How much pain to expect from from limb lengthening surgery

[@loia5tqd001]

I’m going through it right now. Yes it’s the worst pain I’ve experienced or ever imagined. So if you plan to do it, plz be prepared by working out really hard to make your body get used to.

[@idriskas]

How much height did you gain

[@idriskas]

Are flexible

[@idriskas]

We’re you active prior to surgery

[@gj9157]

Would you consider it manageable?

[@tarassharvan6670]

Can I talk to you do u have WhatsApp or something?

[@leiyaoz2924]

People like you exist makes the world better, thank you for delivering these useful info.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Thanks appreciate it!

[@dacawone]

I miss doctor Robbins. Even though I was in pain every encounter due to lengthening...he is one of the coolest guys ever. Wait, nobody has mentioned Victor's shirt? MK!

[@MM-sf6fp]

How was the end result? And how was your experience with paley institute? Do you recommend them?

[@dacawone]

@@MM-sf6fp 7 cm on femurs! Wouldn't change a thing. I highly recommend the Paley Institute. Expensive...but the best in the world. Don't bargain-hunt for your legs...you want the best in the industry.

[@MM-sf6fp]

Sounds great man and really glad to hear that. One last question, did they require you to stay 70 days at there institute (lengthening phase)? And were you able to go back work right after the lengthening phase? Let’s say you have a desk job. I’m wondering, because the time of from work that I can take is only sufficient for the lengthening phase.

[@Cyborg4Life]

I agree, Dr. Robbins is world class - skill-wise and bedside manner. His cool, down-to-earth demeanor and willingness to go above and beyond for patients and keeping them motivated puts him in a class of his own. You noticed the shirt! I thought it suited the video topic. I was gonna put in a 'Finish Him' at the end but might've been too much lol

[@chrisjlee2013]

@@dacawone Are you able to do sports?

[@user-up3tv2ei7g]

Hi victor, can you please do a video on limb lengthening surgery in the us vs outside the us?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hmm, what would the comparison be? Clinic, surgeon, devices, etc.? Might be a fun topic for a roundtable discussion for next week

[@joelentrup6658]

Good to see you again man!

[@Rikimkigsck]

I got LON on Femurs a week ago I only feel pain when I move my legs which is very manageable I dont use pain killers. The only time I felt intense pain was when I woke up from anestia my whole body was sahing because of pain it lasted 30mins and since then Ive had no pain. Maybe I see pain when I grow like 5cm

[@Rikimkigsck]

hey guys I am at 4.4cm and havent had much pain. I am still very flexible and not everyone as lucky as me

[@Rikimkigsck]

@jayo.6232 I did femurs I grew 8.6cm I wouldn't go all the trouble for just 4cm but you probably know your reasons. If you also plan to lengthen your femur then it would make sense. I am so glad I did the surgery now I am 1.83m (6"0) I can't say how happy I am. My big brother is 1.73m (5"8) he is so jealous of me but he has absolutely no time to do this surgery. It's been 8 months since the operation and I haven't fully recovered yet.

[@Rikimkigsck]

@jayo.6232 By the way absolutely no one noticed my new height. My brother told me that I wouldn't have noticed either, because you always looked taller. So you might not notice anything different with 4cm

[@j4genius961]

@@Rikimkigsck Hello please where did you have your surgery the pain is the scariest part to me but hey, maybe I can get lucky like you😭

[@Rikimkigsck]

@@j4genius961 Hello I wouldn't want to discourage you but please expect the worst pain so you don't want the device to be removed earlier. One patient had his device removed only 1 week after. I did the surgery with company called "wannabetaller" my surgeon name was Dr. Yunus Oc. Please make an extensive research this surgery is no joke you definitely don't want to choose wrong surgeon. Also consider Precise method if you are that afraid of pain.

[@totomo1976]

Hey Victor. When and where will we be able to watch the documentary your mentioned? Very much looking forward to it.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hopefully on Netflix or Amazon Prime in '24 🤞🤞

[@alphaguy1028]

Pain of being short Or Pain of being tall? 💪💪

[@gj9157]

The pain is main thing I'm terrified of tbh lol.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Yeah no doubt it's pretty rough initially but I'm sure you'll manage

[@dacawone]

You got this dude. Go for it!

[@gj9157]

@@dacawone Thanks man, I sure hope so!

[@Ali-ir7le]

@@gj9157 if you have the money gor for the internal nail method which is less painful But the end result does worth the pain so let go bro

[@gj9157]

@@Ali-ir7le Thats the problem, I want to get it done twice, so its either 2 internal nail procedures which is (wild expensive), or internal on femurs, and LON on tibias.

[@justinwei6079]

Hi Victor can you make a video on uper body workouts during the recovery time? thank you.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Have you checked out the RTR program inside the free LL Secrets course? Has all of that - cyborg4life.com/secrets. Plus I'm still recovering from my tendon surgery so I'm not in the best shape to lift upper body now anyways

[@levihouse5345]

Didn't know you had a site!! Just bookmarked it

[@zadaqom674]

This has been my biggest concern with LL (how painful and if the pain could be managed). Thank you for covering a video focused on this, Victor! You mentioned that pain depends on the type of procedure and device implanted. Can you tell us what type of procedures and devices those patients you referred in the video did and used? I also wonder if procedures and devices can be ranked in terms of pain (and to what level, e.g. 6/10, 7/10, 9/10, etc., if they vary significantly with each type), esp. the pain at initial stages/post-op

[@Cyborg4Life]

Sure so those patients all used internal nails femurs except me which was tibia. I would have to get a larger pool of subjects to rank that but some say femur is worse and some say tibia so it varies

[@LionsX4Lambs]

Be prepared for the worst pain you've encountered unless you've broken both femur or tibia before. Anyone who tells you otherwise is dishonest. I have seen grown men cry for their mothers, and others piss their pants during physical therapy.

[@hamadsadran8411]

Hey Cyborg, awesome work man keep it going! You're really helping people out here. I wanted to ask you, I'm very active and I play a lot of sports (MMA, volleyball, basketball, football, cycling, etc.) and I really enjoy it. Would having 4 inches increase (2 in femur and 2 in tibia) lower my chances of getting full recovery and getting back to these intense sports? As I really want to gain this much, but at the same time I don't want to lose my source of enjoyment. And what I mean by this is will I be able to get back 100% even if takes more time or will I be setting myself below 100% performance forever?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Do you plan to split the surgeries up by 1 year in between and allow 2 years to get back after intense rehab and rebuilding? If the answer is yes then you'd be fine. But I really suggest 6cm femurs and 4cm tibias as these are conservative yet also keeps tibia muscles happier and increases chances of a full recovery after rebuilding.

[@hamadsadran8411]

@@Cyborg4Life So, will that be 3 years in total? Also, did you make a video on how to prepare for a surgery? Planning to?

[@krishdgol3040]

Hi Vic can hcv history patient do this surgery ....hope your suggestion help meny others .....

[@Cyborg4Life]

Not entirely sure. Your primary care and then LL surgeon will do a medical work-up on you before you're admitted as a patient to be sure

[@krishdgol3040]

@@Cyborg4Life if possible plz do some research......thanku

[@r.azizzi5508]

Victor...that evil laugh and smile you kept cracking was insane! 🤣

[@Cyborg4Life]

Lol yeah it's a weird quirk of mine. I'm working on it haha

[@redneck-2485]

Hey Vic, I probably either missed out on it or couldn’t quite get a certain clearance. Given that Lengthening is different for everyone in terms of length, pain etc. Ofcourse depending on their range of motion, flexibility, age, weight. But, In an ideal case Could an individual expect a lengthening more than the average i.e 5.5-6 inches. Could one hope for numbers anywhere between 6-8, Given that the person is in an absolute optimal state required?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hmmm from what I know 6 seems to be the max I've seen besides those with forms of dwarfism...safely and that's a person in an optimal state. But 5 or even 6 inches is a ridiculous amount of height that I think would change the world of any patient that is able to achieve that. Even 3 inches is a lot...doubling that is otherworldly

[@kongsidagang]

Hey vic, i planned to do this surgery in the next 3 years (or perhaps next 5 years, if im unlucky). I currently have a plan like this: Year 0 (now) to year 1: focus on resistance training (especially deadlifts and calf raises, preferably more on the higher volume ranges). I still do cardio tho, im currently doing at least 2hrs of cycling and 1hr of running a week. I also do some stretching, but its bare minimum for now. Year 1 to year 2: shift from resistance training to cardio (i havent set any target, but i imagine i will need to bike at least 4 to 7hrs a week). I think i need to build "insane" cardio capacity to build up the pain tolerance. Still doing resistance training tho for maintenance and stretching is still minimal at this point. Year 2 to year 3: still going to do heavy load of cardio but i will introduce more flexibility and mobility routine in order to make my muscle loose. What do you think vic? Im targeting as many pain tolerance that i can get (probably around 3/10 pain level).

[@Cyborg4Life]

That's not a bad plan and although I can't say your pain level will be any lower your tolerance would definitely be boosted higher as well as your conditioning of your soft-tissues and help you stay disciplined to do the hard work of rehab when things get tough during lengthening. So yeah it should work

[@kathrynetruong1392]

Hello , the first week after the surgery you feel full pain when you not even move your leg , or less pain when the body laid down not moving ?

[@skit5175]

Hey cyborg can you interview dr Halil buldu from turkey🇹🇷

[@kyuss5729]

nobody who´s really serious and informed cares about this phoney

[@lel3450]

I had a ruptured disc hurt so bad I couldn’t get up to use the restroom at all. When it ruptured I felt my leg tingling like I was losing it. This was nerve pain straight up. Does it hurt more than that? I’ve burned my leg with a very hot motorcycle exhaust (old Honda motorcycle) on my calf area too.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Oh wow! Sorry to hear that. I hope you are doing better. The pain is more "constant" than that but probably not as bad because it is elective and not accidental. It still hurts but sounds like you're ready for it

[@churpseid8128]

Hey bro i've once removed the nerve of my teeth and it hurted a bit too much. But from what i know limb lengthening's pain is way smaller than a tooth nerve removal isnt that right?

[@zanyar-cw4yl]

Do you recommend 10h sleep before the surgery so that after the surgery when you can't sleep you already had your sleep?

[@latte-carnival9964]

Hi Victor have you done an interview with Neko’s surgeon? Also the pain levels seem to be varying a lot from people’s experiences. Do you think 5cm Tibia or 6cm Femur via internal stride would be more painful? Thanks.

[@skepo22]

Not today I keep hearing pain, am gonna do it for sure no matter what it takes do or die, just the matter of $$.

[@vinayakpawar-ju4eb]

I had arm lengthening surgery it’s been 3 months and it’s still pains but it’s not like first 1-2 week after surgery

[@Cyborg4Life]

Oh wow that's interesting! Thanks for sharing. Hope the recovery goes well!

[@victoriapiva3467]

Viktor, considering I had to broke my jaw in a surgery. And I couldn’t talk or eat, and felt pain (like really PAIN). Do you think I could manage LL pain?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Dang a broken jaw sounds rough. Yeah I think you'll be okay with the pain from LL. It can be tough early on but it's manageable.

[@Mad-Smith]

I think jaw surgery pain is potentially even worse. Like for LL if it really is unbearable you could get an epidural for regional pain management for the first few days.

[@chasingdreamsarah4792]

leg pain is more .bigger muscle .bone ,and you need to stand on it .and it take 8 month to finished

[@victoriapiva3467]

@@Cyborg4Life yeah it was… but I won…eventually

[@victoriapiva3467]

@@Mad-Smith thank god

[@pa7908]

Is the pain in the first three days of LON surgery so bad that I will be constantly screaming and not be able to think about anything other than the pain? Even with pain killers? If so, how can someone eat, sleep or use the restroom?

[@Cyborg4Life]

No it's not that bad. Just inescapably uncomfortable.

[@pa7908]

@@Cyborg4Life OK. I guess my insecurity is far worse then LOL.

[@HB-jm5ut]

I had it after a motorcycle accident, it fucking sucks

[@antonioperez-ly1rn]

I find it mind boggling that one can be medicated with morphine and still rate there pain 8 through 10 on a scale of 1 through 10 lol. I'm curious does the size of the osteotomy (break in bone) has anything to do with the pain a patient might feel. Could it be that the patients that had a significant amount of pain had a bigger break in their bone when they underwent surgery than patients who had a smaller break.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Lol yeah it's pretty crazy. Oh you mean like the type of break - saw vs. osteotome? Possibly but not necessarily as the break alone has lots of sensation so it will hurt regardless. Just some people are luckier than others I guess

[@LionsX4Lambs]

You only get morphine during or immediately after surgery. That leaves almost 90 days of non-morphine experience.

[@user-dp4kz1rz4d]

How do I measure my legs? Do I start at the hips or at the bottom of the glutes and go down to the ankles or to the feet?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Well preferably x-rays but I think most go from hip to ankle since that's the length of long bones (femur and tibia)

[@akevents484]

Bro my tibia bone is broken and feel soo much pain after surgery and the meds didnt work on me

[@Cyborg4Life]

What happened?

[@VandalIO]

Is there surgeries like toe lengthening or skull enlarging ?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Unlikely to ever see such a thing unless for deformities

[@cianog]

I've had a genioplasty. Is the pain comparable to having your chin broken and moved??

[@Cyborg4Life]

Probably different pain. That is probably very acute and localized to your face and upper neck but LL can be entire legs and other body due to lack of mobility (can't reposition self well after long sittings) etc. not to mention bigger bones bigger pain usually

[@cianog]

@@Cyborg4Life thanks for the response. Just trying to picture the pain relative to what I've experienced in the past.

[@Cyborg4Life]

@@cianog yeah it's hard to do with LL lol

[@AA-db9cb]

Can you ask a woman who's given birth and had LL which hurts more?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Well giving birth is much shorter so that's one upside

[@Sora-o]

I think giving birth is more painful lmao

[@Cyborg4Life]

@@Sora-o But it's so temporary...LL isn't lol

[@Pauleazy420]

I had this done when I was 16 in 1996. I Still have the Ilizarov device just collecting dust in my garage. I can say it was more painful then giving birth. I gave birth naturally on no meds.

[@lallimircci]

I’ve gone through both. Giving birth was barely bearable. Pain from the surgery was quite tolerable while resting, laying in bed. Walking hurt. But as the video says it becomes easier each day

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

Stupid question but Victor be honest please, you have been under general anaesthesia for a few times, did you ever notice any cognitive impairment or decline due to it? LL is a very long surgery so it would be feasible to have temporary cognitive complications like foggy memory and stuff like that but is this ever going to be irreversible? Doing LL just to “lose some IQ” (in a metaphorical way of speaking) wouldn’t ever be worth it if you pursue an academic career like me.

[@VisionQuest057]

Honestly I've never heard of permanent cognitive impairment resulting from a few hours of properly-administered general anesthetic - and I've done it probably 6 or 7 times in my life; some for necessary stuff, some for cosmetic stuff. I'm in the tech field and pursuing a Masters Degree so at the very least it hasn't made me completely retarded lol. I think if this were any kind of common side effect, they wouldn't just let people do it left and right for any little surgery. Do your own research of course, but I don't think going under for a few hours is going to turn you into a dimwit :)

[@Cyborg4Life]

Interesting question but no. I know there is temporary amnesia of right before going under and the first waking moments but anything more than that isn't permanent. Obviously I wasn't doing anything super detailed or technical day of any op but once you fully metabolize the anesthetic you should regain full cognition

[@Cyborg4Life]

@@VisionQuest057 I agree, I don't think it affects high level cognition. It's probably more along the lines of lacking sleep and once rested all is well

[@oscarfarmer7043]

Haha, this was my ONLY worry. So much that I was hoping surgeons allowed local anesthesia. Pain is one thing, but losing IQ is a huge fear of mine

[@Mad-Smith]

Hi there the narcotics that make you go unconscious work on neurotransmitter level, essentially they suppress ZNS activity by inhibiting certain neurotransmitters. There is a special order in which it always goes by which I mean your cortex will be out first and come back online last. This is good because that means you won’t experience the assisted ventilation / intubation process. So long before you actually wake up your brainstem (which will be suppressed last and clear of the inhibition first) is up and rolling lighting up spontaneous breathing again. This also explains why afterwards it may take sometime to be fully cognitively functional again as it takes some time for your body to break down all metabolites. Now for your question if it does lasting brain damage, the answer to that is no. You probably think of hypoxic brain injuries which happen if you OD in an uncontrolled setting (meaning you take the amount of drugs without it being a general anesthesia). Like I mentioned you stop breathing and there is a specific sequence to ensure your saturation levels don’t drop. That’s why you get the mask on your face, you breath pure O2 to put your levels up, later you get intubated. In a controlled setting there is no hypoxic phenomenon. You probably read something about having lasting cognitive impairment after having a surgery being connected to a heart lung machine and that is true. It is believed that the heart lung machine does a worse job at perfusing O2 rich blood than the actual cardiovascular system that’s why people tend to have slight cognitive impairment, it’s again a hypoxic problem. Keep in mind though that being connected to a heart lung machine is a whole different caliber and a thousand times more dangerous and invasive than these orthopaedic surgeries. For neurotransmitters it’s a reversible process that does not produce visible gross anatomical changes and neither histological changes. If it would we wouldn’t do it millions of times a year. You will be drugged out for some time then return back to normal without further problems. I hope my long response could help you with your fears, also I recommend to do general anesthesia instead of spinal block because it’s generally for you as a patient much more comfortable and less risk involved.

[@LJ-bh1tt]

But when u break your arm they put a cast on and it doesn’t hurt anymore the day after

[@Cyborg4Life]

A bit different here lol

[@LJ-bh1tt]

Haha yeah of course. I just said that bc broken arm was mentioned in video.

[@ty-xq7bl]

how the heck do they put a rod inside the bone??? wouldn't that ruin the bone in some way?

[@Cyborg4Life]

They drill out the bone and slide it in

[@PRASHANTGUPTA-cs6ww]

I just hope science comes a long way so we don't get to do these mediaeval type procedures just inject stem cells and viola reopen your growth plates

[@dennisguilder1]

Hey man, seems like they already are. You should look up that video from bonus biogroup “this Israeli company grows bones out of lab” look into tissue regeneration and gene therapy as well. I think in time we will be able to get stem cells, chondrocytes, progenitor cells, type 1&2 collagen fibers and make an artificial growth plate or get cells from a donor. Then, either inject stem cells to make you taller OR administer HGH to allow you to grow taller.

[@chinmay9306]

@@dennisguilder1 will it be able to increase our spine length?

[@Mad-Smith]

@Zefiro C don’t inject hgh if your levels are normal it’s dangerous and giving you side effects and that’s basically it. From a medical standpoint I don’t see a way “reopening” growth plates would become a thing in the near future. Unfortunately LL is the only option for grown adults.

[@dennisguilder1]

@@Mad-Smith I said potentially HGH….calm down. Nobody is going to shoot up anything until further studies are done. Problem with limb lengthening in dwarfism it doesn’t fix their proportions or rib cage either. So it’s not even that great. Just all you’d have for now. I also said the other method is stem cells to grow taller as well. Guess people never read the full comments…

[@dennisguilder1]

@@Mad-Smith also that’s if you take astronomical doses for long periods of time

[@jacoberiksson5903]

How would this compare to breaking a bone by accident?

[@Cyborg4Life]

The pain may be similar right after surgery but probably worse - due to the contrast of being fine beforehand - but the process of LL is way harder

[@TanvirAhmed-kd2zi]

How many cost for taking height increasing surgery? physically hurt no matter.

[@Cyborg4Life]

It costs quite a bit - $80-100k USD

[@hax7432]

Hey vector I'm 19 years old going to 20 can i take hgh to increase my height?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Probably not I assume your growth plates have closed. A good way to check is to see an orthopedic surgeon and get x-rays

[@pa7908]

Make sure to consult the doctor first as some people have grown in their 30s.

[@AlisaFantasia1722]

Is it more painful with ilizarov method?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Well I was referring to LL in general but no the external fixator is most likely more painful

[@AlisaFantasia1722]

@@Cyborg4Life is it also more time consuming? Like we do not have yet that advance facilities available in our country, only few specialists are performing ilizarov method.

[@FU114di]

I wonder why they do not prescribe testosterone or human growth hormone for the recovery of the bone? Wouldn’t it make sense to do so?

[@Cyborg4Life]

They can't do that lol. Plus that stuff doesn't help nearly as much as eating in a slight surplus with ideal micronutrients from supplements. Check out this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3rap4CEjJurpZo

[@akevents484]

My surgery like tibia bone lengthingg

[@Cyborg4Life]

What type of surgery was it? LL?

[@belgiumtanz9467]

All the guys here I’m a girl I’m 158cm I want to be 5’5 I’m 5’2 rn. Should I go for LL.

[@Cyborg4Life]

If it makes sense for you you could consult with a surgeon and find out more

[@winkku9695]

short girls are cute doe

[@SouthIndianHours]

What is your current height victor and how much height you gained with limb lengthening surgery.

[@Cyborg4Life]

174.5cm now. Did about 4cm on tibia so I guess I was around 170ish. Good times. How bout you? Goals?

[@SouthIndianHours]

@@Cyborg4Life hey victor, how we can minimize Time of Two limb lengthening surgery..

[@mbekezelindlovu6050]

Isn't there any other way rather than limb lengthening

[@Cyborg4Life]

Not yet at least. Perhaps way in the future

[@entertain13875]

i got it done today in india

[@Cyborg4Life]

Congrats! I wish you the best!

[@ty-xq7bl]

how are you now

[@LionsX4Lambs]

This will be the worst pain you've ever encountered in x90 days. I disagree that the pain chart is a straight line down. It's more like a wave. Some days during your 2nd or 3rd month, you will encounter severe 8+/10 pain. PLEASE STOP listening to people who say after the second week, the pain drops considerably. The pain lingers throughout the process, some days worse than others. I have seen a famous leg lengthening company that keeps lying to patients about "little to no pain." Skip their commercials; this will be the worst pain and some of the most emotional 3+ months of your life. I can't emphasize that enough.

[@Cyborg4Life]

The pain does drop after 2-3 weeks for most patients. I've spoken to hundreds of actual LL patients and the vast majority can confirm. HOwever it does vary so maybe you were in more pain than others. But yes it is painful so many people who say not painful are likely not telling the truth

[@LionsX4Lambs]

@@Cyborg4Life , I agree with you to some extent. It also depends on the method. I used the LON, and so did everyone at the clinic I was in. Precise 2 might have a considerable drop, but LON pain comes and goes, perhaps not as consistently as in the first two weeks, but as all of the soft tissues stretch and interact with the metals running through them, it becomes even more painful (in the LON method). We would all joke that we've been waiting for the 2-week drop in pain weeks ago. In fact, the pain during the last two weeks of lengthening is just as bad as the first two weeks. That's when we'd joke that the body is telling us we've reached our limit. I gained 8.7 cm and lost 20 pounds (normal average weight 174 lbs). Anyway, I watched almost all of your videos, and they helped a lot with my preparation.

[@Kyle-il4ft]

How much recovery time should I expect to get back to normal life ( meaning like walking normally, being able to have sex, light running or jogging) after lengthening my femur 6.5 cm? Also do you think dr Donghoon Lee in south korea is a safe bet for this surgery? Thanks id very much appreciate it if u answer my question

[@Kyle-il4ft]

Btw im 164.3 cm hoping to reach 170 or 171

[@MM-sf6fp]

Hey, did you get any response from dr lee clinic? I’ve been trying to contact them for sometime now, but still no response.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Give it at least 5-6 months

[@Kyle-il4ft]

@@MM-sf6fp if possible u should call directly

[@Kyle-il4ft]

@@Cyborg4Life thanks

[@alenabraham120]

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[@kareemnooreldeen3341]

First

[@Cyborg4Life]

Always are thanks