How Much Doctors Make - Academic vs Private Practice

[@sharshal465]

1st year osteopathic Med student here and your videos are so inspiring! Thank you Dr. Cellini

[@DrCellini]

🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@THEGUZ22]

Great video! Incoming medical student here and would love to see how you tackled finances, specifically investing, during med school and residency. Finances are a topic not spoken nor talked about enough in medicine and I'm sure we would all love to see a video about that in the future!

[@Frucsek]

Dr Cellini You are one of the reasons I am going to medical school next year and inspired to become a radiologist!You are super cool!😊

[@DVMCellini]

don't meet your heroes

[@Loydwrld0]

@@DVMCellini lol 😭

[@chrishernandez295]

Best radiologist out there in NYC Keep up the good work and stay safe out there 🔥🔥🙌

[@DrCellini]

Thx!

[@mariogunner2641]

Pro trick: watch movies at kaldrostream. I've been using them for watching a lot of movies these days.

[@benprince1212]

@Mario Gunner Yea, have been using kaldrostream for since december myself =)

[@joshmcgoo]

My thing about academics is how much you do that you DON'T get paid for, and as a med student on clinical rotations now I don't want to explain ventilator settings to some dumb student like me every other week for my entire career

[@DrCellini]

Lol

[@joshwilliams6317]

You don’t become a physician for the money. You should love what you do and have a passion for it regardless of the pay. Josh (Med Student)

[@joshwilliams6317]

@Bryan W I don’t find it irrational at all. I chose my path to medicine strictly on helping Sick individuals and not for a paycheck. I’m not going to mention what I think I’m worth based on a simple comment. Still, the reality is that I’m blessed to have the opportunity to learn and hopefully someday spread my knowledge to others that comes after me. It is not always about politics, just my unbiased opinion.

[@joshmcgoo]

@@joshwilliams6317 Hey fellow Josh and med student! lol I'm not going into mediine for the money - there are plenty of careers that don't cost 300 grand and all of my twenties. What I AM saying is if I have to choose between a 40 hour per week community gig or an academic gig that pays LESS for MORE work, I'd choose community. I'm married and have a kid on the way - the appeal of teaching isn't worth the other sacrifices, you know?

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

@@joshmcgoobut academics doesn’t pay less if anything those in private practice get paid less with increasing overhead and decreasing reimbursement rates from Medicare and Medicaid and other insurance companies. Plus I heard not all positions at prestigious hospitals are academic positions and many of them are actually clinical positions that have a lot of flexibility. Also lots of potential for incentive bonus pay and you get raises annually at those prestigious hospitals. Also from what I’m aware of you can advance within your department in those hospitals and get into higher positions allowing for more growth.

[@samlukeburton1806]

I'm studying to become a PA here in Scotland. Love the videos!!

[@MSWMW]

I've been an academic anesthesiologist/intensivist for 5 years now and I really wish someone had come up with this list for me PRIOR to me deciding on what type of job I wanted. I think I still would have chose the academic path anyway but man am I feeling the politics of Academic more and more as the years go by. It is the WORST part of practicing medicine. Another terrible thing is that in Academia, they put so much weight on "researchers" that those types get more respect than they deserve in the clinical setting. The worst clinicians I have ever seen are heavy researchers because they dedicate so little of their time and energy to perfecting their clinical skills. I find that I often have to clean up their messes. It is profoundly frustrating.

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

From what I’m aware of though not all positions at big hospitals are academic positions and they also have just hospital type positions for you not to do that research thing and to just be a doctor

[@nailak7948]

Honestly one of the least pretentious Doctor vloggers out there. Love you

[@DVMCellini]

i beg to differ

[@strongDr]

@@DVMCellini Are you too brothers (or related)?

[@connorbrittain939]

It's definitely important to have a liquor cabinet behind the work station.

[@TheOneZepphyr]

Dude, you are hands down one of the best medical vloggers out there. Keep up the great content, every video gets better!

[@Sanyu-Tumusiime]

You inspired me to choose radiology. However as an international in the US, we don’t get the loan forgiveness.... privatize practice is better for us because it allows us to pay loans off quicker

[@themedicinesurvivor8869]

@dr.cellini, please take care of ur plant, in the background.

[@DrCellini]

Haha trying

[@levibeam100]

If you go the private practice route, are you going to do Diagnostic and Interventional Radiology cases? Or will you still be doing IR all of the time?

[@DrCellini]

Both!

[@heehaaification]

Aaah I have my heart set on academia but it hurts knowing that academia pays substantially less whilst I have so much loans to pay off and the public service loan forgiveness is notoriously hard to get....

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

That’s a total myth at times academia pays the same as those in private practice if not more, plus I heard that reimbursement rates for private physicians are decreasing so I’d say those that work at prestigious hospitals are doing fine

[@katttdo]

Technically, can't you still teach students who shadow you as well? :) It's all a win-win!

[@summerdow7149]

I am not sure if you have already made a video on this but if not, it would be a really cool video to see your plan for paying down your med school loans when you become an attending! If you have a certain number of years you want to ideally have your loans paid off, idk I feel as though pre meds and med students don't get a lot of education on this topic and I think it would be really helpful to learn about!

[@saisiddabattula6247]

I have been enjoying your videos. COuld you try to do the same type of videos you have been doing recently (about money, salary, Residency salary, etc.) and do it with Andriana. SHe could talk about the optional fellowships, residencies, etc that you can pursue when you are a PA (and overall salaries, etc.). just an idea. I would like to see that

[@DrCellini]

No problem!

[@saisiddabattula6247]

@@DrCellini Thank you

[@Bogdan_R_d]

You could work another 4 years in an nonprofit and then go to private practice.

[@DrCellini]

Then I’m behind going into a partnership track...

[@richarddurkee4617]

just noticed the new video thumbnails. They’re looking clean.

[@travtrav20]

Thanks for being open and sharing some what MD’s make and what they to go through. If you don’t Munda me asking! Congrats on your success and keep it up! This takes a special person.

[@KeilaC22]

wow I thought you'd be automatically offered a position at the hospital where you completed residency...good to know

[@rachelt2482]

Thank you Dr Cellini, very interesting!

[@DrCellini]

Thx

[@aimeevargas4016]

I’m an SLP graduate student; I completely relate with the weight that comes with deciding where to settle down and what type of job is best for me.

[@salsaplease]

as a PA student.. thank you for respecting/valuing PAs as members of the team! It's so disheartening seeing some doctors not do the same.

[@megyoung9303]

A very experienced RN once told me..."remember - M.D. does not stand for Major Deity!". the docs who do not realize the value of EACH team member, lose, lose, lose. It can be very difficult working with adult brats, tho. Hang in there!

[@BlackJac021]

Hi Dr. Cellini, great video as usual! I thought it was really relevant and insightful particularly for those of us going through the match right now as this info can influence your ROL.

[@aaronfeyh4502]

You are amazing! Fingers crossed I get accepted into RA school.

[@CassandraBarthelemy]

Love that he calls out those who watch but haven’t subscribed 😅 that was me for months but the guilt was too much 😂 subbed!

[@user-gc9sv1so9c]

Your videos are very useful

[@SheByFaith]

Private practice seems to be a better fit for your desired lifestyle!

[@michelegeiger520]

Come to the Lehigh Valley in PA! We have two big teaching hospital organizations in the area (St. Luke’s University Health Network and Lehigh Valley Health Network) and are less than two hours from NYC.

[@pammusick2264]

What’s a reasonable timeline for job offers? When does this year of fellowship end vs when a new job would begin? Wishing you the very best!

[@ErikS-]

I am from Europe, What you see here regularly is a mix: i.e. being both (i) self-practicing; and (ii) part-time connected to a university.

[@TseeDu23]

Have you made a video on your student loan repayment plan? I’d be curious to see what you think about Dave Ramsey etc.

[@DrCellini]

Dave Ramsey is a litttttle over the top...but he is a straight shooter

[@zhaoweizhang919]

Great content, Dr. Cellini! Do Neuro IR and body IR differ a lot when it comes to private practice? Do neurointerventionalists have the similar options as Body Interventionlists, such as partnership track or OBLs?

[@johnwood3071]

I love your content your my favorite KZbinr

[@DrCellini]

then you should subscribe!

[@alphaspartan]

Oof, you got called out, lmao.

[@TWEEK0423]

I'm a first year M1 student and have always been interested in private practice. This video solidified that interest. Thanks.

[@antoinetteljc12]

Loving that bar in the background

[@aqulisbellphd5219]

Congratulations Brother for completing your fellowship..Awesome!!

[@quantumhaze557]

Guys I’m telling private practice is the way to go you get to be your own boss without being constrained by a academic healthcare institution, and is way for profitable if you make the right business, and marketing decisions to make your private practice clinic more lucrative Lastly IS THE FREEDOM

[@GhostPepperMeg]

8:25 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣. Your sense of humor literally makes me LOL OBL is the way to go!! For instance, a Medicare patient having an angio- possible/possible/possible, the MD would get paid around $300-1300 if done in a hospital. OBL- close to $19k!

[@tahmidkarim3686]

I would really appreciate if you can talk about how much an attending diagnostic radiology makes vs an interventional radiologist? Also what work life balance is like in diagnostic vs interventional radiologist

[@CloudslnMyCoffee]

And if the field is going more towards ir since they can do both?

[@AlilishSuki]

What rabbit hole did I fall down. Not training to be a doctor, but really interesting information.

[@mark62891]

I love working with complex patients. I get bored working with the same 10 diagnoses all the time.

[@user-gc9sv1so9c]

I love your videos so much

[@DrCellini]

Thx so much!

[@kevinrivera1723]

I’m a medical student currently in my clinical rotations, and am very interested in DR. Does it matter if one matches to a “lower tier” community residency program? I’ve heard mixed things from a handful of radiologists I’ve asked; some say it then becomes harder to go on to do a fellowship if you’re coming from a “lower tier” community program. Obviously I’ll do my best to match to the best program I can, but just wanting to weigh the risk of not matching to a good program. What’s your take on this?

[@DrCellini]

Yes, it may impact your fellowship, and it may also impact your training as well

[@kevinrivera1723]

@@DrCellini Very good to know. Your videos are super helpful and informative by the way - thanks for taking the time to do all this!

[@southeastAF]

Academic vs non-academics is generally a more appropriate description. Most specialties don't have a large "private practice" presence. Radiology is unique in that there are still a lot of private gigs. I think this can be misleading to those who have no idea what private practice vs hospital based practice is.

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

I know he isn’t in academic practice plus from what I’m aware of is that not all positions at prestigious hospitals are “academic positions” and they also offer clinical positions. Plus in some cases being at a hospital pays far better then that of a private practice position because of the incentive bonuses they receive and the huge salary raises they get as they progress in their department each year and become better. So I think private practice doesn’t need to be glorified I know it’s amazing but if you think about it the insurance companies and billing is mad annoying

[@southeastAF]

@@xplicitgoofy1015 I’m sure you’re right. I think it all depends on the local area. Every area has different group dynamics.

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

@@southeastAF yeah that’s so true like I watch this Orthopedic Spine Surgeon on KZbin who is in private practice and he always complains about his compensation due to the rising overhead and decreasing reimbursement rates. And it’s just so surprising to me because usually orthopedic Spine surgeons that work in big prestigious hospitals live so comfortably and don’t complain as much as he is I mean he said he loves his job but it’s just insane the amount he complains with current circumstances of how our economy is with inflation and everything

[@southeastAF]

@@xplicitgoofy1015 he is complaining because he is going from 2,000,000 to 1.5 million. He’s still making racks- the academic surgeons are not making nearly as much as him. I guarantee this. I worked for 4 years as a PA in spine.

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

@@southeastAF lol he isn’t making 1.5M even, he is barely making 200k per year that’s private practice for you. Also why is working at a hospital considered “academic practice” when you aren’t in an academic position? I know of a spike surgeon who is head of spine surgeon at this prestigious hospital who has a T20 medical school and he is making a 5 million dollar salary. All I’m saying is not all positions at a hospital are considered academia and they very much could have the potential to make a lot. Sure he is the head surgeon of his department but still I’d assume Spine surgeons are making a lot at hospitals like that.

[@diksharawat6490]

Wow... New video 😊☺☺

[@DrCellini]

You know it!

[@alexwyler4570]

Have you heard of anybody that got their student loans cancelled? Teachers lament here the program did not manifest for them even though they qualified.

[@DwayneBellwashere]

Dr C, I love that APP advocacy!!! 3:33

[@oxen84]

Love your social media content, so interesting to listen and see your posts/videos! /A radiology resident

[@jasongualito4091]

Hey just a question what degree did you get before entering Med school ??

[@adamhenderson4711]

I believe he went for economics and then did his prerequisite later on in his life and then went to med school

[@shamrockgirl6595]

Luv your videos. Very educational.

[@kabusharabusha]

As an IR, how much reading vs procedures do you end up doing post-fellowship?

[@MaKaye55]

So...before I even watch the rest of the video (I literally stopped from the beginning to write this comment after eyeing it), I’m gonna need you to explain the story behind the Dr. Mike ‘Hollywood’ Cellini desk name plate. Inquiring minds must know 😁

[@davidp5791]

Go both ways. Impart your knowledge to others while earning a living

[@lovelypolishperson5566]

Are you a genius (as you study to become an MD)? In Poland only the best students score enough points to be accepted in a medical school.

[@maokal]

Fact 1% radiologists will watch this BTW a lot of your audience are not in medical field

[@rotinomaso]

What are some examples of those hybrid academic private practice institutions you mentioned?

[@themedicinesurvivor8869]

great explanation, would love to do observerships with u some day. Ameen.

[@donnawolfe8682]

Cleveland Clinic.....but then I’m partial. Good luck in wherever life takes you.

[@JayTennent]

Hey my dream is to become a radiologist, and I’m going everything I can in school rn to get closer to my goal, and your videos inspire me to kelp going. Thanks for making such great content🙏

[@miguelmaturana8757]

It’s funny how academics is blue and PP is red.

[@baileyharvey9300]

MS2 from Texas here. Can you speak to the ability to work from home as a DR in private practice? In your experience how often does this occur and are groups generally open to this kind of setup? Thanks for your content it lets me see what I get to look forward to for my medical career!

[@DrCellini]

A lot of groups do this

[@dill_lift]

Thanks for the video! Very informative. I'm about to start ortho R1 in Canada. Do these general guidelines apply to the Canadian system as well?

[@siiiply_amy6125]

So you know what it is when my knee keeps clicking

[@CommentsComments]

How much research did you feel was necessary to be a competitive applicant for Radiology residencies? (Considering step 1 is now pass/fail how would that affect your research drive if you were in med school now?)

[@iamtenrose7479]

4 years academic at a non-profit and then private practice lol

[@urielromero5069]

Very interesting general overview of private vs academic IR... thanks for sharing I’ve seen an entire radiology group uprooted by the hospital association for a “cheaper” bigger radiology group..? Also, Ive worked in a hospital that have IRs who bring tremendous revenue to the hospital. My question regarding radiology specialty is: will AI (artificial intelligence) be reading diagnostic images and/or take over certain aspects of radiology specialty...?

[@DrCellini]

Nope. Not anytime soon. I think AI will give us the ability to read faster and read more though

[@pikusarker1359]

Sir how much will you be earning as a radiologist after residency? Nice video.

[@DrCellini]

Depends

[@tariqAli-sz8pm]

@@DrCellini approximately? you are my inspiration..

[@jacobdarnell189]

Hey Dr. Cellini! I’m around here and love your channel! I noticed that in one of you vids that you were wearing a UGA beanie (Go Dawgs btw) and I remember you saying you were from Georgia. I was wondering if you happen to gone to UGA for your undergrad and MCG for your med school and how that whole experience was for you. If you have happen to have already done a vid on this then it would be very helpful to link it! Those are my dream schools and want to know if you went those routes.

[@aqualife88]

He went to PCOM for DO

[@ashog1426]

Im going for PA but I think this could still be useful info thanks 👊

[@Malu-un9tc]

All time watching peoples talk doctor love.

[@andongiordano1896]

Dr. Cellini, Can you talk about corporate (known as PE in Auntminnie) versus real private practice partnership jobs? Are you able to find PP partnership offers in NYC?

[@ohrabbits]

Hey, this is great. Very interesting.

[@sherrydawson6253]

Gosh thank u for explaining how u could be in private practice yet your base is in a hospital. Especially when u mentioned Anesthesiologist groups then the bell really clicked. I'm so excited for u. Wherever u go they will be blessed 😊❤

[@AstroDobleA]

What is the bread and butter in your specialty?

[@futuredockey3695]

Will we be getting content with your private practice members ?

[@Quilter1970]

Will you stay in NY? Will your wife become your PA in the future?

[@sakechung2887]

How hard is it to find a job in private practice?

[@shamrockgirl6595]

I follow Dr. Braly & love her Doctor Reacts videos. Do you do those also?

[@barrykamin8776]

Residents (and fellows) keep attendings on their toes.

[@wholeNwon]

And the Hippocratic Oath requires it.

[@raeruixuezhang8500]

Are other specialties private practice vacation time similar to radiology or IR

[@DrCellini]

Yep!

[@raeruixuezhang8500]

@@DrCellini nice. Thank you. I am MS1 and wanna do IR!! Please make a video on IR salaries that would be awesome!! 👏

[@enghuu5577]

What were your board scores? I wanna go into rads and I wanna have a rough idea of the average at NC. Thanks. Also aren't there jobs like kaiser where who you can work for with higher pay that is non academic but employed by the hospital to qualify for PSLF. And its higher pay than academics.

[@kamtoezenwamadu4321]

I want to be a gynecologist but study nursing first

[@salsaplease]

so do you plan on going to medical school after nursing school? 🤔

[@MrTheblackopsdude]

@@salsaplease Probably BSN then medical school

[@salsaplease]

@@MrTheblackopsdude BSN is nursing school. I am asking bc that seems really difficult. Like the prereqs won't match up properly and you'll probably have to do a post-bach, etc. But if that's what they want more power to you!

[@kamtoezenwamadu4321]

@@salsaplease yes...I'm in grade 12 rn..so I want to get my bsc in nursing then go to medical school..I am from Nigeria but I am schooling in Canada and not yet a citizen

[@kamtoezenwamadu4321]

@@salsaplease Thank you..Goodluck in whatever you want to do in life too

[@lararafalco2156]

Team up with Dr Mike

[@Rh92887]

Would be interested in a video (or comment here) if a new IR attending would take a private practice job in NYC or cash out for 2x the pay in a more rural area?

[@theywalkinguptoyouand4060]

Question, because DR MIKE might delete the comment i made on his channel, are you aware of what Dr Mike did? As a doctor, as someone who supposedly sees patients or knows people who sees patients, do you actually support what he did? Disregarding the law and social diatancing guidelines and posting a half assed apology on his second channel. Are you in support of someone like that? Because you comment and praise him on his channel.

[@hommie789]

What about costs? Like insurance, is it cheaper to get malpractice insurance as an academic or private or it doesn't matter?

[@WeAreObject]

Where do you find these groups to join? Is there a website for PP jobs

[@Paulina1best]

But you could have your own radiology business outside the hospital and run it also

[@Paulina1best]

But keep in mind when it comes to that when it’s private Lyons outside the hospital do you have a basic set up or more elaborate set up depending on what you choose and a lot of them all have different set ups so to speak if that makes sense.

[@Paulina1best]

Just like at a hospital rheology there’s at a hospital surgery centers they are not hospital-based they’re privately owned which you have to privately stab yourself

[@aqualife88]

PS how you liking that Mac OS update lol

[@purplgrits7916]

Now, where? Staying in NYC I bet 🧿🧿🧿

[@DrCellini]

Still figuring that out!

[@fatihemhan]

Hi what are chances for diagnostic resident to not get a IR subspeciality with Esir or traditional pathway?

[@tedschwartz2416]

very interesting

[@mariakrakovski5610]

Do most physician types (from ED to peds to GI) have opportunity to choose between academic vs pp?

[@malavdave8]

Is it easy to switch over to private practice after a few years of academic or vice versa?

[@razasyed575]

We love you miguel

[@tirzahsimone1569]

Are community hospitals a part of academic or private practice?

[@andrewfuentes5826]

How old were you when you went into medical school?

[@pratikpandey9285]

Hey Dr Cellini , i saw your comment on Dr Mike’s Video🤪.... hehe so can we expect a collab in future?🫂😬