How Jocko Would Fix the Department of Defense | Mike Drop 222

[@timburke127]

If you're on the joint chiefs of staff, the next rank is the board of Raytheon.

[@VetinCloud]

Say the the third paragraph of the Raytheon creed.

[@713Tavernilla]

There HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY for the Afghanistan pullout debacle. No fines and handslaps. Job termination, jail and/or prison.

[@traind]

For the most part, there has been accountability... Biden was not re-elected. The SecDef and central command commander brought Biden multiple options to exit Afghanistan and Biden (or Jill Biden and/or the 35 year old mba who was actually in charge) rejected those plans and gave a direct order that resulted in what happened. Austin and the Marine general who commanded Centcom at the time could have publicly resigned in opposition but they followed orders instead. If they didn't, someone else would have done it. That's a judgement call. Technically, I believe Biden's order was lawful even though it was a disaster.

[@mutley66]

Yep arrest Trump for talking tough and doing NOTHING about the Taliban build up that Biden inherited.

[@roberthunden1757]

Milley was unconditionally pardoned.

[@DontLetTheOldManIn]

Biden needs to go. The joint chiefs all need to pay a price.

[@HardcoreFourSix]

One huge problem is the Top-Heavy nature of the DOD. We have more flag-grade officers (or at least as many) as we did during WWII, when the Department of WAR and the Department of the Navy were 10X bigger than our current force. The Generals and Admirals also can be corrupted by the lure of post-retirement board memberships with defense manufacturers. Perhaps it should be illegal for anyone above O-6 to take $ from the defense industry, not just for 1 year, but permanently. All the woke/DEI/social experiments need to go and we need to focus on tough, realistic training and high standards

[@joelpierce3940]

The parents of the 13 who died at Abbey Gate, and those who were injured won’t forget this fiasco!

[@toddjenest3212]

We have NO need for over 40+ generals! 🙄

[@paulblack5679]

Good conversation Mike! Jocko knows his stuff and is on target.

[@Widemouth1832]

When people at the top have a career first mentality as opposed to looking out for the people at thr bottom, stuff like this happens. My Dad's and his friends experience in Vietnam effects the way I see these situations. So many good people were killed, injured and affected for life so people at the top could push politics and careers. History has shown that to be a disaster. We have to change that as soon as we can.

[@luddite4change449]

In the 1940s the US made a decision to go from a professional personnel model for life time employment with slow but mostly guaranteed promotion, to a shorter career model that incorporates many aspects of March Madness. A professional model creates professional behaviors, a career model generates self centered career behaviors. Bonus. The longer professional model required fewer general/flag officers to function.

[@jeffreypotts3493]

This is the damn most true and nonpartisan thing I have read in a long time. When I was serving (my time as an O not when I was an E). I used to say if you want to make the next grade you are too concerned with looking a certain way. You perform best when you want to get out, when I put in my papers to resign my commission, I didn’t give a flying F and was a pain in the butt to my command, but my guys would have run through walls for me

[@Zippy-da-Chimp]

"Uproot some of the weeds..." 👍👍👍👍👍

[@darbyheavey406]

David Hackworth talked about he threat of careerism- he thought draftees were a counter to career officers who were Notre interested in not rocking the boat.

[@user-cn4tc5tq2s]

+1! EVERY American military recruit seeking a command appointment, especially through one of the service academies, must read David's book "Steel My Soldiers' Hearts - Hopeless to Hardcore" and take to heart and mind his experience with 4/39 9th Infantry Div. and how he turned this unit around using mostly the most undisciplined and rebellious non-comms and company level officers. One of them was my brother who Col. Hackworth briefly discussed "from NYC" in his book. Col. Hackworth is the antithesis of a Mark Milley and like ilk. A must read for anyone charged with the responsibility for young American men who now, or will, offer their lives in defense of this Country. RIP Col. David H. Hackworth.

[@Johnnyo1300]

We need change there’s no doubt about it

[@charlessteadman2518]

I think Jocko needs to be the SEC Def.

[@larryapl]

Pete will do just fine.

[@charlessteadman2518]

@@larryapl Good. But Jocko is better.

[@justinpaul1229]

Damn that would be a great move

[@nicechock]

matters zero who it is

[@agriskaminskis9352]

@@larryapl Pete Hegseth faced scrutiny over his level of experience and personal conduct. He reportedly headed veterans org and bankrupted it. So he couldn't handle leadership of 30 person veteran organization. Interesting candidate.

[@explore_off_road]

From an outsider looking in .... this may cause a stir ... the American Army has been beat up lately. The big war machine of the U.S. hasn't been performing. Not because of the troops of all divisions, but because of leadership and it's pussy footing, bleeding heart stance. It's like Jacko said, "What is the Department of Defense for ... to fight and win wars." And the Military hasn't seemed to have been allowed to be WarFighters and do their jobs. We always hear from the "Experts" over hear in their comfy chairs explaining fighting wars ... but never the people on the ground (because they can't) ... the frustration of not being able to do their job. How many just hang their head in frustration by orders that were passed down? "But they are right there and it could be done!" Type thing

[@Rockyspropertycare]

Change agents are never liked until after they leave and their successes are realized years later.

[@rufuslynks8175]

So many great leaders in our historical inventory, and it is good to see those, like Hackworth, recognized with their lessons learned and applied.

[@Aron-79]

Respect 🫡🪖🫡⚓️🇺🇸

[@mack1305]

I was never the most Gung Ho soldier but I really started to get concerned when time outs were given during basic when a recruit was "stressed".

[@VetinCloud]

That t shirt analogy hit so close to home.

[@opeth1429]

Much of the waste, fraud and abuse in the DoD comes from contract fulfilment. Bonuses are paid to contractors even when milestones are missed and QA is ignored. That wasted money can be used for essentials needed for warfighting- "beans, bullets, bandages". Next, the DoD can focus on warfighting instead of "peacekeeping" and "nation building". The US military has never been properly equipped for this, and it should not be in the business of doing either. It's in the business of closing with and destroying the enemy. Finally, the DoD needs something out of it's control, but that is in the control of citizens- it needs civilian-elected leadership that creates foreign policy to limit the number of deployments into hostile areas. If we truly respect Americans in uniform, then we should only deploy them when it is absolutely necessary to do so.

[@Frank-r7t]

Jocko for President

[@70stunes71]

Excellent brothers 👍💯🇱🇷

[@wcobb5530]

Spot on

[@DeepFishMedia]

I think the commanders on the ground were presented with a very difficult cascading defeat lead by incredibly inexperience senior WH executive leadership who had hit conflict constipation. As someone remotely involved in the extraction process, with my spouse sitting right next to me doing her part with DoS I think there is a another lens to look at the withdrawal. When handed, an empty glass I support the ground commanders and workers trying to make it work. As a commander my number one job is to ensure the safe return of my troops from any conflict when its within my power. I don't have the option of quitting in the middle of the fight. I think resignation in process is not the answer building success with the teams you have is the answer. Never again should be your motto.

[@gregring895]

The use it or lose it budgets are a big problem.

[@gregring895]

Budgets should be based on proven needs to accomplish the mission and remain ready with training.

[@brucespencer6877]

Jocko is just fine where he is.

[@cooziedoo]

The promotion system has been --ed for AT LEAST the last 26 years (from the day I commissioned til present). Where did the “yellow T-shirt” people come from because SOMEONE up the chain truly believes that’s court martial worthy. I don’t want to hear commissioning source…I was a service academy guy and that was NOT what I was taught. It is incumbent on leaders at all levels to know when to say no. Not disobey…not disrespect…say no and tell the truth. Too many people are more worried about the next promotion than the mission and their people. I really think we need to clean house. By we, I mean they…I’m retired.

[@Splinter9543]

"It's hard to get in their heads to know what they're thinking." No, it is not. It's the same mentality a pilot flying over little dots running around on the ground while pushing a button to release munitions has. It's, without a doubt, impersonal. It's an absolute disconnect with near zero intel and easy to mentally get over when you're pushing a button and "flying" back to a warm cozy bed with your family calling you a "hero"... I don't speak rhymes. IDK God bless America

[@Tour30A]

Great ending... That is the question.

[@Creaserunner]

This sounds a lot like education and if you guys say this guy taking over the department of defense then I will trust you that you know what you are doing. I would say that the same respect should be offered to the department of education and the schools of this nation. I can’t imagine somebody coming in and saying we’re gonna take over the department of defense close it down and get it all back to the states which doesn’t make any sense. hitwo have not been a fan of the Department of Education but that’s because politicians are running the show instead of true educators. I would love to change it like a real teacher taking over getting rid of all the politicians and making decisions that are based on the data and science, and get the politicians, many of who are principles and other administration, and states. And fully fund education, so that we can have an educated population to make good decisions, and even go, serve in the military. What we have right now are too many people that are so out of shape that the military can’t take them and not intelligent enough to. Take care of these complex weapons systems.

[@Welldunn]

The changes have to be made at the military academies all the way to the VA and the DOD and pentagon.

[@agriskaminskis9352]

Deterence is actually the most important goal of the military. According to some.

[@The_Superpack]

It should be but they make money on wars. We have to find ways to pay for things without starting them going forward. But finishing wars if def still going to be a thing. So long as everyone is getting money in the future and our country and the world is safe… it should be fine for everyone. I am tryna take us there. We got to win some more stuff though first.

[@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle]

Not by some. Strategic deterrence is the #1 priority of the National defense strategy

[@Rockyspropertycare]

No generals should ever be a sec def.

[@Jetwaterrunnerfeller]

Vet your questions ahead of time. Be concise. Straight to the question and stop. 10 word or less. Use AI to help you formulate specific direct questions. Then let the guest speak. Good luck.

[@Krazy6ix]

Whats jockos baseline? is he referring to identify politics?

[@mattturner5750]

Lack of focus on Lethality. Same as Hegseth's

[@nomachou6813]

Interview Eric Demming next

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

End the wokeness! Begin by renaming Fort Lee, Fort Bragg, and others back to to their original names!

[@eddyer3393]

it is so simple same as with the civil sevice Make them explain their budget. The axe falls on dead wood. But not always - it is healthy for the forest to have some thinning, some glades, open sky through the canopy. It is or invites another eco system. It lets in the light. All the critters, worms and grubs go scurrying. You wouldn't be interested. There is honesty on the forest floor - in the sand - at sea. It is not what do you want, but rather what do we need? anticipation, expectation - in our future - to get there we start, here unfortunately it is not so much a team sport as we hope - Each unit has a gauntlet to run. Then it rolls up - I see some got it, some don't, some will, some won't - common - denominator --- Made on Earth - by Humans. If we don't kill ourselves first. Hum Back to the stone age. The way every character begins the game, empty handed what God graced us with, an accident of birth. We age God willing - Starting out - no money, no food, not much of anything - we find sticks and stones - then begin the search. Some may be born into luxury and have a table to sit at but it is still the same, it scales. The rich and powerful suffer too - each an individual on a quest. Life an adventure - could be - it is up to you. I say roll the dice, Elon said no dice. Actually no die but that is the basic idea - and a really good story for another time. sfat - no die - run away ha Fix the DOD - Yes - explain your budget. Each agency, position, job, rank and file - what is good for he goose is good for the gander. I will leave you to it. TU IT Get a round - TUIT

[@grundy333]

Need Jocko to get out from behind a mic and get his hands dirty to help this country. It needs him. Now.

[@packman579]

Talk to Pete Hegseth

[@Comanche669]

Tim Kelly can fix it just ask him

[@MartinTower-o6f]

Exactly

[@ExecutiveZombie]

How will we take Team Le Pew? ☝🏽

[@The_Superpack]

Who’s team Le pew? Lol

[@ExecutiveZombie]

@ It’s my friends’ team captain, who troll my comments and one of them is like “Pepe Le Pew” 😂 Warner Bros Animation. Mexican Nicknames 😎

[@The_Superpack]

@ noice broski lmao

[@joelpierce3940]

I could be a turnip! 😊

[@AnthonyGTrees]

Dinosaur’s sitting talking about the future.

[@igotsome4526]

jocko couldnt fix his own platoon how the hell does he know what needs to be fixed? hes a failed leader himself

[@theblackspark2644]

There's no evidence to support your accusations.

[@BCHOMEHUNTER]

Jocko you’re sounding somewhat like a staff officer, corporate suit or politician carefully mincing words when answering several questions. Not used to that.

[@theimpaler5034]

Ban alcohol in the military I was in the Serbian army in 1994 you only got 1 glass of wine for NEW years eve and a 0 alcohol policy you can only drink on leave and on release days

[@CroutonComedy86]

No one would reenlist

[@mongobongo91]

@@theimpaler5034 wow! That's amazing. I know so many marines lives that wouldn't have been ruined or lost if that was the policy. I was a rager back then, stone cold sober now!

[@theimpaler5034]

@ congratulations on being sober chin up chest out and be proud

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

What are release days?

[@theimpaler5034]

@ in the Serbian military you live in the barracks and you need permission to leave the barracks so u can get approved to go out from 15:30h till 0000h pm if they give you a permit example I was in lockdown for 6 month Becuase of teorism so I couldn’t leave the barracks at all

[@lwelk273]

Cant do anything when administration gets 4 years.... that's the issue! Current selection has boys n girls with no experience...just like the realtor. Bad shape but 3 years we will go forward again.

[@mtnregnar198]

ISIS has been wiped out?

[@okcomputer0101]

News to me. 😄

[@canispugnax4684]

Jocko wasn't saying nothing before the election's... Opportunistic.

[@floridaman954-m2n]

💪💪💪💪💪

[@johnbarry9641]

I just looked up charlatan in the dictionary. Charlatan: Jocko Willink

[@williamscore5322]

Emma has two moms! Hahahahahahaha

[@jta1973]

Also - Put fleet sailors back in dungarees. If they want to wear cammies, let them try out for the USMC.

[@sharkswithlazerbeameyeball6878]

Fuck Yeah Big Jocko Sec Def This Should Be

[@redacted5035]

Wait I thought Jocko was “eXpOsEd” by the antihero podcast? 🤔 perhappenstance…they’re actually just full of crap? 💩

[@agriskaminskis9352]

"decentralized command will fix US war fighting" so it's basically viewing the world through narrow personal experience. All respect to Jocko where respect is due, but there is a growing problem of Jockos and Rogans couch-experting the world, and talking about things they don't know much about and their audience going along. Trivialization of any problem. Dumb-crowding the real world problems.

[@agriskaminskis9352]

Also Jocko keeps "advising" Ukrainians to fight "like insurgents" against Russia, "insurgent warfare recommendation". This is total nonsense advice, he's clueless. superimposing his last war experience?

[@MrB1gPants]

Yeah, I agree Jocko doesn't know anything about leadership or anything going on elsewhere in the world.. he should stick to selling supplements and jujitsu gis😂

[@fooleanperspective1426]

@@agriskaminskis9352yeah Ukraine is fighting in areas of the country that are majority Russian, they will have no civilian support base for Guerrila warfare. Russia don’t play by the Geneva Convention they don’t have rules of engangement. They will deport the Ukrainian population to a holding Center in the far east of Russia until the war is over lol

[@kmartins5604]

Do you know what decentralized command even means?

[@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle]

Decentralized command is literally the most effective military structure the world has ever seen. All the most important information is at the front. All our problems are from people at desks controlling everything

[@Tiger_Smash59]

I really don’t see this improving with the new administration. Trump values loyalists , not thinkers.

[@ianbirge8269]

He values both and wants both, but you can't have disloyal thinkers sabotaging your mission you midwit.

[@charliesmash]

What the fuck is a loyalist…

[@J56609]

All presidents value loyalty but Trump clearly values a military whose only mission is to be the best in the world at killing our enemies and breaking their $hit, period! I’ve seen too many presidents (in both parties) in my 64 years that primarily value the status quo of the rot of never ending bureaucracies. That is why people in both parties tried to destroy Trump…because he is out to destroy the status quo.

[@mongobongo91]

Jocko is part of the problem. Go do a lil study of his career

[@Heathen22]

His jesuit educated Navy bosses are taking care of him

[@TheHistoryUnderground]

I see that somebody has been listening to a few “trust me, bro” podcasts. 😂

[@mongobongo91]

@TheHistoryUnderground no I was in the marine recon (not LAR) jocko and his team had an awful reputation from the beginning. Seems like you might be the one trusting stories of your heros

[@domhouse1]

Interesting that the battle space commander and admiral would go on his podcast then eh

[@mongobongo91]

@domhouse1 not at all if they admit the things that occurred some of which video exists of. Then they are then culpable for failure to maintain order as well as failure to investigate war crimes etc. It's a direct reflection of them. Of course it's in their interests to say all is well. I saw the aftermath after SEALs murdered two fishermen and the entire chain of command covered it up. To include patching the bullet holes on the fishing boat, washing the blood stains, and repainting the boat and burying the bodies at sea. Leadership saying there are no issues is almost a guarantee that there are.

[@darrencleere8388]

the fifth column is the problem

[@okcomputer0101]

I don't understand this. Hegspeth is untrustworthy and unqualified. I love Jocko, but I have to disagree. NO ONE should follow this, Hegspeth. Bros supporting Bros, I guess.

[@lewy1]

Fire Hegseth

[@rollingrock3480]

I doubt Hegseth can even name every nuclear-armed country in the world. Give his job back to Jim Mattis. Oh wait, Mattis won't work with Trump. What does that tell you?

[@joefrederick6471]

United States, Russia, France, China, the United Kingdom, Pakistan, India, Israel, and North Korea. That being answered, it necessary to have those around you that know the finer details of things and not be focused on these things when you are leading. Leading require a person focus on that. It’s like asking the CEO of GM what the tolerance is on a V8 engine valve- something he doesn’t need to know. Based on the confirmation hearing, I’m pretty sure that Hegseth knows the answer I gave above.

[@kevingalligan2846]

It tells us you likely dont have many friends..

[@Widemouth1832]

Mattis wanted to keep troops on Syria and waste more money and lives. Mattis appears to be as captured by the MIC as anyone else. We no longer need people who want these endless wars so they can make careers for themselves in think tanks and boards of defense contractors.

[@okcomputer0101]

Not Qualified. But a Bro.

[@rollingrock3480]

@ Keep dreaming, Hegseth couldn't even name one country in ASEAN, in fact he named 3 nations that aren't even in ASEAN and said they were in ASEAN. He's unqualified to lead US military strategy in ASEAN. And no, knowing the nuclear-armed powers is not as worthless as an auto company CEO knowing the tolerance on a V8 engine valve, it's more like that CEO being able to name all major competitors to his auto company. But there will always be fanbois out there who love all these random people, brands, etc... and will defend them no matter what.

[@rjbennett3418]

Probably not have a rotting orange in charge of the whole deal. Nah...