How Lie Angle Affects Shot Shape

[@rickyvaughn2868]

You guys put out the most informative golf videos of them all. Keep em coming

[@2ndswing]

Thank you, Ricky!

[@davetravis7245]

Thanks for this video, Just had bought new fitted clubsl. I used Standard since I started years back, they took off -025 in length, and made them 2* upright with standard loft. shaft UST RECOAIL ESX 460 MUZONO irons. I heard what you said about going left with upright, well mine now all go right lol. So I imagine after 3 months of trying, I best go back and have them look it over because now I cannot draw or fade, and when I do draw by towing it in , it is not a controlled draw. Appreciate the video!

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching!!!

[@tat-is4of]

Great video. Very informative

[@2ndswing]

Thanks tat 22020!

[@danielwendt7752]

Shaft flex can play a substantial role in the lie angle at impact as well. A player playing a shaft that is too weak or strong will have variable reactions.

[@MarioGonzalez-zo8lc]

Gentlemen, great info; could lie angles conceivably vary within a set of clubs?

[@stove.d]

Every club has a unique lie angle. If you are fitted, say, 2° upright, then you would bend each club 2 degrees upward from the ground. Each club will still have a unique angle though due to the differing length of each club.

[@robbygross3672]

Grooved ball is brilliant and I appreciate you guys just going extreme with exaggerated angle differences to demonstrate how lie angle *generally* effects shots

[@2ndswing]

Grooved ball or even drawing a sharpie line on the golf ball - Thomas

[@mustangs07083]

See when I went for my fitting I was hooking a lot. I sliced a couple times but mainly hooks. I was hitting horrible, I struggled to hit straight which I normally can least half the time.. Yet I was fitted for a 2 upright, so now I'm wondering if I was fitted wrong. The guy said my club face was closed which was causing it to go right. He got rid of the really bad shots I took to help fit me for a 2 upright.....but funny thing is at a demo day at the range I was hitting a lot better that day and the guy watching me just watched me hit and fit me for 2 flat. One had the tracking system and the demo day he didn't. So curious if I'm a 2 flat or 2 upright. Trust the day I was hitting better without a trackman system or trust the day where I was hitting horrible with a trackman system. Than again if I always hit like I did on the demo day, I wouldn't be a high handicap

[@bullrambler]

Thanks for the video on lie angles. It would have been good to see Upright 2* and Flat 2*. As the landing areas for the extreme upright lie and extreme flat lie demonstrated your goal - but it not to often that someone would be given extreme lies when gettting club fit. And to follow-up with the 2* up and 2* down. Then show 1* up and 1* down. And show how you verify the correct lie for a given fitting session.

[@denaeraewyn]

Would a more upright lie angle promote a more centered strike and vise versa?

[@amigopheasantkiller]

I understand that 1 degree equals about 5 to 7 yards, but I have a question....is that assuming straight pull or push? Wouldn't the lie angle also impart side spin making that 5 to 7 yards even more severe possibly?

[@jameswconforti4248]

So, if my strikes tend to lean toward the toe, would I need an upright or flat to correct? Fitter noted +2 upright. Ty

[@BuffaloNickel9]

Correct, maybe 1 degree up is Better I'd have to look

[@anthonygovantes2456]

A lie board raises the striking surface by a 1/4". That 1/4" will give skewed results usually having inexperienced fitters recommend a lie angle that's too flat. I agree that Ping provides the best static fit with irons; dynamic fittings matter, but it's good to have a solid starting point.

[@thomascampbellgolf]

Thanks Anthony. I agree end of the day pay attention to where the ball makes contact on the club face and ball flight. Static measurements are great but you have to pay attention to the dynamic lie at impact as every golf swing is different.

[@samrad1745]

I have a neutral lie angle,, That's flat I guess,, That's what I asked for when buying,, But I noticed I'm drawing to much in 60% of shots,, Does that mean I should be using a 1-2 negative Lie angle to straighten out the shots??

[@francophillips1552]

Im in the same boat and I want to get my clubs flattened out. I think that will fix it.

[@sovietsquidward3575]

Draws can be exaggerated by 3 things, club path (swinging in to out too much), closed face, or toe strikes. If it is the club path or closed face then that shouldn’t have really anything to do with the lie angle. If they are toe strikes then I would look into the lie angle.

[@ryanjohnsonku]

I recently got fitted and the results suggest that I could move it 2 degrees more upright. But I also play a slight draw. I'd be worried that correction might exacerbate the flight. Or do you think it would actually improve my game?

[@jameswconforti4248]

Same

[@banditbaker1675]

I always panic when I see a fitter with a lie board, a line on the Ball and face tape is much more accurate. I would advise golfers never to assume that they are always a particular lie set up. I have always previously played 2degUp, but in a fitting for new Irons last year the fitter recommended that I play 1degFlat. I was amazed with the improvement in the consistency of my strike and ball flight!

[@anthonygovantes2456]

Agreed. A lie board raises the striking surface by a 1/4". That 1/4" will give skewed results usually having inexperienced fitters recommend a lie angle that's too flat.

[@thomascampbellgolf]

Thanks for the comments guys. Yes I do not like to use a lie board in fittings, dispersion, shot shape / ball flight, and contact is way more important. It is a way to show the contact of the sole if a club is too far upright or flat but there are better options such as ball and face tape.

[@banditbaker1675]

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[@hannesreinhardt1399]

I find divot board even better - it shows correct lie angle AND correct impact. I once was fitted 3 up half inch longer, struggled, got fitted somewhere else standard lenght and lie, didn't quite find a hang for that too and now i play 2,5 up and half inch short and haven't ever played better. Pretty ouside "the box" but it works. Funny, right? Then again i like rather high hands at address, and upright clubs that are a tad shorter make it much more natural for me. But no fitter ever considered.

[@SvingitGolf]

My T100S is 2* flat and they look very flat behind the ball. And my hands get upright, and at impact my hands get slightly higher. But shot pattern is more like the purple circle. Ball goes left. Is that common that ball goes left when club head is flat?

[@BuffaloNickel9]

No

[@whitedime]

could be a closed clubface or your body shutting down early on rotation and hands and arms blowing through - to the left

[@kourt2469]

Kinda shocked the upright still went the same distance as the standard. I was expecting the long left shot from too upright.

[@bradpryer17]

So upright will help those that hit natural fades

[@parkerfothergill9090]

I don’t think I’d trust that. It won’t translate to woods or wedges, as they shouldn’t impact the ground. I’d only try it if my irons were the only thing I struggled with.

[@CorekBleedingHollow]

A shallower angle will promote a draw. A steeper angle will promote a fade.

[@richie8240]

A lie-board? Still. Hitting a ball on a lie-board introduces error to the sample. If a fitter says hit some balls off a lie-board - I would say thanks and leave.

[@ElizabethJoyce-o2v]

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