and they do not live in Tokyo anymore. Everyday you go between your company (which is fully of males) and your home, zero contact with the locals. Japan is only good for traveling but a hell for living. The JR chuou line near my home, have regular personal injuries(people jumping to the tracks when the train is approaching) incidents. For me I need a Japanese passport in the future, but for anyone who lives in a democracy country with access of google and KZbin etc, I don't see a point of living in Japan.

[@wherestheaudio1]

100% agreed

[@qcrctgavarcesxrfab8015]

Yes, idk how else could it be so depressing to live there, I’ve worked there for a year. Went back home to my country, and just visited back for vacation

[@sergiosarmiento4233]

Women thinking that they can change a man by having him fall in love with her first is actually a normal phenomenon. This is actually the basis for The Beauty and the Beast story.

[@prot07ype87]

"I can fix him!"

[@Zabawne_Gierki]

I have a weird fan theory that the beast actually refers to an inbred high class person.

[@Skogsrahn]

@@Zabawne_Gierki It refers to old men, abusive men, and generally undesirable (to a young lady) men. They don't have to be inbred.

[@bar-1studios]

Except here he wasn't "The Beast". This was a girl chasing after Gaston. And not even a hyper-masculine version. A pretty boy.

[@sergiosarmiento4233]

@@bar-1studios Gaston actually is one of the potential beastly mates, but he failed the preliminary trial. Too much beast, not enough protector vibes.

[@ursadaeis]

Loneliness is a terrible thing that drives people to do desperate things to fill that void. I feel bad for those girls.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

I pity her, but God she was so foolish that it's painful to listen to. I feel about her the same way I feel about stories of men marrying prostitutes. Yeah, loneliness sucks, but be smart.

[@courtneyharris1006]

Why? They are chasing looks because average men are invisible to them. Not a loneliness issue its an entitlement one...

[@IdeoHazamaFan3000]

@@courtneyharris1006​​⁠ ​​⁠To put it bluntly, you sound like an incel. Not saying you are one, but you sound like one for sure. Consider the empathy you’ve got for whatever average looking men you’re talking about, and extend it to women, too.

[@hunterv9259]

@@courtneyharris1006 just like male incels do?

[@courtneyharris1006]

@@hunterv9259 Male incels had a subreddit where they tried to link with femcel subreddit to solve the "nobody wants us so y not be with each other question". The femcels closed the reddit because they didn't like them. Incels are not typically the beggar and chooser types its definitely a female phenomenon any comparison is a false equivalent.

[@TheOmiguelion]

Spanish viewer here. I am impressed with this video, not expecting this level of seriousness and rationality. VERY well narrated, you provide background, a good description of the current phenomenon, a good (and surprising to me) explanation for it, and some opinions and advice I personally agree 100%. Good visuals, pace and narrating voice as well. Suscribed.

[@VilasNil]

As a fellow spanish viewer, I can only but feel proud (/s) that Spain was second in earnings through these endeavors. Such a surprise, didn't know the industry was so big here. I knew of a few "famous" people in the industry, which I don't know if it's something that happens in other countries as often, but it was still a surprise seing it at #2 in the list. Now I understand what I've heard of the power and influence "Torbe" has. This amount of money is no joke

[@kristopherfrantzen7510]

This is so fascinating and sad coming from someone with a mindset grown in the United States. I love Japanese culture but hearing some of the social issues really opened my eyes about what Japan is really like because we so often put Japan on a high pedestal here in the U.S.

[@kristopherfrantzen7510]

It is hard to imagine a solution to this problem when it revolves around itself being the host clubs exist because women are lonely, but the host clubs are hurting the women in the end.

[@LyricsQuest]

High suicide rates, High depopulation rates, A country lost since the 90s. Yeah, I'm sensing a fantastic country. Now, culturally, they do seem to have a fantastic culture. But economy?

[@VeSpEr7iNe]

I think it would be easy to place regulations for male host clubs, they need more ethical practices instead of scamming their customers...I've heard that female host clubs have a different model more balanced

[@jakubrogacz6829]

Yeah, well USA and Europe isn't any better on those fronts, if not even are worse

[@LyricsQuest]

@@jakubrogacz6829 It's worse in America. There's a mysterious organization that has instruments of a certain persuasion behind those girls.

[@violetgilkes3625]

Volunteering at a animal shelter will help you feel needed, and you can probably meet more wholesome people to associate with❤❤❤

[@kingrobotnik6950]

Depends on the shelter. Went to 1 that sucks and and currently at one I love

[@SirusStarTV]

@@namedrop721 i seen girl that was obsessed with saving dogs, her eyes were insane.

[@Fred-t2w]

Dogs are better than people

[@EmissaryOfSmeagol]

There are not many dogs, let alone stray dogs, in downtown Tokyo. Even in Japan altogether. Japan is not much of a dog country.

[@mond000]

The largest animal shelter in America, Best Friends in Utah was started by ex-members of The Process satanic group.

[@lassefiedler3542]

Women standing outside to sell their bodies isn’t a purely Japanese problem. I don’t know about other countries, but here in Germany many cities have what’s publicly known as a „Strich“ or „Straßenstrich“, where there are women doing exactly this. They are not standing as close to each other like in the examples shown in this video, but it’s a lot of the same problems. Though the majority of the women standing there are foreigners and a lot of they are typically forced into this business because of drug addiction rather than loneliness, though there are also a lot of women who got „caught“ by their „boyfriends“ in another country and got sent to Germany, where they are then integrated into some pimp‘s business, so the abusive romantic relationship part of this phenomenon also exists here.

[@cattysplat]

The other reality is it makes good money fast. You don't need to work all day just to bring home a basic paycheque just to survive.

[@defeqel6537]

@@cattysplat this is something people are loathe to admit: it's just easier work, and the social stigma is largely gone

[@chrisk5985]

Thank you for speaking about how loneliness can affect women as well. I have never heard anyone talk about it before. It's important to know that loneliness knows no gender, and we need to work together to connect with and support each other.

[@pollutedmind2959]

wdym?! lol never heard or anyone talked about it?? especially wahmen?? haha

[@parkchimmin7913]

@@pollutedmind2959 Yeah cause most people only talked about the “male loneliness epidemic” edit: At this point, almost everyone is lonely.

[@nakynie463]

Well said

[@sugarzblossom8168]

Exactly I hardly see it when it comes to just women. It is either talked about a men's problem or they use people in general. I don't complain yet even men on this video are trying to say that people only care about women's loneliness

[@Datbwoi-b1q]

Women are the sexual selector. They don't have the same excuse.

[@oniarrca9431]

I spent 3 1/2 years in south Korea while serving in the army. "Drinkie girls" were common place at bars around the bases. Most of the girls were Philippinas and Russian, mind you they were not free to leave until they paid "their debts" to IgMa. Those women were recruited from their native countries, then had their passports taken away until they work off their debts.

[@wongcy713]

That is human trafficking.

[@iwantanaivanovic2962]

Are you korean or an american?

[@PossibleBat]

That’s literally sex trafficking

[@wowswc]

Why aren't the police busting these places to return the passports to the women and send them back home?

[@wherestheaudio1]

@@wowswcthey got paid to

[@mhbarney8499]

This is something that can be seen on the Internet too many times as well. I am a bit into the "nerd" and "Anime" stuff. And at least to me - it seems that a large number of people there have heavy mental issues and are depressed and desperate. And this means they will do anything to not be lonely anymore. This will never work tough. Getting into a relationship or even friendship under these conditions will NEVER work out in the end. I had my fair share of experiences and since I have a pretty decent live myself - seeing all those people really brings you down.

[@dannyg.4421]

What type of creeps would make a joke about going to japan to meet up with teenagers and going to hotels... that is actually sickening.

[@foggg7]

fr whats wrong with them 😭 its not funny or cool but okay like yeah youre so cool for thinking this situation is funny haha minors

[@dannyg.4421]

@jisoup Don't worry, they would never go to Japan because that would mean leaving their mom's basement.

[@mihailnikolov5535]

Hope she sees this, king.

[@dannyg.4421]

@@mihailnikolov5535 yeah I'm not saying it to impress any one. People saying differently should be worried about how creepy and embarrassing they are though.

[@chaos0987654321]

Jokes raise awareness of problems in society. The only people who want to shut them down are the ones those jokes strike at the most.

[@adlerzwei]

I recently watched a tv series about this very topic. "Tomorrow, I’ll be Someone’s Girlfriend" it's called. Young women are so obsessed with having the perfect guy they'd rather have a fake relationship than one with an actual, flawed person. 😢

[@irakatski]

And whose fault is this. If you won't "settle" (Compromise and be realistic) what are you REALLY headed?

[@foggg7]

i love tomorrow ill be someones girlfriend its so good!!

[@anuragpradhan7500]

Then what all is happening is the consequences of their own actions.

[@NamePending9]

The manga that's adapted from came to my mind as soon as make hosts were mentioned, didn't know it had a live action version

[@DylanJo123]

The equivalent for guy would be dudes becoming obsessed with vtubers, egirls, or those hostess clubs ive heard about. Loneliness really is an epidemic that affects everyone nowadays

[@HaloToday]

With all the great things about Japan being shouted on social media lately I'm glad there are creators like you that highlight the bad things that go on in Japan. I have family in Japan and visit often and there are so many things that are going on in Japan that are just sad. Thanks for the great work.

[@OnlyGrafting]

I have been here a week on holiday with 2 friends and whenever we decided to take the days to ourselves i can 100% understand that insufferable loneliness. And it was only a few days for me of that, which prompted me to go chasing festivals and lively bars. The loneliness in Tokyo is insufferable. To think these people live with it day on day for years, no wonder they become so vulnerable. I even entered a British style pub hoping to have some conversations, as broken or awkward as they may be, and no one was sitting at the bar. It was all people entering as groups and sticking to their group. That is not a British pub after sundown. There are no pool tables or dart boards, the TV is only on for daytime football. It's just upsetting. Even Karaoke, there's no karaoke where you can go in and get a room for people who have no care for who they're with. If you want that it's an expensive organised online booking. It seems so counterintuitive to limit people like this to one off establishment cultures and work for their entire social life.

[@revelle8605]

God, I'm in the US in a town where people just, don't talk to each other. You're either part of an established social group or you're entirely alone. It's soul-crushing! There's something especially sickening about the fact that you can go out and be around people, and yet you're still alone; an isolation, an alienation that cuts straight to the center of the heart. People need people. And wherever people stop reaching to one another, especially to those we don't know, intense and silent suffering follows. I don't know what to do about it. My community is in thorough disconnect and I'm sure I'm not the only one hurting. I figure, a change might start with me. Maybe something simple, like a walking group in the park that's based more in socialization and meeting new people than actual walking. We need big changes in this city, in this whole region really, and wider talks about loneliness; but tangible change may require a thousand tiny, community changes to start.

[@xlightable]

​@@revelle8605I'm on another continent and live in such a city. I'm moving out soon, so should you, if you feel like that - that's not your place.

[@revelle8605]

@@xlightable I'd love to move out, I've been stuck here my whole life. I've got to stay for a couple more years at least, tho, bc I've got surgeries scheduled here that took years to set up. It's frustrating, but I've just got to make the best of living here for now. Best of luck in your move! I hope you find a place that's just right for you.

[@xlightable]

@@revelle8605 Thank you. I also lived where I am for most of my life, moved out of the continent even and then back. This hopefully last moving out has been in planning for two and a half years. Good luck to you, use your time to prepare and be at your best when you make the move. 💪

[@MeeNalovie0bee]

Wow!! I definitely did not realize isolating loneliness was like an active social practice for parts of the world/US cities; very surprising and sad. I have a genuine question for everyone under this comment: when/if you attempt to engage in these settings, what happens? I’m an introvert w/some extrovert habits, so I don’t mind being alone, (dinner/movies/festivals/etc.) and approaching strangers while out when I want to be bothered. I generally always make a new (temporary) acquaintance. ***Full Transparency: I do have a network of friends & family, and live in the U.S. south*** ♥️♥️♥️

[@bboy531]

Thank you for bringing such an important issue to light, and with compassion and respect 👏. All your videos are insightful, engaging and very well done - much appreciated 😊

[@Kervath]

How is that important at all, there are probably less than a thousand successful hosts with less than 10 000 exclusively wealthy clients that can throw money away? Real sad victims are the fathers of the girls, their inheritance goes down the drain to some psychopath because the daughter can't interact with any male below 11/10, the fake personality bringing +1 to the perfectly looking male. Edit: Wrote it at the part where clubs were discussed, prostitution that the rest of the video was about is about to be all but legalized in the West, OF and public celebrity stars are here too, there is absolutely no problem with prostitution, unless sadly with minors and manipulated, but that's every single country, like every single country has thieves and murderers.

[@minamimotomorphine796]

It may sound weird, but your voice is so soothing and calming ! I've been listening to podcasts before sleeping for years now, and the combination of your voice and the music is perfect for my nighttime routine ! Keep up the good work ;)

[@AzurefluxMusic]

The issues and themes that you choose to analyze are all very interesting. I wish you the utmost success with your channel.

[@WithoutException]

The same way there are hikkikomori help services, I think just having more social programs for people to cheaply get out of the house and meet people and be active and organize events would do wonders. A co-ed one but also a women only one

[@mes6759]

When we were in Japan, we stayed in Tokyo for a few days and I actually got depressed eventhough I was with my brother and sister in law. The silence on the train was soo suffocating as we spent a lot of time on the train as we had to transfer from 1 station to another, I rarely see people interact and it was so weird to see even young kids not talking .. I felt so alone eventhough there were a lot of people around me.. The only time I enjoyed our trip was when we were in Hakone and Yokohama...

[@Rob-z7k]

Their crazyyy out there

[@k.poe.edwards_836]

The fact that streamers make light of their situation is disgusting to me. These poor girls):

[@cheechwizard7564]

_"The fact that streamers make light of their situation is disgusting to me. These poor girls):"_ Those streamers are worthless wastes of genetic material who do it for "clout", irregardless of the effect it has on others.

[@mho...]

who else talks about this then?! how is talking baout reality disgusting???

[@auricom8472]

These poor girls, really? How would you help them and help the japanese government rectify this problem?

[@blazingst4rz]

@@auricom8472give free money to women so they don’t have to work the streets 😅

[@foggg7]

⁠​⁠@@auricom8472do we, as normal people who don’t have political knowledge and/or experience need to know how exactly to solve or help this situation, which i would consider major, *need* to know how to help? i dont know how you feel but i don’t think you need to have a solution in order to feel sympathy/empathy. i dont mean to attack you or your views in any way, because i struggle with sympathy and empathy and take things as simply information, but i think people can feel sympathy for the girls in this situation.

[@Tommykee999]

Admittedly me and my friend in March walked past the park as we saw stories about it and wanted to see it, but walking thru it we were dead silent shocked at the reality we saw which at least to me wasn't very pretty at all. Took us out of our holiday mode and right into the reality of it right away

[@WastedTalent83]

the problem as shown in the video.. is the girls expectations. he was a HOST club guy, do you know what that means? He must have been hot, you don't work as a host if you're mid. that girl could have CHOSEN and all the girls like her, a normal guy who wasn't a chad, but NO, she fell for the hot looking HOST guy, and then i should feel sorry for that? LOL not by a long shot. women could avoid 99% of their problems in life if they just accepted "normal" guys as partners instead of chasing only chad bad boys.

[@WastedTalent83]

@SlavicAMV you must be really.. really stupid to say something like that. Did you make a special course or something, to get that good at being stupid? I can't care less about what women think of me in general, you are so wrong that it hurt. I could be the most ugly guy in the world, but still wouldn't give a shit about women, because their quality lately is SO LOW, that please just stay away from me.. I just stated facts on my comment, women do idiotic stuff, chose as worse as they can, and then complain about their shitty choices and cry victim all the fukking time.. Im sorry the truth hurt you, but its not a problem that concern me.

[@mcsy98]

@@WastedTalent83 You clearly care enough about women that you’re here watching a video about women’s problems and you’re commenting a lot of your thoughts on it, and you’re also complaining about… women complaining about their problems which you now made your own problem to complain about. You also experience loneliness and you’re here seeing that women experience the same thing. This is not inherently a women’s problem either, and neither is falling prey to manipulation. Men also do idiotic stuff and fall victim, everyone does at some point. That’s just part of life’s circumstances, but it’s up to you on how would you approach it that makes the difference on your health and well-being. I hope you have a nice day.

[@WastedTalent83]

@@mcsy98 there is hope for the world lol, not all comments come from idiots. im glad XD i wish there were more people writing with respect like you did. I care, and i get pissed because i care, and of course men fall for it, in fact, much more than women do. Thing is.. when things happens to women the world cry, when they happen to men not a single shit is given. That's another thing that pisses me off. People hypocrisy.. getting fooled is part of life sadly, and instead of crying victim or doing extreme things, people should just grow up, change place/country and start from scrap, it can never be worse than suicide or prostitution. Add to this, that society is trying its best to normalize prostitution and worse stuff.. and the game is on.

[@JL_Loki]

​@@WastedTalent83​@CloudStrifeCosplay sadly not every one "can grow up" just like that. You are lucky because you have much stronger mind or is probably brought up as stronger person by your parents. Not everyone have that luck. People who get swindled or get to be a victim by sociopaths mostly come from sad or traumatic childhood. And yes, men can be a victim too but wh6 we don't hear it often or why it's mostly swept under a rug is because of our patriarchal society where people or man themselves think that to be a week man is being look down. I think that should change first. Just how many rape cases of men do you know are being reported compared to women ? Just a handful because victims think people would laugh or look down at them. For women not reporting is mostly about fear. And even if you complain that these women are too dumb or weak to end up being a victim, that a man will always be stronger physically. I can't say that with mentally though because that would be depends on the person. And for you to laugh that these problems even exist and you can easily dodge it and move on, then good for you. But how about those who are already mentally weak and unstable? Are we just going to shrug and say depression doesn't exist which is why they did these things in the first place because if they are stable, they'll find a a normal human to connect instead? Other than that Japanese culture is also to blame in this topics case. It is more than someone being used and lied to. A lot of factors here is you listen and understand the narrative.

[@eden22.7]

Thank you for sharing and reuploading such an eye opening video

[@hildyboo]

This is fascinating. the hosts are asking as pimps, in the USA one of the ways pimps turn girls into prostitutes is with 'the boyfriend' pimp move. The pimp sweeps the girl off her feet, moves her in and treats her really well for several months. Then one day he will make up a story about needing cash right away for some emergency and begs her to sell herself for him. many girls find themselves tricked into sex work this way.

[@fjb4932]

Doesn't say much about female intelligence, nor their logic / reason ability. ☆

[@marie-ray]

​@@fjb4932what a horrible thing to say. These loverboy strategy obviously only works on women with low selfesteem or some kind of pyschological trauma.

[@rebelsoldier2352]

@@fjb4932for real

[@ot4kon]

@@fjb4932 There is an Spanish book about prostitution, The guy described those guys as old school pimps, the girls were totally in love and obsessed with those guys. And yes debt was used as a tool to maintain those women in check, also violence of course.

[@samhall5096]

i dont know bro. many is a stretch. before i was a soldier i lived in a halfway house. met plenty of whores back then and all around. girls will do a lot for a gram of powder. like ive seriously known north of a hundred girls. prostitution is done cuz its easy and quick cash. they dont always come into the game with an addiction but they usually end up as addicts. easy money makes bad decisions. a girl could run a trick in 15mins and make significantly more than the $50 i was making working 8hrs at the labor pool.

[@vassily239rus]

I've never been to Japan, yet I adore it and the Japanese people. You guys, if you are reading this, are one of the most talented nations on Earth, hard-working, bright-minded and polite. And when I, as a Russian, see absolutely clean streets of Japanese cities, like it is hospital operation halls, not roads and sidewalks, I just wanna cry! Can this be real? But in recent years Japan is definitely in trouble. Low birth rates, epidemy of loneliness, overworking and overdrinking, high prices and debts, and all the rest. I hope you guys show the best sides of your national character and overcome all your challenges and national disasters, and be prosperous and happy. My prayers are with you, Japan! 🎎🏯🗾

[@bat7bertman]

Thanks for explaining all this. I am in Japan right now, and your videos are very illuminating. I really respect the seriousness of your tone and how respectful you are when dealing with those important issues. It's also so refreshing to get a feminist point of view. Thank you. While in Tokyo I mistakenly took a wrong turn and found myself in what seemed to be a red district part of Shinjuku. My boyfriend and I were walking the streets for a while looking for a place to eat. It was very depressing and so troubling. After going back to our airbnb I had bad dreams all night. The thing is, I was also very confused about the place and did not understand what are those huge pictures of those young men all over, and also was not sure those young girls were actually selling themselves. Now I understand better. It is very very sad. Thanks for explaining.

[@_anshin_anshin]

I love that you provide resources to help these girls escape. It's a terribly sad predicament so many young girls find themselves in 😔

[@courtneyharris1006]

Chasing hot guys into prostitution instead of lowering physical expectations..... much sad

[@daintree98]

The only difference in the West is the 'host' gets the girls or boys hooked on drugs. Usually, it ends badly.

[@jakubpluhar4914]

Don't worry and bother too much. You do have to agree that this is at the very least partly their fault and they won't stop paying the host guys until a big wake up call that breaks their delusion that this pretty boy loves, cares and is nice to them. Lots of people fall prey to this, it's similar to men cashing out big donations to female "provocative" streamers that believe it will make her notice them. I find it a tad weird how this video is trying to garner so much sympathy for something that men and women have been falling for all this time. But i do guess it is "muh japan" and young women are involved.

[@courtneyharris1006]

Zero sympathy that women do this to men since forever eh?

[@_anshin_anshin]

@@courtneyharris1006 yes, I genuinely have zero sympathy for men that pay to use women. Don't pretend like it's the same situation. Women were seen as property not too long ago.

[@rubenbaeckelandt902]

Appreciate your upload, as visitor to Japan one can only observe the surface but seldom see what lays behind. One should keep this in mind once such kind of “fun” is been offered to a public.

[@jakubrogacz6829]

I think this is actually golden rule anytime such thing happens.

[@missplainjane3905]

What do you observe

[@kingrobotnik6950]

@@missplainjane3905What DID you observe? Sorry, but this comment chain was making my head hurt…

[@missplainjane3905]

@@kingrobotnik6950 So my grammar is wrong ?

[@concernedobserver2326]

Thank you for this insightful and respectful analysis of the sad state of women being exploited. It’s truly heartbreaking. So much of what I see of the underbelly of Japanese culture/society is heartbreaking. So many ppl without hope, without an understanding of how truly precious and valuable they really are.

[@DocAcher]

Thank you for approaching this with empathy.

[@AvnerSenderowicz]

This is not only very educational video there's also a lot of empathy, it's a heartbreaking phenomena but the video is very well done. It's very easy to be dismissive of other people falling for emotional manipulation but in real time when emotional longing and hunger are felt, it's not so simple.

[@kattenstein5509]

Very informative and thoughtful video to give light to women's problems in cultures like Japan and South-Korea in the aspect of loneliness and what it leads to for most. Small little feedback which would've been a nice touch was to provide a hyperlink in the description to non-profits that try to help women in these perilous predicaments, it would've made it much easier for myself and more encouraging.

[@hungrybraineater2]

Chicagoan born and raised but right here this is something that really hit me. I mean for me someone getting shot or worse is expected. But there is just something about this that even gets under my skin.

[@DylanJo123]

I feel you man. Getting shot is terrible, dont get me wrong, but this is another level. Like youre taking advantage of someones weakness and manipulating their soul. Disguisting

[@hungrybraineater2]

@DylanJo123 yeah like for us it's everyday someone getting shot over something. But this is just something that can get the normal neutral types, because of how legit it might seem.

[@DylanJo123]

@@hungrybraineater2 man is it really that dangerous over there? My only experience with big cities is LA and San Diego. LA can get pretty bad in some places, San Diego is fine, but are shootings really all that common in Chicago? I only heard rumors and memes

[@hungrybraineater2]

@DylanJo123 yes everyday someone gets shot during the summer. Sometimes 70 people can get shot with 5 or 6 dead during a weekend. Often times it's children getting shot.

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

@@DylanJo123 The news stations count the days WITHOUT shootings. Something like 7 days without shooting is the record for years iirc

[@froggacuda1605]

In the West, we call this phenomenon "grooming", i.e., psychologically and emotionally manipulating someone to believe that abusive behavior is good, beneficial, and normal, which usually involves creating a strong emotional and psychological attachment of the victim to their abuser. A common theme is the victims have low self-esteem such that they crave validation and attention from people they view as attractive or of higher social value. I wish there was an easy solution to the problem but sadly there isn't

[@IZooNaaaRz]

Just saying men have the same problem with female host but they end up dead not prostitute...

[@stephenjenkins7971]

Grooming has connotations of an adult doing this to a minor, so Westerners don't tend to use the word when used on adults onto other adults.

[@iamnothale]

@@stephenjenkins7971 Back in my day, we called it “pimping out”.

[@Nielson_Memories]

Grooming is about minors. These are just loverboys

[@ghostui6985]

@Nielson_Memories No, no, he is right adult grooming is a thing

[@haroldkoenig3532]

Thank you. Excellent video and comments. I don't know why, but I have a deep love and respect for Japan and am aware of some of the problems. Maybe in another post you can give contact information for the groups seeking to help these women. I'm sure many of us would like to help.

[@byttercandy]

Thank you for pointing out the seriousness of the situation. It’s appalling some people make fun of this (for clicks) or talk to these women in a condescending fashion. Unfortunately, after checking out the comments under this video, I can confirm that many people aren’t very respectful. I am sorry about your problem with the algorithm. I’ll try to interact with your content/share it as much as possible.

[@sparta007ot]

women arent respectful with lonely men

[@cheechwizard7564]

@@sparta007ot _"women arent respectful with lonely men"_ And your point is? That still does not make it right.

[@mimachocolat8413]

@@sparta007ot you are not the ones being sex trafficked. be quiet

[@byttercandy]

@@sparta007ot I believe that no one deserves disrespectful behaviour. No matter the gender. I‘ve been in relationships with women that hurt me and took advantage of my loneliness, so what? It doesn’t mean every woman is bad. I’ve been molested by men, so what? Doesn’t mean every man is an a*hole.

[@jakubrogacz6829]

@@cheechwizard7564 I can understand him, If he's from west like me, we are locked here in a war between genders like that scene from Spiderman where Peter-Parker just fails to see where that's his problem. So basically women shit on men, cause dating post sexual revolution kind of sucks if you dont hold yourself to conservative standard, then men who didnt do anything wrong get pretty jaded by women being really unfair and start enjoing being unhelpful to women and this cycle continues. I am going to sound like total weeb, but it's kind of like in the Naruto, and in this situation too, unless some movement or person has enough guts to finally trying to break this, it will only get worse. In Japan though I don't think that there was a particular push for feminism that caused women there to be suddenly way too demanding. From my understanding herbivore men actually didn't start as a response to some wave of feminism but rather people being tired of toxic work culture in Japan and in a way there it's actually men who went on strike first. So actually talking about this issue in Japan, I'd be much more saddened by people being in this situation. Many dont do it to buy fancy bags or party wild but because of society doing nothing to help them ( I remeber even seeing videos about kids forced to run from home ending up working in adult industry, here, where I live this scenario is usually minimal, most do it because why date average men, when you can be rich mans escort and rake in cash your male counterpart never will untill he's 35 )

[@KhunShawn]

This sounds very human; it’s a sad world we live in but it’s always been sad. First it was the pleasure district now it’s women being pimped out on the streets; the real question how can you change this? Love, loneliness, and other strong emotions are relative to each other; you cannot solve this issue only remedy the problems it causes.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

You can't. Men have been in this situation for years now, and no solution is forthcoming. Ultimately the issue lies in an unwillingness for people to get together and compromise, I guess.

[@sleeper9638]

Only feminist countries seem to be facing this problem. Seems like a pretty simple solution

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@sleeper9638 China, Japan, and SK are nowhere near what I would call "feminist". The issue is that post-industrialization, the benefit of having a child drops massively. The cost by contrast spikes.

[@sleeper9638]

@@stephenjenkins7971 Japan and Korea are both very feminist, Korea especially is known for very extreme feminist movements. South Korea is actually a really deep rabbit hole in this regard

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@sleeper9638 Having feminist movements is not the same as being a feminist society, genius. South Korea is one of the most traditional societies on the planet, with manners of address socially required for specific situations. Nobody with a functioning mind can ever call Japan or SK to be feminist. They are MORE feminist than China, but not by much. And you completely dodged my point; feminism has no correlation here to birth rate.

[@Damini368]

Host club employees should be exempt from dating apps. If they're going to misuse the service they shouldn't be there at all.

[@GrimCryptid]

Thank you for drawing attention to the bringing attention to lack of empathy some are treating this issue with. While not impossible, it is very unlikely those who can afford to travel to other nations and have successful social circles to attain lost of viewers experience the sort of loneliness that drives girls to these ends. Falling victim to what most deem to be "obvious" scams should be proof of irrational state that loneliness and isolation put people in. Not grounds for dismissal of it.

[@Aaron11411]

The women who fall prey to this can, in turn, at a later point in life also become "mini" manipulators. This is only something I strongly suspect is the reason some women grow to manipulate men. In essence, once they finally "wake up" to the true reality of the situation, some women will just hold a deep bitterness about it for the rest of their lives.

[@dzstoyanov]

Yeah, it’s called emotional baggage. Happens everywhere

[@Isekai_no_Yume]

It's certainly the social meta these days ​@@dzstoyanov

[@Isekai_no_Yume]

@Bella-cb3mt what's interesting is how there exists but a 10% difference between men and women who are subject to this. I don't know a single man who would advocate for this or do this to their children or one they love/are a guardian of. I hope you can find peace, and for what it's worth, it's what the overwhelming majority of us wish for everyone.

[@IZooNaaaRz]

Just saying men have the same problem with female host but they end up dead not prostitute...

[@nobodythenobody9779]

Wow, victim blaming, when the genders are reversed you don’t feel bad for guys the give all their money to strippers Your mind is so warped you think anytime a woman is evil it’s a man’s fault, misandry

[@robhein]

This was a brilling doc, i had no clue. You got a great voice too, make more docs. 👏

[@alonzosurrette3717]

I don't have any experience with Standing Girls, but I do a lot of experience with hostesses. I wonder if something similar happens to men, as well. I lived in Japan for a while and befriended many hostesses. The first time I went to a hostess bar in Tokyo, it was a nice upscale place, but I didn't have enough to pay the bill. My friend had told me how much money to bring, but when I was leaving it wasn't enough, so she paid the rest. Another friend forbade me from coming to her bar. We were young and just playing around after they finished work and off days. I don't know what kinds of stuff went on inside their bars, but my friends would go on dates with customers and the customers gave them gifts and money, which was nice for me because my friends often paid for drinks and stuff. However, I wonder about their customers. What was going on that these men would give away so much money to these girls just so these girls could turn around and spend the money on another man?

[@vidard9863]

To some extent it is the same thing, but possibly worse. They were just guys who wanted to be appreciated even if it wasn't real. The reason I think that it might be worse is that I moved to the Sates, and about five years later a woman was nice to me. It was so jarring that I thought that she was hitting on me, and more so than the other woman who had been hitting on me in the previous five years, but she was just a nice person. In contrast women are accustomed enough to men being nice that I have heard them complain when men treat them like they treat other men. Apparently Japan is even more reserved so those guys may just be starving for a smile.

[@fancydeer]

I would be interested to hear more about what happens to men who are victims of scams like this. Japan is such a .... traditional? mindset about certain things that I would think male victims wouldn't be taken as seriously when it comes to being taken advantage of by women.

[@vidard9863]

@@fancydeer they go to jail. That's actually a common problem globally. Men don't have access to a "victimless crime" that generates a lot of money fast. A few do turn to servicing the gay community, but generally it's real crimes that get you fast money to impress "your" girl.

[@Jake_808]

Yeah sounds like both genders are being sold sex/relationships. I'm not even a lefty but I'll admit it seems like late stage capitalism nonsense

[@jakubpluhar4914]

It definitely does happen to men, I kinda feel like this has been for a long time more of a male thing to fall for. The provocative female streamer type that has male fans that shower her in donations so that she finally notices them. Or possibly the exact same scenario as these japanese women, except instead of the guys standing around doing prostitution they go in for a long long shift at some company that barely considers them a human.

[@archie3060]

As a lonely man myself (and victim of love scams), I feel so bad for these beautiful women earnestly seeking to fill the emptiness in their hearts. I wish them all the best. This makes me cry.

[@Emppu_T.]

Brought me to the verge of tears. Thank you

[@HankyUSA]

I appreciate the level-headed tone and sincerity. I do wish the video was a little heavier on the data and lighter on the narrative.

[@omgnowairly]

Exactly. Real people rarely have this clean and common story. However, stories like these are common in a few industries. This leans heavily into demonising male host clubs.

[@johndonaldson3619]

And the pathetic piano music

[@1969bobsmith]

Wow, good job!!! It is so nice to see someone like you with a deep concern for this, explaining all of this for these girls. Clearly they are manipulated victims and your compassion for them is refreshing and deeply appreciated. Thank you for making and sharing this video.

[@BEEETRUS]

A "manipulated victim" selling herself for hot men that don't care about her while guys that will genuinely love her die alone lol women will always be "victims" no matter how stupid the decision ls they make are. 😂😂😂

[@RmFrZQ]

I think another reason they are "standing" is they make much more money with less effort, than they would make working exhausting 9 hours per day. It's the fault of the society. Too many people, not enough jobs with decent salaries. A cost of living for the average person became too high to be sustainable on their own. And a cost of living creeps dangerously close to become unsustainable for a family of two in large cities all over the world.

[@mond000]

Also, the salarymen are exhausted from working 9 hours a day, and don't have the time or energy to start a family.

[@tdelioncourt1268]

And I assume they have a bad gender gap?

[@Rob-z7k]

Are those standing girls hookers? I didnt get it

[@marie-ray]

I thought they're standing there after work, since they we're clearly able to pay their bills before going to jost Clubs.

[@jsmith6599]

Not so long ago I did read a certain hentai manga by Shiruka Bakaudon (a female mangaka obsessed with dark plots and characters with mental issues; she also loves putting a sharp social commentaries in her H-works), exactly with the same plot: lonely young woman was infatuated with male host, showered him with gifts and money untill her bank account runs dry. Then he persuaded her to take part in suspicious meeting with middle-aged men. It goes as one could expect and given the author, it ends very badly. I don't remember the title, something from Bokobokorin! series.

[@asherburns2953]

Sounds healthy

[@jakubpluhar4914]

The description kinda reminds me of the famous 277013 (atleast i think that's the H's number)

[@natalyasparrow6748]

Not what I was expecting when I saw the title of this video, but glad I clicked anyway. Such a sad story. I'm not in the best financial shape myself, but I'm getting better and I'd like to support charities like the one you mentioned once I'm stable. I'm planning to visit Japan in the coming years, and I will definitely be thinking of this video when I go. 💜

[@kettch777]

It's a pity that people prey on the lonely....but it's far from unique to Japan. It's just usually men who are the ones preyed upon; Japan is unique in which gender suffering from it....but then, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that men are experiencing something similar from "hostesses" and just have a different way of getting their "girlfriends" cash. Maybe Japan needs some social clubs where people can meet up and get to know each other while engaging in fun social activities, like board games, karaoke and the like. Would Japanese be more willing to open up and talk if there were a place specifically for that purpose and they knew that before coming?

[@IZooNaaaRz]

Just saying men have the same problem with female host but they end up dead not prostitute...

[@razxberrie]

Men are not the only ones who suffer from loneliness… that was the whole point of the video. Why do you continue to see things from one side of the coin when it comes to loneliness?

[@PyromaN93]

​@@razxberrieidk, for any eastern european whole idea of such "service" is too hard to wrap over head.

[@namedrop721]

@@PyromaN93you mean it is difficult for you to understand women have feelings 😂 Before you were such a philosopher and someone asks you a question ‘i dunno, my culture can’t let me think’😂

[@PyromaN93]

@@namedrop721 no, it's because in Eastern Europe such problem isn't existing, lol.

[@simon5144]

Great video! Since the opening of Japan in March 2023 I've seen a huge increase of "Standing women" near my house around Yokohama station. I was really worried and wondering what was going on....

[@ThePk8mile]

Is it illegal to use their services? If it is how come they can stay there and not be arrested?

[@simon5144]

@@ThePk8mile In Japan there are a lot of grey zone in the s*x industry. It is legal to use their service as long as it doesn't include actual reproductive organ penetration (but who knows what happens behind closed doors right?).

[@linboh2664]

⁠@@ThePk8mileyes it is illegal but there are a lot of loopholes in the law that a lot of people use to their advantage to get their way around it. For example in their case what they’re selling is their dating service a dating experience with a young woman so as to speak. But that is what they are mainly selling and if something more happens along the way then it’s between the individuals. But mind you some of these girls are minors so if you’re caught then yeah you’re dead. There are lots of cases where these girls also might be missing people or runaways so it’s better to report them to the police is what I would like to say if it weren’t for their unfortunate circumstances. A lot of women who get caught up in this gig often have abusive and toxic backgrounds that’s why they often end up following these hosts. It’s as the saying goes a child who never had the love or acknowledgment of their parents will go seek someone else from it even if they are the wrong people.

[@vidard9863]

Yeah, those lockdowns really seem to have messed a lot of people up....

[@chrisrishermn]

I heard from another KZbin that Japan is getting poorer and poorer. That is my explanation.

[@whateverprecisely]

This is a good video. Thank you for the captions.

[@samsolitaryroll]

I feel like this issue of loneliness in Japan is very ironic, considering that Tokyo is a pretty much a densely populated country. I know from other KZbinrs that Japanese is a collectivist society, but I never realized that the 'mind your own business' mentality is THAT strong there. I also find it fascinating that on the other side of the world liberalism is so prominent to the point of denying reality. I know how it feels to be lonely in a crowd and for people who says "try to reach out", it's never that easy. Especially if we don't know how to reach out properly and to who so we don't het manipulated like with the case on this video.

[@elgoog-the-third]

It may be more pronounced in Tokyo and other Japanese cities, but ultimately, that kind of loneliness is an issue in every metropolis, in most large cities even. Nobody notices you, you disappear in the masses; and you either have a group of friends and a social "safety net", or you don't and end up a lonely person on a statistic. Japan is culturally collectivist, but like most western countries, it is very socially individualistic, especially in the cities.

[@Nokabro]

Japan is a rare and special place, but not without its problems. I hope that those dealing with these issues can get help.

[@cherylyoke4872]

Thank you for your sensitive and thorough explanation of HOST culture in Japan, especially Tokyo. My granddaughter wants to visit Japan and has gotten A in studying the Japanese language. I will try to explain this to her and encourage her to watch your video.

[@ingridbmangubat]

Thank you so much for this. I've only recently learned about how big of a problem male host clubs have become here in Japan. You handled this subject with such empathy and compassion towards the victims. As a church worker in Japan, I have been more and more compelled to start something to help the Japanese youth to find a way to develop real healthy relationships with others so they won't be easily lured by exploitative and abusive pseudo relationships. I live in the countryside so there isn't much of a red light district here. But I do notice that there is very little chance or space for the Japanese youth to find normal, healthy ways to socialize outside of school. So when they graduate high school or university, they get sucked in the working world and their social life takes a nose dive. They become increasingly depraved of time with real friends and this can lead some to find ways to feel loved or cared for. It's heartbreaking how this is becoming more and more widespread and deep seated...

[@IZooNaaaRz]

Just saying men have the same problem with female host but they end up dead not prostitute...

[@ZOA360]

Japan needs Serious Social Help, Not just on a personal level but on a professional level.

[@Pry0g9O]

Maybe, try to bring abrahamic religion could works

[@Mendrawza24]

​@@Pry0g9Othere are missionary efforts

[@SophieHanna-sn9hc]

Japan desperatly needs Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💚

[@HollyMacNaughton]

If you are in the UK or USA, you have absolutely NO ROOM to talk. That's the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen it. Truth is, the pot is far blacker!

[@HollyMacNaughton]

​@@SophieHanna-sn9hcThe USA has Jesus but it is far more evil than Japan.

[@amjadmustafa78]

Great piece of journalism. Many thanks for the excellent report and the professional tone. I didn't think loneliness could drive people to such extremes.

[@DiogoSantos-ix5sl]

Amazing, informative and well balanced. Thank you.

[@Taylorocksocks]

Thank you for sharing this important informative and helping to information people about this serious issue!

[@juliesmith6228]

Thank you for creating a thoughtful and caring video about a sad and serious issue.

[@jmdesp]

Hi, I found your analysis was the best I've seen about this phenomena and the most kind about what those women go through. I would love to share it widely with french people interested about Japan, but the lack of french subtitles will be a limit for that. Would there be any way I could help you add them ? (In the past you could volunteer to provide foreign language subtitles to youtube video, but not anymore I see. And the automated translation is quite far from satisfying)

[@Rose_Castle]

There is also an issue with this type of human trafficking. People, as a generalisation, tend to only take seriously human trafficking that involves some kind of kidnapping or the removal of their documents. Without further details, identifying this as either "sex work" or "trafficking" is very hard and grey. But this situation also puts them in that precarious position. People will say they are stupid, it is their fault, they have no sympathy, etc etc. A lot of these people who say such things have never experienced that kind of emotional manipulation and are not well versed in it. They don't know that most people in the world are susceptible to some con or another, and if they hear they they will not believe it. They believe heavily in "personal responsibility" and do not recognise that people with their mindsets, who insist they would never be a victim, are actually frequently victims. We could all stand to have more empathy. Most of us have felt a degree of loneliness, but most of us have been very lucky that no one ever took advantage of that loneliness like that. Loneliness can be extremely debilitating for a highly social animal like a human. Act and speak with kindness first.

[@laidback-luc]

12:04 Spit out my drink at the Russell Westbrook quote 😂 Anyway, really interesting video man… I admire the work you put into this and the light you’ve shined on this perplexing sociological issue. I hope Japan can rectify this issue over time

[@mikecarbone828]

These young men “hosts” are actually nothing more than pimps, at least that is essentially what they would be here in the Western world, as they fill the same role as a pimp, and they treat the young women exactly the same, as a source of revenue, while they relax and enjoy the fruits of their women’s “work” by taking all of the money. This is a terrible way to treat young women in any society, and I would expect that some solution could be found to prevent this from happening to the young women in Japan, and in South Korea as well as other countries and societies, as I suspect that this also happens in China as well. People exploiting people is found everywhere around the world, however, in this modern world in which we all live now, this behaviour should be prevented somehow. Thanks for sharing! Please have an excellent and awesome day! ☀️✨🙏🏻

[@alexplayslife7782]

This is one of many major reasons sex work should be both legalized and well regulated, as opposed to whatever this it.

[@elegantcrawfish9390]

No, just no

[@alexplayslife7782]

@@elegantcrawfish9390 care to elaborate on why legalizing and regulating an industry (thus making it safer) is a bad thing? Is it just because you don't like it? Because if so, no one is forcing you to hire prostitutes, or to be one yourself.

[@elegantcrawfish9390]

@@alexplayslife7782 moralities has nothing to do with it. We’ve seen how addicted men are to porn. Now imagine with legalized prostitution how much easier it’ll be for these guys to hire prostitutes. I’ll leave the rest up to your imagination.

[@alexplayslife7782]

Literally the whole point of regulating sex work is to make sure no one is forced into it, and that there's a safe way to partake in the industry that will continue to exist whether or not you or your government likes it. Regulating the industry would help tens of thousands, and all it would do is hurt the feelings of cuper conservative/religious people with control issues.

[@elegantcrawfish9390]

Didn’t read my comment.

[@chumanimgijimachumani2059]

Amazing insights🙌🏾❤love your work🇿🇦

[@hanzo2001]

Isn't this just the female side of male prostitution? - lonely men, - desperately infatuated men, - men with an itch for "service" are all the same versions from the male side looking for female "services". The females have to perform good to keep the clients coming and spending the money. I don't see how this is so different. What is surprising is that some females will end up in the same "services" industry. That is a strange pipeline. Human sadness out in the open. Hopefully, everything can develop respectfully and the people who are being manipulated can find support elsewhere to break free from it. The youth has to primed against this manipulative behavior but you cannot do this by living a sheltered life. The example case is of a countryside girl with no countermeasures aginst manipulation and primed by the coldness of the city. Japan has got to get a bunch of seriously minded people to break the cycle of dehumanization indirectly caused by a culture of .... shame? I don't know actually. These are issues for the smarter and older people to solve. There has to be some cultural movement that can save them from the apathy, loneliness, desperation and still promote mating, babies and families. This materialism is slowly killing every country regardless of their developmental stage and geographic location.

[@YvonneHoerde]

Which man is tricked into prostitution by a woman?

[@paragonone]

2:25 What is the source you used for Value of Global Sex Trade Markets? I couldn’t find it anywhere.

[@dageevil]

Thanks for your citizen journalism. Loneliness is a topic of world wide men and women in advanced economic societies.

[@moonlambo5229]

What a bizarre situation.

[@nobodythenobody9779]

Yeah and it’s crazy how they have an issue with it happening to them, but when it happens to guys on a daily they support it

[@arnaudkleinveld4825]

Thanks

[@pimpalamac3411]

Did that graph say china instead of japan at 3:24?

[@alexjackyperson101]

Yes

[@GoGoHopping]

"How Japan Came to Have a Standing Women Problem"... Give them chairs and ask them to sit down, problem solved.

[@smellybearc7411]

Ayo

[@edhikurniawan]

Lol, are you sure it won't just change into; Sitting woman problem. Twice clickbaity when used as title.

[@isaacng315]

thanks for sharing, makes this upcoming visit with my gf in Dec more meaningful. As fellow Asian can relate to this loneliness crisis. Meaningful relationships and friendships are hard to come by in Asian cultures and societies.

[@ArtoriaPendragon-t8m]

It appears that loneliness is an international epidemic. My sympathy to all.

[@GTRNights]

I've had relations with a number of Korean women, being an American, and one of the biggest complaints I heard from women was exactly as mentioned here. Men are all sweet and kind during courtship, but as soon as the wedding is over, she is basically ignored and all the man does is work and drink and expect her to take care of everything else, house, bills, shopping, cleaning, birthing and raising kids. They feel there's absolutely zero emotional connection or investment and they feel betrayed. Korean women will never admit it (particularly due to the Asian culture of 'saving face') and image being everything, but behind closed doors, married Korean women are resentful, in a lot of pain, and more than happy to experience intimacy with someone else. People complain that Asian men cheat a lot... well.. I can tell you from experience that even married Asian women are no exception, and will not hesitate as long as they know they can trust you and you can provide the intimacy they desperately need. Just don't expect them to divorce for you or even acknowledge you publicly. You will always be a dark secret meant to be forgotten afterward.

[@TheReasonableSkeptic-ii4te]

Excellent report. A real service to your subjects, by describing who they are, and to the audience, who should take mental health problems seriously. We can all "fall on hard times." 👍

[@michaelhicks5587]

actually this kind of coercion happens all day every day and every place from rural areas to densely populated places as a matter of fact allot of the times the guys that attract theyre attention are very diverse and often want no more than a hamburger or a quicky this happens so much all over and the most vulnerable are the younger ones

[@wildphilpresents]

A tragic story. I wish the government in Japan would do more to curb the Host club issue. It's so sad that people treat Japan as a theme park and really need to take the society as the real world it is. Thank you for sharing Tragic Hub and other non-profits to help bring awareness and possibly help for these people. Thank you.

[@beruritsu07]

The sincerity of this video is excellent. These people are human beings. I appreciate the care taken to share facts and reality in a sensitive manner.

[@keyboardbunny]

So glad I'll would never have these kind of problems. Covid lock down was the best time in my life. Not needing to interact with people is awesome. Back when I was in high school I had to be like everyone else to fit in, make friends, hang out with with people and it drained so much energy. After entering university, everyone was split up at different uni doing different things so finally I was free. I appear at my lectures often 5min -10min late and I'll be the first one out of there running home asap. I don't want to give any chances for anyone to talk to me lol. I lie about my class time often to avoid hanging out with people. But always have to fake being people friendly because I don't want to come off as a weirdo or have people think I don't like them. I just hate socialising that's all. I can never understand why most people crave attention, friendship or family. I actively try to distance myself from then. To me I make better friends online because we only need to talk about common interests, music, art, anime, games so on. They don't know me in real life and I don't know them it's perfect. No gossips too which is the biggest waste of time. I just love watching tv, playing video games, learning different things like art, craft, documentary. There's not enough time to do all of that plus work making a living. I don't know how anyone has time to spare for socialising. I can't remember the last time I met or hangout with friends. I only go out alone to do things I want and I am very efficient at that. Head to where I want to heard to, look at or buy what I want then straight home. I love keeping to myself and living in Japan was the best. One big annoying down side is actually there are a lot of religious people trying to get you to join their church. It's really annoying. People come knocking on your door!!

[@carlosemiralonso7997]

I'm from Argentina. Here people try to convince you to join their church too. IS normal. For them is like trying to do charity, they felt happy about it. About the whole crave for social, they are extroverts, me I'm introvert. The way it works in the brain at least is; you and me probably recharge energy on the brain by reading. The extroverts by chatting. Have a good one!

[@paraxicgaming5743]

Heh didn't think there was anyone else like this, that's basically how I am minus going to school(USA tuition costs more than a home mortgage with a chance of being worthless and leaving you with a lifelong debt), not real big on long format stuff my attention span is rather short(ADHD), I spend a great deal of time learning about tech, tools, art(not that I am any good at art, I enjoy the process though), generally how things work or are made. Kinda wild literally on the other side of the world someone is doing the same thing 😅

[@Lock2002ful]

Didn’t you already do this video?

[@Hansenwork]

He provided an explanation on the pinned comment.

[@moonlambo5229]

This was a great video. Glad I watched it again.

[@Ashnurazg]

I was in Japan nearly 2 months ago for around 10 days, a trip around Japan with the Shinkansen. Tokyo was the last stop before heading back home. Japan is such an awesome country, the people are so friendly, respectful and nice to each other and so rich in culture and cuisine. I did not visited the red light district in Tokyo, but noticed the a lot of young women standing at the streets of Akihabara and advertising for a girls bars or maids cafés on the streets. Sure, they are not sex workers, but it made me feel highly uncomfortable to see those young women in maid dresses standing on the street for the whole day. I was like an hour in Akihabara, roaming around the streets, having a look into a few shops and had to leave because I felt so wrong to be there in that area that is tailored to be an otaku paradise. I know Japan is the land of the extremes, on one hand one of the friendliest and cleanest lands, int the other hand the land with a lot of social issues and pressure on the people. That pressure starts on early age with the school to perform extremely well, followed by the pressure at work and universities. That pressure have its negative side effects of people developing social issues like depression, social isolation and even can lead to suicide if they can't hold against that pressure. The weird thing in Japan is the vast amount of kanji character that you have to learn in order to read anything in Japan, instead of using the easier syllabaries like Hiragana and Katakana or latin characters. You basicly have to keep learning new kanji characters for your whole life. Not that widely known kanji have the meaning in syllables on top, but well, for learners of kanji and Japan language it's not that easy. Back to the main topic, forced sex workers are not a Japan only thing, this is a worldwide issue. I don't have anything again sex workers, because it's their job, but only if they have chosen to do this job without the pressure of someone forcing them.

[@Saavik256]

I lived in Nagoya for a while some years back. Never understood how the whole host club culture can even be legal. These women need help, not to be sold out for "services".

[@stephenjenkins7971]

Of course it's legal, it's just emotional prostitution. And men have been exploited like this all the time by such people. Just because it's predatory, doesn't mean it should be illegal.

[@vetetocm]

That is so sad. Poor young people they must be so depressed and lonely. And I am sure for most of them there is no way out.