How Much Ammunition Do You Need For Training And Survival?

[@nancyallen8497]

The UN has 81,820 active personnel so I'd say that is the same number of bullets each person should stock pile

[@josephvanwie6706]

Sounds like the exact number of new IRS agents the regime just hired and armed. ....

[@rickcap1271]

Amen

[@mitchculpepper738]

Having 6 to 8 thousand primers on hand when the pandemic struck, I thought I was golden. In less than 2 years I was forced to pay $110 per thousand. The moral of this story is that you can never have too much ammo!

[@PlayingWithFireOutdoors]

@mitchculpepper738 Your correct, my last trip to the US brought me up to 20k. But IF I did some serious time behind my press, I could go through them in 3 days.

[@PlayingWithFireOutdoors]

@mitchculpepper738 Your correct, my last trip to the US brought me up to 20k. But IF I did some serious time behind my press, I could go through them in 3 days.

[@bonjovi2757]

If you can't touch it in 15 minutes, you don't really own it. That goes for money, gold, ammo, guns and food/water. Within 15 minutes you whole world could change, in fact The whole world could change in 15 minutes. Not likely, but still possible.

[@Cruiser777]

It can change in a matter of minutes with an EMP strike The people they're gonna be dead are gonna be the lucky ones this is not gonna be like a one of these survival movies that's a bunch of bs.

[@catherinewatson9234]

Ditto

[@garyfullmer4353]

​@@Cruiser777It's simply depends on the situation. An EMP might not hurt a lot of people who have underground bunkers and such. I have several burner SUVs that are stored in a shop with the batteries removed. After an EMP simply reattach the battery and you're good to go. People that are prepared will be able to withstand a lot of the horrible things going on around them. Especially those who can't afford to install a bunker. They're getting to be less expensive. Also a lot of people who are handy have built bunkers out of shipping containers or other things. If you can shelter from what's going on outside you have a chance. The point of surviving some sort of catastrophic against it is that you have choices. Most people that die are going to die in agonizing death because they don't have any water or food. If you have even a rudimentary bunker you can gather those that you care about in that bunker you have time to make decisions about what to do. While the chaos is going on up above those in their bunkers can be making decisions and plans. And if one has been able to build a proper bunker you can get filters that will filter out any kind of radioactive material etc. A well-built one will allow you to survive for years. And again you can make decisions. If the time comes that it's decided that you don't have much time left to survive you can prepare for that eventuality. Also the government has bunkers, especially the military, all over the country and around the world. These are buckers where government military officials can survive for literally years. They will be working on ways to make the environment survivable again and bring back law and order. What else would they have to do in a bunker all day. People make him up with ways to survive while you're waiting it out. I feel sorry for the people who haven't prepared who are just going to die right away. What you don't realize is you probably won't just die right away either. If you're far enough away from a nuclear strike that it doesn't kill you right off you will likely die of radiation poisoning or some other horrible condition that you get. You'll wish you had of done more preparation at that point.

[@jeffl4896]

Well said I agree totally

[@427SuperSnake1]

Agreed, people always think they are gonna make it to their bug out location 45 min or more away using their vehicle 😂..

[@ericblust5923]

"you should have enough guns and ammo to secure your independence," George Washington, probably

[@CR67]

Q: How much ammo do you need? A: I don't know. How much ammo is there?

[@russellharrington6038]

Lord, help me get one more case of ammo. Got it. Lord, help me get one more case of ammo. Got it. Lord, help me get one more case ..........

[@samwilliams1142]

Large pistol primers are still in short supply (44, 45). I bought 2 cases of small pistol primers (9mm and 38/357) in early 2019.

[@mikes_gripes]

Ammo Squared = (owner) stock Ammo from the ceiling to the walls and I (ammo squared) will have it all and know where it is when SHTF or when the grid goes down and there’s no supply routes

[@tom_olofsson]

Ammo Squared rocks. I joined when it first started. Excellent.

[@neverendingmods]

You think their prices are cheap? I looked around their site and they aren't the most expensive BUT they sure aren't close to the cheapest.

[@tom_olofsson]

@@neverendingmods Its not about cheap. Its about dollar cost averaging. That and stocking up a little at a time.

[@peternorthrup6274]

I'm buying battle packs now. Not cheap. But easy to store.

[@Bogo___]

Can you share the link please?

[@michaelgarner4229]

This reminds me of buying paper gold. No thanks i want to hold my ammo and my gold

[@catherinewatson9234]

Ditto

[@coziii.1829]

I’m a prepper I stock and stock 5,000 per firearm And keep buying

[@davidblanchard5252]

Most Americans don't think about the future. They are too busy trying to keep up with todays living and kid's schools, Bulk Ammo ! Reloading ? There are four components. Brass, powder, primers,and bullets. If you have all the equipment and knowledge. Today! There is a primer and some powder shortage. The cost and supply is something to think about plus storage !!

[@toddjohnston1502]

Fmj is completely fine for self defense. Hollowpoints are better in most cases yes, however fmj to the Dome is the same as Hp to the Dome lol In addition fmj is more useful in combat for penetration on barriers, windshields, doors ect. Also fmj is a 1/3-1/4 the cost typically. That being said you could practice and store much More ammo. Personally i prefer long term store ammo. Anything in a can, battlepack or it needs to at least have sealed primer and case neck. Lots of companies are offering new products of that sort these days. And sorry if you dont hold it you dont own it. Same as paper gold. I won't be stuck holding paper lol

[@fig2769]

Buy what you can buy, Ammo is like makeup/shoes to a woman. The more they have the happier they are. You can never have enough. It’s an investment.

[@rlwright2002]

I agree friend. It's money in the bank.!!.

[@cultleader3572]

If u don't hold it u don't own it🎉🎉

[@1bornsurvivor]

I feel the same way about buying gold. I don't want someone else to hold what I have already paid for.

[@tundranomad]

​@@1bornsurvivor 👍 And silver

[@Helm-w1q]

I quit stock pileing ammo. I built myself a flame thrower. I can make all my own Napalm cheap and I'm designing a robotic platform for it. It's pretty cool. You be surprised how many things you can kill with this thing.

[@samwilliams1142]

AK tolerates steel cases and dirt better than AR run brass case keep it clean. Steel cases are extremely difficult to reload. TUI is mostly solid copper lead free. The AKs are often over gassed to insure operation. The AK can shoot lead cast bullets the tube takes longer to clog than the little AR tube.

[@CR67]

The AK is massively overgassed. Past the gas port, the AK bullet actually slows as it is no longer being pushed. The 7.62 is a good short range round, but beyond 400m it's strictly area of effect. I know guys that can hit soda cans at 1000m with their ARs.

[@rickcap1271]

Well, if you own an air 15 you should buy nothing but brass, KC ammunition, plain and simple don’t be cheap it’s clean it cost more than the shitty steel case crap but it’s more accurate than the steel case garbage they sell

[@BadNewsYouNeedToKnow]

I checked out the ammo squared prices. A business for those who have the extra cash but not the time to shop around.

[@russellholding1877]

5000 rds per cal

[@matthewriegner5180]

I would say this is a good number due to shortages/price increases. If shtf, you'll want at minimum 1k per cal. But more importantly, you'll want to know what shoots best through your guns and stock up on that. Ideally you'll get lucky and have a rifle/pistol that likes the cheap stuff. And not getting designer rounds is the other thing. 22lr, 556/223, 9mm/45, and 308, maybe 762x39. If you don't have weapons chambered in those you're just not in good standing.

[@williamdurdin1964]

Buy a box or two, every month 22, 9mm, 243, 556,12 g. Currently stocking 22 magnum

[@voodoo1449]

As much as you can afford!!

[@alularussell778]

I am in agreement with your need to feel safe and prepared. Good. From where I've been, you don't ever want to run out of ammo, air, water, toilet paper or food. My feeling (from experience of my own and not from some book) is that firefights are swift, very violent and you're hoping you'll be the winner. The opposition feels exactly the same way. It's a game of odds. Every time you need to resort to your "mountain of ammo", your odds are higher the next contact holds fewer odds in your favor. Remember, the other guy, or girl, knows when the hit is planned, you don't. They have prepped, trained and stored ammo till they don't have room to store clean underwear. Have ammo? Have guns? I do but I think those days will require a lot of other needs that will put a box car full of bullets farther down on the list if your sky does indeed start to fall around your ears.

[@PlayingWithFireOutdoors]

You're correct, reloading is the way to go. Getting a progressive press (Dillon etc) makes the time behind the press, more productive. I'm not the fastest, and I can make 300+ in under 1/2 an hour. That shows that PRIMERS are required to take the stocking of ammo to the next step.

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Primers in Australia are $900/5000 if you can get them from a cheap place. ADI gunpowder is $395/4kgs with no other choices on the shelves. No pistol powder at all , apparently

[@jackfrost3573]

The real question is how many gun fights can you win? in a row?

[@2amichaelj]

If you're defending your own known and fortified property then who knows but the probability is much higher than living out your scavenging Fallout wasteland fantasies.

[@nyghtmyst5118]

Look the bottom line is this when Ballon goes up there is no resupply no one is going give to or sell it to you

[@2amichaelj]

Attention federal agents reading this... I have zero ammunition and lost all my firearms in an unfortunate llama accident in the Peruvian mountains.

[@jdawgpimpdaddyc4374]

U have No Backbone. Ur like a dog with its Tail tucked between its legs. U aint a True Patriot. You're a Coward.

[@bluebeastsrt]

Buy 22 caliber. 3-4 times the number of rounds per dollar spent.

[@bobross8569]

I would like all of the ammo.

[@minicoopertn]

The rule I have always followed is I only shoot half of what I buy and store the other half until I have two years worth. I store extra of certain types of ammo on top of that.

[@lucast3006]

One of the mistakes is used to make was not rotating my stock and using the oldest stuff first. I was just too lazy to dig out the older cans and take that stuff to the range, but that’s a bad strategy. First in should be first out so that you’re always keeping your stockpile as fresh as possible.

[@luisalvarado3788]

As much as you can afford to buy.. In my opinion 5 to 10 thousand rounds per gun.. I say that because a weekend at the ranch shooting targets. We can go through a thousand rounds easily... And that's a conservative number..

[@michaelbarfield528]

Been an Ammo Squared member for 2 and a half years....😀

[@brazzy1467]

My tent is up!!!!

[@richardthomas6602]

The unanswered question. What are his storage rates?

[@meeksde]

And shipping?

[@alanbourne2332]

You can store it at my house “ I’ll even pick it up at the shipping center “

[@toddhendricks8239]

How abought how much cleanng supply for your weapons and riffle barrels were out. Fireing pins , springsgun oil.

[@bonjovi2757]

AR15 barrels have a 30,000 round lifespan (if they are quality) or 20,000 for the budget guns. They'll still work but accuracy starts to drop off. Small parts (quality) are anywhere from 5000 rounds springs pins and such to 30,000 rounds triggers, hammers, firing pins. upper and lower receivers +/- 50,000 to 100,000 rounds. Again, in my opinion and from being an armorer at a police department. I am not an engineer or manufacturer. But my experience has held to these numbers. Clean every 1000 to 2000 rounds. but be aware that if you put a gun away dirty the carbon gets harder to clean off vs cleaning after a range trip. But a quality gun could easily run for 5000 rounds before cleaning. In my experience any gun solvent will clean. Any oil will lubricate. But the high end expensive solvents work if you left your gun dirty for long periods of time.

[@toddhendricks8239]

@@bonjovi2757 guess that depends on quality of the brand . Still shit happens ain't that why we prep?

[@toddhendricks8239]

@@bonjovi2757 my shot gun barrel wore out, plus shit happens. That is why we prep. Ever hear of Murphy's Law. Hmmm . Or maybe if you like a fancy scope oopsy the rifle fell or got dropped 😭 And no shopping for a new one.

[@steveharvey7712]

I stock what I can afford.

[@Scarecrows399]

All of it.

[@kennethrisner8648]

Good subjects touched upon here. Gentlemen if I say anything contrary to what has been said here I promise you I mean no sarcasm or disrespect. That said you mentioned that, for example, 9mm fmj bullets aren't an effective man stopper. I would suggest that millions of soldiers from all sides killed in wars with that very round would beg to differ. I am retired and on a very limited income. My edc, a taurus g3, cost $300 and took me 3 months to get out of layaway. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a supply of, say, hornardy critical defense 9mm rounds. but my local rural kings has 25 round boxes of them at a price of nearly $30. For the same money I can get 100 rounds of whatever fmj is on sale, it's really a no brainer. The going popular opinion is that fmj over penetrates and can cause serious injury or even death to an innocent bystander. While that is a distinct possibility I have yet to see a single documented case of it ever happening. I have however seen countless instances of property damage or serious injury or death caused by errant shots and this can happen no matter the style of projectile. So regarding fmj we have a bit of a paradox. On one hand alot of people say it has little stopping power, on the other hand the same people making that claim refuse to use it for defense because it over penetrates and can cause too much damage to innocents. These 2 trains of thought are in direct contradiction to one another. Just some food for thought.

[@gewamser]

The only problem with putting away “too much” ammo….is when the authorities consider your stash “an excessive arsenal” …and though it may not be illegal, and might be a reasonable amount for an avid target shooter, say 1000 rounds per caliber, the ATF or the cops or the media might not see it that way. This could put you into a tough spot.

[@427SuperSnake1]

They are going to vilinize you no matter what, so just get over it and keep what makes you feel comfortable not worrying about any 3 letter agency or the government.

[@davidbladen5667]

First off quit telling everybody what ammo that you have and where you keep it. Then you're less likely to have the cops and alphabet boys knocking on your door

[@jamespmullin21753]

Battle pack= 200 rounds of 5.56×45 nato ( American ) ammo.

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

They are going to turn you into a villain no matter what. That's half the point.

[@delbertcast3543]

GFYM ATF

[@leedyp]

And don’t keep it all in the same location you should have caches in several locations

[@jayl8034]

Years ago, I heard of this theory for this situation and adhere to it: Called the (N+1) Calculation. Where N is the amount you have and...... N+1 is the amount you need.

[@ernestdaniel291]

You are right I am try to stock up

[@patricklee5576]

PSA makes that move to Primer manu. It has to be done

[@docr8197]

Just rember ammo IS money in a chaos environment. Way more than paper 😨

[@MrOldclunker]

Only to someone that needs it. Everyone has it. Think about that a minute. How much food do you put back?

[@coziii.1829]

Screw practice ammo use the real stuff that you would use in a real apocalyptic war

[@neverendingmods]

Answer= as much as you can afford. No limit to qty on hand.

[@leedyp]

All you can afford is how much you should have and then buy more just in case

[@Bill-y1j]

Lol, you dont have to pay someone to store your ammo - send it all to me and I'll store it for free 😂😂😂

[@hustlerkc11]

The problem with this is if tshtf, how r u going to get your ammo.. it seems like a decent idea but not really logical because it's not like ups is going to be delivering during a shtf scenario.

[@davidbladen5667]

Everybody is still waiting for pre covid pricing on ammo. I have news for all of you procrastinators. If you wait any longer there won't be much of anything left.

[@peacefulwarrior4078]

Precious metals nowadays are BRASS COPPER LEAD

[@loulunetta425]

Seems like an OK program in a normal market cycle where supply and demand fluctuate price and availability. But if the SHTF how do you get my stuff from Idaho to Georgia? And if ANTIFA marches from Seattle or Portland to Nampa, do you have a North bridge and militia like they did at Concord.

[@constitutionalrepublican1611]

the militia exists.

[@toddtomaszewski4626]

As much as you can carry.

[@user-uu6tl8gl2w]

If you survive 4 or 5 hundred round fire fight there will be ammo to pick up. Tons of ammo is stupid for some people. And if you have a million rounds you need to see a Dr. Most people are Over reacting emotional civilians who can only draw on TV. Computer games and spending the week at the deer camp with all their beer cooler. Get real people. 23 years military here. And talk is cheap. Good luck

[@carlosfernandez1]

I never got enough...🤔

[@nyghtmyst5118]

Why is this guy not emp shielding his truck or delivery vehicles

[@herrerajoey2]

Lol, if SHTF delivering your ammo would be this guys very last concern. Believe me.

[@BigHueJanus]

Q: How much ammo do you need? A: Yes

[@fin59shaw]

QVC will ship 22LR automatically, and let you do three easy payments.

[@johnday4883]

Yes

[@herrerajoey2]

"how do you think of your ammo needs?" "I think of my needs as people pay me to hold their ammo so when shtf i have all their ammo" I cannot understand how this is appealing to anyone. I have a ton of ammo and buy more every week. Explain to my why anyone would do this?

[@BadNewsYouNeedToKnow]

This is really an ad for the company. Not a ton of info to help the POORS.

[@Warrior]

Sorry you didn't get enough information out of the episode @robhunterart. You may be more experienced than other gun owners and we try to cover as wide an audience as possible to help all levels. But it really just being an "ad"? Well, yes... we are a capitalist society and we do support businesses that support our audience... but no, this wasn't an ad. You don't have to subscribe to Ammo Squared and Dan does suggest other ways of finding cheap ammunition. I subscribe because it's an easy "set it and forget it" way for me to invest in keeping the pile growing. I've had times where I was late to the range because I was scrambling around from shop to shop looking for 9mm and when I did find some, it was way more expensive than what I pay ongoing. But to each their own. Hopefully you'll enjoy other episodes we do... but fair warning... most of our other guests DO have careers in the industry and do have things to buy. Hopefully we'll strike a better balance for you going forward.

[@brenttesterman3171]

@@Warrior Excellent response! I can see his point though, just don't completely agree.

[@tundranomad]

Ammo Squared will not ship to Alaska.

[@raym4934]

As much as you can get.

[@j.p.4541]

When you think you have enough, buy more.

[@x3dominator28]

I shoot several hundred rounds a month so I buy a case every couple months.

[@pinetree9343]

Been hearing about UPS and FEDEX employees looking for these shipments and stealing it. Any comments?

[@constitutionalrepublican1611]

my local guy dont want no smoke

[@bangbanggvng]

this sounds like a scam. just like the title. I watched over Hal the video and its been an advertisement do they actually give a number

[@tso115]

Iv shot ammo that was 80 years old with no issues, so there's no expiration date on bullets

[@coziii.1829]

I buy a pallet online every 3 months

[@constitutionalrepublican1611]

where from, my pallet orders stopped, and i had to locate drums.... and even those are getting a bit sticky nowadays.... you must be very close to a source, i know im not. ive done alot of research and sometimes come up empty handed...

[@ssearl3231]

People need to realize that they are just one round from being out of the game in shtf

[@catherinewatson9234]

Seems like just another way to make money off us prepper's........

[@leanit5756]

More.

[@davidnelson5728]

As much as you can afford.

[@mavericknonconformist69721]

Staying put? that is up to you. Bugging out? How much can you carry? How much can your wife carry? Kids same. You cannot take it all. How much do you want taken by looters and the enemy?

[@leedyp]

You should have 10000000 rounds per weapon and then just get some more for extra

[@herrerajoey2]

Going to withdrawal my entire 401K to work towards this number. Thanks for the excellent advice.

[@WilliamDumoreGlobz]

None because PSD has plenty 😆

[@donbob3343]

Simple answer - a shit load.😂

[@brenttesterman3171]

FMJ must be pretty adequate if all the world's armed forces use it!

[@joecoastie99]

Not the best but it does do the job. It does excel are barrier penetrating over soft points/ hollow points which is a good thing in a war.

[@tundranomad]

FMJ doesn't perform nearly as well to stop people or animals as HP or soft point. Most hunting ammo is either soft point or HP because it is superior to all FMJ. The reason for FMJ in military use is a bit complex, but if you internet search "Hague Convention: Does It Only Allow FMJ vs Hollow Point Ammo?" by Pew Pew Tactical, they explain it very well. But FMJ is better than sticks and stones for sure.

[@constitutionalrepublican1611]

ill choose jsp ammo almost everytime.@@tundranomad

[@chrishappysofar2090]

This is an absolutely idiotic idea!!

[@mcb2757]

reloading is a giant waste of time.

[@brenttesterman3171]

Not if you have a progressive and you enjoy it!

[@joecoastie99]

Not for precision shooters it isn’t.

[@jameshanna8762]

Being able to reload spent brass is a huge money (time) saver. Granted, you can buy factory rounds cheaper than you can reload all new components right now. However, reloading spent brass you already own allows one to reload various rounds, as needed. It gives you flexibility and options according to conditions, as powders and primers can be shared across certain calibers. It is a good skill to have once running to the store or placing an order online is no longer an option. I don't advocate reloading all new components as the primary means to obtain ammo right now, as that WOULD be a waste of money (time). Buying factory rounds, currently, is more economical and convenient than buying all new components to assemble. Save all brass casings, as those can easily be 50%+ of the cost of a factory round.

[@LunarTikOfficial]

Thanks, I am incapable of making my own decisions.. I vote Democrat.

[@herrerajoey2]

Thanks for making our country a better place. Lol

[@chupacabra304]

I need infinite ammo cheat codes 😆 Or even better, infinite money code please if anyone knows send the info

[@richardle7469]

Up,up, down, down, left ,right, left, right a,b,b a. Results may vary

[@constitutionalrepublican1611]

the infinite money cheat code is actually well known, its federal reserve, its neither federal and has no reserve. its literally a cheat from the gate, just keep on printing and faking it until you make it..... its insanity at its finest.

[@tomatopotato1218]

What a scam lmao 😂

[@gregstone8891]

ALL OF IT!!!!

[@007Chancellor]

I'm sure he's legit and well intentioned....but I think having someone else store your ammo is a really bad idea. When the SHTF, I wouldn't count on it getting to me. As @bonjovi2757 said, "If you can't touch it in 15 minutes, you don't really own it."