TRUCK NORRIS VS BTR TRUCK CAMS. HOW DOES THE TRUCK NORRIS LS CAM COMPARE TO STAGES 1-4 TRUCK CAMS?

[@maclogan6872]

Richard “just the facts” Holdener - an engineer showing us what the parts really do. Hope you keep doing what you’re doing.

[@swmo_SS]

The most straightforward source of any engine data I really need. It’s insane how much he’s had access to in his career

[@Pyle81]

After seeing what one of these Truck Norris cams actually does in the wild. Where the engine had stock OEM flat top pistons with a TBSS intake and a set of out of the box Summit headers with a full exhaust to the back of the car (1980 Monte Carlo) running a 4l60E trans. I was very happy with the performance and even the fuel mileage that this performance cam provided. And is why we went with the same cam and flattop OEM pistons and 862 heads for our 5.3 LM7 build thats going in our 86 Camaro in the spring. If it makes anywhere near the 400 hp (NA) we will be very happy with what we have. Having a nice street car (with AC) With 400 hp on pump gas thats getting 20 plus MPG is about all you can ask for these days.

[@sbranham86]

What to know when ordering OEM flat tops for a 5.3? I was interested in using flat tops but wasn’t sure which to order

[@bobbieprice1351]

Which is best for my stock 2007 Tahoe to delete the cylinder deactivation and for best mpg and Towing?

[@michaelblacktree]

Looks like Truck Norris roundhouse-kicked all the "stage" cams right off the stage. 😉

[@melissamalone1530]

I've been wondering how the norris would compare to the stage 3 or 4 Btr v2 truck cams now you answered my thoughts

[@Pedroalz1336]

Richard is the man Seriously, he has been the main source of info for my engine build since I decided to pull it and build my 5.3. I’ve watched just about every video including “the other guys” episodes as they Will come in handy for my future boat engine build. Stay awesome Richard!

[@WelshKennelzCombine_DMV]

✍🏿

[@renwickconolly2839]

The BEST AUTOMOTIVE CHANNEL ON KZbin...

[@user-ju3ns2cz1u]

NOW we need to see VVT cams vs TRUCK NORRIS on LS engines!!

[@jeffwooton7138]

Thank you for putting in the work. I truly appreciate all that you do. It helps me with cam decisions. I'm analyzing the trends that you show, and coming up with my own conclusions, pairing it with David Vizard's thoughts. My plans are for my LYQ, L96, and a built-for-torque 408.

[@mathomas12171981]

I just received my stage 2 truck norris for my 5.3 cannot wait to see the results.

[@andyharman3022]

Truck Norris out-torques the Torq cam down low and out-powers the Stage 3 Truck cam up top. And the way that it carries peak power to 6500 rpm is amazing. Brian Tooley won't be able to keep them in stock.

[@calvinevans8305]

Wow, the truck Norris cam has a built-in phaser with such a wide power band.

[@jerryfuentes8792]

So I'm new to the game and just got me a 01 chevy silverado with a 5.3 with 706 heads and these videos help me alot into what to upgrade.. Thanks alot

[@richardholdener1727]

Glad to help

[@melissamalone1530]

Good job Richard may seem like repetive to you but theesecomparisons are great I love what you do you are a legend

[@UNEEK_LOGIK]

Awesome Richard!!… you have given answers from the Truck Gods Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find.. For everyone who asks receives

[@kleinbottled79]

Love what this channel does. Also really appreciate the dyno charts that go all the way down to 2k rpm. Lotta times that's where I'm rolling into it on the street. Particularly when I don't want to sound too conspicuous. I'm pulling from 2k to 4k a lot more often than 4k to 6k. A cam like the Truck Norris seems ideal.

[@hondatech5000]

Brian and his team work very hard. It takes a lot of effort to continue to improve and then go out in a public forum and let your test results be published win lose or draw whatever happen gets shown. Tech moves, gets better but only through hard work. The Truck Norris best cam name ever let’s do a poll. :P

[@richardholdener1727]

agreed on the name

[@alishabazz1869]

Thanks Richard! 2014 L83 engine with a 6l80 trans can I run my stock converter with this Truck Norris Cam.

[@MlXXMATT]

I've just purchased the truck norris cam for my ly6 😎

[@mrmister7526]

I just ordered mine from BTR for my LQ4. It should perform well with the 799 heads.

[@MrDMV816]

How did it come out are you happy with it ?

[@thomaslapointe4671]

Thank You Richard, Awesome Content Brother, Would Love to See your Take on Match for Lifter Quality, with So many Counterfeits out there, The Extra $$$ to get Bowtie Caddy, Morel or Johnson Lifters just seems appropriate Thanks

[@juanmiguelatencioferrer6727]

greetings from Venezuela summit launched an 8728 torquination cam it is called to compete with the Norris truck it would be very good to compare them

[@bille5399]

Do a 5.3 build, heads, cam, intake and headers but on 87/89 octane for those of us who have off road daily drivers who need low speed control for rocks and then grunt to pull through sand hills

[@takuacheperformance4740]

Man you’re such a blessing to have on this earth! Going to order the BTR Truck Norris cam for my 4x4 05 Silverado

[@rupertorodriguez4024]

Hey Richard can you test .. (BTR.trucknorris) VS The new (TSP.Chopacabra )..

[@jimreal3840]

You are the man...I love how u speak the truth....

[@ghost13829]

The name is fitting. Gotta respect chuck

[@bcbloc02]

I am going to say the narrower LSA ia why it generally does better.

[@Torquemonster440]

You are correct.

[@richardholdener1727]

simplification-lots of cams have tighter LSAs

[@robertmontalvo597]

I bought a stage 1 truck cam and I'm going to stick with it. Although the truck norris cam is a beast

[@ronaldmjrfox5899]

Richard, thanks again for the wealth of information. The test you ran is basically my set up. I just got my Gen 4 rods, undecided on stock vs. flat top pistons. Again, thanks for the wealth of information

[@ZackNakazora1]

It's amazing how btr made the defacto " what cam is best for my truck. I don't want to run springs or a stall" the answer now is the truck Norris. All day everyday.

[@richardholdener1727]

you need springs and might need a converter

[@Screamn03]

I put a 6.0 in a ‘05 Suburban with the BTR Stage1 Truck cam, it can idle and pass CA emissions on the factory 5.3 tune. I just found an idle clip of “Truck Norris”, IMO that would be miserable with the stock tight converter these trucks came with and I don’t think it’s going to be happy at a factory 550rpm idle. In short, drivability of the Stg1 probably better and you can sneak it past the Gestapo every two years. Thanks for another great vid Richard!

[@natricjol]

Part of the TN is it works great with stock converter. It's made to have a rowdy idle while actually being smooth with the stock converter. Lots of tuning time (correct ve table then adjust maf and timing over and over) gave choppy but emissions worthy idle with good driveability. Tows better than stock too. (Edited for spelling)

[@squarebodybuilder]

Just ordered a BTR stage 1 for the daily driver aspect and stock deleted tune. Makes 40-50 more HP over stock which is great.

[@christophermix6845]

Test the Tick Performance Towmax stage 2 cams please!

[@bradp9938]

I second this. Also compare the torquemax cams as well.

[@baseball12345j]

Curious to see what a 6.0 would look like

[@ictcarguy3162]

All of these cams will make more power in a 6.0 when compared to a 5.3.

[@St0rmer66]

The same lines but slightly bigger numbers everywhere. Literally as simple as that.

[@julianmoore6318]

All of the cams would perform the same in comparison to each other. Add x amount of power to each

[@jacobvanhalteren7452]

add 11% more power for sure.

[@azreeal1]

They won't make 11 percent more power just because of the displacement. The 5.3 will peak at a higher rpm because the airflow requirements are relatively less than the 6.0

[@kingsupra5023]

Hello Richard, I have yukon 5.3 v8 2008 with 4L60E transmission, and DOD DELETED and I will add in my yukon: 1-long tube HEADERS (Speed engineer) 2-cold air intake(volant) 3-full system exhaust with Y pipe The qustaion Is which cam should I buy to make more hp and tq: 1-BTR GEN III & IV LS TRUCK NORRIS CAM Or 2-BTR GEN III & IV LS TRUCK NORRIS NSR CAM Another qustaion do I have buy valve springs and pushrods? Thanks a lot and you are helping the people who want to get more hp and tq in thiers cars.

[@d_unstoppable_p9137]

You should compare the Truck Norris cam and the bfd chop monster cam. Would be very interested is seeing the differences between the two on the dyno.

[@LSxUnlimited]

Really wish people would stop thinking the TN cam outperforms ANY stock cam for towing (1500-2500rpm). Unless you test the rpm curve from idle, everyone and their mommas knows larger duration, more lift and a tighter valve sequence makes more power at 6500rpm. I would take a stock 5.3 VVT cam over ANY aftermarket cam for towing or low rpm torque, that’s a fact.

[@The_Fat_Turtle]

I'm tempted to put one of those Truck Norris cams in my 2500HD plow truck, but I already have wheel traction issues in the deep snow and honestly don't need more power in those moments.

[@phillipkeep7037]

Gotta love a tight lsa camshaft. I remember when Holden introduced the LS1 into the Australian market that people weren't impressed with the lack of low end torque. Considering the base model Holden Commodore sedan 2001 could be purchased with the 5.7 300 hp LS1 compared to the previous Holden 5.0 240 hp.

[@alexvillalobos7137]

And I thought the ls1 had all the low end torque

[@antuanperez426]

@@alexvillalobos7137Compared to the 1st gen SBC, LS make no torque down low lol

[@jakewade7388]

Thank you Richard! My kind of content! BTR makes some excellent products no doubt. Would really love to see some pulls with some of the truck offerings from Cam Motion. They are good people.

[@richardholdener1727]

Steve is good people at Cam Motion

[@thomasgoddard5503]

I put a stage 2 truck cam in my LQ4 last year. I kinda wish I would have waited for the truck norris, but I'm still happy with the stage 2 truck cam. Cool comparison!

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

You already have torque in a 6.0 your not missing much since you have the cubic inches not to mention on a cold day that truck norris won’t idle lol

[@onebadbowtie86]

@@utahcountypicazospage5412 wrong, tune will fix the cold idle.

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

@@onebadbowtie86 stage two truck cam idles way better then truck Norris because of lsa and duration and even the best tunes/tuner will tell ya 107 lsa will still give you issues on a cold morning

[@onebadbowtie86]

@@utahcountypicazospage5412 I know, I just tuned a 5.3 silverado with one, remote starts fine in -15*. you need a tune with any of these cams, might as well get the one that makes the greatest power/torque.

[@ivanhernandez983]

I would love to see the compared in a 6.0 truck and which would make more power and torque

[@davidciesielski8251]

Thank You .... The swiss army cam

[@davidgomez3737]

What a great video for idiots like me that wonder the same thing but cant test them... thanks richard

[@JohnnyAnderson1]

Nice! I wanted a tight LSA truck cam for so long, very happy with the results!

[@CK-mf6du]

Well after doing the truck norris swap into an l92 6.2, I can say it might be making 400 hp. Stock manifolds. I'm hoping to see more power with long tube headers, maybe my tune is just crap. Pump fuel.

[@NateHarrisCreations]

So non of these cams need a stall converter?

[@richardholdener1727]

all of them most likely

[@MarcBchannel]

The Truck Norris cam works best N/A because of the tight LSA @107deg. Makes more power over a wide powerband. Those bigger duration cams with wide LSA's sacrifice alot through out the power band for small gains up top. Better suited for boost

[@richardholdener1727]

The Truck Norris works well because of valve events and EVERY cam works with boost

[@cemetery76]

My next upgrade is a camshaft. thanks for the info, this helps

[@98dodge360v8]

Some of the secret sauce on the truck norris is gotta be that 107lsa

[@MRC_Garage]

Thanks for the video Richard. I'm convinced I need this truck norris cam with a tbss intake, 92mm throttle body. Headers and ported 706 heads with a 2500-3000 stall, should be a stout motor.

[@natricjol]

The nice part is the cam is set up to be able to be used with a stock converter. Tbss is easy to swap on real quick. Highly recommended.

[@MRC_Garage]

@@natricjol this is my plan. I'm ordering the cam next week, then I'll probably get a stall or tbss intake. I'm just going to keep doing it in stages along with gears to top it off.

[@natricjol]

@@MRC_Garage If you get the tbss, also do the throttle (and x-link if needed), new injectors, oil pressure sensor since it's right behind the manifold, and 4 corner steam vent kit. Makes life easier to get all that at once.

[@MRC_Garage]

@@natricjol good idea man, I will do that forsure

[@s2knott]

Fantastic video!!!! Answers all but one question.... Drivability on stock converter, ive been told its ok and still able to retain stock drivability? 2007 L92 Escalade with a new trans/factory converter, dont want to replace it again if i dont need to.

[@richardholdener1727]

STOCK CONVERTER ON L92 WILL BE NO PROBLEM-WILL NEED TO BE TUNED

[@s2knott]

@@richardholdener1727 you are the man! Thank you

[@teal61762]

Good info, how does it relate on fuel consumption vs stock, trying to figure best for daily without changing to loose converter, I expect higher fuel consumption but how much, I am changing rear gear to 3.73 and have longtube header (JBA) ON 4.8, It does pull small trailer on regular basis, so I'm shopping and doing research as much as possible

[@pico67ss]

Stage 2 truck cam and truck norris have similar lift and duration but the lsa is tighter on the TN sounds like Mr Vizard is right

[@richardholdener1727]

valve events are different-lsa is not a singular thing

[@fwaurorakev]

Just get the truck Norris cam guys 👏🏽

[@carbonspeed1050]

Good day , I’m sure in one of your videos you probably discussed this but with Truck noris cam , 4l80 trans in rx8 swap 4.4 rear gears What stall converter should I be using? Thanks for all your hard work

[@richardholdener1727]

2800 or so

[@carbonspeed1050]

Thank you

[@Fergdog4Ever]

How about bfd cam vs truck Norris, thank you Richard!

[@300blkaac]

We need the truck Norris vs the tsp cams low and high lift.

[@richardholdener1727]

the low lift cams only lose a few hp

[@300blkaac]

@@richardholdener1727 really only a few hp? How would the truck Norris stack against a tsp stage 2 or 3 high lift truck cam? Edit: meant to say tsp not btr

[@joryhaggerty5380]

I'd like to see the bte weekend warrior cams vs this cam

[@PHATDAN420x]

Now I gotta pull my stage 3 truck cam out of my 6.0 for the truck Norris lol

[@emjman]

Looks like im buying a truck noris cam for my year ish long build before boost gets to the motor. Let's get this stick (nv4500) truck to be the tow pig/ sleeper she needs to be!

[@danfalley9296]

Very well put together presentation. Ty

[@flux_core_fx]

Thank you for all your hard work Richard! Thinking about using one of these in my autocross build

[@bryanphipps9131]

Hell yeah, can't wait to get mine put together and installed! Great info Mr Holdner!

[@LotsOfPaypa]

Sounds like my stock silverado 2500HD will benefit alot with this cam and a tune…

[@dannytravis7118]

I agree with you that if you have already done a cam swap that it's probably not enough difference to make a difference between the cams to justify the cost and effort to change it. But if you have a stock cam and want to get the best upgrade cam I think the the truck Norris cam is definitely the one to get. Thank you great video. Just to let you know. Your videos are awesome I have learned a lot and there's things I was thinking about that were wrong and others I had a pretty good understanding of and your videos have shown me with dyno data where I was right and wrong and why.

[@expatconn7242]

Just installed my truck Norris cam

[@corbinschad1]

Nice. Now, vvt please.

[@tommychalk2317]

What are thoughts of the new red hot cam or the truck norris cam

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

So it seems like exhaust controlls how high the cam revs even with low intake duration lsa is also a big factor seems the trade off would be rough idle for not much power .torque yes but hp seems low for how rough the idle quality is

[@antos360]

Great comparison , wish the truck Norris cam was out/popular last year .

[@classiccarfan100]

I bought the truck Norris cam after seeing this video about a year ago. Unfortunately the dyno graph here doesn’t seem to match the driving experience. Two 5.3 lm7 engines I’ve put cams in so far and the stage 2 cam had a lot more bottom end than the truck Norris. Truck Norris cam drove similar to a stage 3 cam in my opinion. I was more impressed with stage 2.

[@richardholdener1727]

you have your tune to blame-a stage 2 has less low speed

[@squealthewheels3090]

That was a good mention about the 87 fuel octane tunes.my truck 87 can only handle 17-18 timing at the top safely.e85 the most I've tried 24-26 no nock.8.1 gm injectors at 55psi were not big enough.6.0 243 home ported heads comp 218 springs 560 lift 218 220 114lsa. More information on the tunes would be nice. Either way good video.1 more with 6.0.yes

[@chunkiermango7982]

Mines reading 25.5° of timing on 87

[@332ARA]

man I just installed a BTR truck cam in my 4.8. I wish I knew this was coming out

[@heynetalks]

So..... serious question. Is there a better option for a reliable toy hauler than the Truck Norris camshaft? Would you gain more from a custom grind?

[@richardholdener1727]

no

[@heynetalks]

@richardholdener1727 would you be willing to do a BTR Truck Norris vs. Texas Speed Chapacabra camshaft comparison?

[@garyfujinami9911]

I commented on 1 of the other cam comparison videos. In short I am building a 408 for a Silverado. In my case the truck Norris is the winner. At the end of vid, you hit on probably the most important topic: the tune. If I don't have access to a tune shop w a dyno, what's the 2nd choice? I live in a small town in Montana and am not aware of any shops out here.

[@richardholdener1727]

street or remote tune

[@skirkland1980]

I'd be really interested in how these cams and also a turbo will affect fuel consumption. Mostly just part throttle cruise. That's the only thing that worries me about replacing the cam in my daily tahoe. Fuel is so expensive and it already is pretty thirsty even with afm.

[@marthamryglod291]

There's been a few reviews saying that their truck gets 14/22 to 13/20 city/highway with a truck cam. I watched them on KZbin

[@horsefly1020]

It's all about efficiency... The more efficient you make your engine it will get better fuel economy as long as you keep your foot out of it.

[@skirkland1980]

@@marthamryglod291 that's better than my completely stock tahoe with afm.

[@marthamryglod291]

@@skirkland1980 I'm averaging 15 mph 2005 Silverado SS stock. Was looking at cams because it seems like a win/win more power no loss in economy when cruising.

[@skirkland1980]

@@marthamryglod291 my display on the dash is saying I get 16.7mpg.

[@damageinc81292]

Truck Norris cam seems to be the perfect cam

[@B2sdad512]

so im guessing to maximize the performance of the truck norris cam, a 93 octane tune would be required? Keep up the fantastic work by the way Richard! Keep the data coming!

[@stevesalisbury6865]

Richard have you done a test on the crower cam comp cams and the truck norris cam comparison

[@richardholdener1727]

which ones?

[@bobbieprice1351]

Which is best for my stock 2007 Tahoe to delete the cylinder deactivation and for best mpg and Towing a 7,000lb boat?

[@richardholdener1727]

low buck truck-I have those for $179

[@obsjosee]

Can u test these cams on a lq4

[@howellbranham9460]

yeah but is the Truck Norris cam a turbo cam?

[@bumstead1383]

I like the T. Norris ( ridiculous name) cam. I want the torque and power increase…BUT…I want long lasting reliability. Are springs enough for that? Ugh , so many questions and videos…lol

[@richardholdener1727]

it works and lasts with the cam and spring upgrade

[@marcusstephens630]

I got the truck norris its a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tbl8560]

What is the part number on the DOD Delete cam? Sorry if I missed it in the vid.

[@Long-nd8bq]

Was going to order a BTR stage 3 or 4 cam, but I think now I'll get the Truck Norris. I have a 5.3L LM7 in my Z71 with Speed Engineering 1 3/4" long tubes and off-road y-pipe, speed engineering air intake with heat shield, 4.10 gears, Yank 3000 stall, and tuned with HP Tuners. Since I don't currently have an upgraded camshaft, I think Rich is correct that the Truck Norris cam would be my best choice and then I can work on optimizing my tune for 91 octane premium fuel that we have out here (these fuel prices are horrendous). I like that it makes more torque than all the other cams and in a heavy truck that I tow with I need all the torque I can get. I could care less about a few less peak HP up top since I don't stay at high RPM. I am going to raise my shift points to around 6500 RPM. Thanks for another great video, Richard!

[@Long-nd8bq]

Just ordered the Truck Norris cam, BTR valve springs, and the valve holding tool. Can't wait to get it installed in my truck.

[@reyperez3424]

Update?

[@Long-nd8bq]

@@reyperez3424 I bought the Truck Norris cam kit direct from BTR. I went with their BTR springs and seals, and I bought the adapter for the spark plug holes to use an air compressor to keep the valves in place when changing the seals. I haven't installed it yet because it's getting cold here and I burned up my air compressor. Might just have a shop do the labor for me since I'm busy and don't have the time with having to watch my young daughter on my days off.

[@Kstang09]

Woo woo! Late night post-live uploads!

[@JKZ103]

I have a stage 2 in my daily and its pretty good. The one thing I want to point out is this is on a stock headed stock intake I'm assuming motor... be curious to see what these numbers would be on. A built 5.3. I am going cam motion titan 2 ls1 cam for my new build. Want to see how it works out. Going with a 3200 stall as well and a good combination on the motor. Can you test some cam motion stuff soon? They could be considered "the other guys"!

[@chandlerlofton6536]

They must have used some kind of black magic sorcery when designing the TN cam!!

[@jamesray2607]

Which of these do you have to run a stall with

[@hondaservicecenter]

Can you do Honda camshafts

[@jacobvanhalteren7452]

I'm building an 04 Lq4. Hopefully it has all the factory goodies and it'll get the truck Norris cam, Ported Head and intake, and heads decked to bring compression to around 10.3 : 1 if I've got valve piston clearance. probably balance the rotating assembly so I can spin close to 7k assuming I got the stronger rods and pistons

[@richardholdener1727]

it won't make power up at 7000 rpm with that cam on a 6.0L-but it will rev there

[@jacobvanhalteren7452]

​@@richardholdener1727 Any suggestions for a cam that would want to be shifted WOT at around 6.5 - 7k that would still make good low-end torque for light towing and street? I'd probably be doing a Holley terminator with a map switch for transmission control for towing to rev higher before shifting. My goal is 400 + torque and HP - Id probably be building custom headers too. And I'd probably do a HD converter with 2000 - 2200 Stall

[@garymorel1882]

Thxs been waiting to see this video since I heard about truck Norris we tried the stage 2 in a 6.0 it sounded great and definitely had a good bit more on the top side but it wasn’t what we was looking for because it was in a raised 4x4 Stall helped but was not what we wanted having to lay into it to get the power even on the smaller holes But we’ll be starting from fresh again for another truck and we’re definitely going with the truck Norris thxs

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

You had to rev the stage 2 truck cam to get it going ?

[@JosephNnbs]

Gotta share this to fb truck pages and hopefully gets pinned lol.

[@MrLs1racer]

Ss2 for life.

[@stephen4764]

How would the Truck Norris cam do with 1.7 rockers? I'd hate to hafta put the 1.6s back in.

[@shadowopsairman1583]

Truck norris is the way to go for daily drivers

[@damianvelezgonzalez8557]

Hello, I always watch your videos, and I learn a lot from them. I have a stock 5.3 Lm7 engine and 862 heads with a 68 inlet and 90 outlet turbocharger, with a fitech injection system for 750hp with a 102 throttle. My question is what do you recommend for my configuration? , and also if you know the gap between the rings and the pistons, I understand that it is different when it is turbocharged for street use. Thanks for the help. What cam do you recommend for my configuration ? Thanks

[@jeremyparsons2944]

looks like truck norris FTW for any street LS

[@Dnotmans]

Would be interesting to see how the truck Norris goes with a 1.9 ratio rocker Should be around .617” valve lift.. (would need valve reliefs)

[@richardholdener1727]

it won't need valve reliefs-the lift is not what determines P-V, it is duration