Does beading or hydrophobicity really matter?

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[@monoralph1375]

I have used Collinite beadcoat on our car which sits outside 24/7. Initial gloss is fantastic. Still beading after 4 months. Well pleased.

[@mateuszukasiak7675]

Thanks for info. More updates please

[@alastairtreymaine1964]

Beading isn't the be all for me on a protective spray, wax etc etc. Personally I hate water spots created by beading. I prefer to use, and make, my own products that sheet rather than focus on beading first. That way I know less dust etc in the air is sitting in beads that are sat on paint work.

[@dappergent9422]

Beading does look amazing, however, once the car has dried you'll notice bead marks on the paintwork. So you can't have it all.

[@badboi4lyff]

Just a little bit disappointed to be completely honest John. When I seen the title I thought this is the video I've been waiting for but it's just another comparison of products you have tested previously to me really. Another vid where a product that everyone is having difficulties sourcing is out on top. Really I would have like to see how beading / sheeting affects how clean the car stays (maybe even test a product that specifies sheeting rather than beading), how the self cleaning capabilities are of the product, whether they leave watermarks when dried, maybe throw some sand and salt on the panel see how easy it is to clean. Maybe even throw in a few spray sealants vs ceramic coatings vs lite ceramic coatings vs hand waxes from the top 2/3 from each category so we can make an informed decision, know what I mean? Would have been a monster of a video but this, this doesn't do anything for me.

[@victoryensured7137]

Well i do like to see John, but i agree with the avalability fact, its key, i won't buy in a product line if any of the products is missing or has a huge mark up in price over the Americans. Would like to see more stuff avalible everywhere like Koch lineup or Gyeon, Carpro etc. Siramik? Never seen in my life. Collonite? Only 30year old waxes here in the EU. 3D Bead it up? Never seen it here also. Vonix? Completly nonexistent. Armor Detail Supply? Don't get me started on this one (not avalible and won't be - ever) Dr. Beaslys? Forget it. I watch stuff like that for entertaiment purposes mostly as i know i need to do my own experimenting and testing with the stuff we get here in the EU. Still i like Johns vids.

[@charlesbrasington7599]

Armour will be in the EU from the house of rags before to much longer

[@charlesbrasington7599]

@@victoryensured7137armour is on its way from the house of rags before to much longer you will have Armour products

[@victoryensured7137]

@@charlesbrasington7599 ? Don't have no house of rags here in Poland.

[@tomn6201]

I was thinking of the same thing. Also, for years it's always been beading this beading that. I've been wondering why is beading more important than water sheeting off the paint. What makes beading more protective over water sheeting faster from the paint? I would think water beading will leave water spots on the car compare to water sheeting off the car esp if you ever wash your car outside in the sun. I have all the products but I always wondered why do all these waxes and cerramic coatings find water beading important other than the product is still lasting on the paint.

[@sphirit]

Lately, I pay less attention to water repellency and place more importance on anti-static/self-cleaning properties, as that’s what ultimately keeps the car cleaner for longer. I also value the slickness it provides, as it makes drying much easier. I have products like Polishangel Rapid Wax with extreme water repellency, which I’ve never used again because the next day the car looked like a dust magnet.

[@michaelmarchei8539]

I agree. I live next to main road and no garage. Dust is insane. What do you think is the most animatic dust repellant ??

[@sphirit]

@@michaelmarchei8539 Lately, I only use Ultracoat scoat v2, quick and easy to use. Reapply every 6 months. Nothing more…no quick detailers no toppers, nothing… Keep in mind that every time you rub the paint with a microfiber towel, you're charging the car with static electricity. It's the way I've found that the car stays clean for longer. It's worth mentioning that a real ceramic coating would probably work just as well or even better, but I haven't tried them.

[@sphirit]

@@michaelmarchei8539 ultracoat scoat v2

[@sphirit]

@@michaelmarchei8539 ultracoat scoat v2 every 6 months, nothing more, no quick detailers, no toppers

[@victoryensured7137]

For me is paramount, amongst others the visiual indicator that proteciton is doing well and healthy

[@mbrunskill]

Yes! I love it 😂 It's possibly my biggest LSP priority

[@anthonys.976]

I thinks deep gloss is my fav! Hydro is also good but as I always wash and apply something after, I just want something for my effort ... give me shine all the time! ✨

[@aeschafer1]

I'm excited to see you including a Dr. Beasley product in one of your tests. I really like a couple of that company's offerings.

[@ForensicDetailing]

it was a decent product but It was not the best in this line up. It will not sell in the UK at that price point unfortunetly. I know the market over here. Very hard for a USA company to make in roads over here in the UK. I will try and test some other stuff out I like the look of the brand to.

[@aeschafer1]

@ForensicDetailing I can definitely see that. Every time you test a Meguiars or Griots product or something, the price point is always a huge negative, whereas over here bilt hamber costs an arm and a leg (shampoo is still worth it, though, in my opinion), and the brand barely exists. The import costs are just too high on some of these products to make them viable outside the home market. The one Beasleys product I would recommend most is their plasmacoat sealant. It's a ceramic that applies like a paste wax, and I've really been happy with the results each time I've used it. It reminds me of insulator wax in the way it feels, but it's a full ceramic and lasts a long time.

[@DavidC1]

jon what about sonax bsd?

[@Chewielikeschewits]

Think I'd like to see more variety in these things like how does bsd or fusso hold up against ceramic sealants etc, is a citrus as good as a snowfoam if in a rush, actual cleaning difference between a apc and snow foam etc but do love your content Jon best on KZbin

[@ballistic20vt]

Gloss is all that matters to me. Second would be longevity. Beading or lack thereof is not an indicator that the product is good, working or present on the panel. Most lose much of their initial hydrophobic zing quickly anyway

[@victoryensured7137]

Sooo you have such a good eye and sooo much experience that you can say - this ceramic is going strong after 1,5 yr cuz i know the gloss is there?With no beading or sheeting or nothing? Really? xD Beading is an great indicator and looks cool and thank's to it car is way cleaner. Also good ceramic coatings bead like hell after even 2 years.

[@ballistic20vt]

@@victoryensured7137 I gently whisper to the paint and it tells me all its secrets. P.S If you speak to people like a moron you wont benefit from a good discussion.

[@victoryensured7137]

@@ballistic20vt A true paint whisperer. Good luck

[@SilverTrill]

I use to love beading but now all i want is sheeting so my car stays dry and shiny , when beads stay it collects dust from the atmosphere then leaves little spots when it does finally dry so dont like them no more 😅 sheeting and self cleaning ability is the way to go

[@victoryensured7137]

Sheeting this sheeting that, there are like 2 products that sheet and they suck (weak protection, car is dirty faster etc.)

[@SilverTrill]

@@victoryensured7137 hence why I think they should forget trying to make products that bead so much and work on making 'sheeting this and sheeting that' products rather than faffing about with 'beading this and beading that'

[@staceybirch5716]

​@@SilverTrill100% agree 👍

[@liamneale1831]

Don’t buy products what “bead” then. Even though sheeting products still bead when it rains 😅

[@victoryensured7137]

@@liamneale1831 exactly

[@jameslaw9724]

Would like to a see a test with different products from different categories. Like Gyeon can cost, Gyeon Wet cost, BSD, turtle wax spray and shine, some wax’s e.c.t

[@ForensicDetailing]

we already done those videos mate

[@victoryensured7137]

@@ForensicDetailing ,,Gyeon Can Cost" XDXDXD i died

[@ellisd82]

I always find that when it's rained in the morning on way to work, I have the beading car. At the end of the day with no rain, I still have the beading water, all other cars are dry. That's I think my only tiny niggle/gripe on a pro/con list.

[@brooks.5849]

Great vid! How would you compare the Colonite to Fusso Coat man?

[@muz247]

Jon you should have put Turtlewax SEAL N SHINE SEALANT in with the comparisons. Still my go to after applying a good hand polish.

[@Stealther]

Wouldn’t a hydrophilic surface be better to sheet water off and let vehicles dry without spots?

[@ForensicDetailing]

in theory yes although very few true hydrophillic products out there. but makes car harder to dry i think.

[@victoryensured7137]

@@ForensicDetailing sooo true

[@snsum2853]

​@ForensicDetailing I do wish there were more hydrophilic products out there, it would be so much easier to spend a few extra minutes to dry a car than to deal with waterspots, unfortunately it seems most brands have realized the herd think more hydrophobic = better product so try to cater to them than actually make a solid product

[@victorlam60188]

Can you please do a test of Gtechniq’s C2v3 ceramic spray?

[@victoryensured7137]

Heard really good things about that, Gtechniq is brilliant either way but maan their prices and they are soooo stingy with the amount of product.

[@peterocchiogrosso7597]

Good job, my brother

[@garymartin557]

quite a simple answer. yes. as most of us love beading, it is a quality that we want.

[@miscellaneous5215]

I like hydrophobic products because it makes airdrying fast.

[@markdean3217]

How does Collinite compare to Sonax BSD, a test I am sure everyone would watch with interest ❗️😉

[@ForensicDetailing]

BSD is a detail spray on paper at least. but its thick a sticky and looses its gloss quickly. its cheaper though.

[@Blandie-wm8mq]

​@@ForensicDetailingBSD is king!

[@NoFix]

@@Blandie-wm8mqnah bsd is good but not if u have an eye for perfection when it comes to gloss.

[@Blandie-wm8mq]

@NoFix gloss primarily comes from polishing, however, BSD got a bump of 10 gloss units on bad paint on Apex Detail channel (check out the video). That is insane for a detail spray

[@NoFix]

@@Blandie-wm8mq offcourse i never said it will give no gloss. But the things that John said before that its maybe the parafine in it that makes it more dull afterwards, IS noticeable. Stuff is pretty grabby also. But to each his own, lucky there are more than enough products to choose from. 😁

[@flowinthrou]

I hate the aftermath of beading, but it`s the only visual indicator we have that wax is still there.

[@mattday8679]

John, have you bought the entire UK stock of collinite beadcoat lol? I can't find a single bottle anywhere on the Internet. What's going on buddy?

[@ForensicDetailing]

I think we literally emptied the UK of beadcoat stock with the initial video.

[@mattday8679]

😂😂😂

[@fox3shooter]

Yeah I bought 2 online after your first video, looks like I was just in time. I concur with your test, the gloss and repellency is amazing with the collonite and so so simple to use. It’s that good I watch the rain running off my car on the CCTV when it’s pouring ! 😂

[@michaelwood7021]

Beading is great in the moment, makes the car look clean and nice but my car looks so dirty as the dirt drys around the edge of the beads. Would actually look cleaner if the dirt was evenly over the car

[@johnhopkins7614]

Nothing to do with this video Jon just wondering if you had ever conducted a Clay mitt comparison test and/or mitt v bar (For and against etc. Regards John

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer problem is do you compare fine medium or course options?

[@noizeuk]

Question: Does hydrophibiodigofdiy make any different when allowing dirt to form/repel on the car?

[@ForensicDetailing]

dr beasleys products seems to talk about that. Im not sure really.

[@noizeuk]

@@ForensicDetailing all I really care for is if the car I just washed is/looks less dirty than normal with products. I use hybrid silicone thingy (non graphine) after claying and despite the efforts, there is still some clear gubbins left over. I'm not sure if there is a silt test you can do to test this, perhaps using a suage line similar to that which they pan for gold?

[@theflash4956]

Well, I think it does. I use Soft 99 glass cleaner and their brilliant sealant. The sealant is the dog's undercarriage. I use it once every 6 months, as it lasts that long for me. I do about 3K miles pa, as my car is silver, it hides the dirt that much better than a white/black car (the worst two colours, for detailing, need washing every week). One trick I've found is to use just plain water in a spray, after 2-4 days when the weather has deposited, dust, bird shite etc, instead of the glass cleaner. After about 6 weeks, I might just top up the windows with glass cleaner. Simple water brings up the nice shiny, hydrophobic windows again. I've used some spray-on detailers that offer a hydrophobic surface for a while, and when it rains, it either dries up by itself, or I just get a microfibre cloth to wipe the drops away, and I get a nice, dry, shiny bodywork. I've stopped using waxes, can't be arsed to waste so much time for little benefit, when detailers do a similar, and quicker job. If feeling lazy, or just do not have enough time, or my age, I just snow foam with Bilt Hamber, and just spray off, quick wipe, job done, looks clean. Do the detailing work that works for you. Listen to advice from pros, and others like Jon. Listening and watching is the best way to learn and then decide the best technique/cleaning process, for you.

[@paulmulligan2895]

Thanks John

[@NickParker-i9m]

25 quid for Collinite. Alot of dosh what is essentially a gimmick. Far better to just spend that on a wax. If you want something to go over the wax, cheaper alternatives out there as a top coat.

[@LSD04]

How exactly is it a gimmick? It will likely outlast most waxes

[@NoFix]

Im testing ceramic gloss from DIY Detail. But im also curious to Clean. by Pan the organizer his sealant. Altho Collinite will stays on the closet also here at the moment. The thing is that i feel oversaturated when it comes to products and im about to narrow it down next year for my own mind to stay sane tho. xD Outside i have a testing panel at the moment with 8 products on it. I might need a psychiatrist. 😂

[@elonsus9747]

Ceramic gloss is surprisingly durable. I’d say it would beat out P&S Defender durability wise. Love the smell and ease of use. I ordered Pans sealant as well to try.

[@marktalbot2024]

Has anyone tried Collinite beadcoat as a topper? I was going to get some until I saw on their website it cannot be applied over waxes and sealants.

[@CrankCyclingChannel]

@@marktalbot2024 use the Collinite Slickr Ceramic Detailer as a topper. I’ve tried it over a ceramic coating and it keeps the car cleaner for longer plus adds gloss. I use it as a drying aid.

[@jeffchandler7662]

Love watching your vids Jon but I do wonder ……hope you ain’t on a water meter !!!!!

[@AverageJane222]

Collinite has knocked it out of the park with their Bead Coat. For me personally, there is nothing more satisfying than seeing the rain bead off your pride and joy after a good LSP application **chef's kiss** 🤌

[@CrankCyclingChannel]

The 3 in 1 detailing spray as an aid gives insane beading as well.

[@BrianW1612]

For me seeing something retain the hydrophobics for 3-4 longer is better hence, Siramik is better.

[@victoryensured7137]

I agree fully.

[@AverageJane222]

​@@CrankCyclingChannel 👌🤝

[@AverageJane222]

​@@victoryensured7137 🤝👌

[@Truffel12]

Isn't Gyeon Wetcoat the modern Sonax BSD replacement? 😉

[@ForensicDetailing]

no wetcoat is spray and rinse m8

[@MaxCherry4170]

Bloody hell are you ok John? It's just a mid life crisis mate... Does hydrophobididity even matter?!🤔...does anything?!?!😭😭😭 😂😂😂

[@mrw2941]

The life of a content creator knows no bounds.

[@79blustone]

Great test, some expected and disappointment. But overall a great group test 🎉

[@victoryensured7137]

Hey 79blustone! Hope your doing good :)

[@79blustone]

@@victoryensured7137 Hey! Yeah I'm doing great. Lots of cool new brands and products coming out for us detailing nerds to try out. Just watched Pans latest video. Pretty cool stuff 😎

[@elonsus9747]

P&S Defender doesn’t have the best durability unfortunately. Kind of underwhelming. But it doesn’t matter, if you’re going to apply it every other wash or so. I like Ceramic gloss by DIY or SPS Graphene detailer. Another good one is Meguiars Hybrid Paint Coating. Durability up to a year.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Yet but if it's in that sealant category as well as topper I think it needs more durability

[@elonsus9747]

@@ForensicDetailing Yeah, me personally I don’t care for Defender.

[@rarespetrusamartean5433]

I kind of expected something else from the title...I can't afford any of these products anyway and just go with my friendly neighborhood turtle wax "ceramic" spray. Love ya anyway man

[@nenadbokan5758]

beading is only thing that matters

[@PixelVogue]

You spelt hydrophobicity wrong..... hydrophobicicicicciciity. 🤣🤣

[@AndrewGibson22]

Gyeon wet coat (essence 1:15) fanboy here 💦