How Much Muscle Should Hoopers REALLY Gain?

[@elitesmartathletes]

So here for this! Bodybuilding is not our sport as an athlete

[@kg4024-z2z]

There is a case for building muscle mass for the sake of mass in some sports, however. If a 300-pound football lineman with a 15-inch vertical jump goes up against a 150-pound lineman with a 40-inch vertical jump, chances are that the 150-pound line will bounce off of the big guy and the big guy will say something like, "Cute Kid!" An extreme example, yes, but if you look at the pro basketball players from 50+ years ago, you saw a lot of tall, skinny guys. Now, on television, these same tall athletes look like ordinary people as they tend to carry considerably more muscle mass, on average.

[@elitesmartathletes]

@@kg4024-z2z yeah I totally agree (love that cute kid example 😂) I just like the focus on it being a byproduct of training in general as opposed to the main focus

[@kg4024-z2z]

@@elitesmartathletes I understand where you are coming from, but in the area of long-term planing, a better approach may be to focus on gaining a lot of mass quickly. For example, A high school wrestler as a freshman may weigh 135 pounds, but the coach thinks he will wrestler at 170 as a senior. As a freshman, how about focusing on bodybuilding methods to get as close to 170 as possible? That way, the athlete has three years to get accustomed to moving at that bodyweight. As the athlete continues training in their final three years, they switch from bodybuilding methods to relative strength training methods so that they will get stronger without any changes in their bodyweight.

[@elitesmartathletes]

@@kg4024-z2z I mean I theory i agree with that but it’s likely that freshman could reach that 170 without bodybuilding anyway because they’re still growing, so why not prioritise relative strength at that stage, let the gains come as a byproduct of that and natural growth and then maybe after a few years of building that training age, the bodybuilding focus could start? That’s my personal take on it but I do fully get what you’re saying

[@kg4024-z2z]

@@elitesmartathletes In high school football, often athletes prior to their senior season will go on a mass-building program. Let's say they gain 15 pounds over the summer. They simply don't have enough time to get used to moving at that bodyweight. When weightlifters move up a bodyweight class, often their clean and jerk goes up dramatically, but their snatches lag behind because they are not used to moving the additional mass in this more complex movement. An analogy would be when young athletes go through growth spurts and their coordination get adversely affected because they don't know exactly where their body is in space. I've seen this happen with figure skaters, for example. Anyway, this is one approach some coaches look at for long-term planning.

[@Hobe23]

I think it's simple. Once, you start losing speed and raw power then stop gaining muscle!

[@incorectulpolitic]

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[@UpsielHD1]

@@incorectulpolitic Bro i just asked you what hour is it

[@NathanaelMorton]

Edge U is 🔥 by the way for anyone considering. If you’re not learning every day watchu doin!

[@frilliansu134]

can i get an edge u account🥺

[@MrBeastTellEm]

Damn I’m a football (soccer) player and wish we had a channel like yours. Really good info. Keep it up!

[@jogabonito7893]

Yeah man this is the closest we have.

[@vinzmai6124]

lucky me, the only thing i can is slow progression

[@emilwibergh1014]

Don't chase muscle, chase relative strength.

[@tigerbachmeier3589]

Ever since I’ve been watching ur vids and getting into speed and explosiveness, about 9 months ago I started at about a 5 flat (respectively hand timed) 40 time to a 4.5 a few days ago hand time). I am so excited and thankful. (Football player)

[@nicholaspapa6348]

Which of his programs did u buy? Im a football player too and I want to decrease my 40 time (currently at 4.8)

[@tigerbachmeier3589]

@@nicholaspapa6348 since I’m a football player too I didn’t see the benefit of working out completely like a basketball player, and looked more towards a track focused workout type. I still incorporate a lot of pjf things to change things up, but the base of my workouts are hex bar deadlift and cleans Monday Friday, quarter squats and bb step ups on wednesdays. And these three days I also do a field workout where it’s basically the things you would see at a track workout, a skips and such but much more in depth, along with sled sprints and hill sprints. I’d be happy to tell more, I’m really excited at where I’ve gotten and my brothers and friends have cut 0.3-0.4 off their 40 times as well. HMU on Instagram it’s the same name as I have right here

[@imfreded]

This is a great Conversation to have with us

[@evergreenthunder]

I knew it was you Fredo. You broke my heart! 💋💀

[@hilal8461]

yeah i was on a body building workout but now i just workout my upperbody 3 times a week for 30 mins, 3 sets of pullups, pushups,shoulder press, rows. Alot better for athletes especially basketball.

[@abbyik7357]

Yeah same. I work it out twice a week, all body weight. Pull/Chin ups, push ups, dips, australian pull ups 3xMax on each. Just tryna get strong

[@spacetardigrade8277]

I thought that if I worked out using only body weight exercises, I would minimize my weight gain and hypertrophy. Turns out i gained 3 kilo in only a month (December 1st: 62.3kg January 2nd: 66kg).

[@abbyik7357]

@@spacetardigrade8277 Then take a serious look at your nutrition and conditioning. If you've been working out for more than 6 months, that shouldn't be happening. If you're a beginner, then those are rookie gains and will probably help more than they hurt. If you're truly advanced and the weight gain is all muscle then your genes are a diamond in the rough lmao

[@spacetardigrade8277]

@@abbyik7357 My training isn't consistent. Some months i'll train so hard that my knees are in chronic pain and some. While some other months i'll just stop training altogether. But i'm still in puberty.

[@abbyik7357]

@@spacetardigrade8277 Then get your training and nutrition correct or else you’re gonna keep getting erratic results. If you don’t get right now- when you’re older, it’ll be harder to deal with yourself

[@TallestFiddle]

Semi ojeley on the Celtics is a good example of too much bodybuilding strength. He’s really muscular but really unathletic. What you’re saying makes a ton of sense.

[@denizlaiseca6687]

Love the content

[@alper9135]

Congrats on a 100K subs

[@obeseblakegriffin6096]

Congrats for 100k

[@nathanw3471]

If all u do is train your upper body and don’t do any explosive movements then u will get slower. Train your legs and do sprints and plyometrics with lifting as well and u will be faster

[@greglynch39]

this is a good discussion , train for performance , the byproduct will be

[@keeganneely4505]

Can you make a video of exercises that can help with strength and power

[@spacetardigrade8277]

I don't think you need to have strong shoulders for basketball, but i'm no expert.

[@kg4024-z2z]

You have to distinguish between "sarcoplasmic hypertrophy" and "myofibrillar hypertrophy." The sarcoplasmic hypertrophy you keep referring to increases sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell that does not contribute to muscle force but increases body mass. This explains why bodybuilders of equal weight seldom can outfit weightlifters or powerlifters. Myofibrillar hypertrophy explains why weightlifters can remain in the same bodyweight class for several years but become significantly stronger. For example, Russia's Yuri Vardanyan clean and jerked a world record of 462 pounds weighing 181 pounds in March of 1978. Four years later, he clean and jerked 493 at the same bodyweight.

[@kingtaylor1268]

damn so glad you actually have some scientific reasoning and an explanation to back up your claims, much appreciated.

[@kg4024-z2z]

​@@kingtaylor1268 Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate that the speaker is trying to dumb down scientific terminology for a general audience by using words such as "fast hypertrophy," but it can create confusion. For example, when Kevin Durant injured his calf, the ESPN announcer explained that the calf bone is connected to the Achilles bone. The Achilles bone?

[@blakehofmans8486]

Exactly- I really do think building muscle is insanely important for athletes. An athlete that has an extra 5 pounds of type 2 muscle loaded with myofibrils is normally always going to be faster and jump higher than an athlete without it. I think the only real sacrifice is acceleration and hitting different joint angles quickly. I can’t imagine someone like Zion dribbling like steph curry or kemba walker.

[@blakehofmans8486]

@@kg4024-z2z I really hope we find out what causes sarcoplasmic hypertrophy so athletes can try to avoid it. My theory is that sarcoplasmic fluid actually helps increase muscle endurance. That would make sense since a lot of bodybuilders just do 12-15 reps at a weight that isn’t very near muscular failure. I don’t think athletes should be doing that high rep ranges anyway though because slow twitch fibers might hyperplase and your satellite cells might actually form more of them to adapt to the workout stimuli.

[@kg4024-z2z]

@@blakehofmans8486 Perhaps this is one reason the pro basketball players of today are motivated to be bigger than those in the past? LeBron James, for example, is listed at about 250 pounds, but I've heard he may be as much as 265? And if I recall, wasn't Zion the player who injured his knee when his shoe fell apart?

[@willhill4081]

Great video.

[@andrea.mombelli]

In your opinion, is it possible to reduce the loss of explosiveness and speed during an hypertrophy phase adding to the week (in different days) some plyometrics exercises? So basically mixing the two types of workouts during the week. Thank you 🙏🏻

[@kamkosbasket-ball2026]

i had this problem couple month ago (loss of explosiveness and speed because of muscle gain) and by experience, plyometrics exercices helps me to re-gain my speed and explosiveness. So, has you said i definitely mix both of them (plyo and weight lifting).

[@kyzz21]

​@@kamkosbasket-ball2026bruv what is your split🙏

[@chrisrondon8113]

Very useful good video

[@RahulMehra0361]

Damn. This guy told the truth and i understood it

[@whitealienguy7869]

If you do workouts and diets to lower your body fat but increase lean muscle instead of mass would that make a difference

[@Sh4yt3]

My problem is that im still pretty skinny but i don't know if I'll get too big for basketball. But i also want to get big for physical appearance.

[@SlickSam_]

How about doing body recomposition because I'm overweight and my off-season is longer in Cali

[@gavinmasterson7843]

What about gymnastic rings?

[@karigrandii]

What if you are really skinny and need weight and power?

[@leek3333]

depends on what your playing

[@GRASS191]

​@@leek3333So if im tryna play sports, do boxing, and be strong, fast, agile, and mobile am i just trying to get too much in one?

[@bernardoazevedo689]

What type of training should we do on the weightroom to get basketball strong?

[@SummitMedia28]

Euro steps for 100m

[@moreplates4782]

I am 16y old 6'1 and i am 211 pounds. Like 16% bodyfat. I am looking like mini version of Ronnie coleman. 😂😂 Not as lean though. I like dont feel big difference. I am bit slower yes but i can throw guys out of paint. Also i can dunk even though i have really short reach like 7'6. But the injuries oh my god. My knees were fucked, my shins were fucked. Then i found some workouts for knees online and i feel better now. Getting better and still gaining weight. Ill stop as i reach 225 pounds and then I'll cut. Crazy thing is am am like super strong for my age i can squat 175 kg deadlift 200kg and bench 105kg. Weird thing is i want to play basketball and i am lifting for basketball. I am sure i could have pretty great powerlifting career but I don't love it as much as i love basketball.

[@watchwhereyourgoingyoufool4479]

But can you do a bodyweight 1 leg thighs to parallel squat? 🤨🦑

[@moreplates4782]

@@watchwhereyourgoingyoufool4479 like 10 times

[@moreplates4782]

@@watchwhereyourgoingyoufool4479 its called pistol squats pretty easy

[@ARAesthetics_]

I’m 17 and 5’8 and I wanna play basketball aswell I’ve been practicing all of last year but I am sort of skinny but athletic so should I be doing a bodybuilder workout until I gain a good amount of muscle then do a basketball workout

[@ARAesthetics_]

Wish I was your height at 16 😭😭

[@costaalessandro4060]

Hi coach! What about building strength without increase ipertrophy?

[@fleuzy7412]

Muscle growth will come regardless even if your training for strength

[@Hoop639]

@@fleuzy7412 yeah just not as much as you just training for hypertrophy

[@costaalessandro4060]

@@fleuzy7412 thank you so much :) For building strength faster do I have to eat more calories?

[@williamhakim1758]

@@costaalessandro4060 yup, strength = fast twitch muscle fibers, caloric surplus (carbs) better

[@costaalessandro4060]

@@williamhakim1758 thank you so much :DDD

[@me-hoi3328]

Can lateral plyometrics increase vert

[@theoobadiahteguh2537]

They can... he has a vid about it

[@theoobadiahteguh2537]

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[@believerrrrr]

Well, I’m trying to be d1 in either basketball OR football, so I’m still going to focus on “bodybuilding” but it’s not extreme lol

[@abhisheksingh8867]

atleast tell us solution of this so what should we do ? question is same for us dont do muscle mass training then what should we do instead ?

[@_shotbyjmac2153]

What Ryan Little track is used at the very end?? Thanks in advance!

[@fatihalpay4903]

What about arm momentum for sprinter. Momentum = mass x velocity. So we should gain mass at the same time protect arm velocity. What do you think about it?

[@kg4024-z2z]

The lats are the muscle group that connect the arms to the lower body, so chin-ups and pull-ups should be a key exercise for sprinters. Also, because the abs are more for transferring force rather than producing force, chin-ups and pull-ups are better for sprinters than pulldowns because they use the abs more (i.e., you pull your body around the bar, which takes considerably core stability, rather than you pulling the bar around the body). Just my opinion.

[@ralphilagan8832]

So we should do body weight?

[@eye4lies]

What about linebackers playing ball, they would run over any baller, with a lightning speed (aka lebron freighttrain)

[@l.a.4232]

What are some examples of slow hyperthropy?

[@evergreenthunder]

It literally means adding muscle slowly.

[@l.a.4232]

@@evergreenthunder do you mean doing low reps ang ranges? Just like 3 reps and 10 sets?

[@dangelorussell5329]

@@l.a.4232 no hypertrophy is doing high reps to put on more size and muscle. So he means instead of exploding up quickly on the reps you go up slow to have more time under tension

[@evergreenthunder]

@@l.a.4232 reps in the 1-5 range build more absolute strength, 8-15 range builds size/hypertrophy

[@evergreenthunder]

@@dangelorussell5329 no that's not what he means lol

[@matthewp785]

I was around 145 pounds 3 months ago and I’ve gained 12 pounds so far. My goal is to be 170 by November do you think that’s too much. I’m 6’2-3 btw.

[@marrickst.hilaire2679]

My guy keep bulking up you too skinny I pray stuff change

[@hopes_in_hearts]

you need to gain more mass imo. At my short frame I am heavier than you but not massive.

[@rayanimations9577]

I mean any athlete shouldn't really look like a bodybuilder, including hoopers. That would be bad for mobility and speed I think.

[@rayanimations9577]

@Mickey Merzon Yeah I agree, those things can help build strong joints and bone density.

[@TravisAndrews-lb1kk]

Im a hoper

[@airlexbremmert8448]

How do I loose muscles (mass) correctly? I’ve been working out years and I’m more like the “easy gain” type (big Bizeps and other useless muscles ;) )But now I want to focus on vertical jump training (I’m on the vert code) - is it clever to just stop working on the upper body? Because as far as I know just stopping alters the metabolism and will lead to higher body fat. But in my specific case I want to “transform” from strong upper body to lower body. Sorry for my English, I hope the question is understandable.

[@akoto3309]

try to deload bro or workout 2-3x a week

[@akoto3309]

from the strength and conditioning coach, and nutritionist i’ve known, they said that when you stop working out, it can’t lead you to higher body fat, it just depends if you exceeds the calories your body needed

[@רוםקטרון]

How are you explian zion? He is soper athelet and he very muscular...

[@jogabonito7893]

He has that body naturally he didn't get it by lifting weights.

[@damyanminkov3576]

It's genetic man Zion is one in one billion

[@omniscientnegro6585]

I gkt less athletoc the more muscle i gained i cant even fly in the air no more

[@jnikz]

It depends on how you are lifting weights. For guards and forward, you shouldn’t focus on hypertrophy but on strength. Reps and sets will change the way muscle tear and repair. If you want strength, focus on heavy weight but less reps and set. Do compound exercises like push up, squats, pull ups and deadlifts. Never do arms specific workout because you already train them by pressing and pulling motion. Remember basketball is an agility sport, if you train like a body builder then it wont help you.

[@kg4024-z2z]

I think you have a typo. I assume you meant to say less reps and MORE sets. There is an inverse relationship between sets and reps. So a bodybuilder might squat 3-4 sets x 12-15 reps, and a weightlifting might squat 8 sets x 2-3 reps,

[@jnikz]

​@@kg4024-z2z It depends on what you are working out. If you are doing 8 sets of 2-3 reps of 70lbs shoulder press, you are doing the same as if you were doing 3-4sets x 15 reps of 35lbs shoulder press. This is why you should go for low reps and low sets with high weight. This is why if you ask any MMA fighter or any combat sport, they don't work out to the point that their body is so sore that they cant extend the range of motion and too sore to do a skill workout.

[@kg4024-z2z]

@@jnikz. Yes, the volume is may be the same, but you will not be recruiting the same fiber types. Just look at the fiber types of bodybuilders (high reps) vs weightlifters (low reps). With lower reps, you have to do more sets to achieve an optimal training effect. Moritz Klatten trained 5 profession boxing world champions and 3 Olympic champions, and his published workouts showed that he used more sets with lower reps. Yuriorkis Gamboa was one of his athletes, and he could perform chin-ups with 90 pounds attached to his waist and incline bench press 264 pounds for 2 reps.

[@emteedee21]

@@jnikz How is 8x2-3@70lbs the same as 3-4x15@35 lbs???

[@ELjs8]

its really hard to gain 1 pound per month naturally, youd have to be on steroids

[@peterpfukwa]

dude what

[@peterpfukwa]

if you eat a caloric surplus i promise you 1 pound gained a month is very possible. Even 1 pound a week is quite easy. google search "1 pound a month/week gained"

[@ELjs8]

@@peterpfukwa i agree but it’s not all muscle bro it’d be fat, water, glycogen and then a bit of muscle

[@peterpfukwa]

@@ELjs8 yeah but that's what he means when he says 1 pound. not just muscle

[@GRASS191]

I got 10 pounds in 3 months wdym. Maybe beginner gains but still.

[@arjunkamath8360]

If your fat should you gain more muscle

[@itzhassanplayz909]

no

[@knicks4life11]

Guys that are putting on all that muscle are juicing.