How Mace Windu Realized He Could BEAT Palpatine

[@brocksamson7164]

This was one of my favorite scenes of ROTS, but I felt cheated with the way Mace and Palpatine fought. Then I saw the deleted scene of how it was meant to go down and I got even more upset! They should've left the fight scene with the stunt doubles, it would have made the movie that much more epic as it was pretty much the end of the Republic and the Jedi era. It should've went down in a blaze of glory!

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

That was George Lucas' decision.

[@shotgunsandsmoke]

@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 And it was a dumb one, but I often wonder if Ian Mcdiarmid could've even learned the choreography for it. Samuel L Jackson did and Nick Gillard said that he did the fight movements really well. If both actors had perfected it, this probably could've been top 3 lightsaber fight in the original 6 movies.

[@nirmalbundhun4973]

1:09 😢🎉😊

[@TheProswagonist]

Every time i think any how quickly the 3 masters were dispatcher, I just think to myself "were y'all really needed here? I feel like Mace could went solo and achieved the same result with 3 lives spared."

[@jchea1764]

No, Mace would've been cut down at the start with the Force Scream

[@ShadowWolf0020]

The deleted combat scene is much better to understand why they went down so fast

[@arronfrazier7873]

@@jchea1764 Sorry! Force Scream didn't work on Windu! He was prepared when Palpatine screamed at the 4 Jedi masters! See Windu and Anakin already were use to darkside attacks because both were so close to the dark most of the time. Windu and Anakin used force choked a darkside power.

[@anthonyvasquezactor]

People who claim that Sidious was toying with Windu and deliberately threw the fight are probably right, but they overlook the other side of that coin - that Windu at the same time was not trying to kill Sidious during the duel, only to disarm and apprehend him. He only intended to kill Sidious after Sidious unleashed his Force lightning on him, during which time Windu realized Sidious was far too powerful (both politically and with the Force) and dangerous to keep alive.

[@Riggswolfe]

While I could see Sidious toying with lots of Jedi, I don't think he toyed with Mace. I think he underestimated Mace and Vapaad and ironically, had Anakin not arrived, Mace probably would have killed him then and there. It does make you wonder why the Force even needed a "Chosen One." That said, Mace was right. Anakin was indeed Sidious's shatterpoint, it just took 20 years for it to come to fruition.

[@brocksamson7164]

I agree 100%, I think Sidious got more than he bargained for when facing Windu, but people say "ew, Sidious intentionally threw the fight, bla bla bla).

[@chaosthemultiversesamurai4544]

People keep ignoring, George Lucas confirmed mace windu won this legit

[@danielhicks4826]

Its all bs Palpatine is good damn good but he had no true guaranteed way first to guarantee Anakin makes it in time at all, and second to guarantee he chooses him over Windu and the jedi order itself in the end, even without I believe Lucas on record official confirmation right? even without that though I have zero doubt of the true context of this fight and that Windu had flat out defeated in an epic legendary duel arguably the most dangerous and powerful dark side force user/Sith Lord in could be 500 could be 1000+ years! Windu was a mere seconds away from being the literal Legendary/hero of the entire galaxy and the man who single handily not only prevented the galaxy from being turned into an empire under a sith lord, but protected the entire jedi order Itself from, absolute total unconditional annihilation/purging. It is just so dang tragic and such a absurdly important moment in that universes history that the moment cannot be under or overstated. he beat him fair and square and Palpatine's knew it to.

[@paulboggess1330]

​@@chaosthemultiversesamurai4544Doesn't matter, he sold whatever authority/rights he had to a company he called "white slavers" all because he couldn't take a little criticism. Not to mentioned what fanboys normally leave out, the other parr of that quote where he said sidious was always in control. So no argument

[@RenfromBespin]

“Don’t listen to him Anakin! ahh!”

[@DarthRoo]

I always thought that the fighting style of Vapaad was really cool! The way how one could slip into the Dark Side is intriguing. In this fight, I always thought that Sidous was going easy in Mace, just so Anakin would kill Mace instead. Thanks for the video Retney’s Holocron!

[@t74guard78]

Anybody who thinks Sidious was playing games with Mace, as powerful as he was, is a moron. The God of Star Wars, Mr. Lucas said Windu defeated Sidious fair and square. No games were being played. After Windu disarmed him, Sidious was not a man scrambling away while playing any game. He was a man scrambling away for his life. Watch that part again. He wasn't playing, he was frightened for his life. Mace kicked Sidious ass end of story.

[@atesz990]

The truth is that,Palpatine call Anakin,because Mace Windu was better lightsaber duelist,than Palpatine,but not stronger. This news was official in 2005,before the FILM!!! Just i I can not understand,why deleted the earlie scenes....Watch the comics. Dooku met Mace,and Dooku said: "Are you kill me?Not today."

[@bentennyson6141]

Mace Windu: he’s not so tough

[@brokenbridge6316]

If only Mace Windu tried something different when Anakin was in the room.

[@josephrichardson7366]

I heard recently there was a comic released about Mace Windu surviving the fall? Possibly next video? ;)

[@randybentley2633]

Here's the thing though, Mace wouldn't be falling a kilometer, but only 20-30 feet at most. The Chancellor's office is located in the Republic Executive complex, which is the domed building in front of the mushroom shaped Senate building. With such being the case, he would only fall a couple of feet before starting to tumble to its base...

[@steven_k117]

But at the end of the video it said something about Sidious' lightning attack destroying Mace's universe and he fell forever.

[@randybentley2633]

​@@steven_k117I'm sure that the same was said about Maul, and yet...

[@kylerowley8248]

Great videos man keep it up. I am definitely gonna have to read these books now, never would have considered it before.

[@RetneysHolocron]

Glad you like them! Thank you!

[@daryljr5361]

In my opinion if Skywalker didn't get involved Mace would have won

[@m0thdm]

thats pretty much it to me. It wasnt his battle prowess but his long years of manipulation that won that fight, the battle and the war. Thats the point of that scene I think. And to give Anakin the chance to choose darkness

[@daryljr5361]

@@m0thdm I agree

[@hoxton3046]

This was a pathetic fight i dont believe palp could of slayed the other jedi so fast....idc what anyone says this fight should of been longer

[@brocksamson7164]

Yes, it was underwhelming even though I loved seeing Mace Windu and Sidous in action; it left me unsatisfied. Then I saw the deleted scene and lost it! Why TF did George Lucas removed that whole scene?....

[@justinmendoza3150]

Well that's an alternative to this fight scene which is much more cooler as they use other actors for the fight scenes so the fight looks much better and Palpatine looks much more formidable while dueling leading the easy defeat of the other Jedi Masters. You should search it up I promise it exists. The only reason the fight wasn't in the final product of Episode 3 was because George Lucas wanted the actual actors of the characters to fight instead changing the fight to what we ended up getting

[@justinmendoza3150]

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[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

​@@brocksamson7164Because George Lucas isn't a good director.

[@Khalif-AllahEntertainment]

I would love to see anyone animated this.

[@emmanuelsilvera8032]

It's a dream of mine to see this play out in live action. Maybe in Ahsoka??

[@michaelkeller530]

Qui Gon using Vaapad...unstoppable?

[@JacobGen]

Mace had cut himself loose. He was submerged in Vapaad. Swallowed by it. T.D. Jakes: 👀👀👀

[@Skarbro]

Great video 😎

[@tylerwatts7707]

We have too much backstory on Juyo and Vaapad, the power between Palpatine and Windu to not have a complete remake of the duel.

[@Guntrap861]

I found the fact that Sidious withstood his own redirected lightning attack quite fascinating and disturbing. And as for Windu and most if not all Star Wars characters, they proved helpless when struck. Any explanation ?

[@steven_k117]

Sidious is a bad ass.

[@yusrashah1173]

this fight scene is so cool

[@HandofOmega]

So, basically, Vaapad's music should be the Ultra Instinct theme! The one thing I disliked about the novelization here was that we did not get a look into Palpatine's mind...I would really like to know what his honest asseement of Vaapad was! BTW, I know Luke is said to be a master of all lightsaber forms, but does that include Vaapad? I could see Jaina Solo mastering it, but few others...

[@jeromefox1932]

Sidious did not throw the fight, why would he? He already had Anakin mind and soul. Mace made one mistake once he had Palpatine disarmed he should have thrust him threw without hesitation, not talking to Anakin or the Sith Emperor, not giving Anakin time to strike. The Emperor could not have stopped Maces thrust through his heart nor would Anakin have time to strike. But that's not the story and it would have cancelled 6 more movies.

[@Icemario87]

yeppers

[@sudlooshrz7128]

I know it's a cliché of a broken man finding hope but it would make sense if Samuel Jackson came back as a broken Mace Windu. The very Republic he fought for with his life an fallen by his mistake in his duel with Palpatine. I wouldn't make the story about Mace re finding faith but more about him being more understanding of emotions particularly we can get a lot of flashbacks of Mace's past to not only get more of Mace's perspective but cool CAMEOS

[@orvilleortiz8616]

Everyone needs to understand that this was the will of the force, the Jedi were becoming corrupted by politics and were loosing focus of their true nature, on the episode of “god or mortis” (The Clone Wars Show) The Brother who represents the dark side shows Anakin a vision of what is he to become, but then the father intervenes and erases Anakins future vision of Him becoming The Cyborg Darth Vader,because Anakin Skywalker was always Darth Vader, he shows it multiple times during The Clone Wars show, So the force created Anakin so he can bring balance to the force, also Yoda gives Windu and Obie-Wan a hint he knows more of Anakin Skywalker when Yoda says “A Prophecy that misread it could have been” because Obie-Wan speaks highly of Anakin but Windu says I don’t trust him(Anakin)… yes Everything could have been different but then the Jedi would’ve been Soldiers instead of peace keepers, they all had General,Commander titles!!!! The Jedi were the problem, they weren’t helping the weak, they were doing the bidding of the high rank politicians and forgot about the people, just like us now, The American GoVerMent cAreS mOre FoR UKraInE aNd oTher iSsues tHan OuR sEcuRing oUr BoDer!!!! Corruption Is a CanCer!!!!!

[@arthurmartine6410]

MACE WINDU should've force pushed anakin back so that he could kill Palpatine

[@Themostawesomestvids]

This would have never happened, if Obi Wan Kenobi joined Count Dooku when he had the chance.

[@tman10686]

Perhaps Yoda and Mace should’ve gone together?

[@brocksamson7164]

Remember Yoda was in Kashyyyk!

[@jimokane9891]

Yeah they couldnt have Mace and Yoda fight Palpatine together he would have had no chance.

[@arronfrazier7873]

@@jimokane9891 Palpatine would have commanded order 66 and jumped out of the window.

[@samzee9327]

Sorry to say it.... But with all due respect to Samuel Jackson, he didn't deserve this part of that roll. It just doesn't go with him!

[@markvaughn7080]

That's cap not only was Sam good for the roll he gave it his all and was very excited to do star wars becuz its something he grew up loving

[@kendleoneal4080]

The roll was originally for Tupac. But Samuel Jackson did a great job.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

It's not Sam Jackson's fault. George has always been known as a poor director when it came to actors. Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford all made fun of his dialogue when filming the OT.

[@SiLvErWaRe000]

I always liked how this played out in the Episode 3 game on PS2. Anakin and Mace having their own dual, and the dialog between them. MACE: You've been tainted by the dark side. ANAKIN: Noo! MACE: You have failed the Jedi Order! ANAKIN: Noooo! It felt like those lines really pushed Anakin over the edge causing him to kill Mace through pure instinct, and skill. Which is why he comes to and asks what have I done.

[@ultimatespiderman9962]

Your saying vappad wrong just as I spelled it wrong 😂😂

[@RetneysHolocron]

No, I pronounced it correctly! 👍 Anyone who says "vay-pad" is saying it incorrectly

[@ultimatespiderman9962]

@@RetneysHolocron idk it just sounds weird to each its own I guess

[@Jono_93]

​@@RetneysHolocron Your the first person i've heard pronounce it as, "Vaa-pad" i swear i've even heard George Lucas himself pronounce it as, "Vay-pad".

[@ultimatespiderman9962]

@@Jono_93 I don't think it matters how you pronounce it as long as you know what it is you're talking about

[@Jono_93]

@@ultimatespiderman9962 Aye, i agree. I think it's just because, "Vay-pad" just sounds better for most, rolls of the tongue better.😄

[@andrewjustice5198]

I assumed that the reason Mace was going to kill Palpatine was because he saw a future where Anikin, the chosen one, would turn into Darth Vader if Palpatine was left alive.

[@hisokadajoka6469]

Well he did see that the trust he had for Anakin would kill the Sith. It just wasn’t the time Wace thought it would happen. His death and the subsequent death the Jedi is what the Force wanted. Jedi create Sith….that is the first and only fact of the universe of Star Wars.

[@thefirstgp6475]

I just realized this man Windu fought the whole fight with his cloak on. fr this man was using 30% of his power on Palps 😂😂

[@Lily_Hasson666]

Revenge of the sith is my favorite movie

[@bryankennedy2257]

SHADOW POINTS....

[@Padawan97]

Tragic ending

[@tekkamanblade23]

I get so pissed with anakin everytime.... but I think that thing with them not allowing him to help his mother left him twisted ... I'll give him that

[@damage6836]

Anyone who thinks palpatine threw the fight is stupid. Mace defeated him deal with it

[@sithsoldier98]

I think in time Mace would eventually flipped and turned......Because his "good intentions" was justified for the Republic..........

[@arronfrazier7873]

Here's the thing, Mace could have turned but could have been a apprentice to Palpatine or Plaguies! First of all, he would have significantly jumped in power like Dooku! He also was younger than Dooku. He also at that time of the fight was near or equal to Yoda in power. Second, Mace had different characteristics than Maul, Dooku and Anakin. Maul and Dooku were to trusting of Palpatine. Anakin was too trusting and to over emotional! Windu was none of these things! Mace would have tried to kill Palpatine right away! Mace turned to the darkside, with Vaapand and Shatterpoint, Palpatine isn't trying to have that around him. Mace also was level headed too! He grew more into this as he got older. He was somewhat of a hothead like Anakin at the same age but not as hot headed as Anakin! Palpatine would never be able to manipulate Windu like he did Maul, Dooku and Anakin! The only reason Mace listen to Palpatine was because he was the Chancellor of the Republic!

[@DrJohannPryce]

Mace could of killed him. But he hesitated.

[@WilliamCurry-bh3dk]

WINDU yeah but the rest om NO

[@arronfrazier7873]

This is what most of us don't get! The moment, Anakin came into that room. It took away Mace concentration and focus on Palpatine. If Anakin doesn't show up, Mace was would have never got off balance or let up against Palpatine. Mace Vaapad and shatterpoint were the tipping point in Mace favor! Anakin showing up, it threw everything off. He would never asked Anakin to destroy Palpatine because, it was your destiny! Anakin would have fulfilled his destiny by telling Mace, Palpatine was the Sith Lord which would have led to the defeat of Palpatine. The Jedi would have changed severely if Mace had struck down Palpatine. How could they not? The Sith and Palpatine came to power right under their noses. Who to say, there wasn't others out their affiliated with Palpatine as plan B, C and etc?

[@scottmccrea1873]

No, Mace Window did _not_ "beat" Palpatine. This is so dumb. He went _out_ the window with a blast of Force lighting! *He lost in every way it is possible to lose!* He was controlled by Sidious completely. Almost every step Window made, was ordained by Palpatine. Mace Windu was the perfect puppet to push Anakin over the edge. And he played his part brilliantly.

[@user-dd7hv2sx5b]

@@scottmccrea1873 He Would Win If Not Anakin's Fault Quite Literally.

[@user-dd7hv2sx5b]

He Would Win If Not Anakin's Fault Quite Literally. 😅

[@Justfishcatches]

I’m tired of these mf sith on this mf plane! lol

[@danielhicks4826]

What's really amazing about this to- well one of what like 15 absurdly legendary moments that changed history forever all in the span of a single night- is that Mace Windu was literally seconds away from becoming the biggest modern day living legend among Jedi and beyond them even, the biggest legendary hero of the present time/era, and a winner in a epic once every who knows 500-1000+ years ish type of duel/1 vs 1 battle/fight against the single most powerfull ith Lord in generations arguably/probably, and Windu was seconds away from not only accomplishing and becoming all of these amazing heroic legendary admirable traits and single handily saving the entire Republic and the entire Jedi order as a whole, seconds away! I really believe aside from Anakin young prime handsome confident powerful heck pre prime even youthful agile fast etc aside from all of those traits and qualities of him being literally burned away in a volcanic inferno destroying his mind soul and body- 2nd after only that the tragedy of Mace Windu being so so sooooooooooooo close to becoming the single greatest living legend/hero of the modern times across the galaxy to have technically won the duel against the most difficult opponent humanly and even abnormally /sub humanly possible and being mere seconds away from total objective undeniable can tbe undone pure absolute victory! only for it to be sliced away and him with no realization it was coming likely to have it all crash down ironically likewise in a matter of mere seconds! I mean to be that dang close so so soooooo absurdly close to absolute total objective heroic legendary victory against evil and the most powerful nemesis possible in the galaxy of the time, and then to have it all shattered and torn and ripped and of course"slced" away in a matter of seconds by a fellow jedi Knight who he just moments before due to Annakin telling and confiding in him immediately about Palpatine's true identity, and likely finally believing that Anakin was indeed a true Jedi and potential soon to be lifelong friend fellow Jedi master and etc- for him to be the one that ends all of that and takes all of that from Windu in heck less then 5-8 seconds is undeniably one ogf the most tragic moments and outcomes in modern cinema/general sci fi/ and obviously genera; star wars history straight up. Its just so insane to see it happen and realize just how important this one single moment is for all of galactic history literally the fate of the entire galaxy and beyond in a single Man a single Jedis hands and he had it won he had won only to have it stolen and sliced and taken away just indescribably tragic I really believe close not quite equal but pretty damn close very very close to as tragic as what happened to Anakin after the Kenobi duel/fight.

[@mikevanroy9356]

There is no way Mace could have won this fight no matter what advantages or training he had. Like Yoda the best he could have hoped for was a draw. Only the Chosen One could have destroyed the Sith and like it or not Anakin was the only candidate the Jedi knew of. If Anakin had not been there Sidious would not have held back. It's likely Anakin's eventual presence prolonged Windu's life for a few moments as there were points in the duel where Sidious could have dispatched him swiftly but he was waiting for better timing.

[@ShadowWolf0020]

​@@mikevanroy9356Lucas himself stated the Mace Windu win that fight, so you are wrong on that

[@gerieveen429]

I still wonder how the emperor could lose this battle, after all it was a draw between him and yoda, and was yoda not the strongest of all jedi? this kind of confused me about the power of both the emperor and yoda.

[@LowTierScrub]

Palpatine probably enjoyed having all that space and room to fling stuff at Yoda and mess with environment, plus hundreds of clones and guards on their way to back him up etc he was able to fight dirty Mace and crew cornered him in his office without backup, and there's nothing in that room to help him really when Mace is tapping into darkside and focused as hell until sandwalker shows up I always saw Mace and Yoda as equals, from them being the only ones in the series to eat force lightning for breakfast and actually survive it 😂🎉

[@LowTierScrub]

If you're a Yoda fan, I would take the fact that Palp immediately tried to leave the room when he showed up. When Mace showed up he wanted the smoke 😂

[@pedroroque829]

WIndu was considered the greatest champion and swordsman of the entire jedi order

[@ale-xsantos1078]

Mace wasnt anywhere as powerful as either Sidious or Yoda but he was using Sidious's power against him So for Palpatine it was like fighting himself and Mace Windu at once, Vaapad was just that strong

[@sr_aron]

Mace was the best duelist, better than yoda

[@t74guard78]

Windu defeated Sidious in lightsaber combat and would have killed him if that whinny little bitch traitor Anakin didn't betray him and the whole galaxy. It would have been perfect if Mace would have seen it coming and cut off Anakin's arm as he swung down to also take off Sidious head. Then use the force to throw Anakin across the room knocking him out. Then Anakin would be kicked out of the Jedi order and he and Padme would have had their twins and lived out their lives on Naboo. That is how the story should have gone.