How Judge Cannon Killed The Documents Case ft. Liz Dye

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[@osmosisjones4912]

Turns those Documents were sent to Trump by the DOJ themselves

[@SD-gs9ns]

Hi the Audio is messed up and is coming in from mostly the right headphone speaker when Liz dye is speaking

[@64t120r]

We know about Cannon, so I won't go on about that. However, this isn't over. Unfortunately this will take time, but I have a good feeling that he will have to face accountability.

[@mikkiharper2612]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 No

[@michaelhgravesjr9608]

Trump has always been a karma Houdini. One dollar will get you one million that he NEVER sees true accountability for ANY of his crimes, even if trials proceed.

[@PaulaReverbel]

"If you took a bunch of national security documents from the White House, you'll want a good lawyer." Actually, I'd rather have a subserviently faithful judge.

[@ACME_Kinetics]

A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.

[@DA-ti6pc]

Right and with that biden, trump and clinton, pence etc are all guilty of doing that. But dems just want to go after the obstruction. Selective law at its best

[@spvillano]

Not any longer, one judge has effectively neutered the government's authority to govern its own secret documents. Indeed, espionage cases that are long settled by convictions are now in danger of being overturned based upon this precedent. Oddly, there are procedures and documentation methods to reclassify a document, they're a royal PIA, but it's literally routinely conducted. Oddly, not a one involves just taking a document home and leaving it in the bathroom for use as emergency toilet paper or waving it around inside of a bar.

[@Wertsir]

@@ACME_Kineticsthe best lawyer owns the judge.

[@AndrewH1994]

@@WertsirThe god of lawyers IS the judge

[@Zenobeus]

The number of people I've seen in my military career who were imprisoned, lost their clearance, or were discharged for far less than what Mr. Trump did with classified information is both depressing and infuriating.

[@caesar-dynastysports]

Yep, for example, Reality Winner got 5 years for a single document.

[@SMDoktorPepper]

It was an executable offence. They hung the Rosenbergs with MUCH less evidence than what Drumpf has pulled.

[@whatgamesweplay]

I'm guessing none of those people got to appoint their own judges

[@Teeabee]

"Different spanks for different ranks", as the saying goes.

[@antonnurwald5700]

If you have a military background maybe you have an opinion about the military vote and whether it will stay as reliably republican as it used to.

[@mrbrainly]

"Justice delayed is justice denied" has never felt more apt

[@AlexBrantZawadzki]

Justice Delayed sounds like a good nickname for Cannon. Justice Delayed Development

[@beckydoesit9331]

You think Biden will face charges on his lame assignation attempt? No.

[@mrcroob8563]

​@@beckydoesit9331How about things that are actually proven to be true lmao

[@AlexBrantZawadzki]

@@beckydoesit9331 Fake news there was no such attempt. Not even close. Someone was just a snowflake and overreacted to a nothingburger

[@JABRIEL251]

@@beckydoesit9331 Not just whataboutism, whataboutism that is not true.

[@4RILDIGITAL]

It's astonishing to see the intricacies of the legal system in play. It's disheartening how a trial of such importance can be delayed and possibly even derailed.

[@rileymcphee9429]

Imagine being Jack Smith, a renowned prosecutor for war crimes at The Hague, having to prosecute an open-and-shut case only to be completely sabotaged and derailed by some no-name judge who got their job by the defendant..

[@manueldaniel2654]

Twilight Zone😢

[@user-pe3fk1fb1o]

Pretty much. Aside from Trump supporters, no one in the US (or the rest of the world for that matter) is going to take someone like Cannon seriously. Literally any other judge with no conflict of interest present would have entertained all of these delays proposed by the defense. To do otherwise is an act of partisanship, incompetence, or both. To be frank, I'm strongly leaning towards both, but the latter alone is very tempting.

[@stone5against1]

@@user-pe3fk1fb1o She's a trump supporter, of course she's both.

[@andrewlyon4495]

Calling her a no name is unfair. Putting aside her current infamy, I would guess she could easily be a shoe in for a the next supreme court vacancy if Trump wins in November.

[@rileymcphee9429]

@andrewlyon4495 with her loyalty, I'd be surprised if she's not his VP lol

[@Lutefisk_lover]

Between Cannon openly protecting Trump, Clarence's blatant corruption, and Alito's flags, no wonder the judiciary is having a credibility crisis.

[@GoldtriggerDude]

We are witnessing the end of America in real-time.

[@CameronHuff]

And a lot of republican controlled states have passed laws to ignore the votes they don't like. Biden could win the popular vote, but the Electoral College goes to the orange turd, no matter how many states voted for Biden. You'd think the republicans rich puppet masters don't want another civil war, but seems like that's the way we're going.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Dumpster fire is a better description.

[@CollinMcLean]

I wouldn't call it a crisis... it's going very well for them! They don't have to worry about a damn thing. It's just the rest of us getting screwed.

[@hus390]

Rubbish and bias reporting. For you and Partisan democrats, you want the judge to operate under a political calendar, when she not just have no obligation to do so, but to ignore politics all together.

[@Fatespinner]

Who knew letting the defendant pick his own judge would go poorly?

[@Snarl_Marx]

Imagine my shock.

[@MS-jp3op]

And yet the right has the gall to claim the left are corrupt and engage in cronyism.

[@Junksaint]

We all knew this would happen. We know he'll win too and all your hopes will be dashed against rocks. People just didn't do enough to stave off authoritarianism. We all thought, surely someone will stop this. While sitting silent.

[@GrifoStelle]

XD

[@giselematthews7949]

Who knew?

[@efulmer8675]

7:10 Liz Dye missed the fact that Judge Cannon *barred* Smith and his team from building a SCIF near her courtroom and *then* got mad at Smith for not doing so.

[@LordVysh]

The irony of a dude appearing along with the words "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW" before describing how the president is above the law.

[@tomas-qr2el]

in a fascist state the law is only a cudgel to be used on your enemies.

[@dreamcoyote]

Gold star for pointing that out :) ⭐

[@lostbutfreesoul]

Republican party at that. Absurdism is grand...!

[@Demonicpurity]

No one is above the law, but driving laws don't apply to boats

[@LordVysh]

@@Demonicpurity most laws related to driving are in some way applied to boats. Not that the comparison really matters because the president is someone just like everyone else so they wouldn't be excluded from the statement "NO ONE is above the law".

[@thormelsted]

She needs to be removed from the case, impeached as a judge, stripped of her law license, and disbarred. She's a disgrace to the legal profession. The fact the legal system can be manipulated in this way is also disgraceful and has created a two-tier legal system. One for the rich and powerful, one for everyone else. Tr*mp MUST be stopped, or we'll never see another Presidential election in this country.

[@BrooklynAvenue]

9 Tier legal system. The owners of our country, wealthy elites just behind them, politicians, middle class white males, white women, Asians, Hispanics, Black women and black men.

[@adamk.7177]

In other words: FIRE THE CANNON!

[@nobodyimportant7804]

" stripped of her law license, and disbarred" That is redundant

[@Uckertay]

"-or we'll never see another Presidential election in this country." Lol so dramatic.

[@rainzerdesu]

​@@Uckertaygood thing project 2025 tells us exactly that but sure let's keep pretending

[@bradleystreet5690]

This is painfully obvious that she has no business being a judge, and should face criminal charges for this derailment of justice.

[@donnaarnold3044]

Let's hope shall we ?? 😤🚩

[@h14hc124]

@@donnaarnold3044 Thoughts AND prayers !

[@dr.floridamanphd]

Jack Smith has all the evidence he needs to file a claim of judicial misconduct. He’s letting this drag out as much as possible so nobody can say he’s jumping the gun.

[@johngodley256]

Corruption under government and the justices has gone completely out of control. Normal citizens get jail for minor offences and even get shot by police,for just not immediately complying with their demands.

[@Crushnaut]

October surprise: Judge Cannon is indicted and the stolen documents case is expanded into a criminal conspiracy. Turns out one of Cannon's law clerks documented coordination between Cannon and Trump.

[@mileshill7196]

The real question is, when the dust settles, how do we prevent this from happening again? Judicial capture like this may very well undo our democracy, if we survive it we can’t let it happen again.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Only one way: Eternal Vigilance by the electorate.

[@StoryMing]

It WILL BE the question, if we can get there. We need to get through this, or by the time it’s over we may not have the opportunity for any fixes and corrections anymore.

[@kdog2646]

By outlawing political parties

[@rogerlamarche7690]

​@@kdog2646I'll second this.

[@gdragonlord749]

​@@kdog2646I think changing to ranked choice or approval voting will get more done

[@bm-br3go]

I am genuinely floored by this amount of open and blatant corruption.

[@tski3458]

totally...... stranger in a strange land. In 2018, I was talking to an older southern black woman who clearly lived during the oppression and open racism, but she surprised the shit out of me... She was a Drump supporter. I was floored.

[@lostbutfreesoul]

@@tski3458 I am mostly parroting Philosophy Tube here but I have to wonder: How much attention does this individual get during each period? This relates to a finding within the Suffragette movement, where many of their younger members turned towards Fascism later in life. One of the reasonings has to do with the attention society gives to them, personally, during each periods of time. When they where young and fought against an unjust cause, they got attention. As they got older, the battles where won, they no longer get the same attention. Some then changed politics to one that yells a lot....

[@donnaarnold3044]

Why would you be surprised it's Trump. 😤🔥

[@koenvandiepen7651]

The power of kings is absolute. And over time the USA president has gained the power of kings

[@brodriguez11000]

"A history of corruption in the united states". Harvard Law. We've had it worse.

[@earthknight60]

One of the utterly infuriating aspects of this is that it's playing out exactly as we all thought it would as soon as it came to light that Cannon had been assigned to oversee the case.

[@orclev]

I still don't understand how Cannon hasn't been disbarred yet. She's blatantly corrupt and pretty much every motion she has ever filed in this case should be all the evidence needed in that disbarment hearing.

[@Zzyzzyzzs]

There have been Trump-appointed judges who, when push came to shove, did the broadly right thing. Cannon is such a blatant toady you have to assume she's angling for Attorney-General or a SCOTUS seat if Trump gets back in.

[@boooster101]

Remember when congress insisted that it's not up to them to prosecute Trump but to leave it to the judicial branch? And once that started, his lawyers and even judges started arguing exactly the opposite? Basically a lot of brownnosers being too afraid that he or his cronies will get power again.

[@FirstLast-pt6vu]

cry me a river

[@alvnphmn]

So why are you ignoring the fact that the prosecutor admitted to mishandling the evidence and misrepresenting it to the court?

[@FireStormOOO_]

Anyone saying that buying a senator is the best investment you can make has clearly never bought a judge O.o

[@joeschmo3844]

The difference is that you can buy a Senator for less than $20k, judges are much pricier so a Senator might give a bigger Return on Investment.

[@mvam75]

She wasn’t bought, she was this inept/corrupt from the start.

[@JR-pr8jb]

I believe Cannon's name was put up for appointment by Sen. Rubio!

[@doloresreynolds8145]

Especially a federal judge.

[@jamesturner2126]

​@joeschmo3844 that was extremely depressing.

[@peterh5165]

Judge Cannon: a member of the conservative and libertarian Federalist Society since 2005. Nominated May 21, 2020, at age 39, for the United States district judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida. So a big thank you to Leonard Leo of the Federalist Society for all this. And special thanks to Mitch McConnell and company for nominating the youngest (and often least experienced) for federal positions because these appointments are life time positions, and by appointing the youngest, they will be there for decades (maybe even a half century). But hey, America is that "shining city on the hill" that other nations can only look up to in envy as Ronald Reagan used to go on and on about back in the 1980s.

[@xWood4000]

As a European I feel like having someone in the executive branch appoint people in the judicial one is dangerous anyway

[@Ivytheherbert]

As a non-US person, basically every time anyone suggests making things more like the US it is a huge red flag, and a dog-whistle for stripping away hard-won rights.

[@Melesniannon]

@@xWood4000 Euh, how do you think it works in European countries? Have you actually checked for the one you live in? It's fairly normal for a government to appoint judges. Who else do you think does this?

[@lazaruslazuli6130]

Thank Mitch for confirming her AFTER the 2020 election.

[@khersy]

The federalist society! Same ppl who help pack the courts! Looking like Harvey Weinstein more by the day Samuel Alito, chief Uncle Tom, justice Clarance Thomas I cry during my confirmation hearings bc my emotions trump your facts Brett kavanaugh aka what old conservatives thought it would be like if they ever elected a woman. replacement of one of the coolest originalist interpreters of our constitution (rip Scalia) Neil Gorsuch, and ms. never been a judge before being one of THE chief justices Amy Coney 2024 Barrett

[@christopherjustice6411]

Wow. This country’s legal system is a joke.

[@bigmike-]

It's *been* a joke.

[@osmosisjones4912]

Yeah if you don't win it's systemically corrupt

[@robertmcnearny9222]

@@bigmike- Agreed, it always has been a joke

[@MomirsLabTech]

Purposefully designed to protect those with money, and punish those without.

[@mapwheel00]

That moment when white America realizes what black America has known for centuries.

[@TheFrugalVideoGamer]

It is immensely gratifying to see so many legal professionals have such open *contempt* for such a contemptuous Judgeship.

[@utubepunk]

Terrific. And what tangible thing does that accomplish to resolve any of this & bring Trump to justice.

[@leviadragon99]

Cold comfort to those of us who care more about justice than posturing.

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

Speaking as a National Guard Journalist who went through training, highly specific training, involving weeks of classes... This angers me on levels that is difficult to describe.

[@kap4020]

National Guard Journalist? Is that like a PAO?

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

@@kap4020 Except without the officer part. I was a flunkie. I still needed to know the importance and the difference between Classified and Secret documents. If someone like *ME* had taken a box of that stuff home as a retirement gift? I would still be in Fort Leavenworth and rightly so. That's where I want Trump.

[@andrewdreasler428]

@@GoodAvatar-ut5pq As a US Army veteran, I say that Trump isn't worthy enough to scrub the Leavenworth floors with his toothbrush.

[@commentinglife6175]

So did you file for a clearance and sign all the paperwork to obtain access? Likely you did, right? You know who didn't? Donald Trump! Turns out, all those documents you signed actually SAID you would be arrested if you mishandled the documents! The President of the United States? Doesn't sign the same stuff! You know who might have though? Senator Joe Biden in his decades in Congress - meaning that the mishandled classified documents from his time as VP COULD be a crime! Amazing you lefties seem to ignore that simple fact!

[@whitegelfling]

Thats the problem, for the last 60 odd years we have treated it as if only life long carere polititans who have slowly worked there way up can make it to the presdent, and have failed to take into account that trechaniclay random no bodys could, and have not taken steps accrodnly, after all even Hillary and Biden have sidngificant isseus with handling documents and data, clearly we need to ask why there are so many issues and why with so many public servents to over look why the rules are cleary not followed.

[@RandomGameCritic]

I am so upset right now. Between Ken Paxton's securities fraud case, Trump's classified documents case, one SCOTUS judge openly accepting bribes and being married to a known insurrectionist, and another SCOTUS judge who is flying treasonous flags outside of his homes, I've lost all hope for this country.

[@Faint366]

I’m only surprised it took you this long honestly

[@commentinglife6175]

Turn off the liberal news, go outside, and get some fresh air! Or, do what environmentalists refuse to do and save the planet by refusing to expel CO2!

[@marygoround1292]

I feel you, my friend.

[@kdog2646]

With you on Paxton and somewhat on Thomas. The alito one is bull 💩

[@DebatingWombat]

@@kdog2646 In what way is the Alito one bull? There are well documented photos of it and it’s not like it’s out of character with his frankly batshit views, either.

[@jdotoz]

Hypothetically, at what point would it be appropriate to refer to a judge as an "unindicted co-conspirator?"

[@Steve-gc5nt]

Today.

[@Tomas_Pita]

Today is good. I've been saying this for months

[@tski3458]

I dont see why smith is waiting. ???

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

At the point that the case isn't overseen by that judge.

[@mcsmith732]

@@tski3458 The DOJ holds his leash.

[@Henoik]

And this is why you NEED to have an independent judicial branch where judges are never politically elected or appointed. In Norway, we just changed our constitution last week to guarantee a fully independent judicial branch. We've never had a practice of having politically appointed judges, it's always been an independent board, but now it's protected by our constitution - and the parliament cited the US and Eastern European issues when they made this change

[@cadejust6777]

As If Your System Wont Be Bee Corrupted.

[@Henoik]

@@cadejust6777 All systems are corruptable. Not designing a corrupt system from the get-go makes it less likely for a coup d'état to be supported by the judicial system

[@darthtrivius7488]

Interesting. How is the independent board formed and what safeguards are in place to keep it independent?

[@Cellidor]

@@cadejust6777 What's the point of this kind of comment? 'Anything can be corrupted, so why bother?'

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

​@@cadejust6777🐝

[@Illumas]

"If you took a bunch of national security documents from the white house..." I think if I did that there's not a lawyer in the world that would be able to help me.

[@ladeao1552]

To be fair, Trump's lawyers aren't doing much. It's his judges that are saving him.

[@johnallenbailey1103]

Unless they're now judges, apparently.

[@hus390]

@@ladeao1552 Rubbish and bias reporting. For you and Partisan democrats, you want the judge to operate under a political calendar, when she not just have no obligation to do so, but to ignore politics all together.

[@gund89123]

If you can appoint a judge & your case lands in that court you are lucky.

[@Krushak8888]

​@hus390 or she can rule in a timely fashion. Every lawyer has stated the way she has been working rather defense/prosecutor attorneys have said she is being unreasonable and never heard judges doing this

[@Mystik3eb]

It's not being screamed enough from the rooftops that this judge WAS APPOINTED BY THE DEFENDANT. This case NEVER should have ended up in front of her, never mind TWICE.

[@adamsmasher9769]

Why was cannon even allowed to oversee this case when she is so openly biased?

[@longhorsestudios]

Either one of the worst coincidences in American history or active corruption in the Southern District of Florida (which is quite likely given it is a hotbed of Trump appointees and sycophants).

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

She got increasingly brazen over time. By the time there was real grounds to get rid of her, it was kind of too late. The case should not have been brought in Florida knowing there was a chance she would have been the judge. It should have been brought in DC.

[@GenerallyTyler]

Because corruption is the rule of the land.

[@bigmike-]

@@GenerallyTyler Only because we let it be. Remember: All of this we surround ourselves with - our jobs, our government and it's legal system, our homes and the trappings within them, everything - are just made up. They're human constructs that we all participate in. These things are not intrinsic to the world itself - we made them; And we can just as easily break them, should we see it fit to do so. We are not the victims of circumstance if we all choose to do nothing to stop the things we seem to have problems with; if we *can* act and fail to, we are complicit in that same corruption ourselves because we are choosing to let it persist.

[@osmosisjones4912]

Says the lawyer who lied the documents being in his logage leaving the white house. Even though it turns out the DOJ sent him the documents themselves

[@klistada1]

Meanwhile there's probably some poor bastard currently being sentenced to 20 years for shoplifting. Must be good to be rich.

[@akhasshativeritsol1950]

Must be better to appoint your own trial judge 😂

[@samf.s.7731]

Terrible times we are living in. Terrible for this country, terrible for its people. Great for fascists

[@edbrowne2251]

@@akhasshativeritsol1950 I did that when I was a small child who had stuffed animals to judge my acts after the grown ups told me off. Just saying lil' Donnie supporters, just saying.

[@joshyoung1440]

​​@@edbrowne2251 there's... no indication whatsoever that person is a Donald Chump. Also your comment was rather hard to parse and I'm still not 100% sure I'm clear on what you're saying you did

[@GreenRevenant1515]

@@joshyoung1440 This is basically the American justice system after all. The more money you have the more “justice” you can buy. Trump said he could ‘shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters’ nowadays it looks like he wouldn't even face being arrested.

[@hughes3511]

Judge Cannon needs to be removed. Immediately. How does she not have a conflict of interest where she is ruling a case where they guy appointed her to her position? What a joke

[@Storm411z]

Sign the petition to have her removed!

[@andynystrom1519]

To be fair, most judges appointed by Trump have actually demonstrated the ability to rule fairly in cases involving him. Cannon seems to be an outlier where such judges are concerned. Notably two of the judges who dismissed her attempts to aid Trump in 2022 were also Trump appointees.

[@IlRyanWilsonlI]

Who needs a good lawyer when you have a bad judge in your pocket...

[@TomatoFettuccini]

Translation: a traitor helping another traitor avoid consequences for said treason. This is starting to look like a conspiracy.

[@antonkorte5060]

Read your own Constitution before throwing the word treason around.

[@EaglesQuestions]

​@@antonkorte5060 Done. Trump's a traitor.

[@redbasher636]

​@@antonkorte5060Very well then. A biased judge sat on her hands and delayed as long as she legally could to let a man who took top secret documents out of the White house, put them in a bathroom, then had his henchmen move them so he could take the documents he wanted out, and lie to the FBI about not having anymore, basically be given no issues between him and running for president. That better for you?

[@salomaogomes7311]

​@@antonkorte5060 we have. That's why we say it confidently.

[@cadebritt8001]

If the fascist republican party does not win in November, they know that they will have been neutered. And jail is awaiting.

[@MWSin1]

Jack Smith: Can you at least guess when the trial will happen? Eileen Cannon: Not for another six months. Jack Smith: The trial won't happen for another six months? Eileen Cannon: No, I mean I can't take a guess for another six months.

[@92jwiener]

Quoted from Airplane II: Boeing Boogaloo

[@MWSin1]

@@92jwiener It was in the original, though they might have reused the same joke in the sequel.

[@Pseudo-Fraxineus]

well, she only gets three guess a year, so she has to be choosy.

[@92jwiener]

@@MWSin1 a version like yours was used in the original. I was making a joke that a sequel (based on current events like Boeing being garbage now) would use your quote verbatim.

[@MWSin1]

@@92jwiener You know there was an Airplane sequel, right?

[@Thetasigmaalpha]

It’s almost like appointing judges by politicians on party lines leads to judges who are party first before the law.

[@namyun2743]

So, you're saying he's guilty if judged by dems, innocent if judged by reps? Can Trump even get a fair trial?

[@joelellks4063]

@@namyun2743 Hit the nail on the head. Bipartisan politics are flawed no matter what.

[@Ellie-rx3jt]

​@@namyun2743I think having him tried before a Bush era judge would have been a good shout, but not sure if any are still around.

[@Ohhelmno]

If you took classified documents from the White House not only are you going to want a good lawyer, you’re going to want to have appointed the judge overseeing the case.

[@commentinglife6175]

Yeah, if you signed a classified non-disclosure form that forbid you from mishandling documents. Of course, the President doesn't sign that (and more than likely the VP), which is why Trump didn't actually commit a crime. Then again, since Joe Biden probably DID sign that form to access classified info in his decades in Congress, the classified documents he illegally stored after leaving the VP job WOULD be illegal! If you think Trump broke the law, then by definition you KNOW Biden did. Charge him or stop the double-standard whining!

[@mikhaelis]

Every president in living memory has done this. Trump is the only one they tried to prosecute. Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama and even Biden have done the same thing.

[@marklewis7732]

If you have a system where court judges are appointed politically do not be surprised when they act politically.

[@j.goggels9115]

Absolutely. It blows my mind how the Americans attribute the check and balances system to Monstesquieu. Well, they have understood NOTHING about Montesquieu. Montesquieu was a judge in Bordeaux. All his life he fought for ONE thing. One thing. That the judiciary be completely separate from the Royal power.

[@teelo12000]

The alternatives are a thinker. In Australia, judges are appointed by the governor-general, and cannot be fired by Parliament, only by a misconduct panel of fellow judges. But, that governor-general is appointed by the prime minister. So they kind of are indirectly appointed politically even though the original intent was to keep them separate.

[@jaredragland4707]

Aye, there's the rub.

[@tiffanystrand4423]

But the whole point is… they shouldn’t be… they are supposed to follow THE LAW! Not help out with who appointed them… 😢😢😢

[@Tinil0]

The problem is what is the alternative? Every method of empowering judges is susceptible to corruption and other issues.

[@ziploc2000]

Pretending that Trump can "think" nuclear secrets and a birthday card to be equal in secure status is insane.

[@ross-carlson]

Thinking Trump can think at all is where people go wrong...

[@garagemuso72kd5]

@ross-carlson 🤣🤣🤣 that's gold!!!!

[@CliffPerkins-f6z]

The Emperor with no clothes even when caught in espionage still Carry's on the facade of absolutism of his self

[@janemiettinen5176]

At this point, his thinking seems to be “These might come handy later”, so.. This guy thinks, but only what will benefit him. Scammers be scamming.

[@thetalkingbear]

Jack's playing one last gambit. He's requesting a gag order and if she ignores it he can take that to the 11th circuit and try to remove her.

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

True but it still won't be able to wrap up pre election. The entire thing is so far behind thanks to Cannon that, even if the new judge just picks up from here, it will still be months before it could possibly get to trial.

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

Oh thank Gd. People are debating on the partisanship vs incompetence argument in the comments here, and I REALLY hope it’s at least in large part the latter, because if it’s not, she’ll probably do the smart thing and shut up.

[@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126]

It's not going to work.

[@moffjendob6796]

She'll need six months to deliberate on it or something.

[@Junebug89]

@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ ¿Por qué no los dos?

[@150booyadragon]

I don't understand how Cannon can be publicly and shamelessly botching her job to protect a litigant yet not only keep her job and stay out of prison, but also stay on the case

[@jloiben12]

It is always impressive how Donald is able to find such incompetent people and elevate them to positions of authority

[@bretcameron9116]

What's impressive is how broken all of our systems are and yet we're still somehow a country

[@blakekaveny]

The weird thing is before cannon got this case she wasn’t considered to incompetent. Shortly after she got assigned to this case several federal prosecutors from both parties said she was one of the smartest judges they’d ever gone before.

[@JohnDoe-jh5yr]

Kakistocracy

[@danielpalama3700]

He's not smart enough to play that level of legal gaming. That's why he has yes-men to do that sort of work for him. Trump's playing the same game a lot of old school NYC mob bosses did, just w/o being somewhat interesting like old school mob bosses in NYC.

[@imjustmeTBD]

This case isn't even about the PRA! It's about The Espionage Act, theft and a few other things. He says on TV what he wants Cannon to do, then she does it.

[@N4g4r1d3r]

America... Where justice dies in a public and spectacular manner.

[@thegreatstoneddragon9432]

With thunderous applause.

[@BaronSengir1008]

Idiocracy wasn't supposed to be a documentary!

[@yishnir]

Only if J B needs you to run...

[@topogigio7031]

Unalive Trump

[@BaronSengir1008]

@@topogigio7031 I hate to say it, but that might be the only way to get all of this stupidity to end... (Note: This is not a call for someone to go out and do that...)

[@Nickname-ef9tv]

Worst part is she is fairly young and virtually impossible to remove. She will be a stain to her profession and cause immeasurable damage for many decades to come.

[@mrn32ayw]

It don't matter. Once Trump is elected it's all over anyways. He's gonna pardon himself, the corrupt Supreme Court will allow it, and soon enough I'll crown himself president for life as the house and senate Republicans cheer it on. Coming January 20th, 2025 democracy in America is over. I don't understand how people don't comprehend this. Biden isn't going to win.

[@deathfire365]

IDK you but I'm craving some cake right about now. Anyone else craving some cake?

[@naverilllang]

I kind of expect she won't. Judges have a tendency to lose political bias and move towards the center as they stay in their office. This is a special case because she's presiding over the guy that put her in office. That being said, this will be a mark on her record, and the thing everyone remembers her for. If she wanted her own footnote in history, she got it. But future generations will not be singing her praises

[@patrickgriffiths889]

Congress can remove her.

[@jaalsburg]

This had been a long plan, I think Rumsfeld, Chaney, or one of the other GOP swamp monsters from our past.

[@0mn1P4wn4g3]

I don't really understand how Cannon hasn't been disbarred and prosecuted for all of this. And the government is just gonna say "well it's OK who cares about classification lol"? What are we even doing in this country?

[@evannibbe9375]

You need 1/2 of the House and 2/3rds of the Senate to remove a judge (via impeachment and conviction).

[@kdog2646]

Because there is severe bias in the ones presenting you the information.

[@scpatl4now]

This becomes more infuriating the more I hear about it. After the way she was smacked down the first time with this case by the 11th circuit (hardly a liberal circuit), she should have been barred from the trial aspect. It's hard to believe a judge can do this without any consequences

[@platinummyrr]

the fact it landed in front of her again is absolutely ridiculous and she should have been recused from this case.

[@deborahpitcher7723]

Well, I don’t think Cannon’s future is in the judicial system. She’s proven that she can’t even hold a trial. She can’t even start a trial.

[@AlexBrantZawadzki]

No but her future in conservative politics looks as bright as her smile.

[@lorewarden1231]

What are you talking about? She's got the strongest resume for Thomas's seat that I know of should Trump win.

[@MaiarOlorin45]

No man, this is her audition for the Supreme Court.

[@AlexBrantZawadzki]

@@MaiarOlorin45 I agree it's her audition. But anyone who's spent any time in law school knows she's failing that audition quite badly.

[@Wertsir]

@@AlexBrantZawadzkiThere’s only one talent scout that matters, and she’s pimping out our entire justice system for them.

[@ConnorTheUndying]

If this isn't an open and shut case of corruption, I don't know what is.

[@Blackdragon271]

They will get on it swiftly i am certain

[@lVideoWatcherl]

@@AmericanHope1776 If they were to unreasonably and with clear bias push back ruling on specific cases, then no. It would _not_ be. Can people like you ever acknowledge that what is happening here, and that this same kind of corruption of the US Republicans, just _is not present_ on the other side of the political divide? _There is no equivalence to this case or the absurd corruption of Trump._

[@penofficial_]

@@AmericanHope1776 no one was talking about them buddy. Is this not corruption? It is corruption? Stfu.

[@willow_und_hans]

@@Blackdragon271 will they though? will they really?

[@TxChristopher]

You don't know what is.

[@meganmuse8746]

Liz, love your Nixon 😂 I’ve been following you since the first time I heard you on OA and have relied on this channel for legal breakdowns for quite some time. You’re all doing great work!

[@LearningFast]

NEVER forget this. Hold her accountable however long that takes.

[@donnaarnold3044]

So True. 😤

[@pedrorodrigueziii4859]

I don't even know what she hopes to gain from such blatant pandering.

[@filonin2]

@@pedrorodrigueziii4859 She has nothing to lose. He gave her her lifetime appointment and she is paying him back now.

[@AegixDrakan]

@@pedrorodrigueziii4859 Probably just further protection if he wins in november, followed by permanent protection if the cheeto brings down what's left of US democracy while he's in there. :s

[@meeapeea]

Plain money. And if you follow the money, I bet it leads to Kremlin. Just like trump.

[@trajan74]

You will NEVER convince me she was randomly appointed to the most open and shut case against Agent Orange.

[@tski3458]

me also. You nailed it. Fixed on day one.

[@fransoualee6529]

She wasn't randomly appointed. Republicans "judge shop" all the time. You'll notice one or two Texas federal judges always pushing Republican agendas or halting nationally accepted norms.

[@matthiasjoseph4863]

What ? I can not convince you ? But she was just appointed twice in a row! After having been removed the first time for unprofessional conduct!

[@uzlonewolf]

You're right, it wasn't random. It was because she was the only judge for that area who was available to take cases.

[@redbasher636]

It was random... But fate sadly has a diabolical cruel sense of humor. Other judges were full on cases or weren't able to take anymore for the year due to senior status, so her chances went from slim to almost guaranteed... Now am I saying they didn't make is so she had a better chance to be picked? No. I'm saying they let it be random but made sure she had the best possible chance.

[@Ilamarea]

It is actually batshit insane that a judge APPOINTED BY THE DEFENDANT can oversee the case... It is absolutely ludicrous.

[@birdbrainZ]

Shoplifters be = Its in my bag, therefore its my personal property. DO NOT CHALLENGE ME! 🤨

[@birdbrainZ]

A limited term public servant elected into office, decides to take home highly sensitive documents. In any other job, it would be a crime if they decide to claim it as "theirs".

[@jbthomas01]

It's so depressing how many powerful people have undying loyalty to that lying bridge troll

[@evanjacob8463]

Because they think, they'll be rewarded by Trump.

[@Crystan]

@@evanjacob8463 Which is ironic considering he's basically disowned everyone he's ever worked with and throws them under the bus the first chance he gets.

[@evanjacob8463]

@@Crystan They think that they'll be different.

[@asillynertasillynert2204]

@@Crystan Exactly you look at any other billionaire. They ALWAYS bring a few up with them bezos parents who did six figure as well as the investors that they connected him too all became absurdly rich together. The other people at tesla made billions and these are two examples and they are pricks. Which says alot for trump long career and thousands of people bankrupted along the way no one was better off knowing the guy. Even places like children's charity's that he associated with got robbed by him. Wheres his vice president now.... Vice presidents usually stepping stone to presidential nomination. He tried to run in general and Trump had turned so many of his connections against him campaign was dead. Careers over and he gets the fun of trumper death threats and other things. Like how many running mates can say they get more death threats from their running mates supporters than from opposition.

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

Leopards Eating People Face or something idk. Or they're that dumb.

[@dirkmanderin]

So, Mr. LegalEagle, who has the authority to take this case away from Cannon, and preferably also throw her off the bench? At best, she’s extremely incompetent. At worst she’s downright corrupt.

[@markg.7865]

She's both, but she knows what she is doing in helping delay the case til never....so she's more corrupt.

[@sjs9698]

@@benjiro8793 possibly 'censure'?

[@vikkimcdonough6153]

Well, if she just so happened to have an "unfortunate" "accident" sometime in the near future... 😉

[@umjackd]

Considering the conservative majority in the Supreme Court, I find this unfortunately unlikely.

[@randycampbell6307]

@Vesta_the_Lesser it doesn't count because it has to be proven, not implied and that's about all there is here. There's a case to be made that could question her compantenchy or her lack of progress being out of line but in the end a higher court has to slap her down and possibly give the case to another judge but that means even more delay as that judge has to be spun up to speed and get the trial arranged. Either way it's likely to late to happen before November. I'd be worried that if Trump loses she'll declare the trial on hold for "legitimate election concerns" and continue to delay the trial at all.

[@perciusmandate]

How can the average citizen continue to have any faith in the US justice system? There are two legal systems: The one that protects the uber-rich from consequence, and the one for everyone else.

[@VinceOfAllTrades]

There's actually 3. The one that actively punishes the poor/POC just for existing.

[@bringoutthegimp636]

The answer is it doesn’t matter if you have faith they’ll use force

[@TheCriticalArchitect]

They found Biden took records too. Nobody wants to talk about that

[@khersy]

I hate that you wrote that down, but I can’t disprove it

[@justforplaylists]

I think the justice system would eventually work if Trump doesn't get re-elected. Cannon can't just throw the case out or she would have already. If Trump does get re-elected, that's kind of the fault of the American public.

[@johnobrien6415]

Love the segues into the commercials. "If that makes you want to run and hide, then you need Incogni".

[@apw9929]

This is so corrupt and ridiculous. Federal trial judges usually rule on motions like this quickly and all at once

[@erikkennedy8725]

This is seriously frustrating, because it's such a serious crime, and such an open and shut case.

[@nefylia4037]

I dont understand how a judge appinted by a president overseeing his trial isn't a conflict of interest

[@Herman47]

Neither do I

[@redbasher636]

Issue is this has never happened before so it isn't a "rule of law" it's common sense law but... sadly that doesn't work here.

[@RagnellAvalon]

There's no oversight or really any rules about what Supreme Court justices do and can do, as there was a naive assumption that anyone appointed to the role would be a man of integrity and virtue.

[@mnomadvfx]

Because the so called checks and balances of the system are basically a glorified honor system that utterly falls apart the moment someone actually fails to be honorable. The founding fathers were hopelessly optimistic.

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

A judge is supposed to recuse themselves in they have a conflict of interest.

[@StoopKid0896]

I’m literally in love with Liz Dye. Her voice, beauty, and amazing impressions that crack me up are just perfect

[@alterworlds1629]

Selling copies of all those documents, and in some cases, the original copies, as some are missing, is exactly what he did.

[@tski3458]

yes sir. Someone has copies. No doubt.

[@lostbutfreesoul]

Is there not an Australian Billionaire very knowledgeable on US subs right now?

[@dinahnicest6525]

One of those famous pictures even shows a copy machine in the room with the boxes of documents.

[@o.c.kiddkidd5163]

How we know that we're inside the Twilight Zone: A Traitor who stole , hid, and shared America's top secrets is running to return to the office that will allow him to make the case go away and do it all over again...and may win.

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

And our only hope is an octogenarian that no one likes winning re-election

[@JeysieC]

@@TheModdedwarfare3 An octogenarian nobody likes for what are almost always factually incorrect reasons that don't reflect the actual reality of his policies and the end results, to make this even more insane.

[@AegixDrakan]

We are in the timeline that all the other timelines look at and go "really guys? I mean, really??"

[@JeysieC]

@@AegixDrakan The historians in a couple generations are going to look back on us and conclude we're all insane idiots who were wrong on so many things for no good reason and wonder what was wrong with us.

[@adarkerstormishere]

"Sorry your honor, but we haven't had time to work on our case because our client is also currently being prosecuted in another jurisdiction..." Imagine having to say that to a judge... jeez...

[@cmdraftbrn]

depending on the judge you might get cited the, toughski v. chitski case

[@l0rf]

Imagine having to say that about a client who might be elected president. I'm so upset by this.

[@l0rf]

This is insane. He endangered the safety of NATO for the sake of his own ego. He's a living, breathing, orange supervillain from a Bond movie. No, he's a villain from an episode of Archer. If I did a fraction of what he did, they'd reopen Guantanamo Bay for me.

[@thatjillgirl]

Guantanamo never closed. It is very much still open. It was the subject of the most recent season of Serial.

[@DebatingWombat]

@@thatjillgirl Which is why I whimsically suggested that Biden avail himself of the GOP SCOTUS’s recent absurd decision on presidential immunity and powers and declare Trump a threat to national security and have him shipped off to Gitmo. And if the GOP SCOTUS tries to intervene, they can get a cell each too, in line with their stated opinions on the imperial presidency. Might make them rethink whether those opinions are valid (in both the legal, ethical and political senses of the word).

[@scytaleghola5969]

The problem with any claims that Trump declassified documents or declared them personal records is that the law (EO 13526) is very clear that to declassify a document, it must be re-classified and it retains it's original classification until it is marked with the new classification. So if the documents are (still) marked classified, they are (still) classified. EO 13526 explicitly discusses the authority of the President (and Vice President) and makes it clear that the law does apply to them.

[@scytaleghola5969]

I should have added... EO 13526 does not apply to nuclear secrets because Congress created a special law for them : The Atomic Energy Act. The President and Vice President do not have the authority to declassify nuclear secrets. This takes review and approval from the Department of Energy. Note: Some of Trump's documents were RD/FRD nuclear secrets. He did not declassify any documents, but he especially didn't declassify those.

[@agafaba]

*the law used to apply to them When trump likely wins his reelection we can all agree that something will be done that will effectively bypass the law.

[@lostbutfreesoul]

Imagine if what Trump wanted was true! A foreign agent could take out anything, and simply claim the president told them....

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

This is the bit that was truly boggling my mind.... Under most robust public records acts, politicians absolutely can NOT simply decide what is personal & what is political (which would be a recipe for total corruption) and basically anything that goes through government data systems can be a public record? (Which often trips up public servants with poor data-handling boundaries!) I was sure that the US must have SOME legislation that made the defense's weird arguments moot, so your comment brings some relief! I assume there are also checks & balances whereby such unilateral doc reclassification by key officials (inc. POTUS) has to be notified to the agency involved, or to a government archive ombudsperson, and an appeal can be lodged if they perceive a risk...? The fact the judge in charge has been issuing pre-emptive instructions that ignore or over-ride the existing law is truly, genuinely horrifying. As a former records manager and archivist, this case hurts my professional soul!! 😭 Can only hope that it leads eventually to tightening of existing rules to prevent recurrence?

[@scytaleghola5969]

@@agafaba A President can overturn an EO, but not a Congressional act. I would not get my hopes up that Trump will "likely" win. He lost last time because a lot of Americans voted against him. It seems like a lot more are voting against him this time. Nikki Haley is still getting nearly 20% of the vote from the Republican party and she's been out of the race for a while. Most *REAL* independents will not be voting for the guy who was voted worst President in US history. Also, worst case scenario, Trump gets enough votes and then the VP refuses to count the votes for the insurrectionist... basically the same thing Trump has not gotten in trouble for when he tried it... why wouldn't the Biden administration do the same? There doesn't seem to be a downside.

[@Tinyvalkyrie410]

No one does sarcasm like Chaos Lawyer Liz Dye. She’s a great addition to this channel

[@brodriguez11000]

The material she has to work with makes it easy.

[@Easy8_]

Corruption on public display in full view of everyone. Amazing.

[@Cory-pw6iw]

The worst part about it, is all the people who claim there are massive amounts of "hidden" corruption they "can clearly see", but will deny Trump of any wrongdoing.

[@sunnydaze905]

And half the people are clapping

[@RayBetterThanEvilCanival]

And the worst part about it all is that she’s going to get away with it. Such a disgrace to the law profession.

[@yishnir]

And literally not a word from the supposed 'leader' of the country... and no action whatsoever... other than delaying the investigation for over a year in the first place.

[@steampunkwhale2280]

@@yishnir as soon as Biden says anything it’ll get flagged as interfering/intimidating. It’s good (and frustrating) that he doesn’t say anything.

[@fantasticalfascination]

All of this makes me wonder if a judge can be charged with obstruction of justice (or something similar?) for delaying a trial like this.

[@Liesmith424]

The lesson to the peasants is clear: you have no *legal* recourse against the ruling class.

[@Dreigonix]

WE HAVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT FOR A REASON

[@MrARock001]

The laws written by the bourgeoisie do not exist to hold themselves accountable, but to keep the rest of us in line. If the bourgeois ever get caught up in the legal system, it's by accident or because of political in-fighting. When the legal system is functioning as intended, it only ever targets poor people.

[@Shichard2006]

BS we have recourse. We vote Democrat. We continue to vote Democrat. We ratchet the Democrats to the left, raising the progressives to higher positions and phasing out the neoliberal old guard. We have recourse, but it isn't instant, and it will take a steadfast and focused Democratic voting base. Naysayers can nay, but there's two entrenched political parties in the US and one is coming hard for the country's foundations, whereas the other is simply infected with classic neoliberal thought and can be positively affected by those who care.

[@shalidor8102]

​@Dreigonix what is an AR-15 to an M1A2B?

[@Dreigonix]

@@shalidor8102 It only takes one bullet, my dude.

[@wicken8895]

OMG, Liz Dye, That was one of THE best summations / descriptions of that whole documents case that I have heard in a VERY long time. So, THANK YOU.

[@SergeantMcClain]

I misplaced an investigation during a move from one base to another while in Iraq none of it was classified and the only reason anyone knew was because as soon as I knew I couldn’t find them I told my leadership and I was demoted. But this will go unpunished 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@aceshighdueceslow]

clearly you weren't buddy buddy with the officers, then you would've been fine

[@Vulcanerd]

Incompetence, gross corruption, malfeasance, take any and all of your picks.

[@joshkorte9020]

Good to know that if you're friends with a judge, you can just commit crimes with no repercussions!

[@giovannisoave9634]

How can democracy be so powerless against a corrupt judge? Something has to change.

[@bo5935]

Cause, in this country, democracy only applies to some things. It's not a 'true' democracy. Otherwise, the popular vote would actually matter for presidential elections, among other things

[@Khronogi]

It's shit like this that makes me want to just ignore the law. If the consequences don't apply to everyone, why should they apply to me?

[@filonin2]

@@Khronogi Because men with guns WILL come for you, poor. They apply to you because you cannot afford to pay off the men with guns. Simple.

[@filonin2]

@@bo5935 Ironically the reason judges are appointed for life is so that a single party cannot replace ALL of the judges in a single election cycle and take total control, like Trump would if he could. Make judges-ships not life appointments and you ONLY speed the downfall.

[@RJGrady]

Democracy isn't powerless against a corrupt judge. The problem is that the political will against her does not exist. A third of the country thinks everything she is doing is not only fine, but great. The democratic process cannot fix the problem in people's souls.

[@omegavulture8379]

I know that folks in America have private doctors, trainers etc. but private judges? That’s a new one.

[@LegoAssassin098]

​@@AmericanHope1776Learn to write.

[@commentinglife6175]

@@LegoAssassin098 Learn to read. It was a perfectly understandable comment using the accepted nomenclature of the internet to communicate.

[@bitndragon]

This definitely shows how useless our legal system is against anyone with money

[@MikkellTheImmortal]

This is what makes good people bad. It was things like this that lead to every revolution in the last 300 years where you see people who would never act upon the their angry thoughts acting. And with the recent discovery of more classified boxes, I have a feeling that this could be a major point of contention if people start popping off

[@kingofhearts3185]

Something about a tree and blood right?

[@LeafBoye]

​@@kingofhearts3185time to start pruning the dead branches of the tree for the health of the tree

[@HotDossy]

On both sides

[@averyeich9726]

@@kingofhearts3185blood of tyrants and patriots. Liberty.

[@MikkellTheImmortal]

@@HotDossy yup. Think of the French revolution. The general public was sick and tired of the elites getting away with everything and seeing no punishment of any kind for their blatant disregard for the law. The American revolution saw so many otherwise law abiding citizens turn to move violence when they reached the breaking point. We would like to think of ourselves as above that, but you can't change everything that makes a human a human in 30 years (I say 30 because the largest changes in our civilization have happened in the last 30ish years that I can remember.)

[@Kataquan]

How was her appointment by the defendant not a conflict of interest?

[@thomasbecker9676]

Many courts in the US are corrupt.

[@sharper68]

There is no mechanism to protect us against conflict of interest in our broken system. A quick look at our supreme court validates this observation.

[@StarkRG]

Ethics aren't a thing for judges I guess.

[@bjarkiengelsson]

​@@sharper68I'd argue a show of force by We the People would end this stunt. 'Remove' Cannon and watch this case steam ahead as fast as possible. Fry trumps team. Deny them their corrupt trial.

[@sharper68]

@@bjarkiengelsson Not sure that is the case, the state will back her up and there is no actual mechanism to appeal to except her own choice to bend. I wish this was not true but it highlights a failure and a corruption that has long plagued us but is brought clearly to light here. I would like to see this change, not expecting it to any time soon.

[@cesiba1]

The judges in this circuit need to do something about canon or else that whole district and their judges are complicit.

[@neuvocastezero1838]

Have you seen the list of judges in this circuit, and who appointed them?

[@Toonrick12]

​@@neuvocastezero1838In other words, foxes ruling that the fox didn't nothing wrong in the henhouse.

[@William.Driscoll]

​@@neuvocastezero1838 "Do the work anyway."

[@cadejust6777]

​@StankFernatra Only Congress Has The Power 🔋 To Remove Judges.

[@Harlem55]

Would you rather put Jack Smith in front of Judy Sheindlin? Lets see what happens to Fox and CNN accusing her of Bias and Incompetency? Better yet, see how long Jack Smith stays out of Jail in front of someone like that. Cannon was actually the statistically least biased judge in the district, because most of them sit to the Right of Roberts in terms of conservatisim. The Middle and Southern Districts of Florida are Scalia territory.

[@ccavanagh8429]

It is unbelievable that a judge can pevert the course of justice like this and go unsactioned. The key to all this is the reviction of the presidential right to pardon. It is the power of a king or dictator.

[@evannibbe9375]

You need 1/2 of the House and 2/3rds of the Senate to remove bad judges. Yes, there is a judicial commission of other judges, but the constitutional method is impeachment and conviction.

[@None-Trick_Pony]

Can the prosecution not ask for a change of venue? This is very clearly an abuse of power from Cannon.

[@xdashlydia]

Asking for a change of venue seems like the best solution; what does our favourite Legal Eagle think of it?

[@averyeich9726]

One appeal and cannon loaded things so a failed appeal ends and will prevent a trial. Because double jeopardy and trumps gang are crooks

[@AlexBrantZawadzki]

He could have but he is reserving his right to file charges in a different venue (like New Jersey b/c Bedminster documents) in case things go wrong in this trial. Smith has tried cases at the Hague. He knows exactly what he's doing and he has more open-and-shut cases than Zero-Halliburton.

[@michaeljohnangel6359]

@@AlexBrantZawadzki Ah yes, he's tried cases in The Hague. That must be why a callow judge like Cannon can run rings around him.

[@bosoerjadi2838]

​@@michaeljohnangel6359You can't blame a derailed trial on the prosecutor for not being able to use the system to thwart an unfair judge. It's like blaming the school traffic warden for local DUI incidents involving children as casualties.

[@konradheumann8342]

I can't think of another person in the country who would have gotten away with this theft. I'm just . . . speechless. If anyone of us had done it, we'd be rotting in prison for the rest of our lives. Just disgusting.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

It's cute that you think they'd let you go to prison. You'd be in a much worse place.

[@dannywatson4253]

It's almost like allowing politicians to promote judges is a terrible idea. If the justice system is meant to be separate from the government, make it actually separate.

[@Boyzby]

@JasonCline-ve8tu Lack of ideal solutions doesn't mean there aren't better options. Why is it better for a corrupt politician to pick someone and not peers? You didn't explain why that isn't okay.

[@Mutex50]

After last nights debate, I'm 95% confident that this judge will be the next supreme court justice to replace Justice Thomas.

[@crevival1215]

Sign the petition to have her removed from the trial, almost 140k signatures so far.

[@q-tuber7034]

Easy to find with google. Signed, thx

[@hanging4176]

Signed.

[@mammamiia08]

I'm not an american but I really wish I could help you guys with this, this effects more than just one country in the world!

[@chefcc90]

You think anyone cares about a petition? Jack Smith needs to file a motion for recusal and then go to the 11th circuit.

[@sLmp.]

​@@chefcc90 petition the government for a redress of grievances. no harm in it.

[@kieranelliott5607]

The simplest of all the cases. This might be too depressing to watch.

[@kevinschultz6091]

It's about delaying the trial until after the election.

[@kieranelliott5607]

@@kevinschultz6091 Well yes, that was her plan from the beginning, it's just depressing how well it has worked and what more she could yet do.

[@joeschmo3844]

Especially given that this means trump will _continue_ to be briefed on classified information which he can then share with his friends just like the state secrets he has already demonstrably leaked. At least until the election is over. It’s truly tragic to see the extent to which national security *must* be compromised to avoid inconveniencing the rich.

[@jawstrock2215]

If Trump loses the election, and this case suddenly because real speedy....

[@dabullzfan25]

Ain't gonna be depressing to watch cause it ain't gonna happen. He'll make it back in the White House, be found unfit for trial for health reasons or will be dead.

[@extantsanity]

We all knew this was going to happen on Day 1. WTF was Jack Smith doing NOT TRYING TO GET HER OFF THE CASE THE WHOLE DAMN TIME?? We knew who she was. We knew what she was going to do. WHY WHY WHY do we keep playing with kid gloves, hoping against ALL EVIDENCE that these people are going to do the right thing and support the rule of law? THEY DON'T CARE. JFC I hate this place.

[@norezenable]

Should have filed the case in DC too since that is where the theft took place. Edit: I mean, if your car is stolen in NY but recovered in CA, the crime took place in NY. That is where charges would be filed. I am sure a lawyer would know this, so it makes the decision to file charges in FL even more perplexing.

[@JohnSmith-qy1wm]

Unfortunately he was still president he moved the documents.

[@tracyblanchard7663]

​@@norezenable Unfortunately, in this case, the car was rightfully borrowed and brought to FL before the thief failed to return it. That's the crux of the issue on location. He was allowed to have them, but not to keep them as long as he did and in the manner that he did.

[@Alverant]

People who work within the law are at a disadvantage when dealing with those who do not.

[@michaeljohnangel6359]

"When they go low, we go high." What absolute rubbish!!!

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

1:31 No matter what outlet talks about Judge Cannon, news, legal or otherwise, they always only have the same photo of her. It is burned into my brain. It is unsettling the way she stares into your soul with that fake smile and dead eyes.

[@watvannou]

HOW the ACTUAL FK is any of this allowed and tolerated?! This is ridiculous and makes me worried for the future of USA.

[@utubepunk]

The ship is sinking. Between this & corrupt SCOTUS judges sympathetic to the J6 insurrection, we're cooked.

[@bo5935]

Because true consistent justice is a pipe dream and most people have been, historically, too stupid to avoid this country from turning out this way

[@Valsorayu]

Makes you worried? You weren't worried for the past 10 years... god I wish I had your optimism, genuinely.

[@romdotdog]

​@@Valsorayu Try since Reagan.

[@thormunable]

system is working as intended

[@trappedinamerica7740]

“And that’s how liberty dies, off screen at the hands of corrupt judges”

[@crispycookie9739]

In this case, the judge's call for amicus briefs feels like trying to get someone else to do your homework

[@mackysplace]

Having politically appointed judges is a fundamental flaw in the US democratic process. US loves to claim separation of the three branches of Government; the Executive, Legislature, and Judiciary. Checks and Balances prevent any one arm having supremacy over any other. But it doesn't actually work as intended. The Supreme Court is beyond powerful because they don't have term limits or age requirements, Congress is also hamstrung by age and term limits. Having people die in their 80s while sitting members of Congress is a very very bad thing.

[@ezgarrth4555]

It is astounding the damage one corrupt judge can do

[@katiewon]

This is a clear case of judicial misconduct. She should be sanctioned, including removal from this case and possibly from the bench after a complete investigation by the JQC in Florida. This case may not be tried before the November 2024 election, but it will be held.

[@AFMountaineer2000]

Can Jack Smith NOW get her removed!?

[@Bevity]

I think they are secretly all in on it. Trump seems to be everybody's closet darling.

[@harryspeakup8452]

No. Otherwise he would have done

[@jonathanross149]

He could, but I don't think he will.

[@imjustmeTBD]

He filed documents last week .

[@adamk.7177]

FIRE THE CANNON!

[@synthetic240]

If this actually ends in a conviction of Trump, and it seems like a big IF, Trump might actually have made the law far tougher for the next a-hole to circumvent.

[@SavageJunky]

Just for your personnal knowledge: Presidential Records act (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) § 2202: The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter." - This means that ALL Presidential Records are LEGALLY the possession of the national archive

[@Tyrentenir]

Sounds complicated. I'm gonna have to invite amicus briefs from Fox and Friends while I postpone the case a fifteenth time.

[@SavageJunky]

@@Tyrentenir The court agree and will set the earing for june 15th... 2039

[@raztastic]

Put the case in front of those of us who have held security clearances, if she's so worried about the 'complexity' of the case. It's not complex to us. We'd get 10 years easy.

[@Elanthiel]

In the Dutch legal system there is a process called "Wraking" (literally translated as "taking revenge") of the judge, which is an appeal to a three-judge panel specifically to decide if the case judge is partial or not. Any party in the trial can start that process at any point when there are indications of partiality. Is that not a thing in the US? Like .. for real?!?!

[@neilbiggs1353]

I'm guessing the Dutch system doesn't have the parties directly appointing judges either! The more you look at the US legal system, the more bizarre it seems that no-one had the foresight about the obvious flaws...

[@themanofquagga]

@@neilbiggs1353 that's because it isn't a justice system, it doesn't exist to serve justice, it's a legal system, it exists to uphold the law, which exists not to serve justice, but to protect the powerful

[@specialnewb9821]

So. With this and various SCOTUS rulings, do you think we still have effective rule of law in this country? A lot of lawyers seems to avoid that topic.

[@holydezmondgamez1728]

"The US justice system is a perfectly balanced system with no exploits"

[@MarcusTrinnias]

SpiffCo, is that you???

[@ellotheregovna401]

the spiffing brit!

[@holydezmondgamez1728]

Glad that people got the reference but it really fits here

[@Briaaanz]

Who knew, "drain the swamp" meant the entire legal system being flushed down the toilet

[@mahalokoka]

This has to be the most eloquent and concise recap of a headache of a case. Clearly showing how judge Cannon has bombed at this case.