How Limbic System Therapy Can Help Resolve Trauma

[@rebekahbrown4052]

I finally found a therapist to treat my CPTSD who knew what he was doing using this theory. It has saved my life. This newer understanding should be required training. It has done a miracle in my life and I lost decades with other therapies that did nothing. See my answer below

[@mindovermovement6401]

Hi please share your experience with therapy what therapy u took regarding limbic system

[@reg8297]

What's it called

[@harneetsingh3726]

What's it called

[@kimberleypintaro2221]

Please share what kind of therapy? What kind do we search for?

[@rebekahbrown4052]

Answering Kim. It forward facing trauma therapy. Eric gentry with Arizona trauma institute. You don’t have to live in torment

[@creativesolutionstoart]

I have learned that if you’ve had experiences that are traumatic regarding your body, physical and sexual where people took advantage, and you need to have physical experiences where the body is treated with respect and gently touched or loved in a nonthreatening way. Massage and chiropractic have been very helpful to me for this

[@alexandrugheorghe5610]

Very useful. Thanks for sharing.

[@KentheRolfer]

Kind, Movement based Rolfing Structural Integration, where Peter Levine got started, is the big next step in ANS reintegration

[@pianissimo369]

My chiropractic doesn't touch my body gently and with love LoL

[@raphaellavelasquez8144]

When I subscribed to this channel I didnt realize it was for therapists. I use this channel for self help. I would have to completely rewire my brain to even consider trusting anyone working in the mental health system again.

[@JoAnneLakefield]

That is my experience too. So I check out this type of channels too

[@lanigallimore5637]

I've had similar re-traumatizing experiences at the hands of alleged mental health professionals, which have severely affected my ability to trust.

[@elaineremains]

word, everytime i see a therapist i leave about a hundred times worse

[@malemaline]

I've been trying therapy for ten years now. I think I may have found a good one bu not sure because she started off with tapping to deal with my trauma but knows EMDR as well so I hope it'll work.

[@joshuah8401]

I experienced trauma regularly as a child of two narcissistic parents and an older narcissistic brother. At 37 I’m still working out all the ways that those early experiences continue to affect my life. That said, at 21 I decided to leave all the toxic people in my life behind and left to thruhike the Appalachian Trail. This experience of venturing out on my own into the wilderness allowed me to shed some of the darkness was dominating my psyche and I found new meaning in my life. I will forever cherish this experience and the new path it helped me carve out for myself. While I understand an experience like this isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, I highly recommend it to anyone that may be experiencing mental health trauma.

[@robynhope219]

Are u Bessel’s patient?

[@sidraali5674]

I had social anxiety since my childhood. I visited hundreds of psychiatrists and psychologists but they didnot treat my problem. I got a job of lecturer and I had to teach batch of 25 students. And the batches kept on changing. There was the moment when my experienced change and so did my self image.

[@Vyjayanthi41]

One of my patients , a Karate black belt , developed dissociative amnesia after interpersonal trauma that was mostly verbal. So , I gave her scripts to have difficult conversations with those whom she loved. And I became nicer & more loving each time she asserted verbally. Had that unpleasant confrontation. She recovered. Mind also keeps the scores. Not just the body !

[@le_th_]

I suspect the majority of clinicians aren't properly educated on how to effectively treat trauma. Many still seem to think CBT is the best treatment, when it actually retraumatizes the person further by making them talk about it (which only causes the brain to re-experience the trauma). Sadly, that was the recommendation to me from a neuropsychiatrist (someone one would think would understand how trauma affects the brain?) back in 2015. Few therapists are qualified to effectively perform EMDR, sadly. It also seems to be most effective for singularly traumatic incidents, like a mugging or car accident. For ongoing/multiple traumas, like war, child abuse, repeated childhood rape/molestation by a family member, and/or intimate partner abuse/violence, EMDR is not often the most effective treatment. Apparently, yoga is a more effective treatment for resolving multiple traumatic experiences, although EMDR can work for a minority of people who've experienced multiple, horrific traumas. Then some clinicians (Bessel van der Kolk, MD) are using MDMA, in a clinical setting, for police officers, fire fighters and first responders to alleviate their multiple traumatic experiences.

[@vg7083]

le th Clinicians can do only what they are trained to do and what is within their scope of practice. You don’t go to an OB/GYN when you have an ear ache. Although both are MDs. The same with mental health professionals

[@saetae9208]

It depends, cant criticize the field but understand that they didn't create you so dont know all what's needed to fix you

[@JoAnneLakefield]

That's what I like about Van Der Kolk's theory . He mentions it in the Body Keeps The Score: people with childhood trauma's / attachment disorders often do not get better from CBT. It may even get worse. i know... I've stopped those therapies several times. I am now working with soemone specialized in children raised in dysfunctional families

[@djdebssuperlawyersjusticeu9855]

Agree with you

[@charliet7124]

@@alegriart Check out crappy childhood fairy. she helps

[@jenniferfinlayson8148]

I have always felt vulnerable to abuse in a global sense and this has been reflected in the neglect of my body and health. These ideas in the video have been a saving grace. Finally, I can see self-care can be liberating. I don't need to ruminate, my body can take the lead in healing, perhaps I really can make progress in therapy after 25 years. thankyou! I feel able to offer compassion and respect to my self and others without overwhelming fear for my survival. Thanks for the hope!

[@rainbowbgood]

If you need an exercise but find some too strenuous, rebounding with a mini trampoline at home can be very beneficial. Then you build better muscles and lymphtaic/immune system and can do more.

[@phil2bfree]

I am using the Dynamic Neural Retraining System (DNRS) developed by Annie Hopper for the severe depression & chronic debilitating fatigue that I have suffered for many, many decades. DNRS is primarily used to treat many of the "mystery" illnesses like MCS, fibromyalgia, CFS, chronic pain, etc. but all of these are seen to be limbic system impairments from the perspective of DNRS. Results have been very dramatic for many people who have done DNRS, but I am just beginning the training, which usually involves 1 hour of training daily for 6 months. So time will tell. I hope this works since I can't afford any kind of psychotherapy. BTW, I have no financial connection to DNRS.

[@ahoymate5059]

phil2bfree Hi. How is DNRS working for you now that it’s been a few months?

[@MotanulFritz2008]

How is DNRS working for you?

[@mscactusgirl]

Hi Phil2bfree, Can you please let us know how you went with the DNRS. Its over $400 AU and when I first heard about it, it was like hearing someone describe my life for the last 13 years. I would love to try it. Thoughts on how you went with it please.

[@ShaySails]

I find it highly interesting that difficult physical challenges can help rewire the traumatized brain. Since I was a child I have been an avid sailor. I have experienced extreme conditions on long voyages. For instance being on watch alone for 5 hours in the middle of the night, or clinging to a hatch cover in rain and spray during my entire 3-hour watch out on rough seas. Not to mention the hard work and environmental fatigue. I've often wondered how in the world I survived not only they heinous trauma, but managed to somehow function in the world without having received help until I was in my late 30s. I wonder if somehow I knew that sailing would help save me. I often said that it was the thing that kept me from going crazy.

[@ruthgailey3404]

I have noticed that a lot of people reach out for help with earlier trauma when they are in their late thirties, i wonder why this is?

[@bethanyrose8956]

I didn't discover my trauma from 15-19 years of age until i was around 21/22 when i started to remember. I had dissociated, i remembered nothing of trauma until then (with a few exceptions where i once told the police of a rape, but even then, i was dissociated while i did it, i felt out of my body and didn't remember it for long after). I was with a new partner who made me feel safe and many hours away from the abuser. While i had contact with the abuser, i had no memory of abuse.

[@gazellerichardson9135]

@@ruthgailey3404 From my experience it is common to suppress memories, consciously or not. Sometimes it seems not remembering is a kind of protection our minds do. Other times there is so much stigma, shame, and pain it seems the memories get pushed down and buried. But eventually they will surface, to be dealt with. Luckily it has gotten easier for those victimized due to Psychology and general education of the public. But it is still very difficult to get a handle on some traumas people suffer. PTSD lasts a lifetime, as new triggers appear throughout one's life. But hopefully one learns to recognize, understand, and cope with them. Knowledge of the condition is the key, IMO. Blessings.

[@le_th_]

@@gazellerichardson9135 Yes, dissociating is a protective mechanism the brain uses when you are too young to understand, to too frightened to cope with the reality you are enduring. Some people say it's a bad thing, but it quite literally protects your brain for being overwhelmed and spiraling into madness.

[@le_th_]

Surely as a child, the adults with you didn't leave you alone on a 5 hour watch overnight or in 3 hours clinging to a hatch cover rough seas? That makes sailing sound like an absolute HORROR story for an adult. Since you had to endure those life-threatening experiences, hopefully, you were an adult. Otherwise, the adults around you need to be shot because they're not fit to walk the planet after intentionally traumatizing a vulnerable, physically weak child like that.

[@Skatamska]

I’ve had a subarachnoid brain haemorrhage 9 years ago and since that happened the limbic system is hijacking the cortex. Being an introvert doesn’t help my recovery either. Bessel van der Kolk’s book The body keeps the score resonated with me, because I feel I have to treat my body. Rehabilitation centers kept sending me to a psychologist, but talking doesn’t get me out of hyperarousal. When someone asks me the question “Is that true?, I know I have to respond no, but it doesn’t feel that way. I’m going to give meditation a try. I also didn’t grow up feeling safe and confident and now I realise how awful I’ve been feeling my entire life. This has impacted study, work and relationships. I’ve always felt not good enough and hope that this stroke is going to be a transformation to a better life for me.

[@dnllmaurer1]

In my experience meditation does help. Do it daily. Add physical body work, like yoga. The streching assists your body to reinforce what your mind believes as the new paradigm. Blessings!

[@marinaom8641]

Tamara P best luck for you! Hope it works

[@JoAnneLakefield]

Physical work did not work for me, for my limbic issues made my muscles tight. Exercise made me feel worse. I needed techniques to release fascia and pinched nerves. Like in Stanley Rosenberg's Accessing the Healing Power of the Vagus Nerve

[@jenniferbradshaw8848]

Sometime meditation is too activating, your brain can perceive it as threat. If you find you get jittery think of yoga or tai chi, these more active forms work to get sympathetic and parasympathetic into balance. The agitation and inability to focus in meditation can lead to various forms of non self love to try to get your mind to quieten. I got nowhere really over a 20 year period.

[@Skatamska]

Jennifer Bradshaw I’m doing yoga nidra now twice a day for months. I need someone to talk me through it, otherwise I’m bored out of my mind. I added breathwork to it a few times a day and try to stop thinking so much. The overthinking part is the most difficult, because as long as I’ve got painful spasms and sleep horribly, I try to think of a solution. While the solution is to let go.

[@dariomargeli]

Very well edited video. The presenter and Bessel give a clear example. I would like to see more clear examples. Thanks

[@Robin1444Robin1444]

Van Der Kolk is always a genius and says things in a simple way. My method is the Emotional Freedom Techniques, aka TApping that shifts the way Trauma is stored and may quiet the polyvagal system too of feeling unsafe. Lecture nationally on this and have a book too, but I am always thrilled to hear Van Dek Kolk's thoughts. Thanks!

[@JoanneJaworski]

Hi Robin, I too, use EFT Tapping for the same reason with my clients! When a coach/practitioner knows how to use it for trauma, it works wonders!

[@johnbasilice7408]

Hello. By tapping do you mean bilateral stimulation? Arms crossed over the midline and tapping shoulders?

[@JoanneJaworski]

@@johnbasilice7408 EFT is a version of acupuncture so it works on the Meridian Energy system but without the needles (acupressure).It can not only release the unwanted patterns and emotions, but also program IN what is desired. You check out a sample at this link if you are curious. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWTRZJSEo6-fhck

[@hudsonneuro7796]

I have been a trauma psychotherapist for decades and I was the first person to sponsor Gary Craig to do his EFT training outside of his native California in 1997. EFT is very weak soup as a trauma treatment...sorry. It has value as a self soothing technique to help take the edge off of negative dysphoric emotional responses associated , but it is not a stand alone therapy for PTSD. Also, for the record, there is mounting evidence the underlying traumatic "charge" and deepest memory of the trauma is stored in the Basal Ganglia and the Cerebellum, not the Hippocampus. Hope this helps.

[@zsie1]

@@hudsonneuro7796 True trauma therapy hasn't existed for many decades, and I should hope that any therapy introduced in 1997 would be improved and updated over time, based upon research and experience. They did say that it has to be introduced by a well-trained therapist, and I would expect that like with all therapies, there are clients who do benefit from EFT.

[@lilithjesus7718]

Excellent. How will I use this? I have been in acute exacerbation of PTSD which has become CPTSD for the last 2 years. The symptom I'm addressing in this comment is general anxiety 24/7 interspersed with panic attacks. Fear of relaxing & being still. The way I will use the knowledge in this video is I will incorporate more Yin yoga stretching . These are 3-8 minute long postures done at 60% of capacity with focus on breathing and maximum relaxing . Also I will apply this as being more motivation to practice returning the mind to alert relaxed presence in daily silent meditation. Thank you 🙏 for sharing this knowledge.

[@scottash351]

How has this routine been working for you? I'm hoping you can inspire me to do more yoga and breathing 🙏

[@StressRUs]

The Limbic System is the survival brain. Questions? PTSD lives here, but cognitive behavioral therapies do not penetrate. The "protection and care" of a therapeutic environment can relax the "ego-defenses" that trauma sets in place and allow the defensive PTSD symptoms to dissipate. I know, because I've lived through it and am anxiety/alcohol/drug free thanks to the "protection and care" I experienced in 12-step group sessions, which allowed me to finally feel/be safe enough to experience the deeply buried traumatic material and process it without the formerly attached toxic shame. We are, after all, only as sick as our secrets. Good Luck! Stress R Us

[@johnmacgregor1914]

A good insight, thanks. Van der Kolk is always great value.

[@apove1814]

Yes!!

[@ArcticJulius]

Thanks for sharing this. I am in a process combining Levine`s steps to recovery, new neurobilology based theory of trauma and dissosiation, and qigong. Exciting thimes:)

[@jenniferbradshaw8848]

Me too. Plus some polyvagal stuff. Self designed courses. Need a fair amount of knowledge to design them though. But empowering

[@gazellerichardson9135]

Agree. I have issues with the theory that one who has been victimized moves from Victim to Survivor, and the job is done. Some how they need to move on to the next point of feeling empowered. JMO.

[@debralucas2224]

✍try to one day feel empowered✍

[@pippakramou3420]

Yes. I've done that. And then gone back and repeated the process. It is not as linear as victim->survivor. It is more like a loop that is inescapable.

[@ingridlandberg8662]

@@pippakramou3420 Loop? OK. I believe it is much more complex. For me it is more like kudzu.

[@zsie1]

@Gazelle Richardson That's what this is all about. And with trauma, the "job" will never be "done," because one cannot predict when a future trigger will occur. That empowerment will allow the resilience to assist in successfully managing those triggers when they occur.

[@javiotero8438]

Prescribing mind-body interventions such as Yoga for example, as it´s one tried and tested way of experientially stretching "what´s possible" (breathwork, meditation, martial and contemplative arts...even incorporating the use of transformative technology products are but some other examples)

[@robhasenwinkle]

Hey what exactly are contemplative arts? And what exactly are transformative technology products ?

[@gazellerichardson9135]

I was introduced to Bioenergetics in the late 70's. I don't here much about it now, but it was very helpful.

[@gazellerichardson9135]

@@robhasenwinkle Great Question! Also wondering.

[@dnllmaurer1]

@@gazellerichardson9135 I saw a demonstration of a virtual reality program that is designed to help overcome fear. Don't recall the name of it. Two Italian men had it on America's Got Talent or BGT & asked Howie Mandel to be the subject. Hopefully programs like that will be available soon. It seemed very promising.

[@Rene-uz3eb]

In retrospect, the basic training and martial arts did help, but it didn't make the trauma go away which I only became conscious of recently. I think you do have to work things out through thoughts. If you don't find/recall the patterns that kept you stuck, then how can you heal. You don't just forget unconsciously held beliefs.

[@helennagl6004]

Thank you for sharing your profound knowledge. Helen from Johannesburg South Africa.

[@Bellatrix28618]

People with adrenal fatigue are not able to tolerate strenuous physical exercise.

[@scottash351]

I'm guessing you should heal the adrenal issue first.

[@robynhope219]

I had adrenal fatigue since 2017...aka HPA axis dysregulation. It is brutal...and no, I cannot do anything strenuous. I am lucky I can get up every day.​@@scottash351

[@robynhope219]

Do u have adrenal fatigue...if yes, are u better?

[@awakengenius7724]

Much gratitude for your "Limbic System Therapy" video. Awaken Genius uses this approach in education. We would love to have a discussion with Dr Bessel regarding this!

[@TheHappyNisha]

Thank you for these insights. I wholeheartedly advocate the use of limbs for healing too. I’m a Transpersonal Arts Therapist and someone with a working life biography full of Trauma. I hope to use these ideas by continuing to learn stone carving by hand and moving red earth clay around to create forms, roller skating in the park, frisbee playing with friends, indoor bouldering, and potentially swimming in the local pool. If these don’t work, I’ll learn some Krav Magar, and take myself off on a Vision Quest in Nature.

[@amandaserena2007]

Nisha Halai I'm not sure you understand.

[@sumeetasingh8267]

😢

[@FM24A]

I think more clients are watching this video than therapists. I suggest that NICAMB develop videos for self-therapy.

[@malemaline]

Yup because many therapists are sub par in treating complex PTSD.

[@alanpowell8612]

I believe that Psychodrama is one way to engage the limbic system and transform traumatic behaviour. I speak from experience.

[@zeroinsecurities9971]

Alan Powell how did it help you? What happened?

[@alanpowell8612]

a multidimensional approach helps with the re experiencing of feelings (not the actual recalling of the event) and rewiring the response to those feelings. Bessel touches on it if you read/see enough of him.

[@scifiaudious2]

Alan Powell thought it said he touches on you-😂 Sounds like an interactive type of thing

[@rainbowbgood]

Ya, I found myself a narcissist so I could hack myself some psycho drama.. lol. Cathartic but not ideal.

[@morganalexis6147]

Hii! I read your comment about this type of therapy. I'm really interested in your experiences with it if your comfortable sharing!

[@malemaline]

Do you guys have info on PNES? Body shaking and movements from trauma.

[@tanhue1265]

interesting, i also found my way into a very physical demanding job, as a way to emotionally heal. it forced me out of the intense emotional loops that I couldn't escape.

[@Overarainbow-rr1ly]

This makes so much sense! Thank you for sharing the information.

[@johadler7950]

I would like further information as this just seems to touch the tip of the ice berg. Not sure where to get additional information. Please advise.

[@nicabm]

We have lots of free content available on our blog, which can be found on our website at www.nicabm.com. You can search by key word to find content on the topic of the limbic system or whatever else interests you. We also have several courses on the topic available for puchase, also on that website. If you are looking for something by Dr. Van der Kolk, he has published several books as well!

[@dsheppard4]

I think using a prescription to act "as if" will be helpful; particularly with patients that have learned helplessness - as Bissel pointed out. I like to ask clients to act, "as if" they were competent or able to complete desired tasks. Physically engaging in an 'act' of paying bills or exercising could elicite change in how the body has previously been disposed. Is this in alignment with methods discussed?

[@bethanyrose8956]

Part of my dissociation from trauma was developing many different times of eating disorders at different times and exercise disorders. One reason i believe was that it made me feel less helpless, more powerful etc but although i believe it is something that saved me when i wasn't mentally strong enough to deal with the trauma and showed me what i could overcome as i've healed the eating disorders, i also believe that it would go back and forth between a "way of feeling strong" and "a way of self mutilation". This makes me believe that my trauma mind and healthy mind perhaps separated and were triggered into being with daily life situations. I made my healthiest choices when triggered with healthy environments, i was triggered to make trauma mind choices when in unhealthy environments which would trigger emotional trauma memory (not the physical memories, just the feelings).

[@sheilasydneynotyerbizniz2933]

Na

[@sheilasydneynotyerbizniz2933]

Nancyray read again: she's not advising a prescription for drugs, but for the action of 'fake it untill you make it" attitude. Something that has been proven to work since emotions and cognitions steer each other both ways.

[@zsie1]

@@sheilasydneynotyerbizniz2933 I think you're mistaken. I have CPTSD, and "fake it til you make it," does nothing for me, except to make me feel invalidated. That phrase minimizes the degree to which anxiety, fear, and depression can paralyze me at times. I do not believe that limbic system therapy is a "fake it til you make it therapy." It involves actually building emotional strength and confidence in the midst of physical activities; there's nothing fake in that.

[@sheilasydneynotyerbizniz2933]

@@zsie1 It might not work for you, however it does in many cases.

[@stephaniekirke7231]

Have i understood that the PHYSical body testing experience, also engages the emotional, psychological elements of development, no matter how old/young the person is at the time....?

[@juddotto3660]

I intend to tell all my clients to sing up for warrior and spartan races

[@geraldbrown8711]

Does brainspotting/EMDR therapy work in this way to address and heal trauma?

[@phelanisserelaford5426]

Where would I find this type of help in my area Petersburg, Virginia

[@fndngnvrlnd]

All pain is past pain. If you relive the past pain you are free.

[@TommyCartesian]

My good pal Frederick had a traumatic event with a psychopathic women that really effected his limbic system. I am attempting to help him build his confidence back and lose the fear, however it’s hard with that psychopath still out there triggering him. How can one get deep experience in a event that contradicts the traumatic state of the limbic system without involving the psychopathic women ? My friend forgave her and let her get away with it, however it haunts him everyday and Frederick does anything to stop the haunting thought patterns. (Drinking, drugs, and other pleasures)

[@cinnabar71]

I’m a trainee art psychotherapist. I have above average IQ but struggle to learn due to developmental trauma and subsequent traumas (takes me twice as long to embed learning). Can limbic therapy really repair my PFC/neural connections and get my learning level in line with my intelligence level? An example is I have to read a book 2/3 times before I retain the information. Many thanks.

[@nesseagle]

Try lion's mane mushrooms. Legal and helpful in neuro genesis of the brain

[@Paid2Win]

Yeah, was an apprentice machinist.. With your problem. Needless to say I no longer am an apprentice

[@محمدرضاخسروجردی-ص4ح]

hi dear co worker.i'm psychodynamic psychotherapist(ISTDP) in iran & i've experienced trauma therapy in 20 minute session with a twenty one years girl who exprienced rape with old stepfather in chilhood and 5 years.she has good mood at the moment

[@jaredackerman2920]

Is there a website or channel that describes what all of the different modalities are used for and which ones may or may not be more effective based on someones past trauma experiences?

[@nicabm]

Hi Jared! You might find more detailed information on limbic system therapy with our course on How to Work with the Limbic System to Reverse the Physiological Imprint of Trauma. Here is our website with more details: www.nicabm.com/program/limbic-system/?itl=store

[@B3l0v3d05]

So how do I find limbic system therapy?

[@nicabm]

Unfortunately, we do not offer referrals, nor do we release any information about the practitioners who’ve participated in any of our trainings. I can, however, recommend that you check out this database through Psychology Today. Through this site, you’re able to search for therapists and support groups based on location, and filter through the results based on a variety of factors - specialties, approaches, and methods. Alternatively, I would also recommend that you review some of our blog posts or free materials and reach out to our community. Many times, both practitioners and patients will comment on our materials, which may help you with what you are looking for.

[@kristine6996]

Dr. Vodder Lymfatic drainage massage.

[@klattalexis]

I took a Martial Arts class @ night school but was afraid to use it in case I really hurt somebody. What's going on there???

[@cedarpictureandsound]

If I may without knowing you. I feel the same. Overly compassionate because of abuse. Some lashout in anger and some are overly compassionate. I rationalized and learned to self defend. Recently a drunken fellow wanted to drag me on the dance floor. Without thought, I twisted out of his grasp and pointed my finger in his chest and hollered NO! He was promptly escorted out by the bouncers. People clapped because he was doing this to others. I felt wonderful because I regained my power and personal space. Prepare for worst case scenario, but life moving forward is usually not worst case. It helped me rewire that feeling of helplessness.

[@RobertoNeumann]

@@cedarpictureandsound "pointed my finger in his chest and hollered NO! " I like your response there is so much meaning in it

[@rainbowbgood]

I didn't like that part either. Did Tai chi and felt better. I got tested too when a cop got violent with me for jaywalking. I maneuvered very gently out of every one of his attempts at holds. It was a reflex. And he was twice my size at least. It's powerful like water.

[@shovelhead4558]

We all get thoughts thats natural only use in self defence go with the flow your over thinking its not just for fighting its universal

[@kevinlewis473]

6 years in survival mode trauma of the limbic system no natraul sleep for that how do I train the limbic system to get out of that

[@megangardner2766]

Look up ANS rewire

[@siryoucantdothat9743]

He didnt say something “ physical “ but that is the words of the journalist… he meant emotional experiences

[@reg8297]

What u mean wired to respond ive lived in severe terror from my mother's abuse and rest of my shit relationships caysed fear within me also how can u change feeling that when it's totally normal to feel it in first place causs your trying to feel safe and know your not Do u mean if u normally feel fear in relationships that are abuse but u get chance to exp loving relationship then you'll feel different not full of fear

[@barbarabrennan1753]

My life is a complicated mess. I work on myself in various ways. Complex trauma issues. Dysfunctional men cling to me. As a creative, I have noone that has honored that. I had to push people out of my way using all my energy. Now Im too tired to do anything that I used to love doing. Wanted to return to sketching but I know my idea would be ripped off. If I left it out. One time I tried keeping a mantra up. SKETCH SKETCH. THEY used that precise thiing un some ad. Very brazen in their use of my photo images as well.

[@barbarabrennan1753]

They have hung on every word Ive said like they're panning for gold and in the process I get traumatized. No collaborations just out and out thievery.

[@nadernikmorad73]

How about if you're diagnosed with bipolar disorder,besides the fact that you could have been misdiagnosed Could we say that this disorder isn't in the brain too?! Something which was never proven anyway

[@emmadeveto4236]

Excellent, very interesting!!

[@sandywhat2429]

Let's find some ways to directly help people. Bessels been doing videos for some time. Throw us a bone.

[@setitthen]

Sounds like over comming learned helplessness

[@setitthen]

@@alegriart interesting I've never herd of automated system focused. Doctors want to push CBT for treating trauma and dissociation some Psychiatrist and psychologist are in the thinking of.. shuting down of the mind is some kind of learned helplessness. So watching this kind of made me see it from their prospective. But yes I agree it's not as simple as being learned helplessness but it looked that way from what I've understood from the prospective of psychologist and Psychiatrist I've interacted with.

[@mindofown]

Needs to be horses for courses, martial arts for a helpless abuse victim, yoga/meditation for a war veteran

[@Turtleproof]

A good master does not teach only the physical of martial arts but also the zen. To be mindful of your brain and body and resolute often prevents violence rather than incite it.

[@aquamarinedream8304]

How do you differentiate between mindfulness/zen and dissociation or escapism?

[@Turtleproof]

@@aquamarinedream8304 Good question. Meditation is a mental discipline, knowing that for even a moment or hours one can regroup and reflect. To find stillness let's thoughts settle, a calm mind is wiser than one that is stressed, angry, and so on. We may learn to question our actions or simply remember to pause and recharge so to speak. Escapism is to flee from the world and even ourselves. There may be a lapse of conscious worry for a moment but nothing is learned. It's not always bad, but a life out of balance is to constantly run away without examining things clearly. A physical confrontation is a good example. If I act on raw, uncontrolled emotion and kick the crap out of someone, its kind of like escapism. For a minute or two I'm just a wild animal getting a rush of adrenaline and satisfying a primal urge to hurt someone that inspired anger. To be zen would be to look at the situation impartially, to recognize emotions like excessive anger, fear, or jealousy. I could then dissuade the person from violence or, if necessary, incapacitate him without excessive force. Either way, once the situation is diffused there is an opportunity to learn something from each other, to connect rather than limp away bruised and even more bitter than before.

[@aquamarinedream8304]

@@Turtleproof Thanks that was very helpful ^^

[@ingridlandberg8662]

@@Turtleproof mindfulness v dissociation like faith v fear?

[@alrightthengreat]

It seems to me that the physical experience needs to directly correlate to the trauma for it to have maximum/any affect.

[@ranjanagosavi4735]

Sounds like cognitive behavioral therapy ?

[@thesupergreenjudy]

No its nothing like that. CBT is talking therapy and less focused on practical exercises. It's all about thinking your way out of it.

[@robynhope219]

I like him so much better than Gabor...am I allowed to say this? Well, I just did!

[@cindiadams8158]

As a sufferer of extreme trauma I only heard esoteric concepts.

[@MariaMartinez-researcher]

Ever considered that the brain is wired in such way for a reason? There is real danger in life, every day, everywhere. Sudden natural disasters (earthquakes, by example), accidents, crime, terrorism and attacks (mass shootings, so American), typical families and regular jobs. Taking away the survival instincts from people is insane.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

I Forgive people..and go about my business Obeying God within me.