How Low Can You Go? (Downtuning My Guitar)

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

How low do you think is too low? \o/

[@tfwnoyandere]

my unreleased record goes down to c#0 (~32.67 cents flat)

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

@tfw no yandere Damn that's low!

[@insanodad]

Drop b. It’s just noise lol

[@fromdepthswerise3024]

@@insanodad Glass Cloud.

[@tfwnoyandere]

@@insanodad sorry for your hearing damage

[@cultistsash]

By double drop E I can't believe you even have any definition in the attack of the chug anymore.

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Haha, yeah, I was surprised as well. : D

[@AlexTV_FPS]

I was quite surprised I could even distinguish that low E.

[@alfonsostrazzullo9256]

Beyond double drop C i feel like there's no more sound but noise... But that's a cool effect

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Yeah, some of the later riffs kinda have no definition anymore, haha

[@wimmeltje]

Awesome vid! Imo Double D is still sick. Anything below that is is TOOOO much lol. Northlane is just in the sweet spot with D#!

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Thanks a lot!

[@insanodad]

Those strings will never be the same again

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

haha nope : D

[@necroticpoison]

Still feel like regular A# (maybe A) is the heaviest tuning as bass guitar can still play like it regularly does (an octave down from guitar) and have clarity/bell like-ness and importantly tight fatness. Djent is still great but I always feel like it's quite dry and lacking the rumble and low end you can get when tuning higher up.

[@kernelxsanders]

This is why many bass guitars will (or at least ought to) tune to the same octave as the guitars when you reach a certain point. I learned this when The Acacia Strain's Wormwood album came out. Very tight sounding guitars thanks to the bass being in the same octave.

[@necroticpoison]

​@@kernelxsanders Yeah I mentioned that in regards to Meshuggah, and I'd say the best tuning that has an octave-downed bass is around A#. You can maybe at a stretch go down to G, but I think A# still sounds heaviest even though it's not the lowest *regular* guitar tuning.

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Yeah, it's a tradeoff. At some point I think I'd rather play the bass guitar in the same octave as the guitar, don't know exactly where I feel that points lies though!

[@genericname9875]

Yeah Double Drop A# goes hard.

[@justinsundstrom8976]

I want an album like this...

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Might happen in the future. ;)

[@aaroncollins6411]

@@DennisMartenssonOfficial How would it work? 13 songs going progressively more downtuned? Or 13 songs with each one being a different tuning going downward?

[@Zharioo26]

Loving everything until double drop C#, liking double drop C but then... It's too low haha

[@cultistsash]

Tune your guitar to the frequency of the vibrations of the ionosphere. Otherwise it isn't heavy enough.

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Haha, to each his own. To me Double Drop G was surprisingly heavy! : D

[@gr0verrr]

Awesome as always, brother

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Thanks a lot!

[@KellerFkinRyan]

so double drop e is one octave lower than a bass?

[@kernelxsanders]

No, there is technically no such thing as double dropped E.

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Exactly! So reaaally low, haha.

[@tfwnoyandere]

@@kernelxsanders what

[@kernelxsanders]

@@tfwnoyandere When you tune to a different octave, you refer to the tuning as the octave you are tuned to.

[@tfwnoyandere]

@@kernelxsanders no i don't, nor do most people. definitions are descriptive, not prescriptive

[@perempti]

For my taste double drop a#/a is super low, Buster Odeholm did it audible on måsstaden under vatten, so i think its the limit for me. Actually on your vid i cant hear any difference below that to be honest

[@folbird8428]

I think Darko US also uses double drop A

[@tfwnoyandere]

he goes to e0 on abyssal mouth

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Yeah. it gets extremely hard mixing it in a way where it's intelligible the lower you go, but Buster did a great job with that album. (:

[@perempti]

@@DennisMartenssonOfficial i cant hear any difference not because of way of mix/master, its because of even double drop g is waaaay to low Keep it up, love your content, mate)

[@fromdepthswerise3024]

Once it got to double drop G, I lost my sense of hearing

[@toastedsesame1591]

Honestly, put this on spotify

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

I've decided to include it in my next EP, yeah! So might be a little while though. (:

[@ThreeUnremarkableWords]

Am I correct in that the 'double drop E' is arond 20 hertz? I'm curious to what you'd get if you go lower. A rhythm?

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

I think so, yeah!

[@iamcode.4]

A headache.

[@samguenzburger]

You would still hear the harmonics from the distortion, though you wouldn’t hear the fundamental. You could feel it though, provided your amp/speakers can produce it

[@tfwnoyandere]

​@@samguenzburger same goes for the low string on any tuning in this video

[@samguenzburger]

@@tfwnoyandere I'm just saying you can hear the fundamental of notes E0 and above. Though the fundamentals may be filtered, but for that matter, any note can have its fundamental filtered

[@didi_abdillah]

Double Drop E basically is Drop E for Bass

[@AlexTV_FPS]

For me, I'm so used to extremely low tunings that I can actually distinguish notes all the way down to Gb0.

[@nicktoueyvlogs3818]

Double drop e to triple drop e next pls

[@tfwnoyandere]

sick

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Thanks!

[@palanthis]

The intonation hung in there quite a bit lower than I thought it would.

[@xakdaum]

DROP TO THE FLOOR

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Drop Infinity next : D

[@Se7ensorry]

what software do you use for the visualizers on stream?

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

My own game engine. (:

[@aft3r-lif382]

Ok can you make a vid on tone and distortion settings so we know how to keep the definition of the palm muting

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

I made a video about how I mix guitar here; kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGPTnKapnb1le9k (:

[@beersingha161]

What are dubble drop there ?

[@OnkelTomAngelripper1]

What string gauge were you using for this?

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

80, 60, 44, 32, 24, 16, 12, 9 (:

[@TokiRaven93]

Is this drums procedurally generated?

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Nope, I programmed them myself. (:

[@tunestar]

Great! Compete with the bassist! Why don't you see how high you can go?

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Haha, would be nice. Do the opposite of this video. Start in E standard, then tune up, and see where it starts sounding weird. : D

[@ThatGuney]

Poor bassist

[@Bking7string]

You using a pitch effect or actually tuning your guitar down?

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Mainly a pitch effect!

[@david2jz19]

Drop A# sounds like Darko US

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Taking that as a compliment! : D

[@u.v.s.5583]

At some point it stops djenting and starts dj0000000nting.

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Hahaha x'D

[@leechick]

Does this mean you are gonna add all of these to the guitar VST?

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

No, sorry, didn't sample these

[@leechick]

@@DennisMartenssonOfficial 😢 Do you think you’ll ever get around to it?

[@kernelxsanders]

@@DennisMartenssonOfficial Does this imply you are releasing a VST, or is it just for your procedural djent music?

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

@@leechick Probably will include lower tunings if I make another VST!

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

@@kernelxsanders I have released one! You can watch my walkthrough video of it here; kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6ibeXxnnMeDg6M (:

[@Durkhead]

Take the high string from a four string bass I think it's g? Any lower than that is to low

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

So regular Drop G? That's a fun tuning : D

[@reducedtoatoms3973]

You do realize that g2, which is a step lower than an electric guitars A2 string, right? You are essentially saying that we should get rid of our six string guitars.

[@Durkhead]

My fav tuning is actually c# (I'm so bad at remembering string letters) but half step below d I think whether drop or standard. I said the lowest you should go is around g because i think it's dumb to drop your guitar tuning below the bass guitar just put so distortion on the bass

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Now try with a 25.5'' scale ;)

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

):

[@VirtuosityGG]

double drop a# is too much

[@Vneckvideos]

no such thing as "too low" :)

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

Haha, I guess only the future will tell when we finally get 20 string guitars : D

[@kernelxsanders]

These aren't what you would call "double drop" tunings. A double drop tuning is where you drop tune both the low and high E strings, not going an extra octave below. For instance. double drop D would be "DADGBD". But for all intents and purposes, Within The Ruins tuned down as far as an octave below Dropped C on some of their songs (Calling Card, for example), and any lower than that, it just no longer becomes musical. But even that tuning is only musical with someone who really knows what they're doing when it comes to mixing. So, it depends on the mix, and in almost all cases, going below your standard dropped tuned 8 string is just pointless and more of a "whose dick is bigger" contest.

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

I've seen "double drop" names referred to when you tune lower than Drop E (an octave down from a 6 string in E standard), so I think people know what you mean when you say "double drop", even though it might not _technically_ be right. (: What would you say is the correct term? For example, Drop B could refer to two different octaves without the "double" in there!

[@kernelxsanders]

@@DennisMartenssonOfficial Sorry for the late response, I didn't get any notification. Anyways, when you see people refer to double dropped tunings as just being tuned an octave lower, that just means the person doesn't really know what they are talking about and are just giving it their own name, or they are going for clickbait. No respect to you because you are just going off of what you have seen before and you assumed that person knew what they were talking about. But this is metal, where nobody really knows anything musically and are self taught (again no disrespect, this is just how most metalheads are because the money we make in metal isn't enough to fund lessons lol). Alternate tunings each have their own names, and this would simply be called E1. The low E string on a standard tuned guitar is E2, so if you are just dropping it down an octave, you refer to the tuning as the octave it is tuned to. Or maybe you have it in a dropped tuning relative to the rest of the strings, so you could call it Dropped E1. If you called it Dropped E (without referring to the octave), most people would just assume it was the same octave as standard (E2) and tuned the rest of the strings UP a whole step. Hope this helps and keep on rockin! I love the 24/7 stream you have going btw, I'm sure half the views you have on there are from myself alone haha.

[@iamcode.4]

@@kernelxsanders Job. Grass. The loving touch of another human being. All things you should try.

[@billybob4794]

As a bassist, I fucking hate this trend with deathcore bands doing these extremely low tunings. Anything below A is just too much, not because the guitar sounds bad, but because the bass guitars start to dip into a range that our ears have trouble hearing. It’s incredibly hard to distinguish what I’m playing and it’s kind of annoying to think that it’s like this because guitarists think it’s cool without realizing that it turns the bass into a muddy rumble, AT BEST

[@poopguy6208]

🤓

[@xezerik62]

in my opinion, anything lower than Drop F sounds like muddy shit

[@DennisMartenssonOfficial]

To each his own, every tuning has it's pros and cons imo. : D