HOW MUCH!?! Price of Ceramic Sprays Staggered me

[@jamesstanley7263]

People used to pay over £250 for a pot of ‘boutique’ wax that lasts 2-3 months. For the longevity you get, I’d argue these sealant’s are a bargain

[@joeschmoe6908]

Those people were suckers, you can't use their behavior to justify the rip-offs of the current era.

[@ForensicDetailing]

a lot cheaper and simpler to make these than a wax with the water based ones at least. making a wax is a lot more complicated because you need to melt waxes, but also be carefull with temperatures and certain materials which can be damaged if you heat them (certain polymers). but yer wax still isnt a massivly expensive thing. I think the mystery around wax making isnt such a thing any more. so long gone are the 1000 pound wax days. :)

[@karlhulme8014]

You need to factor in the sheer enjoyment that some people get from waxing a car as opposed to using a sealant, which ( for me) is just a chore. I’m completely happy to shell out ‘silly money’ for a wax that gives me the fun of the process and gives me a great result.

[@damiansutube]

Thanks for the video. I’ve given up on water based sealants and anything under 1 year realistic durability. With how easy something like cancoat is being solvent based wipe on and wipe off with 1 year durability on outdoor daily driven cars in Texas with blistering heat. I keep a couple short term products around just when I want extra pops of gloss and the occasional 2-3 times a year maintenance. Cancoat per liter is outrageously expensive however. lol but luckily one can will very conservatively coat at least 4 vehicles. More wipe on wipe off solvent based coatings seem to be hitting the market too. I feel like that’s the future for sealant ease of application. Anyway thanks again. I love the channel!

[@79blustone]

A siezed trigger is a hallmark of a decent ceramic spray! 😂 That's why Gyeon Cancoat gave you 3 triggers and mentioned cleaning the trigger with warm water afterwards. Your test has proven the quality of the Si Ramic Lustrious. Got my eyes on that one once Gtechiq C2 runs out

[@jcoul1sc]

Or a lazy user 😀

[@79blustone]

@@jcoul1sc I guess, although it should be labelled on the bottle tbf. You can save triggers that way, but you'll need a separate cap for the bottle while the trigger is drying out as you don't want to introduce water or moisture from the cleaned out trigger back in the bottle.

[@ForensicDetailing]

bit more to it than that though with respect. So I dont think Siramik is a true ceramic. (dont think it claims to be) I think its a silicone resin disolved in solvent. The trigger seizing is ok. But they perhaps need to make people aware of it. supply a few maybe. lots of guys might buy it and then end up tipping it on the car after the trigger breaks.

[@jcoul1sc]

@ForensicDetailing I would never do that honestly 😇

[@owensteele1645]

Isn't CanCoat basically an aerosol ceramic clear coat?

[@puregingegaming5702]

Hope you're well John, I have a bottle of Vonnix Blend on its way to me, on recommendation on your last video on these. Keep up the great content, I love it.

[@brandywell44]

I started using Turtle Wax Seal and Shine a year ago and it is by far the best finishing product I have used on my car which lives outside on the drive. It is claimed to last six months but I find its performance tails off after three months. I have never found any other product as good. It cost me £20 for five litres which will last many years. I don't feel I need any other product. It works best with clay bar beforehand.

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer its a really solid product. very cheap. but shines up nice and lasts well. I do say in a few videos once you find a product that works in a certain genre, you dont need to explore other really because it will only be tiny differences. But for lots its like an addiction trying new stuff :)

[@snsum2853]

​@ForensicDetailing it's a shame turtle wax discontinued the black spray one which was fantastic and now have the silver spray one, I've eventually found myself coming back full circle to some of the old detailing products iv used many years ago and finding out they're not that far more the more exotic competition in performance, just less expensive and less marketing to go with it, and like you rightly pointed out with the ceramic washes its very hard to tell the difference between most for the average Joe and that's for most detailing products

[@ra305]

Good morning to you dear friend, I have been following you on KZbin for a long time and finally I am writing to thank you for everything you present to us and how you do it very well, very well. I only buy the products that you perform very precise and scrupulous tests. Unfortunately, here in Italy I often cannot find them. But I am writing to you both to thank you but also to tell you that you are right to think and evaluate them ALSO BASED ON THEIR PRICE, because they are too expensive and for me it is not justified. Best regards and be well. 🤩🤩🤩

[@ForensicDetailing]

Gratzi my friend

[@m88ttc]

Siramik Lustrous plus is an amazing product. Expensive but quality. Fair point about the trigger though

[@danstimelessclassics5899]

The one you put on my Porsche is insanely good ❤

[@DuncanNewton-w8i]

Lots to chose from and the prices do vary but i would use Autobrite Hardcoat because it lasts months on end for £25 a bottle , hydrophobic properties are insane and gives great gloss and no need to reply after each wash and the car keeps it's shine still

[@Darkcruzer23]

I pay based on performance. In America I think the average is $20-25. Collinite is $25. But I'd gladly by the siramik for $30-40 because it was hands down the best performer and would last longer per your tests. Lasting longer means less work I have to do which means time saved

[@owensteele1645]

I would have to valet six cars after tax and public liability insurance before I could afford to purchase 1 litre of the SiRamik product. Very expensive and hard to justify.

[@jamesfoote8916]

The problem is then compare to how long they last, you don’t need 1 litre of SiRamik and it just lasts and lasts so at £45 is it poor value I would say no it is not. On your test is looked amazing and I have to say that is the one I will be buying. My BH hydro-wax is lasting very nicely and I could almost do with it failing so I can put something else on.

[@owensteele1645]

A recent video on the Project Nigel channel covered the topic of using WD40 (other lubricants are available, I know, I know!) to improve swirls and minor scratches. I might try doing that one day next time I get an old banger in, but when I'm in a rush to get a car done, I just use the 'Pink Panther Trade Polish' all-in-one which is loaded with fillers before following up with the AutoSmart Platinum. The 'just-freshly-lacquered look' lasts for months.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Don't use WD to correct paint m8. It's a lubricant that's thinned in solvent. If you cover paint in olive oil it will hide scratches in same way.

[@oops5887]

3*473 ml of Armour Detail Supply Sealant (buy 2 get 1) costs 49.99 usd. So 1 L costs 35$ or 27 pounds if buy in USA.

[@victoryensured7137]

Yeah price is a non-factor cuz of the avalability here in the EU, nobody heard and knows about ADS, and will not as they just won't be competetive here, and that's their business. LOTS of other products here that are amazing value and avalible everywhere. Avalability is key

[@jamesstone1772]

I still use the turtlewax seal and shine. Brilliant for the money and still only £9

[@billbuss7542]

I haven’t found that any of these add much in the way of appearance and gloss. A little protection for a fairly high price.

[@keithblacknell957]

Nice one Jon, this is what I was alluding to about value for money. My personal favourite at the moment is only available in 500ml @ £16 and I'm happy with that for 4-6months protection.

[@donniev8181]

Turtle Wax Hybrid solutions works great and i believe Project Farm test 5 or 6 of the top selling brands.

[@chrism1157]

For a ceramic detailer, $15US for 16oz is reasonable. For a multi month sealant, $25 US for 16oz is reasonable. The most I've spent was $60US for 16oz of the System X Renew, which seemed to last a long time.

[@ForensicDetailing]

sounds about right mate.

[@owensteele1645]

Mitchell and King's 'Wax+' is an Si02-based spray wax that receives good press. It would be interesting to hear a Forensic opinion of this product from the high-end Paisley-based wax-making specialist. - Only £14.99 per litre!

[@noelsaw]

Prices (inflation) has really gone up last few months.

[@mespud6753]

The siramik trigger spray has a small tab that needs turning 90, rather than it pointing forward. Just like the angelwax trigger sprays. I don’t think yours have seized up.

[@ForensicDetailing]

No M8 they are seized trust me

[@petersmith7126]

Jeez, with that first one you'd be as well spending another £100-£150 and getting the car machine polished and ceramic coated

[@ScottRoberts-ks7wf]

Siramik on my car now just passing 10 months, still protects and beads like day 1! It's the best product in this line up by a massive margin! 50 quid is a bargain!

[@BrianW1612]

Good luck getting anything decent for £100-150. You are talking £300 minimum for a proper detailer to properly prep & coat the car with a decent product.

[@petersmith7126]

@@BrianW1612 ... If you would read what I said you'd see that I said "with that first one you'd be as well sending ANOTHER £100-£150 pounds" not spend £100-£150 ...

[@BrianW1612]

@@petersmith7126 A bottle is less than £50, you still aren't getting your car properly prep'd & coated for £150-200. Add to that the 250ml bottle of Lustrous will do 10 cars+ and your comment still looks stupid.

[@petersmith7126]

@@BrianW1612 maybe where you live I'd my car done for £250 with the infinity wax synergy 2 year coating for £250 after a single stage polish and an that was an interior clean, wheels and glass coated

[@jamest5149]

Price per litre is a good review point to compare but the overall cost could be almost anything if its a winning performance over the competition. A lot of people look at ‘wow factor’ or performance as the leading differentiator but where products are so close branding/ brand loyalty then price comes in as the leading decision makers.

[@ForensicDetailing]

100% mate. its just one part of the product we can test though.

[@davidboyce6427]

Today Jon I applied the Chemical Guys WET Mirror Finish High Gloss Glaze👍. I didn’t use a machine instead applied by hand and foam pad👍

[@ForensicDetailing]

what you think mate.

[@davidboyce6427]

@@ForensicDetailing Jon I’m over the Moon. I’ll take a pic and show you. I did not apply a sealant or wax on top. 2 months ago I applied a Ceramic sealant on the car👍. Yeah I got a mirror like gloss 🤗🤗🤗

[@zzhughesd]

Just a thought. Cut a car today. Short on time tomorrow . Need paste wax double speed it. If run out time what would an instant detailer achieve if don’t wax it at all . It’s only a budget car but I’m 3/4 hours in with time against me

[@ForensicDetailing]

i didnt quite understand this mate sorry

[@owensamuels-h1r]

Great video as always, I wonder if there’s another way to look at the cost of the ceramic spray sealants. You calculated as per liter. . However, is there a way to calculate on average per usage and how often that would be required.? Another words if it last 3 to 6 months and would require application 2 to 4 times a year. How much would it cost per usage and what the value of that would be

[@ForensicDetailing]

it adds complexity I find to do this. But it also adds inaccuracy because durability monitoring is a bit scetchy. I think if you seperate them then the fact it last longer still gets rewarded but just in the durability catagory.

[@nickevans3190]

Where is the Griot’s Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax spray?

[@jasonlang7793]

Should have busted out the old Polish Angel high gloss for a good laugh.

[@fxcg2]

Jon, have you ever tested ADBL chemicals? Some of their stuff is pretty cheap and good stuff

[@ForensicDetailing]

its not really cheap mate. 5 litres of FR is 75 quid (15-25 is cheap). 5 litres of shampoo 33 quid (10-20 is cheap). DA polisher £229 (120-145 is cheap). some of the stuff in the line is a bit more reasonable like you say. but none of it is really cheap. problem for this brand is they are not as desirable as other established brands of this nature so they wont get the detailing scene customers. Its not high end enough to get the pro-sumers. They wont get the trade customers because its just too expensive compared to autosmart and they dont have the local delivery vans. They wont get the accredited high end coating side because its not as sharp at Gtech carpro gyeon etc... Wont get the bodyshop trade because its competing against your scholls/3m/roar/sonax etc.. They are not active on social media doing "how to.." style content so they wont get the "beginners looking for info" market. So I cant see how it can make inroads here. The first step is for the brand to get picked up by one of the online distributors then people who are shopping other dealing stuff can try bits and pieces. Its a tough market to crack in the UK mate its beyond saturated. You need to excell at something or have a viral product. you need a USP. And you need to market your products.

[@richardgould1978]

Just bought rain x ceramic spray for £10, not used it yet but i use the glass cleaner with rain repellent every week which is good. 3 months protection. Thought I'd try it???

[@ForensicDetailing]

why not mate. could be good

[@rodpanhard]

Avalonking were doing a deal a few months back for bulk orders of 10x their Ceramic spray and ceramic shampoo, I bought 10 of each which cost me £130 for everything and I stuck a spray and shampoo combo on Ebay for £33 and sold 4 so whats left I effectively got for nothing. I think others must have had the same idea as it should only have taken 3 sold at a higher price which would still have been cheaper than it usually retails at but the prices suddenly plunged.

[@ForensicDetailing]

If you REALLY want cheap. Buy direct from the UK blenders or wholesalers. experiment with like bonnymans, A chem, car chem, jennychem, autosmart etc... You will get like 5 litres of good high concentrate surfactant for 10 quid. you can get good quality for every product catagory but you have to try stuff because theres good and bad but if you know the good you can save a lot of money.

[@rodpanhard]

@@ForensicDetailing Are they Chinese? I thought they were a US based outfit.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Oh maybe mate. might be getting my brands mixed up.

[@alrotmot]

hi jon. is bh touch-on not a ceramic sealant? i thought it was. or is it just because these are “ready to use”? enjoy the videos sir. taught (and cost) me loads over the years 👍🏻

[@ForensicDetailing]

not really mate. It was in my recent ceramic shampoo video. You can bucket wash your car with it, it contains surfactant as well and the cystaline sealant. But you could argue its also a spray and rinse sealant. But its not a spray and buff product.

[@alrotmot]

@@ForensicDetailing i only use it as a spray and rinse, i thought maybe you could dilute it in a bottle and have it ready to go like these. but you make sense, it not a buff off you’d still have to rinse.

[@victorlam60188]

john, can you please do a review of Gtecniq c2v3?

[@ForensicDetailing]

I have mate, ive had bad luck with c2v3 I tried 3 bottles of it. 2 of them were like detail spray and one of them seemed a bit better. normally love a gtechniq product but this one didnt do it for me.

[@ehs786]

Surprised, there's no comparison between gyeon wet coat & bilt hamber touch on ( if there a difference between sachet or bottled version)

[@ForensicDetailing]

different genres mate

[@jcoul1sc]

Dont lift the post-its off and they wont curl, These things are important 🙂

[@ForensicDetailing]

I read your comment about the sideways rip thing and it works. I just keep forgetting :)

[@jcoul1sc]

@ForensicDetailing I'm the same too lol

[@killacamfoo]

may as well just get a full coating and one bottle of this as a topper that will get you 3+ years.

[@BrianW1612]

You shouldn't need to top a proper coating. Wasting money at that point buying the 'topper' which logically you would use as your main LSP.

[@killacamfoo]

@@BrianW1612 you have to maintain a coating every 6 months or so. Usually the company that makes a coating has a maintenance SIO2 spray.

[@BrianW1612]

@@killacamfoo if you need a topper then it's not a very good coating or... they are just fleecing you for more money. All you should need is a deep clean of the coating every 3-4 months using an acidic shampoo to de-clog it & restore it's hydrophobics. That's what I do with the SiRamik Lustrous (not a full blown ceramic) & it lasts 12+ months with no toppers.

[@killacamfoo]

@@BrianW1612 totally your own opinion. Look at any coating on the market, all have an accompanying maintenance spray. Not a big deal to apply twice a year with proper washing to ensure best performance. It's been nice chatting. Blocked.

[@BrianW1612]

@killacamfoo block away, that's admittance you're wrong. It's simple logic really, something any reputable detailer will admit is correct. Topping a coating with another product defeats the whole purpose of the coating, that's just fact. If you want to act like a mug & spend money on something you shouldn't need because you've bought an inferior product, by all means carry on.

[@Geeky_detail_reviews]

Evening John

[@ForensicDetailing]

how do matey :)

[@theunkownmr.562]

I'm not a fan of toppers. All they do is hide issues on the surface to the existing ceramic coating whether it's contamination or coating failure.

[@victoryensured7137]

Super true, and they cost a LOT no matter how ,,economicaly" you use them. But i get the mass appeal, the added slickness and short - term hydro is ok i guess, im on the fence with topping.

[@DjNikGnashers]

I partly agree. If you have a good, professional quality ceramic coating applied, to a properly prepared paint surface, you really shouldn't need to use a 'topper'. But the vast majority of users, of this type of 'topper' product, are not applying it to a ceramic coating. These products are not specifically designed to top a ceramic coating, because a ceramic coating is the topper itself, and is designed to not allow anything to bond to it. Personally, I use a mixture of 9 parts P&S beadmaker to 1 part P&S dream maker, on my M2, which I do not have any ceramic coating applied. It is used after every wash (weekly), and my car looks fantastic. I would prefer a good wax, and now the weather is changing for the worst, I will soon put a couple of coats of soft99 fusso coat, to see my car through the winter. The reason I don't use wax all year round, is because it is a lot more time consuming to apply, and I don't really need a wax over the summer. Beadmaker/Dream maker combo is so quick and easy to apply, it is a real time saver, it takes literally 5 minutes to apply to the whole car, and that includes a final once-over quick buff. To apply two coats of fusso properly takes me 30-45 mins. So there is a 'point' to toppers, and there is a time & place for them.

[@victoryensured7137]

@@DjNikGnashers In that case it's not a ,,topper" its just a quick seal, or sealant. Topper means topping something existing and is self explanatory.

[@victoryensured7137]

@@DjNikGnashers Also i don't need a professional coating, i coat myself, i do everything myself on my g42 as it's easy with modern products, it's not 2010 anymore. The performance of DIY products now is VERY close to pro-grade.

[@ForensicDetailing]

I think most of these are baseline sealants. P&S perhaps is the one which is more a topper (for me) than a sealant. 3d maybe more a topper... Some would be fine as toppers. These products wont hide contamination. Imagine the film later they leave behind is less than a micron. But a spot of contamination on the paint could me like 500 microns for example.

[@joebrackenborough1051]

15 to 20 in my book but i am cheap

[@TinaHaapasalo]

I really appreciate your hard work and professionalism! Your videos are a true example of quality content on KZbin.🏚🎀🦎