Potential Long-Term Effects of Limb Lengthening Surgery...Part 2

[@NevoReuven]

Thanks god you’re here man! I’m thinking about it a lot! I’m a bboy ( breakdancer) and hope it’ll not damage my future 😌

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

It can. You’ll need to rehab and learn how to dance with your longer limbs.

[@kaliswalis4904]

Bro you help us a lot! Keep continuing the work

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

He’s the only reason I’m getting this surgery.

[@sepomushaukwa9006]

Thanks again Victor.I was actually happy to know that the legs bones will get bigger over time cause I was worried bc I have slim legs already and thought they will long even slimmer.Great info 🔥🔥🔥

[@kerryv2766]

Awesome video! Thanks Victor! Just got my daughter's leg length checked again after a recent growth spurt and it's still at 1centimeter so the difference isn't getting bigger yet. She's only 9. Fingers crossed it will catch up because it is already causing a lot of problems with her gymnastics.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hey Kerry! I really hope that by time she's done growing the difference evens out. More than 1cm seems to be a threshold before it really affects things although athletics like gymnastics can exacerbate things. Keep me posted!

[@kerryv2766]

@Sero Suit Thanks for the response :) My daughter is a gymnast and started over compensating on one side which has now led to a problem in her hip joint that we are getting an MRI on next week. She is going to physical therapy and acupuncture twice a week to get back in alignment.

[@ItsMoneyMakingMitch]

Thanks victor, a 2nd video on this was necessary Changes of becoming paralysed or stuck in a wheelchair

[@miladkhan9571]

How much chances of that?

[@oknoid8068]

5ft 7. I'm on the fence on getting limb lengthening surgery especially since I am a runner.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

You will be able to run after limb lengthening surgery. Just have to rehab.

[@xierraleone1905]

You may be able to run faster

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@xierraleone1905 never thought of that. The longer legs could help you run faster.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@lukesanders7194 how tall are you now?

[@skepo22]

@@lukesanders7194 u did it already? Which hospital? Is it painful?

[@PIECRUST27]

Appreciate your content cyborg!

[@sanjayn6054]

Bro please make a video on ideal age for this surgery and at what age average people do this surgery

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

Ideal age is over is 18 and below age 50. You can still get it when you’re older, it’s just gonna come with lots of complications.

[@maxim1-h4e]

Hey Victor, what do you think about the heart having to pump extra having to push blood down and back up a now taller body ( & lengthier limbs)? Its something that I've thought about and it's something those who want to increase their height considerably should look into and consider.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Sure so the body will easily adapt to create enough vascularization to supply it's new tissue (in this case bone and muscle). I really don't think patients should worry about the body having blood flow issues after LL. Also, the distraction rate helps the body gradually adjust and prepare for this transition to this new environment. So in the end, even 3 inches of gradual bone length shouldn't affect blood flow but if it is still a worry, doing cardio post-consolidation is a great way to ensure tissues are amply oxygenated as well as optimal nutrient delivery for faster recovery

[@bully33]

@@Cyborg4Life Hi, so there is new tissue created ? I thought your muscles would just stretch so technically you would have the same muscle mass in legs.

[@Cyborg4Life]

@@bully33 Check out this video and the articles in description it should help explain it better than I could here

[@bully33]

@@Cyborg4Life Thanks man ! Will do

[@bobj3388]

Hey Victor, this was an awesome video! Keep up the great content! Will distraction osteogenesis in adults who’ve reached skeletal maturity increase sarcomere length in muscles or simply stretch the muscle into its new relaxed position?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Phenomenal question and to be honest I would say it's a grey area. Some surgeons say the former and some say the latter. I agree with the former in that you can gain new tissue growth as per Dr. Rozbruch here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZyuo2Zvh7qSmNE. But I also plan to look into this research as it relates to extreme stretching that LL can cause: themusclephd.com/hypertrophy-vs-hyperplasia/#:~:text=In%20short%2C%20no%3B%20skeletal%20muscle,a%20controlled%20resistance%20training%20protocol. Hoping to get around to this video in the near future

[@bobj3388]

Thanks for sharing your input and the corresponding links! Definitely looking forward to future content!

[@tlozq8939]

Hey cyborg - brilliant video once again. Any recommendations on UK based DR’s or where to undergo this in the UK ?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Good question; I'll do my best to get information on this and if so a possible interview to follow.

[@highnoon7097]

I'd be interested in this too, not much info out there on surgeons performing this in UK

[@Cyborg4Life]

@@highnoon7097 I've reached out the other day. We'll see if they respond...

[@highnoon7097]

@@Cyborg4Life much appreciated. Hopefully they realise the marketing value of getting coverage on KZbin, if nothing else. Not sure many UK surgeons realise how influential a platform it is.

[@Roy2034]

6:08 what do you mean by that? Is there a chance tha that I wouldnt be able to move my leg again after the surgery?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Not that serious of an effect but possibly some slight numbness to the touch or nerve irritation

[@Roy2034]

@@Cyborg4Life maybe do a video about nerve irritation, the chance of being in constant pain

[@Cyborg4Life]

@@Roy2034 It's rather rare to be long lasting more than a few months but good suggestion I'll consider thanks!

[@beetle1087]

Hi can you go into more detail of why the problems with LON femur leg lengthening. I had this surgery a few weeks ago and am 15mm in.

[@johnseymore3944]

Very informative channel : ) What is your opinion on Anterior pelvic tilt ( lordosis ) and femur lengthening? Do you think it would get alot worse from lengthening 2"? Would you advice against it if I already have a pretty big lordosis? Thank you

[@Cyborg4Life]

Good question. So it would depend what's causing your anterior pelvic tilt more and how long you had it/how severe it is. For example if you've had a bit of hyper lumbar lordotic spine curvature due to tight hip flexors and or weak glutes etc. then it could be managed through physical therapy & exercise. Doing femur lengthening will definitely result in losing glute strength, tightening of hip flexors so IT'S POSSIBLE that LL could make it worse or exacerbate your current issue a bit. Now, if you've had the apt and lordotic alignment due to years of poor posture and muscle imbalance it could be hard to say and a surgeon would need a lateral view spinal x-ray to determine degrees from neutral it is etc. and determine if you'd have lumbar issues post-LL. It'd be best if this was a LL surgeon as they would understand how lengthening would affect you more. But here's the good news, doing 5cm (as you mentioned) I doubt it would get significantly worse than it is and unless you have severe pain (and not just a skewed posture appearance) then you should be okay and I doubt the surgeon would be worried as long as aggressive physio is done. This is just my opinion though lol, so I can't say for sure but I hope it wouldn't bother you much.

[@AA-db9cb]

Hey man, thanks for all the videos. I'm curious, what happens to the hole that was drilled into the bone? Does it fill back up after the rod has been removed? Also, what happens to the marrow that was displaced by the rod? Does it regrow?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Great question and from what I was told from other surgeons it will regenerate yes but not in the same manner. I have a surgeon coming on this week for a livestream I'll ask to be sure

[@AA-db9cb]

@@Cyborg4Life Appreciate it. Thanks!

[@infinitesaiyan5320]

Always watching youre videos for LL informations and you never disappoint. By the way, how long do you think is it going to take to get back to lifting heavy weights with upper body exercises like overhead press or bench press, after surgery (of course doing the rehab regularly and having good nutrition through the recovery process, getting enough sleep etc.)? With like a femur lengthening of 5-6cm.

[@Cyborg4Life]

For that length I would say about 10months to 1yr to be safe. I mean You'll probably be able to go hard by 8 months but legs are used in some of those lifts so that's to be safe

[@infinitesaiyan5320]

@@Cyborg4Life and how long would you say would it take to participate in combat sports like wrestling or even kickboxing in that case?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Depends on individual but probably at least 1.5 to 2 years for full bone hardening and muscle maturity

[@davids.3584]

@@Cyborg4Life Will my legs look weird if I grow from 5 7 to 5 10. Won't my femur look too long compared to my tibia? Also... let's say I'm crawling on my knees and decide to sit on my feet and tibia. Will they even reach anymore?

[@Cyborg4Life]

@@davids.3584 It's unlikely to be very noticeable but I suppose it can make certain positions a bit more cumbersome until you figure out an easier way to get used to it

[@VariableSin]

What is the effect on the way your leg muscles look? I'm assuming they appear smaller because they're more stretched out?

[@radeonbenchmarks2024]

something that i wanted to ask you about, if i'm 5'6 and i get the surgery to be 5'10, what happens to my weight, does my ideal weight suddently becomes the one for 5'10 person? how does that work?

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

The extra bone will add more Weight.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Not suddenly and you gotta remember you’re only gaining bone in your legs not new tissue everywhere else as naturally would happen. So perhaps after years of muscle maturity it could be 1/3 heavier assuming you trained or did similar activities to now

[@johnnypinkleton9410]

So it looks like the tibial lengthening means possibly screwing through the cartilage. Correct me If Im wrong. It seems the femur lengthening is much safer as it does not require going through cartilage.

[@Cyborg4Life]

No a surgeon here says that it doesn't go through your knee joint: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJSZkISKfbKarpo

[@MemeValiDidi0]

Hey victor, I wanted to ask if I undergo quadrilateral lengthening on all my four segments, On the REMOVAL of internal rods will i have to undergo two surgeries again or all the four nails can be removed at once.

[@Cyborg4Life]

If you time it right - for example if you do the tibias and then 1 month later the femurs. You let both bone segments fully heal and rehab well, then the surgeon can take everything out in one go no problem - so yes.

[@MemeValiDidi0]

@@Cyborg4Life thank you

[@Cyborg4Life]

@ after the beginning of surgery

[@edwardh4976]

Hi Victor. I am concerned about chronic pain in the legs for doing the surgery....You know, your bone hurts when it rains. Does it happen with you?

[@Cyborg4Life]

I may have felt some differences when I still had the lengthening device in. But once it was removed there's no worry

[@MetroSnailcatSK]

I broke my femur 23 years back and had a bar of steel inside my bone cavity with all the knots and screws up until now. And I never felt any pain or anything like there's something inside it.

[@enriquezhao5674]

it's same as you break your bone. my arm was broken and I did the surgery well. Not a single pain in rainy day. But I think it might be a different story for lengthen your leg.

[@puggyk4220]

Did you talk dr lee?

[@Cyborg4Life]

There is an interview in my videos with him

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

Are you still making a video on what the surgeon can deny you on?

[@hamodarashdan]

Did someone know about Dr halil buldu or have done the surgery with him?

[@avijitmaity3354]

Will my physical health be the same after surgery if i do the PT and stretches well?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hopefully; bone alignment is a very important factor for long-term health. But muscle-wise it really depends on how much your body can tolerate. But yes, PT and rehab is everything after you leave the hospital on day 3

[@goldenblue1780]

my calf bone wasn't done on the first surgery so the doc said it'll be done in after 3days so can you just explain me the amount of pain for only calf bone pls by the way it's external fixator LRS

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

Can I stay in my bed after stretching and doing physical therapy?

[@Cyborg4Life]

You mean to take a nap lol? Jk yeah you can do a lot of your stretches in bed, I did. But also you'll have to get up and go to PT sessions too

[@huejass3]

Hey man so you went from 5'7 to 5'9. I'm curious what is your arm span? I'm going to go through with the lengthening but concerned about proportion

[@Cyborg4Life]

I have a large wingspan which is somewhat evident when standing up yet makes things like deadlifting more mechanically advantageous for me as opposed to bench press and other arm-related work. I would say you could do some digital proportion mockups to get an idea prior to LL

[@miladkhan9571]

Hey victor Is muscle imbalance only for discrepancy or it happens for cosmetic lim lengthening too ?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Mainly discrepancy but it could technically happen for cosmetic too especially if they lengthen and don’t maintain proper ROM in that given muscle it could develop an imbalance no doubt

[@alextran2128]

Can you run or go hiking after the surgery? Does the surgery affect your sport activities?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Yes hiking is fine eventually with recovery

[@goldenblue1780]

Hey bro what method of limb lenghtening surgery did you had I'm having LRS method so can you explain more about it as I'm unable to find much about it in the internet🙏

[@Cyborg4Life]

When you say LRS does that mean lengthening rail system or lengthening rod system?

[@goldenblue1780]

@@Cyborg4Life "limb reconstruction system"

[@goldenblue1780]

Can I send you picture?

[@Cyborg4Life]

@@goldenblue1780 I assume it's an external fixator of some sort but you can send via email; cyborg4life.com/contact or my IG DM I should check eventually @bigvicpro

[@goldenblue1780]

@@Cyborg4Life bro it's look like a combination of rail n rod as I have like 9rod pierce through my leg n also sorry for the late reply as I got rip off by doctor

[@dylanole8496]

What is a realistic timeframe to regain athleticism and balance for 3.5 inches? (174 cm - 183 cm). I'm willing to do all the work. Whatever it takes.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

About a year. But I would not recommend this if you’re becoming an athlete...

[@mohammedthaer3267]

Hello, if I do the surgery how long will I need to recover fully to do weight lifting?

[@Cyborg4Life]

It will vary a lot between patients but usually after about 8-12 months once bone is fully healed you can train comfortably again.

[@6ozlbz606]

Hey bro i read you need funding for alternative leg lengthening surgery ??

[@陈无名-l1m]

Can I do basketball or snowboarding after the surgery?

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

You will be able to play basketball after surgery, you’re just going to have to rehab really well. Don’t know about snowboarding, though. You might need to learn how to balance again. (I have very little knowledge on snowboarding.)

[@minx8506]

Is it possible to go for 7 and a half inches? 3.75 inches for both femurs and tibias?

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

Most people can get 4 to 6 inches. 7 and a half would be too much. Although a guy did get 8 inches before, he had to deal with a lot of pain and a lot of physical therapy, also you need to spend much more on arm lengthening so you can function properly. Just not Worth it, man. How tall are you?

[@lucasss_888]

@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 that’s Apotheosis right?

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@lucasss_888 the guy who got 8 inches? I don’t know, I’ve heard people talk about him. That’s all I know about him, the guy who got 8 inches.

[@akash-lz2dq]

how much height have you increased,in how many months you will to go office

[@dylanole8496]

Hi Cyborg. Would you say 3.5 inches is a conservative amount for an aspiring pro athlete?

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

It is. Anymore and you have a chance of messing up your athletic ability. But it’s not recommended.

[@Cyborg4Life]

First of all, I don't think this surgery should be done if you're aspiring to become a professional athlete. If you're finished competing and you wish to remain competitive for pick-up games then 3.5cm is conservative but not 3.5 inches - unless amongst two surgeries spread apart

[@dylanole8496]

@@Cyborg4Life Cheers Victor. Cricket isn't a contact sport (basically baseball) , and I'm willing and motivated to do whatever it takes. But why wouldn't you recommend it, if, with work and dedication, you can become stronger and better than before?

[@edwardh4976]

@@dylanole8496 Well the thing is athletes are very sensitive to minor changes to their bodies, and lengthening your legs will throw off your biomechanics and it take years to rebuild, by then you would have wasted 3-4 years of your peak performance. Also, there is no guarantee that you will be 100%, not even Paley not Rozbruch can promise full recovery. Thus, if you aspire to be an athlete and want to do lengthening then it is wasting the time you can perform in your career and potentially jeopardise your performance

[@edwardh4976]

@@dylanole8496 In other words, yes it is possible for you to have a full recovery, but it is very challenging and doesn’t happen with everybody.

[@juricabotic6920]

Hey I was writing before you havent noticed I have long legs (53%of body) and I am 5'7. With 3 inch in femurs I would be on 55%percent.Can I still do the LL or this is very big percent of legs.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

I hate to say it, but you are going to look weird if you get this. Do you have short arms? You can still get the surgery.

[@juricabotic6920]

@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 No, I have longer arms than my height. I don't know whether I have measured my legs correctly.Because I measured them from toes to my butt and my inseam is normal.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@juricabotic6920 you should be functional after you get the surgery. I have decently long arms, I’m getting the full 6 inches.

[@juricabotic6920]

@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 I only want 3 inches.With 2 inch shoes I look normal to me so I dont know.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@juricabotic6920 I’m getting the full 6 inches. Most people can only get 4 to 5 inches, a lot have gotten 6, through.

[@YOUTUBE_CHRIS]

Does limb lengthening make your body look disproportionate?

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

It can if you had normal proportions. Having longer legs won’t hurt you, it might make you look weird if you had a short spine, it can hinder you if you had short arms.

[@YOUTUBE_CHRIS]

@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 When I was born I had a surgery that a doctor said stunted my growth, my armspan is that of a 5'10 person however I think my torso is the bigger part of my body, I'd like to at least be 5'10 since the doctor who informed me of my stunted growth said that is as short as he would guestimate I would've been.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@KZbin_CHRIS This could actually make you look proportional... short legs?

[@YOUTUBE_CHRIS]

@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 yeah, unfortunately, coming up with 90k is gonna be, really hard, not to mention supporting myself during the rehab period...

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@KZbin_CHRIS you can get a loan.

[@chaseramos4865]

Hey I’m wondering if it’s possible to grow 2 inches and be fully recovered in 4 months? And how much would this cost and who should I go to for this?

[@chaseramos4865]

Also Im in the US

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

4 months is too early, probably around 6 to 7 months recovery. Then again everyone is different, you can probably be recovered in 3 months if you’re good at recovering. You could be early or late on recovery. When I get it, I bet I will take 1 year to recover. Some might recover very early. Good luck!

[@Laiba.khan_kitchen]

Hey bro, do you know any doctor from Pakistan?

[@starbery911]

What is a good amount of inches without being extreme? I’m thinking 3 or 4 inches.

[@Cyborg4Life]

More like 2 inches is conservative for femurs and 1.5 for tibias. This procedure is tough on the soft-tissues

[@ty-xq7bl]

@@Cyborg4Life so typically you want to do both bones at once?

[@tasnimrahmanhridi4161]

Can you tell me if I take the surgery in Korea how much will be the cost of the surgery?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Unfortunately I'm not sure of the exact cost

[@tasnimrahmanhridi4161]

@@Cyborg4Life Can u guess?

[@tasnimrahmanhridi4161]

@@Cyborg4Life Can u try to find out and tell me?? Plz plz. I badly need to know that

[@petershi4725]

@@tasnimrahmanhridi4161 Google is a faster and more reliable method of obtaining the information in this era. I am a little disappointed to found out that there are still those who do not possess such ability and awareness, yet demanding a kind KZbinr to do the work for him for free.

[@tasnimrahmanhridi4161]

@@petershi4725 Hi. Thanks for your kind advice. Forgive my curiosity. Have you done the surgery?

[@firas00al42]

How much % this happen ?

[@senzr29]

if I did this surgery on the femurs with a credible doctor to achieve 5 cm, is that conservative and would that lessen the chances of complications a significant amount compared to people going for 7-8cm?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Every patient is different but yes, it's very likely 5cm will be safer than 7-8cm in most cases

[@yuneko3881]

How much did you lengthen cyborg?

[@edxander7169]

Hey cyborg, where do you recommend me getting this cosmetic limb lengthening surgery here in California? As I am serious about getting this pretty soon.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

I’d recommend getting it where you live. It’s the fastest way.

[@edxander7169]

@Sero Suit hmm is that in la? Also how do you know he's the best mate ;)

[@xierraleone1905]

Ok so I have a question, if I break both bones, how much height max can I gain?

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

4 to 6 inches. 6 is a little overdoing it but you can get 5 safely.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

I am so sorry for that. I did not feel like spell checking my sentence and I it guess auto corrected to that.

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@Alan-gu1hp that’s correct.

[@xierraleone1905]

@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 so I can’t get both surgeries at once?

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@xierraleone1905 no. There has to be some time apart.

[@skyflyers444]

Can you tell at which age most guys height stops growing

[@Cyborg4Life]

It varies quite a bit but I believe it's around 17yrs give or take a few years

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

Everyone is different. Some stop at 16, some 18, some early 20s.

[@maxim1-h4e]

My conclusion after years of examining LL for shin using a nail is unlike femoral lengthening with the nail which is much safer than doing an external fixture for the femur, LL with a nail for the shin actually has the opposite effect starting with knee cartilage damage to bumps forming within the joint. My advice to those considering LL of the tibias with an internal nail is DONT do it. Stick to an external brace (for the tibias).

[@ab1nash.]

But exfix in tibia is being done with LON too. Which will be the same in this case, as u've to insert a rod through the knee first just like inserting any internal lengthening nail. But If u r saying to only do it just by an external fixator without using LON method, then it will be pretty extreme. U've to keep the external fixator remain attached to your legs until the bones get fully consolidated, which is basically 1-1.5 yr of minimum time.

[@karthimgh25]

2cm lld what is solution my age is 19

[@Cyborg4Life]

You could use shoe lifts or you could get LL surgery. Depends on how much it bothers you. You’re young enough to heal very well

[@karthimgh25]

Thanks

[@filterupdated]

How painful is it on a scale of 1-100

[@Cyborg4Life]

I assume you mean the surgery. It has phases and everyone's pain tolerance is different but I'd say an average of 85-90 in first 2-3 weeks. Then big drop-off to about a 40-50 then about 10-30 8 weeks in if at all

[@theheaven2585]

Sir i want to do limb length! I want some advice.. I'm 17 years old!... I'm 5" 3 inch tall! My dad 5"6 and mom 5feet...my 2 elder brothers are 5"8inch.. Now Should i wait for age 21 or do the surgury! Can you please suggest me..It's take me in depression🥺

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

Check if your growth plates are still open. If they are closed, I would recommend the surgery. If open, wait until the growth plates close.

[@theheaven2585]

@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 thank you so much sir! How much cost in india.. I live in Bangladesh! It's beside india! And which part should i X-ray! Please suggest...

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@theheaven2585 in India it’s around $8000. X-ray your leg bones.

[@theheaven2585]

@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 can you send me a video where growth plate x ray explain nicely

[@averyjudgementalsoldier8303]

@@theheaven2585 I don’t think he has links allowed.

[@karimnourel-din-7412]

First 🇪🇬👍🇪🇬

[@Cyborg4Life]

Speed demon you are!

[@karimnourel-din-7412]

Ur spreading great knowledge Thanks bro

[@davids.3584]

@@Cyborg4Life Hey Cyborg, I'm planning on getting leg lengthening surgery in the future. However, my biggest concern is that my knee placement will appear too low. I'm 5 7.5 and what to grow 3 inches by the femur. Won't my knee look too low? Or will I just look like a typical guy who's 5 10.5

[@deleted_handle]

Why human so weak. So weak.

[@ld9493]

I will do my arms next year I want to know do both arms at the same time ?

[@Cyborg4Life]

I'm not certain how all doctors do it but probably at the same time

[@ld9493]

@@Cyborg4Life What about the time between leg and arms surgery? Is it all the same year?