How LETHAL is a 12 Gauge Mini Shell??? (Shockwave 590s vs Human Torso)

How Effective is a 12 Gauge Mini Shell??? Today we find out with the Mossberg Shockwave 590s & a Ballistic Dummy Lab Torso!
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[@1ShotTV]

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[@cowsmowmygrass]

How much do the mannequin cost? Seems like expensive target practice, but EXTREMELY impressive.

[@johncoleman2495]

@@cowsmowmygrass about $2700

[@alfasierra254]

I know it's not important and you can say it however you want but Águila is Eagle in Spanish and the force of pronunciation goes in the first Á gee la. Love your work! Greetings from Kennesaw Ga.

[@VroomNBoom]

#4 buck is an awesome round full sized or fun sized tbh I prefer it over 00 buck

[@Exandria]

Can we PLEASE get a video of you using the 22tcm on a ballistic dummy labs dummy? Im so curious to see what it does with the hydrostatic shock. I would do it, but I don’t have enough disposable income to buy a torso with a head. P.s. it would be interesting to see the torso with and without level 2 armor!!

[@Jasmine-pq5qu]

For everyone that wondering, the ballistics zombie torso cost $2700

[@Swishersweetcigarilo]

Holy shit really?

[@PrimericanIdol]

That's preposterous

[@warrenharrison9490]

They've gone up a little.

[@PrimericanIdol]

@@nightcat87 Who in their right mind would shoot their gun? They're valuable objects. You should never use them as targets. 🤣

[@Nope-ik8wv]

@@PrimericanIdolfor $2700 for a torso you might as well shoot a gun lol

[@Jay_Sullivan]

This might be the most important lethality test I've ever seen. Aside from some of the range tests, I typically watch purely for entertainment. This is one that's actually important for my decision-making. It's good to know that you can increase your ammo count and still be pretty devastating if they're not wearing a lot of clothing.

[@robkoons1891]

Agreed!

[@tourdelance3698]

Damn, that thing is powerful🙏🏻

[@garygriffeth4852]

Is that the zombie laug h ing​@@robkoons1891

[@Adam-nv9zo]

I'd say mini shells are definitely a viable round as long as your tool will run them. Great video, as always.

[@thought_crime1979]

Might be even lethal 😉

[@Kinetic.44]

The whole point of a shotgun is max payload, maximum one shot stop potential. These mini shells do the opposite.

[@Adam-nv9zo]

@user-mv7bb2ls3l That's why I said "viable" as opposed to optimal.

[@zanegardner6488]

​@user-mv7bb2ls3l agreed. Never seen the interest in them

[@YacolJ]

​@@Kinetic.44Maybe for you. Most people want the versatility of the shotgun. My son only owns 1 gun, a Mossberg 500. He can hunt with birdshot. He can shoot slugs like a rifle. He can use buckshot for self defense. Hell I just wish that they had the 590s when I bought his shotgun.

[@jamesforehand8181]

I have a 20 gauge shockwave that I love, being in my 70’s with arthritis the 20 works just fine and causes enough damage for home defense though with full size shells

[@Mr_Zimm]

What are you running through a 20ga for home defesne?

[@jamesforehand8181]

@@Mr_Zimm #3 buck and slugs

[@yoshiike1]

Perfect ​@@jamesforehand8181

[@taasch2505]

​@@jamesforehand8181I've had an affordable Mossberg Maverick 88 in 20 gauge since my 19th Birthday (I'm 34 now). I've only every shot 25 or 30 rounds through it. But I'm considering going and finally putting some rounds down range with it again (was taken aback by the felt recoil and had bad memories). I have 3 boxes of Remington #3 buckshot as well. I don't have slugs because I live in a townhouse and that seems nightmarish for me. I do keep a .40 next to my bed with 3 loaded magazines and mounted light/laser. But I think a long gun should be my go to if possible. I took off the 26" barrel and put on an 18.5" barrel. Gotta see how it runs.

[@philgoodpaster3161]

@@Mr_Zimm I'm 78. I run #1 Buck in my 20 gauge Shockwave. Plenty of power.

[@averycooper427]

I actually like that you used the mini #4 to see that deep penetration without pass-thru, makes for a more logical home defense when you live in a multi-unit complex. Most tell me to use my 9mm but I know that will punch through all kinds of stuff and worries me, and clearly so will even mini slugs lol.

[@AFreeThinkingDawg09]

A 9mm from a handgun will penetrate more barriers than a 556 will from a short barrel. Why? The 556 will fragment and lose its momentum. The 9mm retains most if not all of the weight and will just keep chugging til something stops it or it loses enough velocity.

[@MiltJohnson-sw9lc]

Your exactly right , I don’t want to hurt innocent people either

[@Faithful_Solaire]

I’m pretty impressed with the #4 mini. Looks like it does plenty of damage without having to worry much about over penetration.

[@larryjanson4011]

not only the above. but a buck shot hits many spots were a 9mm hits one spot. so if just the impact with no penetration is going to drop most in pain. best of all you have follow up shots. with little worry ant shooing someone next door. but next do a test using a calk wallboard and even plywood wall.

[@crankygunreviews]

The minishells are basically regular 2 3/4 shells without the cushion part of the wad. Ones I have shot did not feel like they had much less recoil, if they do it's maybe because they're only like 1200 fps versus 1600 fps of full size loads. I make my own minishells in 12 gauge and 20 gauge.

[@bobbybush1750]

I want to get into pressing my own shells, any tips on doing the minishells?

[@bertkilborne6464]

@@bobbybush1750 It's easy - look up Ballistic Products

[@bertkilborne6464]

@@bobbybush1750 Or Bubba Rountree Outdoors

[@SinOjOs-Transport]

​@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Go back to your woke basement in yer mommies house. You are wrong in every aspect.

[@meuclone]

So, zip regular shells to minishells. Tkns.

[@UDX4570PalmSprings-yh1mv]

I don't care what you have in the chamber, looking at the business end of any guage is a serious game changer.😏👍

[@zanegardner6488]

Buckshot may be one of my favorite rounds ever. Just love it

[@adoptdontshop3916]

I have the original 590s 20 inche/choke. Ran multiple shells and mix/match in the tube and never failed. Great Video! I know I'm biased because I am, can't never go wrong with a Mossberg. Cheers mate!

[@rangetime6779]

Great video! Entertaining and informative. I think the mini shell slugs will penetrate more than a 2 3/4" because they're too slow to expand. They all worked well (except the birdshot). That #4 buckshot might be perfect for places where over penetration is a concern. Thanks for your efforts.

[@williamhoppe4500]

That headshot was a "No Brainer."😂

[@andyleotell]

Ha!

[@baomao7243]

Thoughtless remark

[@andyleotell]

@@baomao7243 ha

[@baomao7243]

@@andyleotell All good. In one ear, and out the other.

[@louislascelles1846]

🤣

[@HowardMcCahill-k7n]

Great video....at 77 been a Remington guy all my life but am super impressed with the Mossberg 590S -- Many THX

[@johnphillips3703]

Nice to see what the mini shells can do. I have neighbors close to me so I need something that will make people think twice but not go thru too many walls

[@Steelcity77]

I've been waiting for this video for a long time, I run 9+1 Aguila mini buck in my mossberg 500. Thanks for the awesome video, and I definitely feel confident running them now.👍🏼

[@Rubeless]

Huntin turkey?

[@Steelcity77]

@@Rubeless Turkey's that break into my home, yes. I have an 18.5 inch 500 mariner, this isn't pappy's huntin shotgun. It's also just back up, I have rifles for my go to.

[@warrenharrison9490]

Mini shells in a BDL torso is something I don't recall any other guntuber trying. Glad it's finally been done. Taking notes.

[@MaximusMerideus]

Do you need to buy the mini clip adapter?

[@Steelcity77]

@@MaximusMerideus For them to run reliably, yes.

[@Tesla1254]

Excellent video! I was considering loading up one of my shotguns w/mini-shells, as my wife is... "Recoil-Sensitive". I appreciate you taking the time to share this. 😎👍 (Side-Note: The liver is located in the upper-right quadrant of a person's abdomen.)

[@opossom1968]

i like it. number 4 mini is great for keeping the down range safer in a neighborhood setting. Also i enjoy the thought of the doctor having to dig the rounds out of the perp. I want them to keep what i gave. Leave that hot metal in there to burn more.

[@iketinknocker5033]

What a statement 😂.. Winner

[@warrenharrison9490]

For those that already have Mossberg 500, 500A, 500B, 500AB... As long as there are grooves in bottom of receiver in front of trigger assembly at the shell loading port you can install a DEFENDER TACTICAL CARTRIDGE ADAPTER it will allow your shotgun to cycle mini, 2-3/4" and 3" shells. @defender tactical

[@dustinbrown7246]

Adapter? I shot all of those in my delta 88 fresh out of the box

[@PrayingPanda]

The Defender Tactical Universal Shell Loader is definitely a better buy with a 590 Shockwave than the 590s Shockwave. That little piece on the 590s can pop off. And while the opsol adapter is cheap, it also must be taken out to use 2 3/4 or 3 inch shell. The defender tactical doesn't have to be taken out.

[@robertkeller9828]

DELTA 88? Never heard of that one. That being said, WHERE are you finding 1.75 shells? Everytime I check, Bass Pro, Wally World, Academy, Sportsmans Warehouse, my local gun shops, NO ONE has anything! Even Federal's website shows out-of-stock. Aguila are just STOOPID expensive if you can fund them! Btw, the Oppsol Adapter ain't cutting it. The Critical Defense full adapter kit is much better functioning BUT I have questions about longevity. Aa I mentioned earlier, it's just better to skip these shot grip "novelties" and go with a standard shoulder stock shooting readily available and CHEAPER 2.75 loads. My BEAR CREEK ARSENAL 7.5 AR Pistol in 300 AAC is my GO-TOO home defense now and will soon have a "can" to go with it.

[@dustinbrown7246]

@@robertkeller9828 my apologies. A maverick 88.a delta 88 is an oldsmobile

[@M81_WOODLAND]

​@@dustinbrown7246I mean, an Olds Delta 88 is an effective 2-ton weapon, as well. 😆💀

[@dantedamean]

Would love to see this with different barriers like car windshield or a wood door, ect.

[@martinswiney2192]

If by ect. you mean politicians im with you on that. Politician penetration test.

[@JohnB-dr8sk]

Paul Harrell showed how the Federal 1oz Shorty Slug was as powerful as a standard full size Remington 1oz Managed Recoil Slug (1200 FPS). So despite how small it looks, the Federal Shorty Slug is just a regular 12 Gauge Low Recoil Slug in a smaller size.

[@martinswiney2192]

@@JohnB-dr8sk i keep my Shockwave stoked with mini slugs, holds 8 in the mag. They are lighter and a bit slower than a standard 2 3/4” slug but the ballistics on the Aquila slug equal out to the same as two 45 acp 230gr bullets hitting at the same time. I figure that should be sufficient for most social situations gone wrong.

[@MaxPower-ke5rq]

@@martinswiney2192 “social situations gone wrong” 😂 I like that! Within conversation range no doubt

[@JohnB-dr8sk]

@@martinswiney2192 Those Aguilas are definitely powerful, though I believe they are 3 times more powerful than a 45 ACP based on 400 ft lbs of energy. The Federal Shorty Slugs put out 1400 ft lbs of energy and because they are the shortest of the all the mini-shells, you can put 9 in a Mossberg Shockwave or 500/88. But yeah, if those Aguila slugs are working for you they are also thumpers no doubt. I just like the Federal Shorties because of the ability to load 9 and I also find them a lot more accurate than the Aguilas.

[@-strick996]

I keep an old Mossberg persuader 20-in barrel with full butt stock loaded with 14+1 mini number 4 buck. I feel it will do a good job for in house use. I also keep another 12ga loaded with some 000 buckshot only 5 rounds in it. And i have a single shot loaded with rubber buckshot and saddle full of rubber slugs and Buck i use to keep things away from my chickens. I also have a lot of adapters for the stagecoach and single shot, that I can use 44 mag, 45 Long Colt, 410, 357/38spl, 10mm, and a few others. Some are only 2"rifled and others are 9"s of riffling. Shotguns are so versatile and a must for home owners and homesteaders to have. Great video Edit- i think it's 13+1 sorry

[@CamBridge-ii9mu]

Paul Harrell mentioned by another person. He pretty much showed that birdshot can be used for home defense but only at short ranges. With his meat targets.

[@christopherbishop4927]

Even the hole this video shows that mini birdshot made would stop 99% of any threatening attackers, and just might keep the Defender out of prison But no this guy is going to use 3" 00 Buck, decimating the attacker and most anything behind them !

[@lancehobbs8012]

Home defense at short range. Im trying to Imagine a home SO big with rooms SO big that you need long range weapons

[@abettermind]

I've used birdshot on about every material you can imagine. It is absolutely not a good choice for home defense. Better than nothing, I suppose, but relying on pain and surprise to protect you is a fools game.

[@abettermind]

​@christopherbishop4927 That wasn't bird shot. Bird shot is absolutely pathetic unless you're putting your barrel basically against the target. If you're that close, you've already done a lot of things wrong and should probably use a better weapon.

[@bradd8383]

I know a fella that shot a man and killed him with birdshot in NY he keep pestering the guy and he blasted him​@@abettermind

[@luisarroliga8456]

Another excellent video as always. Just an idea, if you have not thrown away the ballistic dummy take a couple of shots of #4 buck to the right shoulder and bird shot to the left. You should be able to see the individual performance from each round since the shoulder is so clear & meaty. Loving your content, keep up the great work. From your loyal viewers down in America's mullet (South Florida) lol.👍

[@FierceMouse]

Defender Tactical makes an adapter that turns every mossberg into a shortshell/longshell eater. Thier product is better than Mossberg's manufacturer design in my experience. 25 bones right now, and cones with aluminum follower

[@texaspatriot9159]

Yes sir!!

[@MrAlphapug]

Works great in my 500. No need to take a rubber stopper in and out. 👍🏼

[@jamesk0ua]

On your advice I ordered one. Tnx.

[@FierceMouse]

@@jamesk0ua- You won't be disappointed

[@donausmus4281]

I agree! Much more robust than the factory unit.

[@BrokenBarBox]

I love the way you rack the slide. You look just like Sarah Connor in Terminator 2. So cool!

[@DaveNanan]

I remember reading that momentum racking like in T2 isn't good for the slide-action in the long run! 👍🏽

[@rschris]

Oh man, awesome video. Hey next time you do the torso test, can you put a t shirt and a cheap jacket on the torso. Just to see what effect that clothing would have on the rounds entering the torso. But another great video keep them coming !!

[@1ShotTV]

Yep good idea. We won’t be able to see the impact on camera as well but that would be more realistic

[@hardtbrett]

​@@1ShotTVhang the closes only in the front and do filming from the side👋🏻👍🏻

[@blizzak454]

Man. Shockwave + woox + tube spike = best apocalypse weapon.

[@sisleymichael]

I am not into shotguns without a butt stock. I'm 65 and it works best for me to have a stock. I feel extremely confident operating that way. I was given one of the very first Mossberg's in 12ga that had a pistol grip and short barrel via a death in the family and the family was getting rid of the fellow's stuff. I found a folding stock with built in ammo carrier to replace the pistol grip. Replaced the fore end with one with a built-in light. Slapped a HiViz over the barrel sight on it. It is a decent little gun now. I use 00-buck 2&3/4 ammo. It works fine out to about 20-25yds for best results, more than what its purpose is. I get the utility of the mini shells. Were I in a situation where penetration was a critical concern, I would get a Mossberg made to handle those shells. It could be quite viable.

[@bobjohnson1633]

You might consider getting an adapter and loading minis for home defense in coming years. Great potency and low recoil.

[@sisleymichael]

@@bobjohnson1633 I live very rural in south Texas, 60 miles from the border. Regular shells are fine for this environment. It is my wife and myself. My nearest neighbor is way on down a dirt road.

[@bobjohnson1633]

@@sisleymichael I'm making the 9mm argument. It generally gets the job done, eventually, and it is easier to shoot, period. It also has a much higher capacity.

[@sisleymichael]

@@bobjohnson1633 I don't have a 9mm in a long gun. If folks have them and like them, that is great. I know they work. Budget constraints prevent new weapons purchases with cattle prices in the toilet. (the packing companies are making bank, go figure.) I have the shotgun, used them for decades, and never had recoil aversion issues. Nothing can dispense lethality like a shotgun at close ranges for in the house ranges. For outside on the ranch at night? I take an AR, with light, body armor, extra mags, and a G19 with a light, a couple extra mags.

[@rolliehunt5173]

Great video demonstration of the mini shells. I just ordered a 590S Shockwave yesterday. It's an early Christmas present from my wife. Hopefully, it'll be in by then. For those that might not know, there are two barrel lengths of the 590S Shockwave. 14.375" and the 18.5" barrels. So, when ordering, look closely at the description.

[@Culers4life]

Which one is it in the video a 14 or 18?

[@rolliehunt5173]

@Culers4life I ordered the 14 inch version.

[@rolliehunt5173]

@Culers4life oh, I'm sure it's a 14 inch version in the video.

[@timg7627]

Good video. I just wish the mini shells were less expensive and also more readily available

[@josiaheck4865]

I was searching for a few months myself. Found some mini bird, buck, and slugs on Optics Planet (back ordered, but I got em before too long). Also recently been seeing mini slugs on Bulk Ammo, if all places. Tons of fun with a KSG, happy searching : D

[@gjhoward]

My rule of thumb with mini shells is if I see them in stock, I buy them. Money be damned.

[@jamesk0ua]

I ordered some last night from MidwayUSA

[@mjohnson6703]

They don't cycle well. They jam the gun.

[@gjhoward]

@@mjohnson6703 They do if you use a Mossberg with a Defender Tactical shell adapter.

[@gjhoward]

My 590 shotguns have a Defender Tactical shell adapter on them, basically turning them into an "S" model that can cycle all the shell lengths like yours. Highly recommend. I use short shells in my Shockwave and 2 3/4 shells in my standard 590.

[@ckoritko]

Love mine. Quite sufficient for home defense or a trunk gun when I’m on the road.

[@peterreily1490]

Lucky gunner just did a test. In gel. On a few different loads. Mini shells in pellets fall between 8-13” with most being 9-11” in clear gel. You need 00 buckshot that doesn’t have those pre split pellets. The #4 buckshot was weak. The slug straight through both blocks.

[@bobjohnson1633]

That's nonsense. The #4 would cause a devastating wound that would drain you very quickly. These aren't 9mm baby bullets from a Glock.

[@markteaney8381]

This you had showed how the mini shells cycle. All the rest was great thanks for your time and $$$. Happy new year.

[@onofframp]

Well, I can see the benefit of the laser. Gonna get one. Great video!

[@jakejones4801]

May seem like a silly question, but, where is the laser mounted? Am I just blind 😅

[@onofframp]

@@jakejones4801 It fits over the saddle and down the right side of the grip. easily activated with the trigger finger if you are right handed. I recommend it strongly as aiming our guns is a bit risky.

[@AD-zy4qw]

Great video of shotgun self-defense effectiveness . Good reason they are used in combat and law inforcement .

[@larry1754]

I just tonight found this video, thank you so much for posting it! I have the original Shockwave 590, and have always felt that it's real purpose is to be fired from the waist! As in close quarter combat... clearing buildings, moving in and out of hallways, around interior corners, naturally held at waist level for the mobility to do that. You aren't going to sweep a building with this gun held up to your head, so why would you take the extra time it takes, in a super quick life-or-death situation, to bring your Shockwave up to your head, aim, then fire? A shotgun is for close quarter engagement, if the target is maybe 20 ft from you, and you cannot hit it holding this gun at waist level, laser or not, maybe more practice with it is needed! And for home defense, I also think mini-shells are perfect. Much less chance of over penetration, and one or two 00 buckshot mini shells in an attacker will definately slow him down, let alone stop him!

[@Sagart999]

I would appreciate a list of the accessories added to this Mossberg.

[@lonewanderer3603]

I put a flashlight on the top pic rail and it causes the front bead to cast a perfect shadow that can be used fairly well for aiming. The light itself can be used since you know the barrel is about an inch below the middle of the light.

[@frankcastle1183]

Now that’s interesting. I had a crimson trace saddle but really like this idea instead.

[@scottroder5516]

I like this idea​@@frankcastle1183

[@stephenaddair]

Never saw any info on mini shells and never tried them so cool to watch this

[@KapteinFruit]

We need to see the explosive hollow point slugs with these tiny shells!

[@Kinetic.44]

It's definitely the only way they would expand at fragment at this low velocity. They usually need 1600 fps to do their trick.

[@lekerstobalgo698]

​@@Kinetic.44hollow all-copper split bullets seem to open up at subsonic speeds

[@Kinetic.44]

@@lekerstobalgo698 That is a good point, i was only talking about the standard 1 oz lead hollowpoint rifled Foster slug. The kind of slugs you are talking about are generally in a sabot require a rifled barrel for good accuracy, or at least a rifled choke tube, but not always with an attached wad design and the required accuracy standard in relation to your target size and distance.

[@JesterJocular]

Next time you use a ballistic dummy, put a few T-shirts on it to mimic how clothing might affect a given shot

[@atomicbill]

I love my ksg12 with a Howitzer70 muzzle brake. It reduces recoil by 70%. No bruises after 50 slugs and tiny soreness. I have 6 low recoil 00. Buckshot in the first tube and 11 federal shorty slugs in the other tube. Red dot.

[@will6334]

Took one look at the woox furniture and had to have it. Just installed on my shockwave. Got a crimson trace laser and original power sling.

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

I’m a small caliber rifle carbine guy myself (because of: accuracy, mag capacity, ability to add accessories, ammunition cost, speed of follow up shots, soft armor penetration, lighter weight if same length, and speed to load/reload) but for shotgun guys I do recommend the 2 3/4” #4 for home defense as the pellets have reduced over penetration compared to 00 or slug. BTW a quality 5.56 55 grain varmint tip is still better to avoid over penetration at close range.

[@johngayder9249]

Lest anyone get left with the wrong impression: bird shot is far more lethal than the opinion expressed in this video.

[@haroldhenderson2824]

Makes one INCREDIBLE mess, but yes. At these ranges, birdshot acts like a pre-fragmented bullet. Large birdshot, goose loads.

[@MK-ru9xp]

Heavy Birdshot at close range is devastating

[@quillanthrasher6846]

Agreed totally. This guy is completely against bird shot because it doesn't crush bone or pass all the way through gel. It's like he has no clue that within the gel area nerves arteries and veins exist. Even if the first shot doesn't stop them forever it gives you forever to decide if you wanna follow up with another or call 911 for the POS

[@davidjakiela9553]

At close range birdshot punches a hole as big as your fist in whatever you're shooting at. If you get hit at the belt line and survive you're still going to be pooping in a bag the rest of your life. Remember they will never be able to pick out all that shot. You will battle infections for months.

[@ClarenceCochran-ne7du]

Birdshot at close range can kill. During my career as an Trauma RN, I witnessed several deaths from 7 1/2 and 9 shot size inflicted wounds.

[@odinsfire1409]

Shot placement with the laser is impressive. Great vid mate.

[@LEELUNK-IS-A-HUNK]

TEST STARTS AT 5:06, THANK YOUR HUNK LATER

[@kirbykracklemusic]

With the laser saddle, are you using a separate rail on top and bolted on saddle on the left side, or is that all one rail/saddle piece? Are special screws needed for that to make sure they clear the threads down to the crimson trace laser saddle when attaching the extra top rail? Thank you!

[@oubliette862]

would you be willing to do a comparison between the different types of ballistic gel? there's archery blocks knife throwing gel the stuff for guns that spoils and has to be cold the clear stuff that doesn't spoil then the different densities. is there really any practical difference between them? there certainly is a cost difference.

[@charlescowan6121]

Great demo, thank you! I'm still bewildered about why I can own this weapon but I can't have a mad max side by side-by-side.

[@kingtrumpet123]

I like that idea, the stubby shotgun and mini rounds for home defense, or a truck gun.

[@AFreeThinkingDawg09]

Love my mossbergs! I run a regular 590A1 with 00 buck shot followed by some penetrator slugs for HD, and more shells on the side saddle. Full power loads aren’t very fun to shoot out of the shockwave, so I definitely enjoy having the stock. The size difference isnt that much so I say just stick with the regular shotty

[@dominiquegaming155]

I think I'll add that shotgun to my zombie apocalypse collection

[@gjhoward]

Save some money and get a regular Shockwave and a Defender Tactical adapter.

[@sterlingd1984]

​@@gjhoward are you a defender tactical adapter salesman? 😂 Some people would rather spend a little extra and not have to worry about putting in and taking out the adapter when going between shell sizes

[@gjhoward]

@@sterlingd1984 So two things; 1. I am not a DT salesman, I just like the product. 2. When you install the DT adapter, you don't have to remove it in order to go between shell sizes like you would with the OpSol adapter. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[@teazy1088]

This is the video I’ve been wanting to see for the last 6 months.

[@arapahoetactical7749]

Good work overall. I usually turn to Paul Harrell for these types of videos, but he doesn't take the mini shell or the Shockwave seriously. I've felt from the beginning that these could be very effective home defenders with the right ammo and the combination of the mini shell buck shot with the Shockwave platform is just about as good as you could ask for in a small home or apartment where over penetration could be an issue. I've also found that running a Weapon Mounted Light on the Shockwave platform is vital for target ID and also makes a wicked fast aiming aid after sundown. Much faster than the laser after dark.

[@bonjovi2757]

Get both. I have both on my 590s shockwave. Green laser and streamlight fore end. Loaded with 8, #4 buck mini shells is a formidable home defense tool.

[@Bacteriophagebs]

I use a laser with a dot-and-ring on my home shotgun. It has a light as a bonus, but it's way too bright in my opinion. Temporarily blinding myself at the same time I let an intruder know exactly where I am and give them a nice aiming point seems like a terrible idea. I saw an "expert" who was showing how to clear your house and his method was to flash his light on and off really fast every time he reached a corner, which is about the dumbest thing you can possibly do. Ruin your night vision, put afterimages in it, and let intruders know you're coming and where you are all at once!

[@bertkilborne6464]

The shockwave and #4 buck minis are a combo that are made for each other. It's a practical setup for home. The minis are simple to handload too - just get a roll crimper and you can use a nail and a dowell to remove and re-seat a fresh primer. In Cali the 14" barrel is verboten, but there's the 18.5" My Sig Romeo Red Dot needs to be sent back for warranty work because it stopped

[@markteaney8381]

Thanks for the light ideal just bought a shockwave.

[@bryanbrowning5746]

I don’t run lights on my firearms, because you have to point the weapon to use the light. If you were to hear a bump in the night, and use your weapon mounted light, you are automatically engaging your target, and if it’s not a foe(like a roommate, or family member), even if you don’t shoot them, it can be considered menacing. Mas Ayoob covers that subject on the Wilson Combat channel, and has strongly recommended against weapon lights for many years.

[@pinkysgarage4517]

Also, Opsol mini shell adapter for Mossbergs. Work great! Nice capacity increase.

[@SpyrosAdventures]

Pretty cool idea. Do cut shells next compared to their non cut counter parts

[@seanmtak7573]

Crazy results! Please shoot one of these torsos with green tip m855 Pmc m855 / imi m855 at least would be nice. I might be the only person that wants to see if it really sucks that much. It’s rumored that Pmc m855 fragments better than other m855 also.

[@BiggFinalBoss]

I love the wood furniture! Looks real nice.

[@markfrank5937]

I love the mini shells for home defense. Great video.

[@brandiwynter]

Those shockwave shotguns are fun range toys but choosing one for home defense would be a terrible idea unless you live in a phone booth. That high dollar wood stock version is definitely cool looking.

[@jpoeng]

Are you stupid? With a little bit of practice my TAC-13’s are handier than my longer guns in close quarters. I run it with a demonstrated concepts grip strap and high rise red dot.

[@ltx383]

Almost as terrible as not having one. Any firearm is a force multiplier over hands.

[@brandiwynter]

@@ltx383 You're missing the point. If you need a home defense weapon, and most should, the Shockwave is a terrible choice. Any reliable, inexpensive full stock shotgun is a far, far, far better choice if you want a shotgun for that purpose. Personally I think an AR is a better choice but others prefer shotguns. It's fine to have a Shockwave style shotgun but it shouldn't be your primary HD gun and should be purchased after you've purchased a good home defense gun.

[@ltx383]

@@brandiwynterCall of Duty has made everyone an expert on home defense. The point is would you rather take on an intruder with your bare fist or a shockwave? You have what you have not what the best choice is.

[@brandiwynter]

@@ltx383 my point exactly, it's better than a sharp stick but way worse than a shoulder mounted shotgun. If you're going to buy a gun for home defense, choose the best option possible. Choosing a Shockwave over an 870 or any host of similar shotguns is a very bad idea. By all means buy one as your second gun if you want but don't buy one as your first choice for defense because they are much, much better choices for that use. The shockwave is better than nothing but it's still a really bad choice for home defense so when videos make them seem otherwise it's worth mentioning that they are not. Oh and FYI, I've never played call of duty. I learned what I know as a police officer doing real building searches looking for real bad guys with real guns and in real life it's real scary. You don't want a hip fired short shotgun with poor accuracy and even worse ammo capacity when your life and the life of your family is in danger.

[@Chris-okf]

The whole point of home/ self defense is to stop the threat from harming you or your family. The use of a firearm in this instance is sometimes a split second reaction. Do you know where your family is at that exact moment you pull the trigger? Who’s outside, neighbors, whatever. You’re responsible for the final destination of that bullet/slug/pellets. You’re going to have a believable, accountable explanation for your actions to law enforcement/attorney, if and when that time ever comes if you’re claiming self-defense when using lethal force. I have a Mossberg Maverick at home loaded with the short buck shots specifically for this purpose because I feel it meets the criteria that I have explained above. Great video though, on what these shells do to the torso

[@robertcartledge8036]

How much different is the recoil between the shot and full-size shells?

[@stanbarrington]

Its a BIG difference!

[@jamesk0ua]

A significant difference. Of of course recoil is hard to quantify without instruments. A lot depends how well a firearm fits a persons frame.

[@mtman2]

Magnum steel waterfowl @ 15-1,700fps are a different critter killing using BB'sshot by Remington = 0uchie

[@chriss1150]

Very nice video! As you mentioned each shot except the 7.5 was lethal. However I have just a few of thoughts. During the course of the civil war men were killed by 36 cal. pistol lead ball rounds traveling at velocities of approx. 750 FPM. The shot placement is important and it doesn't have to over penetrate to stop/kill the threat. Quite a few American soldiers died from non over penetrating 9mm wounds during WWII. Let's not forget the bird shot, using #4 or #6 bird shot aimed at the shoulder ball joint or the hip (close range) will certainly stop anyone. It could even take the arm completely off. Stopping a threat doesn't always require a kill shot! Those just my thoughts and would choose a non lethal shot as my first choice.

[@larryjanson4011]

i would not say a non lethal. but more a less lethal. just saying as it is hair’s. a.22 ver .389 or a 9mm.

[@UncleJDCarp]

Howdy, really cool video and I appreciate the effort to realistically assess lethality of the 12ga minishell. One problem I see commonly with these kind of tests is - people aren't going to generally be unclothed when they pose a threat requiring deadly force self defense. Not saying that can never hapen, but it's going to be rare. Need to see this test with a ballistic torso wearing a t-shirt, under a flannel shirt, under a coat - or a t-shirt under a leather coat. Thick clothing or multiple layered clothing. THAT will provide much more realistic data. Thank you for the share, very cool stuff and keep it up.

[@jacka55six60]

Even with heavy clothing a close range hit with bird shot would be like taking a full swing of a sledge hammer to your chest.

[@user-fv2hk7tb3e]

Glad you mentioned the furniture { I forgot the name of the company....} I came across them a couple months ago - gorgeous and likely a very good feel.

[@anthonydecarlo9694]

All slugs for me! Stackin 8+1. Great home defense/ trekkin in the woods lil fire ball! I like the 590s, no adapter needed!

[@tommyapocalypse6096]

How are the different ammo types at penetrating clothing before entering the body? It's not like we might be shooting at nekkid zombies - especially in colder weather, right?

[@ltx383]

Won’t change much.

[@DirtyDovi]

7:08 I was Not expecting THAT! 🤣 In 2019, I snagged a KSG - for 'hunting season', and grabbed a bunch of Aguila 12G mini slugs.. I brought them and a few other 3" shells to my sportsman's club, and let some friends fire away.. We all agreed that these mini-shells where a LOT of fun! The target backer strongly disagreed.. Once a proud standing wooden framework - Now an obliterated shell of it's former self: Now: nothing but chunks and chips and sawdust. haha

[@jumpingjacks5558]

Just to be clear, birdshot at that close of range will be a devastating round to your attacker. Never underestimate any kind of shot in a shotgun shell.

[@greggood6824]

No one's saying it won't fuck you up, just saying its not a good option when way better rounds are available.

[@jumpingjacks5558]

I agree with you@@greggood6824

[@Elkabong53708]

As a 590 owner (first wave release) I was always curious about the Aguilla minishells for home defense use, and unaware of that Federal makes minishells too. I had to buy an adaptor to slip in in order to feed the minis, and yet to see a 590S being sold anywhere in my area. I love my 590, named it "Daddies little Monster". Thankfully never had to use it for its intended purpose...*knocks wood* But its there if needed.

[@jeffadams9807]

Save Money & Get A Remington 870 Express Magnum Pump OR U Can Get A Mossburg 940 Or 590...

[@Hatouken]

I have the Mossy 940 pro tactical and love it, seeing a red dot on that shockwave is really odd.

[@jonathandantonio649]

Modern era Remington's quality is garbage. The 870 is the worst gun I've ever owned, and was glad to sell it. I'll take a 590/500 or a Maverick 88 any day.

[@41KeplerB]

New sub ricochets was the first video I watched that was cool. That was real cool. I wonder if you can try to make your own armor that could bounce a bullet off a chest

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

On your first shot on the torso, the laser totally told on you. You pulled the shot left. Your laser point moved to the left just before firing.

[@SniperUSMC]

Nice video, thanks for the video. Center mass the mini shells would stop anyone, take out lung and no more threat. Plus, because the mini doesn't come out back I think it's safer to use, wouldn't have to worry about going into neighbors house. I'd be happy with the mini shells, since you can get three more shots. I'd have to check and see if the Mossberg 590 M or S can accept magazine. Also need to check in how fast it can be reloaded if no magazine available.

[@budgetguncinema7777]

8:00 still has more brain function than Joe Biden. Probably.

[@JSB1729]

Bruh 💀💀

[@castanedadennis8750]

😂😂😂😂

[@peterpadelsky86]

Man that's one of the most beautiful firearms I've ever seen! Awesome video.

[@Inconvenient_NPC]

5:05 - Thank me later

[@lvalle1994]

It's later, thanks 🤙

[@Inconvenient_NPC]

@lvalle1994 - You're welcome!

[@mattmcgraw7281]

What is the pointed accessory on the shell tube tip?

[@mrbmore410]

I use Aguila 12ga mini in my KSG.....LOVE IT!!

[@davetrevino1361]

Perfect timing on this review. Have a 500 cruiser I'm refurbing and have the little rubber insert to cycle the mini's. Long mag tube so longer gun but a ton of rounds. Think I'd load up the #4 (really would like a 00 option, but would have to be just a few pellets). Just rack fast 'cause one will almost certainly do the job 2 (if needed) would finish anyone determined enough to try to shake of the first. That said I'm thinking home defense, put me outside my home those slugs start to look awesome.

[@williamreffett5862]

It's amazing. It's an amazing shotgun and the fact that you can Hip fire it

[@jeffadams9807]

I Have The New 590-S On Order, It Has An 18.5 Inch Barrel On It & I Plan On Putting The STREAMLIGHT TL-RACKER, 1000 Lumen Light On It & The TACTALOAD FAST 5 Butt Stock, For 5 Extra Rds... My Ammo Choice Will Be The FEDERAL FLIGHT CONTROL, 00-Buck, 9 Pellet Load...

[@dilon491]

@ 9:19 couldnt help but notice the slug has quite a lot of spin.. How. is the slug a foster rifled slug or?..

[@RayEvangelista70]

Time to go bye bye, that's hilarious! Great video!

[@boykinlp]

Thanks for the test. I wondered how the mini-shells would work.

[@Joe___R]

For future reference, your liver is on your right side just under the rib cage.

[@survidmt]

About 8:20 serious Terminator vibes, don't recall, was it T-2?

[@communityprepper6153]

Darn....having every firearm I'll ever "need", I'm onto novelty guns that I "want". I now want the Shockwave....thank you for contributing to my hobby-habit.

[@bobjohnson1633]

I hold my shockwave ejection port up. Mini shells always cycle, and it's so natural to tilt it when cocking with that raptor grip

[@jamestboehm6450]

I personally prefer Federal flite control OO buck. Saw great results in the military and not often was a follow up round needed.

[@ckbcustomshop]

Are you using the OpSol adapter for the mini shells?

[@donmarsh912]

....also of note a company from Texas Opsec makes a block that goes in the action that makes them feed flawlessly though the 590

[@britishbulldog8966]

I have done extensive shooting with the Aguila Mini Shells and while they are reliable and a decent load, I’ve noticed a lot of unburned powder both in my barrel and on the bench after shooting them. I’ve shot them from a short barrel and up to a 24” barrel and it doesn’t seem to make a difference…the Federal seems cleaner to me, but I’m a sample of one. Cheers.

[@NOBODY-kh4pt]

This was a great video

[@Twinkie_McCream]

First time here… that wood furniture takes the aesthetics to a whole new level

[@Cherry_Peach_Pie]

9:00 That shot turned bro into an owl 😂