HOW MUCH HP WOULD A TRUCK NORRIS CAM MAKE IN A 6.0L? NO TEST DATA-SO LET'S MAKE AND EDUCATED GUESS

TRUCK NORRIS CAM IN A 6.0L? THE BEST WAY TO TELL IS TO TEST, BUT WITH NO TEST YET, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WE "THINK" IT SHOULD MAKE! AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SPECULATE, IN THIS VIDEO, I WALK YOU THROUGH THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHEN GUYS ASK ME HOW MICH POWER THEIR COMBOS MAKE. THERE IS MUCH MORE TO IT THAN A SIMPLE GUESS, SO THE TRUCK NORRIS 6.0L COMBO MAKES FOR A PERFECT EXAMPLE. I WILL RUN THIS TEST AT SOME POINT, SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW CLOSE I GET. FOR NOW, LET'S USE SOME PREVIOUS DATA AND MATH AND COMMON SENSE AND SEE WHAT WE COME UP WITH.

[@brophbroph6795]

I installed this cam in my 2005 3/4 ton suburban 6.0. Without changing torque converter. And this cam is awesome. Had the tune done by mailordertuner. I later put headers and a borla xr1. I love it and so do my neighbors. Ha ha

[@user-xr5vv2sh9p]

It sounds like a lot of people want to see a TBSS 6.0L with a TN cam. Myself included.

[@trevermonk8575]

the 6.0 is rec port, and has a superior intake to the tbss

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

@@trevermonk8575 - incorrect. The earlier LQ4s and LQ9s (6.0L) are cathedral port.

[@trevermonk8575]

@@bluecollarhotrods9781 the engine in this video is rec port lol the original questioner wanted to see an engine that will make more power than the l33 in the video and less than the rec port 6.0l in the video. not much reason to make such a video.

[@54inches]

@@trevermonk8575You mean THAT 6.0 is a rec port and Richard has proven the TBSS and the LS2 have very similar intake results. Not superior.

[@alexanderellis286]

​@@54inchesThe TBSS is a LS2

[@garryharris2082]

I have installed this cam in 6.0s 5.3s, 6.2 trucks NA and turbocharged. It is an awesome cam. The power it makes with cheap supporting mods is hard to bear. All my tuning is done on a chassis dyno and the street. I've had some of its larger brothers in btrs lineup only make a little more hp.

[@ZacharyBraxton-kl5bs]

Good to see a young man putting it together. Have fun and be safe.

[@fiaschifabrications4852]

Been waiting for this video!

[@stackzoverheaddoors454]

What you said in the beginning has changed the way I would research this a very wise quote

[@vikenlink]

Another great video Richard…. Now you MUST test the truck Norris cam in all LS combinations INCLUDING THE LS416 Stroker. Yes sir big task ahead…. Oh and can’t wait to see the XS LS3 intake test on the mentioned rectangular port engines 😊

[@silentbravo]

Awesome, more head testing on LS. Looking forward to it, Thanks for great info

[@toddclark332]

❤,👍😁 yes sir have a great Tuesday Richard

[@jeramiesaathoff9631]

I'm drooling to put it in my l92 6.2l... so this is getting closer to what I am looking for. Have long tube, and hopefully ported stock 8xx heads

[@whitedon6973]

I put one in my L9H 6.2 a couple months ago, I love it. Merging onto the highway is when it shines hahaha

[@phill0406]

For anyone curious, i have a LQ4 that base dynoed at 230. I did 799 heads, ls6 intake and the truck Norris cam, stock converter, it dynoed at 330.

[@richardholdener1727]

a stock lq4 should make more than 230 wheel hp

[@phill0406]

@@richardholdener1727 I should have specified it was a in the vehicle. 3800lbs, 4l80e.

[@richardholdener1727]

wheel hp means in a vehicle-a stock lq4 should make more than 230 wheel hp

[@cc23001]

High altitude? Hot day?

[@phill0406]

@@cc23001 better questions for my tuner than me. I did the mechanical work. What it should and did are different things, all I can say is I have two dynojet sheets that support my comments.

[@thetriode]

When I had the 03 escalade this is what I wanted to do. I just figured that and a TBSS intake and I'd have something that towed well.

[@Cowboy.underwater]

If you ever feel like doing a stupid test, a truck Norris or chapacabra cam would be cool to see tested in a 383 stroker LS with a truck manifold and 705 heads. A buddy of mine is thinking of building one for a rock crawler on Dana 60’s with 40 inch tires.

[@richardholdener1727]

IT WOULD WORK WELL

[@russelljackson7034]

Right on

[@codycopenhaver]

I would like to see this test done with both rec and cath port heads. It’d be interesting to see the torque curve.

[@richardholdener1727]

please see rev vs cath port video

[@codycopenhaver]

@@richardholdener1727 not the same combo

[@regal105]

@@codycopenhaver gonna work the same way

[@Cultofpersonality09129]

@@codycopenhaver ask for help, gets help, says it’s wrong. Get a life.

[@codycopenhaver]

@@Cultofpersonality09129 I didn’t ask for anything, I made a statement. Learn to read.

[@bdugle1]

LY6 with VVT delete is exactly the combo I’m putting in my 71 C10. I hadn’t recalled the SS2 cam results and they’re better than I expected. My cam is yet another BTR, the LS3 stage 2 which has a 225° intake lobe and much more exhaust lobe than the SS2. I had Eric Weingartner do a stock valve job (they needed it!) and mill for a little more compression (0.018”, so about 68cc chambers). Using your guesstimating process, I’d say my combo should be very close to your SS2 results. BTR says their LS3 Stage 2 does about 540 hp on an LS3, but the LY6 is short 22 cu in and about a full point of compression. That lead me to expect closer to 500 hp even and maybe 480 torque. Either way I’ll probably be able to make it to the store and back. Fingers crossed, running this summer!

[@richardholdener1727]

that ls3 stage 2 cam will make more than the SS2

[@Project-gr6zy]

Can you do a video on a motor with absolutely terrible flowing heads and then gradually port and polish to show the gains from just a mild job, in 3 or R steps to a heavy duty port job for a street motor

[@markdewitt9549]

I am building the same setup right now. Ly6 and truck norris cam. Only difference in mine is I installed flattop pistons for better compression to be like an lq9. Not sure how much more that would give it. Should run nice though

[@RealSteelStreet]

3-4% per 1 point in compression is a good rule of thumb👌🏼

[@danlindeke2561]

I'll put my old 12 valve 5.9 Cummins in your test. Might be slower but I'll get there.

[@tolbertgraves2064]

I want to figure out what I should do with my 05 Canyon (EXT Cab) 5speed stock (4Cyl Head gasket shot) I would love to have LS 6-speed and 4.10 (3.43 originally with 5-speed)(4.10 and 6-speed final drive ratio will still have a lower RPM) limited rear-end???

[@timweb1510]

Let’s get it

[@davidhale8573]

I made 401whp in a 1500 with cnc 317’s, ported tbss manifold, longtubes, and supporting mods through a 6L80/4x4 and breathing through a stock muffler, at 22 deg of timing. Drives like stock, still have some fine tuning to do. I’m about to put duals and an LSA on it as well, parts are in the garage.

[@richardholdener1727]

cam?

[@johndelta00]

Notification squad checking in.

[@richardholdener1727]

NOTED!

[@MCxFATIGUE]

I have a sileraydo with a 6.0, 1 3/4 long tubes, 706 heads, and a truck Norris cam. 3in free flowing exhaust. I love it.

[@richardholdener1727]

good combo

[@sovietmonkey2698]

Have u taken it to the dyno? How much hp u pushing?

[@MCxFATIGUE]

@@sovietmonkey2698 nope. street tuned it myself. it's definitely fun to romp on and breaks tires lose pretty easily lol

[@Sir.VicSmasher]

Would like to get a LY6/ 4L80 from a 08/09 Express Van. Who would you call to get one of these take out's from?

[@peted5217]

A 4"stroke 4.075 bore 6.2 block with 10.75 comp , SD LS6+ cam , orig 2005 GTO Heads, rear wheel dynoed 405hp in same 6spd car ,with near flat 2500-6000 torque curve that peaked @ 410. Owner doesnt need 1st gear anymore 11:22

[@danielfound6793]

Hi Richard | love your work! I know ever engine is different but what timing turbo Is on e85 like??

[@richardholdener1727]

20-21 degrees on e85 with an intercooler at the hp peak

[@HioSSilver1999]

On cathedral port stuff the intake isn't quite as good and the tb is to small. Cathedral stuff responds to those modifications better because that's where they're lacking. I bet a fast or ported truck intake and tb would pick up a cathedral 6.0 about 20hp....it definitely made a good difference on my 6.0.

[@eddie_d4974]

So I should have put new heads on my LQ4, that’s what I got from this :)

[@pico67ss]

Has anyone measured the runners in truck ls intake

[@C6Z06J]

Richard. I’d be really interested to see a stock lq4. Stacked up against a lq4 with Truck Norris, TBSS intake, and 706 heads. I’m running this exact setup in my old work truck. And it’s noticeably more powerful across the board. It would be fun to see real #’s. Might give some of the other 2500hd guys some hope. Mine was somewhat gutless before

[@darkcloud3662]

I have basically the same set up but with stock truck intake in a 2500hd too. Seems to be a little above stock in torque below 3000rpm. Does seem to come alive more above 4000rpm. Have it set to 6000rpm shift points. Does good for a heavy truck. Think I am going with ls3 heads and lsa blower soon. Can't beat pds for lowend torque

[@Smokeroux]

Same set up here, but in a Jeep Scrambler. Love the Torque!

[@HioSSilver1999]

Have yall dragy'd your trucks? I have some bolt ons on my lq4 and some very mild tuning. I only like backing up what i do with hard numbers. My 03 6.0 2500hd excsb 4x4 ran 15.2@93 with 33s....still on the stock cam. It's likely faster now as i have eliminated more tm i just haven't backed that up yet. It has oe 4.10 gears but i have since upsized the tires to 305/70 17. It needs some gear in it now.

[@Smokeroux]

@@HioSSilver1999 I might have skunked some imports from light to light. No high speed drags on 40yr old Lifted Jeep on 35’s. It also needs Hydroboost breaks due to the torque.

[@boosted98acura]

​@HioSSilver1999 my 05 rclb 2wd 2500h consistently does 14.1-14.3 at 98-99mph on the street. Lq4 with BTR stg2 truck cam(version 1), long tubes, stock catback, airraid intake. I have 706 heads for it that i ported slightly. Someday they'll go on along with a tbss intake.

[@Ccwm7089]

Hello!! I just added a TruckNorris n my LQ4, swapped 1/2ton, 4x4, E85, ‘04 Suburban. 317, springs, c/a intake, & E85 tune. Now I’m n need of 50lb injectors, my tuner said I’m runnin 122% duty cycle. Now, this is my 4th cam trial, & my 2nd LQ4. My 1st cam setup was a used stock LS6 cam w/a set of LS7 1:8 rockers. This combo ran & pulled better than this current T/N cam does. Unfortunately, that whole rocker angle didn’t work on the 317 heads, it flat spotted the valve stems & the rockers. The 2 middle camshafts, I can’t remember any of the specs? The 2nd just did not work whatsoever!! They thought the LSA was to wide, I gave up & ran the 3rd cam ‘til the O-ring on oil pickup tube cracked. Hence, this current combo. Question is, what are that LS6 & 1:8 rocker combo numbers? & why did it seem to outperform & pull this T/N cam?

[@richardholdener1727]

couple things here-you can't run ls7 rockers on a cath port heads-the rocker mounting location is different on the two heads (has nothing to do with ratio change). A Truck Norris would have much more average power gain than a factory LS6 cam

[@Ccwm7089]

Hello! Thx, for the response! I did run the LS7 1:8’s on the factory stock 5.3, w/a handheld tuner. That 5.3 had the leaky heads, & put the GM coolant in the crankcase. Swapped in an LQ4, w/the LS6 cam, & took the LS7 rockers to the 317 heads. Probably ran those rockers 20k miles? It flat topped the rockers & valve stems.

[@toddclark332]

❤ got it boys 😁💪

[@creverett9]

big bang 2v!!

[@richardholdener1727]

YES

[@CaptainCurt07]

*Whats it sound like u know we all need that chopipty chop*

[@AndrewHemstreet]

I do the same "math" to compare tires tested by tirerack that weren't tested side by side

[@richardholdener1727]

I LOVE THEIR TIRE TESTS

[@bradyfeinauer7089]

Hey Richard I have a lq4 with a TN cam, trick flow 220 cnc heads, long tube headers. I was wondering ball park what it makes and how much I would gain with a TBSS intake.

[@richardholdener1727]

tbss would likely be 15 or so

[@natricjol]

SS2 6.0 power band looks similar to the 5.3. You could almost overlay them onto each other. You could use the overlay of the 5.3 SS2/Truck Norris on the SS2 6.0 and get a good guess at where the Truck Norris 6.0 would land. I'm figuring way more low end torque with a similar peak but hp around 465-475.

[@richardholdener1727]

the SS2 6.0L made 514 hp. The SS2 5.3L made 441 hp. Not similar

[@natricjol]

@@richardholdener1727 I mean the shape of the power bands looks similar. I bet if they were overlaying one another or on the same graph, you could use that information to interpolate, roughly, how the Truck Norris would do with the larger engine.

[@hotdog9262]

@@natricjol was a bit surprised on the calculation he did in the end. thought the truck norris cam would make significantly more tq from 3 - 4,5k rpm compared to the ss2, like it did on the 5.3

[@hotdog9262]

looking at it again he most likely talked about peak torque

[@sportsmansparadice42]

Thought you were going to do the test.

[@redneck7061]

What do you think a lq4 317 heads truck norris stage 1 with dual plane intake with a 2 barrel or 4 barrle style Holly sniper fuel injection with 1 3/4 long tube headers with mufflers on would make n/a and with centrifugal supercharger at around 4 lbs boost on a 1500-6000rpm pull? Maybe compare with 706 and rec port heads to the 317 heads?

[@richardholdener1727]

4 psi?

[@randysmallwood7577]

Great work! Thanks for what you do with these tests. I have an odd one for you. Stock bore LQ4 with LSA heads (ported out 75% of the wings) and a cam that is 219 intake 228 exhaust and .604 lift on INT/EXH 112 +4. What numbers would that do? How would my cam compare with a Truck Norris cam.

[@richardholdener1727]

no idea what ported out 75% of the wings means

[@randysmallwood7577]

@@richardholdener1727 The LSA heads have a deflector wing (hump) on the intake port , supposedly for mixture tumble??? I ported only that area out so they look like LS3 heads now.

[@randysmallwood7577]

The heads have LS3 valves and PAC beehive 1219X springs.

[@richardholdener1727]

510-525 hp if I had to take a guess-not knowing how well the heads are ported or what intake is on there

[@randysmallwood7577]

Thanks! It has the stock LS3 intake and stock injectors@@richardholdener1727

[@stuffandjunkandthings364]

I put way more thought into this than ought to be legal, but my numbers came up to close enough to the same torque to not matter, but 492hp. I based my assumption on the fact you have run the BTR truck cams in the ly6, and the same cams on the 5.3, and the truck norris is a few HP up on the stage 3 truck cam, and that was at 490hp. What I'm curious about is how well the power will hold out past 6200 rpm. With th 4.8 there is very little drop off, the 5.3 seems to drop a few (more pronounced when you're using the FAST manifold, for some reason)- but at what rpm the LY6 will produce peak HP, and how much it will still be making at 6500 is what intrigues me.

[@pimpovic2]

The drop off in higher rpms is due to the fact that displacement eats up rpm on the high end when using the same cam. For a larger displacement motor, you'd want to change the duration to keep the rpms in similar territory. There's an 11% change in displacement, so you could roughly calculate an 11% shift in rpm range. So a 6300 rpm peak on the 5.3 would translate to roughly 5600 rpm on the 6.0 motor. It's not completely 1:1 but it gets you in the ballpark.

[@felipeiturra1459]

Master 🫶

[@greg2hood]

I just got a lq4 motor came with the 317 heads I'm going to switch the Pistons to lq9 what heads should I go with to be able to run one of these cams and do I have to replace any pushrods lifters or valves and if so which ones do you recommend

[@richardholdener1727]

pushrod length will depend on the heads and cam you pick. lifters and rockers and valve all remain stock. The 799/243 stock cath heads offer a good power gain over the 317 heads, so do the factory rec-port heads, or any after market heads.

[@l8tapex]

LY6 (LS3 heads) truck ,long tubes open exhaust. Better push rods and better cam springs, HP tuner/ dyno tuned. Not to 500 Hp. But parasitic and drive train loss should not account for over 110 HP. Dont know but it is nice for the heavy 2500.

[@hondatech5000]

I mean you can’t guess on high tech stuff like flipping the pushrods or dimpling the main bearings. But I feel like this method gives and educated guess on stuff like what’s this cam gonna do in this engine.

[@richardholdener1727]

I do like the dimpled main bearings

[@hondatech5000]

@@richardholdener1727 it’s worth + or - 20% 🤣

[@richardholdener1727]

AT LEAST

[@LuisCruz-ru2mj]

Hey Richard I am running a 6.0 lq4 bored .30 over with flat top pistons, trickflow 225 Gen X heads and the fast lsxr intake with their big mouth 102 throttle body around how much hp do you think I can get

[@richardholdener1727]

CHECK OUT THE TFS VS LS3 HEAD VIDEO

[@jolujo5842]

I have a 6.0 iron Vortec L96/94? in my 3500 express running a 6 speed Allison tranny. I am pretty sure it carries rec port heads. Will deleteing the VVC cam mechanism and adding a Sloppy or Truck Norris cam really be a good move?

[@richardholdener1727]

YES

[@woodyrinker1530]

I’d love to see a Truck Norris on a 5.3 and a VS gen THREE 78/75 on E85 Really just the gen 3 vs the older generations. Not much info out there on it

[@richardholdener1727]

PLEASE SEE THE TRUCK NORRIS TURBO VIDEO FOR YOUR ANSWER

[@woodyrinker1530]

@@richardholdener1727oh, nice! Thanks for the info. Mind if I ask what springs you typically run for boost? I have a 706’s with single 560 beehives. I’m looking to push 15-18lbs and wondering if I’ll run into any float

[@richardholdener1727]

If I was running near 20 psi, I would have good springs

[@justinturdeau2383]

Richard must go nuts running these and getting the questions. So! Therefore for the sake of clicks and views on YT (the reason why anybody does these videos) Richard .. you need to run the BTR TN cam on a 6.2L vs bigger cams. THINK OF THE VIEWS MAAAAAN!!

[@richardholdener1727]

If you think Richard does dyno testing for views, what was his reason for doing it before You Tube was even a thing, or before he was on Your Tube (that is only very recent). Nice try though

[@andrewsimon7818]

I have a 1985 comaro , i have a 6.0 out of a Chevy silveroda, it has a stage 3 truck problem cam and a 4l80 trans with a 2500 to 2700 stall , im a first timer and doing a lost of guessing, does this combo sound good? Please some advise

[@richardholdener1727]

yes-good combo

[@gentilejoshsaved1646]

Hello, Where can I find a rectangular port 6.0? What years and models had them? Thanks

[@jeffwooton7138]

My '09 2500HD has them. They may have started in '07. But they go all the way to 2019, when they switched to DI.

[@fridgeopener236]

How close to the LY6 results might you get with an LQ4 w/ 862 heads and TBSS intake?

[@fridgeopener236]

Actually I see you made 513hp 483tq with a stock LY6 with 706 heads and a 459 cam. That's basically the same setup as an LQ4 w 862 heads. The cam would make the difference. So it's the a comparison between the 459 cam and the TN there.

[@diegov8191]

Wondering on stock LQ4 with a trucknorris cam and upgraded valve springs horsepower be ? And a 5.3 L59 with a trucknorris cam and uprgraded valve springs would be?

[@richardholdener1727]

the l59 question is answered in the l33 dyno results

[@diegov8191]

The L33 made 424 hp and 415 lb with the truck norris cam. On the video you mentioned that you’ve ran LQ4 with 317 heads with this cam and it made 405hp. My question was does the 5.3 with the truck norris cam make more horsepower than an LQ4 with a truck norris cam.

[@richardholdener1727]

I SAID A STOCK LQ4 MADE 405 HP WITH A STOCK CAM-NOT ONE WITH A TN CAM

[@diegov8191]

@@richardholdener1727 thank you for you quick response and knowledge on the Ls engines.

[@AccuSol-ERN]

Nice. If I have a LQ4 (107k miles) in stock trim and want 500hp.......is it better to have the factory cathedrals professionally ported or spend the money towards a new set of aftermarket heads?

[@richardholdener1727]

500 flywheel hp is just a cam

[@willmilberger5307]

@@richardholdener1727 Which one would you prefer?

[@AccuSol-ERN]

@@richardholdener1727 you mean cam, tune, and headers. I thought in the video you said cathredal heads will limit hp even with the TN cam to a little over 400hp.

[@cc23001]

​@@AccuSol-ERN TN isn't really the cam if you're going for 500

[@dickhertz5973]

I haven't seen anything on a 6.2 L92 or L94 with a Truck Norris cam and beehive valve springs, what would your extrapolations be for horsepower and torque for this combination?

[@richardholdener1727]

TN Would easily add 50+ hp to your 6.2L

[@thetxwildchild]

​@@richardholdener1727 awesome I think I'll pull the trigger for a truck Norris or a chopcorbalra for my 6.2 L9H I love the videos! I should be able to run without a stall.....

[@kevinleggett7985]

Hey got a question. I have a LQ9 with Cathedral heads. Id love over 500 hp in my truck. I have been watching you for months with the cam results. I plan to get the BTR truck norris cam, LSX intake. Which heads do you think I should go with?

[@richardholdener1727]

do you have a set of 243 heads-then port them or check out the tfs 225 head video

[@kevinleggett7985]

@@richardholdener1727 as of now still stock heads

[@marcowens-gq5sy]

​@@richardholdener1727 799 heads ported vs 243 heads ported which ones are the best for power?

[@adamezell1200]

I have 01 gmc sierra 1500c3 awd 6.0ls with truck Norris came with 243 heads ported polished, long tubes an tbs intake big fuel upgrade all the goodies kinda curious what mine would make don't have awd dynos around to get full exact numbers unfortunately.

[@richardholdener1727]

can't you run it in 2wd?

[@jonspink4035]

Did you ever get a hp number. Trying to put some info together. Im thinking about doing the same build with my truck?

[@user-yh9tb8vk2r]

I think you should test a 6.0 lq4 with stock 317 to some 5.3 862 heads to see how much it picks up.

[@richardholdener1727]

I have

[@dhall4643]

Hey buddy I'm looking for some guidance on cam recommendations for 6.2 in a 2500 work truck that will be towing regularly. Thanks for your help.

[@richardholdener1727]

btr truck norris

[@dhall4643]

Thanks

[@manueljohnson6301]

Whats your theme song called

[@AlchemistHawk]

Any chance of LS7 testing? I just got a Z/28 and I wanna play with it.

[@richardholdener1727]

I HAVE 427 VIDS UP-ALSO SEE LS7 HEAD TEST VID

[@williammendez6654]

What stall converter would go good with this cam on a non turbo 6.0 LQ9 with 4L60?

[@richardholdener1727]

stock on a 6.0l

[@williammendez6654]

@@richardholdener1727 Thank you. Love your videos.

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

3000 stall, I have a stock converter and it's a pig down low. Going from 4.10 to 4.56 gears helped some. Next stop... 3600 stall.

[@user-tl2ns5bw2f]

I have a lq4 with 317 cathedral heads with a Brian Tooley Truck Norris cam. Am I understanding that it should be around 400 horsepower??

[@richardholdener1727]

easily at the flywheel

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

Not at the wheels...

[@romangarza7561]

How would increasing compression from the 9.6 up to around 10.7ish ?

[@richardholdener1727]

it would add 3-4% of power

[@Underbiteoutdoors]

Rich you got me confused here brother. Your 6l stroker vs 6.2l destroker vid, you showed results of a stock lq4 just with open headers and it showed just a tickle over 400hp(surprised me). But in this video you said with the same set up but with the sloppy cam it was low 400? Does that cam really not like lq4 that much? What im trying to figure out.. is what would a stock lq4 make with the truck norris. On the crank. As something like this would but a perfect cheaper setup for a marine application. P.S. Im building a lq4 for my jetboat and im looking for information. Lq4, 317 heads(slightly honed and cleaned up), bored .30 over, wiseco flat top pistons(better compression), ls3 intake, truck norris cam with springs. Its gotta be pushing 500hp!!????

[@richardholdener1727]

I have never run an SS2 on an LQ4-the statement was the LQ4 makes 405 in stock trim, the LY6 made 443 in stock trim.

[@cc23001]

LS3 intake with 317 heads? Lol not ideal

[@Underbiteoutdoors]

@@cc23001 well there's a learning moment. Guess I'm using the ugly AF truck intake. FFS.. whats your guess on this set up? Has to be atleast 500hp? No?

[@cc23001]

@@Underbiteoutdoors there's a video series where Richard showed what it would take to get 4,5,6,7 and hp out of each displacement, I'd go hunting for those. But a better alternative intake would be the "TBSS/NNBS" from the 07.5-13 trucks. It's not a beauty queen but looks better than and has a bigger throttle body and will add power over the gen3 truck intake. A set of 243/799 heads would add even more compression and a more efficient combustion chamber, bringing up the power too. Not sure if it's necessary to meet your goal of 500 but it would allow you to run a more tame (smaller) cam and have a more broad power curve and still hit your goal. Hope that helps bud, happy motoring

[@Underbiteoutdoors]

@@cc23001 OK yea I looked up and watched those videos, definitely helped answer questions. I'm looking for a set of 799 heads, first time porting stuff and I blew through the rocker mounting bolt hole. I'm aware people have just sealed the hole off with loctite or whatever but I like piece of mind. Gonna get the adapter Plate for the ls3 intake. I'm hoping with those changes I should hit my 500hp mark. Ive also been recommended by cam motion this custom cam (XA220/365-XA232/355-10+4). Which is quite abit different then the truck norris cam spec. I havnt taken the time to see if Richard has tested something similar to those cam specs on a 6l. Thanks for the input, any and all of it is much appreciated. I'm a mechanic by trade but new to the engine building side of the trade.

[@gearhead7896]

2 Quick questions; what casting number head did you have on the LY6 (I assume 5364, 823) and when are you going to get a 2 piece timing cover? I think you're correct. It will make more than 500 HP in a 6.0. My calculated numbers match your L33 example within a few HP but my numbers don't agree with your 6.0 numbers. I show that it will be more in the 530-540 range (532 specifically), but that seems too high. I would bet the bank the TN will have more torque than the SS2 just based on the LSA. Maybe I"m wrong? Now it's time to test. I'm looking forward to this test.

[@richardholdener1727]

IT WON'T BE NEAR 540 HP

[@gearhead7896]

​@@richardholdener1727 If I apply the same % based on the SS2 and what you measured with the LY6, I get 507 HP with the TN in the LY6. Yes, I agree the SS2 in the LY6 should and will make more HP based on lift alone. Theoretically, the difference in max horsepower between the TN and the SS2 is only 7 HP in the LY6.

[@richardholdener1727]

LIFT IS NOT WHY

[@gearhead7896]

​@@richardholdener1727 You don't think that lift is as important as I do, that is clear. Maybe I'm making it too important. Lower lift with a longer duration and higher lift with a shorter duration will both increase flow through the head, thus producing power. Doing both even more power. Usually, I can estimate power within reason because the theoretical power should always be more, if the data is correct. I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong on this setup. Please tell us, what head is on the LY6 and be specific. If I've missed a video where you tell the casting number, I apologize, but I don't think you have. Judging by your other videos this LY6 had it's heads swapped at least 4 times.

[@markdewitt9549]

Ly6 have 823 heads

[@navorgonzalez2744]

Where do you get the sloppy stage 2 cam

[@richardholdener1727]

Elgin-I have one for sale

[@orion2250]

I just would like a uber torque bolt on 04 LQ9 running reasonable RPM on the street.

[@richardholdener1727]

truck norris

[@parvaflorum]

Richard I'm having problems with my Truck Norris cam. My tuner is saying that this cam is the reason my truck dies at stop lights and runs rich as heck. Please help? 6.0, 799 heads custom built, flat top pistons with valve relief, stock torque converter.

[@richardholdener1727]

it is the tuner-not the cam-many, many people run this cam-especially with a 6.0L

[@parvaflorum]

Thanks. I'm taking this back to Mike Norris (coincidental name) in Plainfield Indiana after the first of the year to get this sorted.

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

@@parvaflorum I know Mike, he used to have a shop in Orlando. He tuned my 2000 Z28 about 20 years ago. He should be able to get you sorted out. My friend Dennis is also a good source in Indiana - Redline Tuning.

[@markleyj32]

I use to have the same issue and it just went away. GMC Sierra 5.3 4l60 4x4 swapped to a 6.0 4l80. it was tuned after complete. had bought a $250 o'reilly's stock converter (huge mistake) my transmission was running hot and it use to want to cut off on me at lights and stop signs. Just bought a circle D 2800 torque converter. looking forward to seeing how she drives after might get it re tuned since ya are saying thats why she wants to turn off some times. thanks

[@parvaflorum]

I took it back to Mike. I had him keep it for 3 days instead of a 2 hour tune. This time he did several cold starts and "tuned it for low end response" whatever that means. Runs great now.

[@derekr1854]

Thinking of getting a truck that has a chuck norris in a lq4. Get rid of those junk 317 heads and put ls6 heads on and wake that baby up lol.

[@Vettespeed]

but are you going to be at LS FEST????

[@richardholdener1727]

not west

[@pmd7771969]

So the guys have been telling me that Brian tooleys cams spec out different then what is claimed. You have to check it manually. Bloodviking

[@richardholdener1727]

no

[@BiGGBLUNT1]

Any 5.7 ls videos?

[@richardholdener1727]

yes lots

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

My thoughts... depends on the intake manifold used, heads, etc. The BTR Truck Norris and Texas Speed CHOPacabra made nearly identical power in your L33 test of 4 cams recently. I have: LQ4, 862s, TBSS intake and 92mm TB, CHOPacabra cam, headers, exhaust, tune, etc. It did 336 RWHP. I have a 4L80E and heavier than stock wheels and tires. All that said, I don't think it's unreasonable to say it's losing up to 22% in driveline losses. By the math, and the test you did from engine dyno to chassis dyno... I think if we yanked the engine out of my truck and stuck it on the engine dyno - somewhere around 430-440 @ the crankshaft is my guess. Definitely no more than 450 HP.

[@richardholdener1727]

THE STOCK LQ4 WAS 40 HP DOWN ON THE "STOCK" LY6

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

@@richardholdener1727 That said, I would think that my estimate is pretty close then for a cathedral port set up like mine. It would take a great set of cathedral port heads and a FAST 102 to catch up to the rec port set up IMO.

[@burnz3132]

One reason I love my dual clutch manual dog box is less is losses! But I’m pretty sure 15%-25% loss is average on most. Maybe more depending on your diff and axel type. BC your the man!!

[@burnz3132]

CVT losses with any extra power is crazy!! Belt slip is real!! Lmao

[@richardholdener1727]

I THOUGHT THE CVT WAS LOSS PRONE TOO-TIL I RACED STEVE BRULE IN HIS CVT NISSAN VERSA AGAINST MY MANUAL 6-SPEED VERSA (BASICALLY A DEAD HEAT)

[@markgarland4532]

So, You mentioned that the 6.0L with cathedral port heads would make less horsepower than rectangular port heads. (Which should be a given.) But you didn’t mention what type of torque you would see with the cathedral port heads. I would be curious to know that number.

[@richardholdener1727]

the cath head only makes more torque below 4000 rpm

[@markgarland4532]

@@richardholdener1727 , I understand that. I was just curious as to if you think difference in low end torque would be minor or substantial? I have often pondered if the truck Norris camshaft would be a good choice for my daily driver with an LQ4 that presently has a very mild towing camshaft.

[@RealSteelStreet]

@@markgarland4532 so far, I’m NOT impressed with the ‘feel’ of the low end torque with a Truck Norris…but especially not with the stock converter, although it is designed to ‘run with it’ 🙄 The 2500 TBSS stall definitely helped BUT the wife’s Yukon is still a slug out of the hole…even with a 275/40 tire (almost 3.5” less diameter than the stock 275/55s. 32” down to 28.6”) and a ‘not too shabby’ 3.42 stock gear. Which is supposed to make the ‘effective gear ratio’ feel like a 3.73 by comparison 🤦🏻‍♂️ Definitely gonna be some 4.11s installed in the very near future just to get this pig up and moving. All that being said, mf will ROLL from 4000 rpm on for some odd reason👌🏼 Now, I did let a buddy install it (cuz he needed the money) even though that’s against my religion and I’m hoping the cam timing isn’t retarded by 4° or some shit!! Surely not, I wouldn’t think that’d be an ‘easy’ mistake to make, I don’t think so…God I hope not now 😳

[@RealSteelStreet]

@@markgarland4532 I should’ve mentioned this is in a 5.3 Tahoe though, NOT a 6.0👌🏼

[@markgarland4532]

@@RealSteelStreet , I also have a Yukon with a 5.3L (2WD with factory 4:10 gear) so what you are sharing is valuable to me and much appreciated. I do have to ask if you have tweaked the tune since changing the camshaft. I found that was necessary after I replaced the camshaft in my 6.0L. And that camshaft is really mild.

[@dustinhoel9174]

Rec port heads and intake are for l good for 100ish hp??

[@richardholdener1727]

what are you comparing?

[@dustinhoel9174]

@Richard Holdener maybe I misunderstood but you said v the lq4/lq9 with a cam made closer to 404hp and the ly6 with cam made 515?

[@richardholdener1727]

THE STOCK LQ4 MADE 405 HP, THE STOCK LY6 MADE 443 HP (I NEVER RAN AN LQ4 WITH A SS2 OR TN CAM)

[@dustinhoel9174]

@@richardholdener1727 ok thanks, I misunderstood

[@02chev]

If I have a stock 6.0 lq4 with stock dished pistons and a set of 243 heads, can I run the 469 cam from your 100hp/liter video with no piston to valve clearance issues? Or would I be better off using a 459 cam and milling down the head? Looking to get north of 550 at the crank. Thanks in advance!

[@richardholdener1727]

both the 459 and 469 cams have near identical p-v, and a dish piston on the ls doesn't change where the valve hits-both of those cams fit stock p-v

[@02chev]

@@richardholdener1727 thank you Richard! Learning everything I can from you while building my 6.0! Now that I know the 469 will fit I will be running that cam with my 243 heads and a tbss intake! Can’t wait to get it running.

[@dankeene9637]

Why don"t you just run it on a 6.0?

[@ShawnGilbert1967]

I agree AND all that lower torque that sloppy uses would be higher on the 6.0L with the truck Norris one would think... Lol

[@richardholdener1727]

these two would do the same thing on a 6.0L-just start and end higher

[@YLTMauto]

Test a sloppy 3 in a 6.2 with Trailblazer ss intake vs a sheet metal ebay intake. I believe the tbss intake will make 30 more hp

[@richardholdener1727]

short-runner, sheet metal (sniper style) usually makes a touch more peak, but less through the majority of the curve

[@YLTMauto]

@richardholdener1727 the ebay 300.00 intake. Guys buy them for the look. GM spend millions on developing one part. Lol. That sloppy 3 is almost like the lsx454 cam just different lobe separation angle and a little more lift.

[@randywilliams4325]

Some body that’s good at math could probably do the estimate with an algebra equation . It’s amazing what a rec port 6.0 will make with very little work .

[@richardholdener1727]

ALGEBRA WON'T GET YOU THERE

[@tolbertgraves2064]

​@@richardholdener1727 I think he was talking about a spreadsheet: Dyno already gives a spreadsheet.. The more Data points for a camshaft, the easier to guess...

[@keith6872]

224/224@.050, 106 lsa, installed at 102 degree advance. Take a guess what the power will be.

[@richardholdener1727]

ON WHAT?

[@cpwood2888]

Knock, knock

[@keith6872]

I thought the topic was 6.0, but 5.3, 5.7 would be OK.

[@QuicKurtZX14R]

496/487

[@GLC1193]

I was guessing my gen 3 LQ9, stock manifolds (intake and exhaust) , with a Truck Norris is roughly 425hp, 400 ft lbs.

[@richardholdener1727]

IT WOULD BE MORE AT THE FLYWHEEL

[@GLC1193]

@Richard Holdener that's good to know. The awd drive system of the Denali isn't too kind with power consumption.

[@harperjmichael]

Has everyone given up on "The Best Cam"?

[@richardholdener1727]

given up?

[@sportsmansparadice42]

I'm guessing 500hp 500 foot pounds of Torque

[@tolbertgraves2064]

I thought you were going to compare Truck Norris cam in a 4.8L and 5.3L: then compare Sloppy Stage 2 in 4.8L and 5.3L and 6.0L to guess what the Truck Norris cam will do... That seems close enough to predict the power that you are using though... The only real way is to run the cam in 6.0L...

[@richardholdener1727]

I did do that-just with the 5.3L (only needed 3 data points to find the 4th)

[@timweb1510]

373

[@RealSteelStreet]

More than that AT the wheels👌🏼

[@shaneshane1379]

This makes me sick! When i was in high school, i put a isky mega cam in my truck. Iy ran like crap and made everything worse. Then i got a crane fireball cam and the truck ran a little better than stock. This LS mess makes me made because they already have everything a person needs to make 500 hp qith cam change. Man what would i have done back then with a LS 6 litre.

[@Dvxit]

400hp

[@richardholdener1727]

AT THE TIRE

[@aakar1s]

Stupid math from me: Let's compare gains on the 5.3; we have 76 hp for the SS2, and 59 for Truck Norris => 76/59=1.28813...; gain on the 6.0 for the SS2 was 71 hp, so: 71/1.28813=55hp. I am guessing 498 hp; within 3 hp of your predictions.

[@richardholdener1727]

math misses an important point

[@aakar1s]

@@richardholdener1727which is? I'm here 'cause I love engines and want to learn from your experience. Your videos are catnip to my brain!!

[@richardholdener1727]

I TAALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE ON THE LIVE FEED-THE TN CAM HAS A MUCH WIDER INTAKE TO EXHAUST SPLIT THAN THE NEAR SINGLE PATTERN SS2 (I THINK THAT WILL HURT PEAK POWER MORE ON THE SS2 ON THE 6.0L THAN THE TN)

[@aakar1s]

@@richardholdener1727 Oh ok, thanks for your response, and Godspeed with your projects.

[@oldschool6268]

I got a Bruce Lee cam ! 😂

[@hex214pony]

Or is it that LEE-TEC??? 😂

[@cuzz63]

So all show and no go?

[@sstevocamaro]

The cammed 5.3 made about the sane as a stock rec port 6.0. I wouldn’t even waste my time camming a 5.3 unless it’s boosted

[@cc23001]

Lol what??😂😂 So keep it stock?

[@unclesquirrel6951]

Personally I blame squirrels and camshafts

[@deanstevenson6527]

Mee², But I'm always biased towards Squirrel and Camshaft whispers

[@RonaldReed-ul9du]

Damn those squirrels, damn them all to hell!

[@scottleach2270]

I want to put truck Norris in a 408..

[@deanstevenson6527]

It's called a Linear Interpolation. 🥝✔️🇳🇿

[@richardholdener1727]

MINE WAS NON LINEAR

[@deanstevenson6527]

@@richardholdener1727 ❤️‍🩹✔️😉

[@joe-hp4nk]

What's the big deal, there are many cams that will do better.

[@raymonejohnson1625]

U did all that and didn't text it 🙄 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@richardholdener1727]

I have not Text it yet!

[@kennyrmurray]

Pretty cool, but not to be a dummy, but they couldn’t come up with a better name than that? Lol

[@richardholdener1727]

TRUCK NORRIS IS LIKELY THE MOST WELL RECOGNIZED AND POPULAR NAME EVER APPLIED TO AN LS CAM

[@kennyrmurray]

@@richardholdener1727 I know. Maybe I was just picking on them lol

[@gearhead7896]

it's all marketing, buddy. There have been cams on the market for probably 10 years with a similar cam profile and LSA and BTR is selling these like hot cakes.