How Labour Will Choose Their New Leader - TLDR Explains

[@merrilyputrid5277]

The last time I was this early Theresa May was still Conservative leader.

[@edc22x]

When she was leader I couldn't imagine that I wish she was still in

[@spoopytime9928]

9:10 Isn't this the first time Jack used an uncensored curseword on the video? Ah yes, another milestone.

[@ChrisSham]

Progress, good.

[@buskergirl]

He just quoted the title of the book 🙄 Though he could have just said "BS".

[@alexpotts6520]

There was, however, a brilliant piece of false censorship on a previous video, where they described Jacob Rees-Mogg as having a "personality cult", and as the phrase flashed up on screen they showed Rees-Mogg standing strategically over the "L". Leaving viewers to fill in the missing letter for themselves...

[@sambland3903]

A healthy outlet for the post election depression.

[@jwil4286]

Would like this comment, but it has 69 likes

[@lewiscpowell]

Did I hear a Clive Willis? Did he just announce his candidacy this morning ? I can't believe he said Clive Willis loooool

[@lewiscpowell]

Clive Lewis, who is who I'm voting for, can't even get his name said right lol. Love TLDR though

[@martinfawkes595]

Out of the ones I’ve looked into so far, I think Jess Phillips would be the best choice. A non-Blairite centrist who was also critical of party under Corbyn and a supporter of a second referendum? She’d have my vote if I was a Labour Party member, though I am concerned about her inexperience.

[@adamb4667]

@@martinfawkes595 Yes because a supporter of the second referendum is sure to soak up all those leave voters...🤦‍♂️ I'm no Corbyn/Long Bailey supporter but Jess Phillips is a nasty person.

[@martinfawkes595]

Beh Liht and it’s that far left agenda that was partially responsible for labour’s embarrassment in the last election. They need to move away from it ASAP and go back to a more centrist direction that the press couldn’t slander and deliberately mislabel so easily, otherwise it will be some time before they get back in.

[@adamb4667]

@Beh Liht That's bs. Corbyn didn't resign immediately because that's a really dumb thing to do. Who resigns immediately and leaves the opposition with no leader at this crucial time. Theresa May didn't just quit, she stayed on until the next leader is chosen.

[@jwil4286]

As an American, I find it cool how you guys name your constituencies. Here, we don’t do that for House districts (closest thing to constituencies for us), just using the state name and the number of the district

[@OutOfNamesToChoose]

Phillips is the polar opposite of a candidate I'd vote for. Too Guardian-ey.

[@MelbourneMeMe]

Pretty sure tldr will be backing Jess... If anything, she's probably too conservative for them

[@ott1186]

@@MelbourneMeMe That's how you know TLDR are balanced. lol

[@Jeremyparker]

@@MelbourneMeMe TLDR don't back anyone for anything do they? Aren't they supposed to be objective?

[@jakerowsell8752]

I thought Guardian was middle class, out of touch lefty? Jess Phillips seems pretty working class and in touch to me

[@ott1186]

@@jakerowsell8752 then you are a gullible moron.

[@estabansidhe]

Haven't watched the video yet, is anyone else hoping its 10 seconds long and he just says 'Thunder Dome'.

[@Languslangus]

Oh so they use preferential inside the party, but god forbit the UK gets rid of 1st past the post...

[@Cunnysmythe]

We did have a referendum Shit campaign and almost no one I spoke to understood what AV really was but we did have one

[@moosesandmeese969]

Conservatives know they will lose for the next 50 years if they get rid of FPTP

[@ott1186]

@@moosesandmeese969 Who had the highest vote share in the PR counting? Was it not conservatives? Seriously you people never learn. Referendum + MEP (PR) elections + now the general election. Mate, changing the voting method isn't going to help you one bit.

[@halismeful]

@@ott1186 Tories had 40%, Labour 30%. It would come down to who the Lib Dems and SNP sided with in that scenario.

[@tenaciousdean6179]

@@ott1186 So let's change it anyway? If you're so certain the Tories would still win, what would be the problem with having a more representative system? UKIP got 15% of the votes in the 2015 election but only managed to get 1 seat in Parliament, which is less than 0.5% of seats. They would have had over 50 in a representative system. That's 15% of voting Brits almost entirely unrepresented in parliament.

[@bonnie115]

You used the title “sir” with Keir Starmer’s surname i.e. Sir Starmer. This is incorrect. The prefix is used with the holder's given name or full name, but never with the surname alone. So you should have said Sir Keir or Sir Keir Starmer

[@zedrake]

bonnie115 interesting little fact, I didn’t know that

[@omrouk]

I was just planning to type this same very comment.

[@bishop1412]

I wonder how many times people will have to vote against socialism before Labour tries to implement it anyways

[@irreview]

Yes and promising to build 40 new government hospitals and high speed railways all over the country at government expense is the legacy of Ayn Rand, Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. The right went to the liberal playbook on economics this election. That's why Boris admitted these are borrowed votes from coal miners in Labour heartlands. Stop lying to yourself that Conservatives represent capitalism because that lost on the ballot too. Cameron's austerity was nowhere in sight.

[@brucemcfarling7810]

I like how around 8:00 you tackled the thorny question of whether to spell it compromise or comprimose by resorting to a comprimise.

[@Barnet310]

The election was in December not January

[@ChillyMan5]

Yes, the general election. Jeremy Corbyn announced he is stepping down as Labour leader after that, so now Labour is electing its new leader.

[@ethan4896]

There’s a comma after January in the script. Jeremy’s announcement is in January

[@andrewwong8888]

Noooo! Why is it Discord light theme xD Join the dark side!

[@CatholicWeeb]

*_OH NO_*

[@sitrilko]

Join the Dark Side! We have cookies.

[@Ziolek.2000]

Irrelevant there will never be a UK Labour PM again because the UK will be broken up before the next chance.

[@Dark_Luminary]

0:42 to skip the ads and introduction

[@Cunnysmythe]

Saw this far too late but you're a good sort

[@sparkymarky7504]

As someone who generally votes for conservatism PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go for Jess Phillips, long Bailey, starmer, thornberry, Diane Abbott, keep Corbyn... any of these options will no doubt keep the socialists out of power for the next decade minimum

[@jasminepreen4125]

@Jack how much more have they got to lose? If they like him then that's one up on Corbyn.

[@TheFourFats]

when will labour ever get back in power anyway... never at this point

[@Mageroeth]

They wont they nuked the grassroot base when they nuked Corbyn they have lost a great deal over there base destroying him.

[@Crispman_777]

Not with that attitude they won't.

[@TheReubstar]

Fear you may be right . . .

[@tig3662]

They need to get back to the Tony Blair style days and refresh their party. I'm a Labour supporter but I cannot stand the current party. Nobody outside of the Labour bubble actually like him the leader. His polices are good to a certain degrees but too extreme and many are completely ridiculous. Party needs a complete clear out and a fresh, more relaxed approach.

[@PKM1010]

@@tig3662 Most of his policies really aren't considered extreme in the rest of Europe. It reminds me a bit of Americans saying national healthcare, or gun control, is impossible.

[@FW10826]

Great video!

[@lordgong4980]

Man the process for selecting a leader for a political party seems way to complicated

[@moosesandmeese969]

Wait till you hear about the US's process

[@lordgong4980]

@@moosesandmeese969 Yeah but it really doesn't matter how the party leader is for us in the U.S

[@user-kb8rc5vq2i]

@@lordgong4980 in this case party leader is analogous to both presidential nominee and senate/house leader.

[@azullalazuardi726]

By ‘trial by combat’, I hope

[@ThePlatinumMatt]

I feel like Clive Lewis wins that by a large margin

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

I’d put my money on Jess, those chops could chew an apple through a barn door.

[@SwissSareth]

Trial by combat is so uncivilised and favours physically stronger candidates. How about trial by Russian Roulette? Honest chance, only one winner.

[@Tobberz]

Clive Willis? Clive who?

[@nannyoggsally]

For me it's very sad that Corbyn won't ever have the chance to show what he would have done as Prime Minister. Labour lost on Brexit and on internationalism that doesn't appeal to the (rural) working class.

[@dark_messiah8183]

xnebiax jeremy Corbyn was genuinely one of the best chances the UK had had in a long time. If Long-Bailey doesn’t get the nom, and it’s Starmer or god forbid Phillips, say goodbye to a people’s government in any form for a while

[@ott1186]

You can always move to Venezuela if you want to see how his policies play out. You can see what a 'people's' government looks like.

[@alex-sv8ru]

Dark_Messiah I'm glad that traitor is gone.

[@alex-sv8ru]

Michael Mason you mean unashamedly treacherous. I myself agree with many socialist policies, but i am not a cultural marxist like jeremy.

[@anish7183]

@@dark_messiah8183 isnt starmer a leftist

[@kyokyoniizukyo7171]

Reminder, that left leading policies didn’t kill Labour...

[@danielwebb8402]

Not sure if you are being sarcastic. Such far-left policies did. What evidence do you have that they didn't? I can see 11 consecutive elections where the UK public have clearly shown they are not and will not vote for anything left of Blair. Labour's argument "This increase in size of state by 10%+ isn't extreme. It will take us to just above European average levels." Was understood. But the public also understood "this means European average levels of tax. Because we understand maths. And this is a material increase for all" The public didn't increase the "top 5% only will pay an extra anything". Because it wasn't true / can't be.

[@riyadhul-hoque6851]

@@danielwebb8402 omd u need to chill my man... Being a sugar-coated tory isn't gonna help anyone 😂

[@sage2308]

. . . . the electorate did!!!!!

[@jianjo9844]

daniel webb Labour policies were polled very popular, people were polled why the didn't vote Labour and the overwhelmingly majority said because of Corbyn and because of Brexit. You're incorrect and just peddling what you want to be the truth.

[@ifbbprosjt]

Phillips 🙈 = another 10 years or more in the wilderness 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TheBloodsuger150]

SJT Fitness why? Long-Bailly is the more dangerous one to me.

[@lewischarlesworth6697]

If we are already using alternative voting systems to elect party leaders then why the hell are we not using it to elect MPs

[@danielwebb8402]

Because that isn't what the public want. The Labour party are using it to elect their leader. Not "we". It's not a generic all party rule. As per many issues, Labour what UK public want.

[@july6949]

@@danielwebb8402 the conservatives also used STV to elect their leaders.

[@danielwebb8402]

@@july6949 the piece of paper I received, as a conservative member, had 2 names on. That was it. No transferable anything. Again confusing "internal party issues" with "we" when "we" should mean 67m people.

[@KillingTheMotivation]

daniel webb the Tories also use run-off* voting mate. It’s well known it’s far better for elections, the Tories and Labour don’t want it for general elections because FPTP hurts them *Accidentally put ranked, apologies

[@KillingTheMotivation]

daniel webb AV, PR every other form of voting is the same as FPTP when there’s only two candidates. Look at Cameron’s election, under FPTP he’d have lost to David Davis

[@mattmatthews8993]

You don’t need support from unions, it’s union support or CLP support

[@MRAROCKERDUDE]

Matt Matthews It’s Union support or actual support from the electorate 😂

[@mesothelimoa341]

@@MRAROCKERDUDE Who funds the Unions? People who work.

[@MRAROCKERDUDE]

@@mesothelimoa341 Labour Party unions are traditionally ultra-left-wing authoritarian (the most despised type by the average person). The UK populace is fiscally conservative and socially liberal, as a whole.

[@mesothelimoa341]

@@MRAROCKERDUDE They aren't , not really any more. Unite is probably the worst but that's mostly down to the size and Len McCluskey but the other smaller ones are much better. It's better and safer to be in a union so a company can't screw you over as easily. It's no secret that more highly unionised sectors pay better and have better conditions because you have more power to fight for them. If the average person hated them so much they wouldn't exist and they wouldn't have as much sway as they do. Also they sometimes have votes on issues to bring to the attention of the Labour Party so they can act as a more effective method of getting public opinion across into parliament.

[@MRAROCKERDUDE]

@@mesothelimoa341 I fully support smaller, private unions. I don't support public unions as they have an excessive amount of influence and power. But supporting private sector unions and believing they should be the ones that effectively, indirectly make all of the decisions through their influence, that's a whole other ball game I don't support. Bottom line, Labour needs to listen and pay attention to the electorate, not the unions. Don't say they're one in the same. If that were the case, Corbyn wouldn't have become leader.

[@spoopytime9928]

0:34 You had me at memes

[@heolonnen]

Diane Abbott for Labour Leader - She's the best they've got!!!!

[@mattmatthews8993]

Starmer is not a f*cking centrist

[@peaceandjustice3575]

Matt Matthews Explain why.

[@alexpotts6520]

"Centrist" is one of those words that has been overused, chiefly pejoratively, to the point of meaninglessness.

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@peaceandjustice3575 The video mentioned he described himself as a socialist.

[@tacticalidiots2340]

@@Cunnysmythe socialism isn't far left though? Centre left.

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@tacticalidiots2340 no, centre-left is the territory of social programs such as welfare and maybe even socialised medicine at a distant stretch. Socialism is undoubtedly far left; it doesn't get much further left than that.

[@owen5847]

They're all terrible. It's evolve or die time for the Labour party. The Tories just did. - Drop the far left economics - Accept Brexit - Kick out the Momentum cult - Elect a decent Leader - Reconnect with the working class - Make yourselves look like people who could actually run the country Or prepare to get replaced with a new opposition and become the third party again in 2024.

[@theharbingerofconflation]

So sad that neither Marx nor Engles are running this time.

[@jesseberg3271]

As an American, it's so weird to hear about people paying to join a political party.

[@jaydenbonney-jones5924]

Yeah and at least here in Canada only like 2% of everyone is part of a political party

[@Lawfair]

Many of the smaller parties in the U.S. (both left and right), require paid memberships to participate. But they will gladly take the vote of anyone who wants to give it to them.

[@jesseberg3271]

@@Lawfair Yes, but unlike in the UK, the smaller parties in the US are a joke, often a bad joke, at that. The US went all in on the two party system, and shaped our institutions with the two parties in mind. Whereas the UK, on the other hand, is stuck somewhere between an American style two party system and a European style multiparty system, and can't make up its mind. That's why they have such a problem with the first past the post system: it only works right if you commit to having just two parties.

[@eoghan.5003]

0:02 *December

[@ethan4896]

He just misread the script, it makes sense with a comma after January. The announcement was in January

[@Simmeoon]

Did he say Jerry Corbyn?

[@itshitime]

if rebeeca or jess win then there is no way im voting labour

[@ioannisimansola7115]

Before selecting a leader you need to choose an ideology

[@TAK-yj4hj]

Easy solution: fight to the death

[@TheHairyKarl]

Ian Lavery

[@colinc.8742]

How about which candidate can hold their breath for longer than 10 minutes

[@samuelhammond-laing3625]

Where do each of the candidates stand on the political spectrum? Centrist? Soft left? Left?

[@Aklec]

From what I understand, Starmer is a Soft Left, Long-Bailey is left and Phillips is more centrist. I don't really know much about the others.

[@ekx5120]

Are all Labour candidates English? I mean could a Scottish/Welsh/N-Irish Labour MP ever have a chance? How do Scottish/Welsh/N-Irish Labour supporters feel about their representation? Do they have to turn to 'national' formations? Plaid Cymru/SNP etc. UK politics seems so unfair if you're not English or in England! :D

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

Seems unfair if you live in the north as well. They listened this time though.

[@danielwebb8402]

Blair and Brown were Scottish. It's just probability. You have to be an MP. Labour have only 23 out of their 203. So if you have 6 candidates, it is about 50/50 that they'd all be from English constituencies.

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@danielwebb8402 Blair wasn't Scottish

[@danielwebb8402]

@@Cunnysmythe I know he represented English constituency but he was born in Scotland. He'd certainly be eligible to play football for Scotland and I wouldn't 😁

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@danielwebb8402 Jesus, you're right Surprised that didn't come up a lot more Thanks for the info

[@michaelgodsonsirens]

9:30. Good old Clive Willis

[@richard.featherstone]

"Comprimise". As a nod to the Grauniad you will now be called TDLR Nesw

[@TheAmazingTNT]

Just an FYI, when referring to someone with a knighthood you should always call them Sir [First Name] [Surname] or Sir [First Name], never Sir [Surname]. So Sir Keir or Sir Keir Starmer, but not Sir Starmer

[@Hellion912]

I live in Texas, so I would like to learn why this is the case.

[@Xii371]

God what pompous drivel! hahahahaha

[@ilikedota5]

@@Xii371 well the aristocracy still technically exists so just to be safe. What if they get the financial backing of a member of the House of Lords.

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

Helen Taylor I’m interested as well, this is just a guess, but a knighthood is a personal thing that you get awarded, it’s not passed on down family lines. So that’s why the first name has to be used????

[@maddyg3208]

Try and stop me

[@annoloki]

5 words! That's how far you got before saying something wrong! How do you not spot that we didn't have an election in the past 3 days?!? That's embarrassing, come on, if you don't pay attention to what you say, why ask others to?

[@karimiqbal3669]

Also make a video for deputy leader contenders

[@jaydenbonney-jones5924]

Wait the UK has Deputy Leader elections? In Canada their appointed by the party leader who's practically a dictator. Don't vote with the party, may God help you. Threaten to not support the parties platform if elected as some Labour candidates did, you likely are no longer a candidate for the party.

[@alexpotts6520]

So the main names to watch in the deputy leadership race are Richard Burgon, one of Corbyn's most avid defenders; and Angela Rayner who is more of a unity candidate, equally willing to praise Corbyn and Blair, which is pretty rare in the current party. I suspect Rayner is the favourite as she probably has the broadest coalition of support from across the party. However, there are doubtless going to be several more candidates who haven't announced their bids yet, so the picture might look very different in a couple of weeks.

[@JourneyLT]

Ian Lavery.

[@marconatrix]

Thanks for that clear and useful explanation.

[@thisiscrazy4122]

When Labour tries to stay true to their core Labour beliefs they loose the elections, but when the move a bit more centre-left they win. This are the facts. Labour will have to move more to the centre if the have any hopes for the next elections in 2024.

[@janrym9551]

There are really many factors to why Labour lost the election this time, but you decided it's because they were not centrist enough. I find this interpretation somehow way too instant.

[@thisiscrazy4122]

​@@janrym9551I did not decided shit, just check the past 10 elections on wikipedia and if you read each one of the Labour manifesto in the context of their time, you will see that every time Labour goes from the centre-left to their home base, the radical-left they fucking lose. And you can't tell me that Blair's Labour was a true Labour manifesto, government and later polices. Labour lost each time they tried to be true to themselves and the Labour values, but to be fair this is true with one exception, the miliband's Labour lost not on their polices or that they were to "lefty", but because of the rags magazines and that idiotic speech or that fucking sandwich.

[@Problembeing]

Long-Bailey was 2 when her dad lost his job... she’s needlessly lied to come across as relatable. Jess Philips would keep Labour out of power for decades, she’s a ludicrous figure. There simply is no one candidate presented that is electable or even likeable.

[@dean1039]

Eeny meeny miny mo, catch a Marxist by its toe, if you do, let it go, eeny meeny miny mo...

[@hugheffo]

Oh oh oh Diane Abbott. 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@desydukuk291]

You don't need me to tell you.

[@nicbongo]

Time seems right for David Milliband. Has he commented on this?

[@IamStrqngx]

What about Labour MSPs?

[@alexpotts6520]

I believe they have a similar role in choosing the party's leader in Holyrood.

[@tonyv6815]

Please let it be Jess Phillips, I desperately need the memes

[@coolpeopleit]

...Ironic GIFs of her laughing at male suicide rates incoming

[@elPominator]

Cue "I wouldn't even vote for you" trending

[@crazyrobots6565]

Really cool that 2/3 top candidates are women. I personally think the guy is more up my alley, but that is just my view.

[@hcwcars1]

Dianne Abbott is the only sane choice.

[@SergioMoonbeam]

Isn't ranking all the way down called Single Transferrable Vote not Alternative Vote?

[@ABritishGamer1]

No, they both rank candidates but STV has multi-member constituencies whereas AV has single member and so STV is Proportional whereas AV is not.

[@SergioMoonbeam]

@@ABritishGamer1 ah thank you

[@dan27032]

Please, for your own good... refrain from using discord light theme

[@Daniel-fv1ff]

How can Stadmer say he won't change anything but also be more certrist than Corbyn? If he won't change anything wouldn't that put him in the same place as Corbyn?

[@psych0536]

It's because Starmer is a lying Blairite

[@Daniel-fv1ff]

@@psych0536 good answer hahahah

[@alexpotts6520]

Starmer is kind of cross-factional, appealing to both Corbynites and Corbyn-sceptics. Either this is a good thing because he can put an end to infighting in the party or it's bad because he isn't clear what he stands for.

[@ironblaster7511]

At the start you said the defeat in January. It was in December not January

[@ethan4896]

IronBLASTER you’re missing a comma

[@ethan4896]

Following labour’s defeat, in January Jeremy corbyn Announced...

[@ironblaster7511]

Labour lost in December not January and i'm a member

[@ethan4896]

IronBLASTER He misread the script, the election was in December, Jeremy Corbyn made his announcement in January

[@um02122]

08:07 "comprimise"

[@dannymain8993]

I wonder how much it would cost to help get the easist targets for the MSM into the leadership? At £4.50 p/month for membership, maybe not that much. There's no point in pretending that politics isn't just a PR contest driven by the MSM. Keir looks like the hardest target for now. Most of the rest are easy pickings. Though Nandy could be a serious contender in a few years.

[@dannymain8993]

@martin corderoy "Rich people bad so vote Tory" It sounds like you're saying that good honest, hardworking Notherners are all stupid hypocrites?

[@TimelessPendantry]

Lisa Nandy is the only one that has my Support

[@shak9616]

As long as momentum still exists labour won’t be winning anytime soon, Don’t think I’ll vote for them ever again tbh until all the corbynista’s are gone.

[@philpem]

It's Militant all over again.

[@michaelperry1228]

Hi TLDR... the election was in December, not January!

[@djdmk]

wheres dianne abbott in the thumbnail?

[@alexpotts6520]

She ran in 2010, and came stone-cold last. She's not going to run again, however much certain mean-spirited conservatives might wish her to.

[@alexpotts6520]

@Kyle James Catterall Yeah, that's what I meant by "mean-spirited conservatives".

[@HMASBarbette]

No doubt it will be like all other nutjobs through chook lotto!

[@SCORPION5O]

we will ever get to see the full results of your opinioned poll? its almost like you don't want us to know the results?

[@bjorntoulouse7523]

If Lisa Nandy doesn’t get it Labour have had it for years, if ever.

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Labour has had it even if Lisa Nandy wins the leadership. Even though she may have the right ideas, she lacks the calibre to execute on them. There exists no suitable candidate to lead the labour party.

[@bjorntoulouse7523]

Billie Piper’s Teeth - True, but at least choosing her would be an acknowledgment of where they went wrong.

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

@@bjorntoulouse7523 It would be that at least for sure.

[@jonahpeacock2561]

Labor will be out of power until they get there two support bases to stop hating each other the social justice people and the working class north. Hope the new leader of the party can find a large enough base of support.

[@alexpotts6520]

Here's the thing, the Tories also have a very split voting coalition. Not a lot in common between the small-business-owning go-getters, the patrician retirees in the home counties and the flag-waving working classes. But they somehow keep it together...

[@ott1186]

@@alexpotts6520 As the small business owning type, I can tell you that I have plenty to talk about with retirees and working class. We love the UK and we know what a hard day's work is. We know that nothing in the world is free. That's what lefties don't have.

[@oweng7987]

Well, obviously it should be based on intersectionality points! Whoever is furthest up the ‘victimhood totem pole’ should win.

[@thomasdevine867]

Corbyn lacked good sense, but I hope they don't run away from "fire in the belly" which was Corbyn's only virtue. If none of the others have the "fire," they might as well stick with Corbyn.

[@dark_messiah8183]

It’s just a shame Corbyn won’t be pm. UK lost a good man for PM there

[@Rozmic]

We don't like commies. Get over it.

[@revolutionalist]

Need more people with more life experiences with daily interaction with the working class like Police, GP, Academics, office managers,

[@lordyrich]

If they choose Jess Phillips or RLB then they will have learnt nothing.

[@CashelOConnolly]

Do you have a problem with women

[@lordyrich]

@@CashelOConnollyNo.

[@hornet919rider2]

@@CashelOConnolly Just a problem with these 2.

[@alexpotts6520]

It seems weird you would lump these two together. To me they seem, respectively the candidates most critical of and most sympathetic to the outgoing leader.

[@lordyrich]

@@alexpotts6520 being unelectable in the UK is not an insult. It's closer to a compliment. I choose these two because they are easy targets for the press and the voters will lap it up like they always do. The only Labour leader to win in my life was Blair and he is basically a Tory. I like them both but it's a case of know your audience

[@ConnorLonergan]

Of the top 3 Long-Bailey would be my pick for leadership. Not only does she have the backing of the Corbyn left but she is aware that the alienation of leave voters is the cause of the party defeat. The other two seem to be wanting to make the party full on remain despite it being clear that is not what the majority want

[@riyadhul-hoque6851]

Diane Abbott.... 😢

[@ResoundGuy5]

...is a joke

[@riyadhul-hoque6851]

@@ResoundGuy5 ur a joke.... She would be the best!!! 😆

[@CashelOConnolly]

ResoundGuy why is she a joke?

@@CashelOConnolly Yes, she's the UK's Yang

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@CashelOConnolly She's a radical left politician who habitually uses race as a cudgel and cannot handle interviews without getting angry or embarrassing herself

[@Accessless]

Very informative. Now I think we're in for another 10 years of conservative government.

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

I voted for Boris, but any party in power needs a strong opposition otherwise the system gets skewed to one side. Labour are just in a mess at the moment, now would be a good idea for Blue Labour to break off and form a new party or boot out the toxic leftists. I don’t know if Labour’s name is that tarnished in people’s minds, it is mainly the Corbyn name that people remember. If a strong Blue Labour candidate was put forward they would get a lot of people’s votes back, it doesn’t look like it’s happening though.

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@mrmagoo-i2l Do you think any new party can survive in our system Even veteran parties that have loyal support like the Greens get minimal traction I was interested in how that Centrist Blairite party that David Miliband et al were setting up was going to go, never seen that much mainstream/publicly respected support behind a startup party

[@izzrainy7410]

For once, all the candidate seem like OK people. That makes me a little hopeful.

[@redfallout7650]

@Izz Rainy Jess Phillips, laughed at male suicide figures, a good person?

[@henrykjohn78]

@@redfallout7650 yeah ofc she did. Because those damn women hating us men. Gosh we men have it hard

[@redfallout7650]

@Henryk John is that sarcasm? because there is proof that she did that.

[@moosesandmeese969]

@@redfallout7650 citation needed tory

[@robo3007]

Jess Phillips is evil incarnate, but the rest seem okay.

[@Dextrovix-42]

Hey TLDR, you need to "R" more often, there's a mis-spelling of "compromise" starting at 8:07...!

[@EDoyl]

I don't know if a second referendum position makes sense after the general. The huge Tory majority is enough, to me, to show that "the will of the people" is to leave, or at least that a "Get Brexit Done!"ing Boris leading up to the referendum would be enough to result in a leave vote. The pro-EU position now really has to be either mitigating the effects of leave ('soft Brexit') or remain with no second referendum (the idea being that the issue is too complicated to demand everyone in the country learn enough to make an informed decision, so the first referendum should have never happened and it should be decided by the people's elected representative, who they pay to make decisions like this).

[@mrawesome7175]

Eoin Doyle facts

[@Daniel-fv1ff]

I don't really think that second position is tenable. When people have voted twice for something. Some would say 'what's the point of democracy if the leaders decide they know what's best for us better than we do?' In China the dictators claim legitimacy because they have run the economy well and improved living standards. Isn't that the same reasoning?

[@psych0536]

@@Daniel-fv1ff More people voted for remain parties than leave parties tbh, but supporting soft brexit is definitely the best way forward for Labour. In the December general all the remain parties cannibalized each other

[@EDoyl]

@@Daniel-fv1ff Yeah I don't think it's workable at this stage either. It's clearly in opposition to democracy (even if it's only so because of other violations of democracy), so it'd be political suicide. Campaigning as a remainer is going to be tough for anyone doing it since looking for a new referendum is completely pointless and overturning the old referendum is, yeah, ugly.

[@Daniel-fv1ff]

@@psych0536 in that case another referendum would probably be a better stance than 'we know what's best'

[@fabienb]

Wrongly

[@samwilkinson6779]

Does anyone know if you can vote in the leadership election as a member of the party but below 18 years old?

[@Josh-vg8zm]

Look on membership pages

[@samwilkinson6779]

sponge bob yeah it's annoying, it really doesn't give alot of info.

[@cobaltbrightside5427]

I’m a u18 Lib Dem member, and I voted during their leadership election. Not sure about Labour, but since they’re in favour of lowering the voting age to 16 I imagine that’s the age their internal elections are set at. Hope that helps :)

[@samwilkinson6779]

Cobalt Brightside thanks a lot 😁

[@fozcast8015]

As a 16 year old labour member, I think I'm correct in saying yes you do

[@maetapongounupatising3193]

Get woke, Go....

[@DaDunge]

When will you have a new podcast out?

[@Capt.Thunder]

There is no such thing as a moderate socialist. It's a contradiction in terms.

[@bonnie115]

you mean like a compassionate conservative?

[@Capt.Thunder]

@@bonnie115 Conservative citizens on average give far more to charity than socialist citizens do. And I am not even a Conservative, but yes, the Conservative governments are far better than Socialist regimes. Name a single Socialist country that hasn't devolved into corruption and tyranny. Scandinavian countries, fun fact, are not Socialist, they are capitalists and Social Liberals with high income tax rates and expansive wellfare systems. Socialist countries build walls to keep their citizens in, capitalist countries build walls to keep foreigners out.

[@boulevard14]

In December*

[@smuu1996]

A Corbyn-type leader will always be better than a Blair-type, at least you know what the fuck you're getting with Corbyn.

[@Rozmic]

Yes, not elected to government.

[@smuu1996]

@@Rozmic Who did more damage? "Mr I -want-to-help-Bush-invade-Iraq" or Jeremy Corbyn?

[@wangdangdoodie]

@@Rozmic 😂😂😂😂😂

[@pm79080]

Discord is proprietary malware.

[@danielwebb8402]

As a member of the conservative party I'm not even sure I should have received a vote in their leadership contest. The party exists. It has policies I agree with. Therefore I join and give them my £25. They don't exist to make me happy. For me to set their policies. The order is certainly party has policies > I agree > I join. Whereas Labour seems to exist for the benefit of its members. The order is I'm a member > we set the policies > party exists to implement them. That model can (does currently) seem the same as a working man's club, "Exists for benefit of members". Whereas political party should be "Exists to be in power". How can we differentiate Labour over the past 4 years from a protest group, say extinction rebellion? Marches. Attempt (often sucessfully) to raise policy issues / conversations.

[@alexpotts6520]

I think that stems from a difference in political worldview, though. Conservatives are generally big believers in the "marketplace of ideas" - their conception of democracy is by analogy to capitalism, that there are many "producers" of various ideas (ie politicians), and they compete to attract "consumers" (ie voters). The voters don't create the ideas but simply choose the best one available. Labour, on the other hand, sees democracy as a "struggle". It is driven by large numbers of people - ordinary voters, not politicians - putting their thoughts into the mix, and ideologies, particularly the ideas of socialism, are a natural outgrowth of that. Once you appreciate the divergent worldviews, it's pretty clear why Labour would want to give its members more say over policy than the Tories would.

[@croneryveit9070]

Corbyn was too good for this country. Labour needs someone that will sell their dreams and kiss more ass.

[@Rozmic]

Too good? He lost against MAY for Christ's sake! How do you even do that?

[@croneryveit9070]

@@Rozmic Do you speak English? To be "too good" is to be "too" good that you can't succeed as much as your goodness entails. Usually because (not necessarily in this case) a; the game is rigged, b; the jury doesn't "get" it or (in this case) c; people are fed lies and misinformation on such a frequent basis that people start thinking you are full of BS when you're actually not.

[@simonthegreat543]

Just go down the local nut house and take your pick. Couldn’t be any worse than the woke weirdos who have chucked their names in!

[@stephenisom6089]

IF they pick a leader from the front bench or hard left or anti brexit mps then they are finished they need some one who is clean and can speak an is a leader a not an advised moron like now,but they will pick another bore and unpopular leader ,,they are done for they fight for ted wigget and his ferrets but we are not like that any more some one needs to tell them labour are living in the 19 70s,,

[@raheem201231]

The editing and animation are really bad this video

[@bethiakittify]

Please, it's not Sir Starmer, it's Sir Keir. Don't do the American thing, it's embarrassing. Love TLDRnews by the way!

[@frasersteen]

It's funny but all the left leaning labour candidates look a lot like young Neil Kinnocks. Kinda hoping for Long-Bailey and maybe, just maybe, that would leave the door open enough for the Lib Dems to become the main opposition.

[@abdulbubbly3673]

Id vote for sir starmer

[@TJ_Travels1]

What about Diane Abbott for leadership election? 👀

[@CatholicWeeb]

*_DISCORD LIGHT MODE_* OH NO

[@harold4506]

I did realise Starmer was a U2 fan.