How Much Strength is Enough for BJJ?

[@KaninTuzi]

I think a lifting regime is most important as a protection against injury

[@reiniervanramshorst1031]

Honestly I'm a purple belt and really strong whitebelts are still a damn problem, even if they are hardly any heavier than me. They don't tap me but they might pin me for a bit and I might struggle to tap them. I guess I should lift weights 😂

[@stefanforsgren9023]

Im in the same boat my dude. Dont let them trick you into playing as a white belt, play your game, be cool, catch them when the opportinity is there. Im teaching a bunch of white belts and a couple blue belts atm. and I just focus on spending as little energy as I can and use as good technique as I possibly can. Remember they learn alot from rolling with you

[@EandEsystems]

John Danaher says Gordon Ryan would lose to a gorilla in 5 seconds. The closer you can come to such an overwhelming strength advantage the better.

[@AntoineFabri]

Summarising the part on good workout targets for BJJ, there is such a thing as diminishing returns, being well rounded is better, don't forget flexibility: Deadlift: 1 to 2x body weight Backsquat: body weight ass to grass Pullups: 8 is already quite good Benchpress: .5 to 0.75 bodyweight Full range of motion, no accessories

[@Kb11466]

I’m about to step back on mats after focusing on powerlifting. I think I’m probably way overly strong in gym now. Gonna maintain some decent standards but get may strong from now on

[@wyattmiller800]

Hey fellas, I've been listening for a long time and I appreciate this list. The %of bodyweight at the end all felt like realistic and attainable goal to reach. Do you have similar list of mobility standards that an ordinary Joe could work toward? (Somthing like, hit a full depth squat, can touch toes, etc.) That would be incredibly helpful! Thank you again!

[@FullTechnic]

Thanks

[@Jiu-JitsuJourney257]

Well apparently I need more strength than I got. Those damn young white and blue belts are trying to kill me every single roll.

[@Hewrin88]

If only there was something we could take that would help us get stronger......

[@absolutebs]

Let's ask the best no-gi grappler for advice?

[@conqueringlion9175]

There is... 🌽🌽🌽

[@shadymilkman443]

Corn fed 4 lyfe

[@alexanderstevens145]

Kidney dialysis is no good for strength in the long term

[@hannesbondason2316]

I'm late to this, but this gives me a little bit more confidence. I've been underweight my whole life, I've been hitting the gym and grew stronger and heavier, I'm still a light weight and my lifts are not that impressive but I'm hitting some of those benchmarks you set or am at least close to them. My only question would be when you are talking these bench marks do you mean it in a one rep max style or for reps?

[@hasanagic96]

He probably means that u should be able to at least lift that much. So 1 rep max. But these lifts don't always translate into the sport. U still need grip strength training, neck training and such

[@Ciiran]

Someone send this to Dr Mike.

[@zzz_ttt_0091]

I squated 140kg at 67kg bodyweight. It is good to have strength. Deadlifted 150kg.

[@philipdru4782]

i can deadlift 150kg and ive never worked out in my life

[@alexanderokak5112]

@@philipdru4782 how much do you weigh though. For 67kg this is a decent deadlift but a very good squat. For 100kg its a mid squat and a bad deadlift.

[@Day-vg1bh]

Ok?

[@monkpato]

Isn't there also an issue of strength vs explosiveness, with heavy weight lifting actually slowing you down?

[@RollingWithRoland]

Technically by explosiveness, you mean Power, which = speed x strength. Too much muscle/hypertrophy training (higher reps, lots of time under tension and training to failure) would slow you down but strength training will improve your power/explosiveness. Plyometric also training helps speed but can have alot of stress on the joints- which we get enough in BJJ! Basically, strength training v v useful and won't slow you down, if you do it right.

[@shepsean1]

Nah

[@SuperChriz92]

Heavy weights trains your fast twitch muscles

[@dadsteader]

I have to disagree with lifting equipped, it allows you to train more weight to increase your NON-gear lifting. Pretty simple to explain and I never understood the hate. I couldn't get my DL no-gear up without doing it with gear first.

[@shadymilkman443]

If your wrists and grip can’t handle it then you won’t get big weight anyway though. At least with straps. TLDR - train your forearms and grip as well

[@tededo]

We recently receivd the 3 names of 3 blue belters who will receive their purple in November 2023. They're technical and BJJ ready solid, and one other common point they have: they are powerfully strong beynd imaginable. On the hearing of their names, most of the students nearly collapsed. We'll never be purple belts if this amount of strength is a part of the instructors demand. And me 50, grizzled seasoned grappler blue belt, still consider strong but not as they are, and believe me, I am a former powerlifter, and that isn't enough t match the instructor's demand. The instructor, a young 26 yo purple belt, loves strong advance grapplers. Another special note: he told us, he should have been a brown belt 4 years ago. I wonder if the head instructor will register him for the brown belt test, looks like yes. Please hear me out, I am not venting, just asking a decent reply from yall, cause I've just joined this academy one year ago, but I have 20 years of grappling (on/off) under my belt (15 yrs nogi included). Please give me a reaction someone, anyone, please.

[@ryanslife4478]

Are they powerlifters as well? How big are they

[@grimsbybrazilianjiu-jitsu7423]

Sounds terrible, look at other gyms in your area.

[@hashbrowns]

A belt promotion should be based on your knowledge and understanding of techniques, not how strong you are or how well you smash others. Petite girls would never have a chance to be a black belt in that case. Find another gym.

[@shepsean1]

If you’ve done grappling for 20 years even with some time off there’s no way you would need to ask this question on KZbin. You didn’t figure this out year 1, or year 2, or year 3, or any of the subsequent years? I bet you’re right where supposed to be, a blue belt. Also what kind of 20 year grappler even cares about his blue belt, just choke people and it works itself out.

[@tededo]

The first one is a former intermediare catch wrestlers (3 years in) gifted.6.0, 184. The second is a 20 year brown belt judo, and 3 years in BJJ, 5.5, 160 , the third is a former freestyle and greco wrestler 15 years of wrestling frees and greco, 1 year as a blue belt, ready for his purple, 5.10, 230. @@ryanslife4478

[@jamesbyrd5175]

I think you guys are confusing some concepts and mixing yourselves up. There is no diminishing return with pure strength. It makes you better and better period. If you want proof, think about trying bjj on a grown elephant. There are diminishing returns in how much stronger an individual can get sure and diminishing returns on the transferability of hitting PRS on certain lifts (where the motion is very different from the type of strength movements in bjj and there is a powerlifting only applicable skill to it).

[@jamesbyrd5175]

The armed martial arts work very well against animals. They get owned. @@metaphysicalphilosopher2356

[@Fhillas]

The issue is recovery. There comes a point when the cost to be stronger than you were before takes recovery time that dips into your bjj training time or ability to keep a high level of output.

[@Highcaloriegrappling]

I have nothing up the the up most for you guys. But I think some of the numbers you're suggesting only apply to athletes below heavy weight. A 250 pound player squating 375 would take alot of focus and time to get there. Likely more time on the mats would be better. Really just 1 x bodyweight is plenty IMHO.

[@Kushgroove234]

Hard disagree A 1x body weight squat is almost untrained. That’s like 3 months of training to get there if you’ve never done a day of exercise in your life before Really a 1.5x body weight squat is where you’d start seeing protective benefits

[@Highcaloriegrappling]

@Kushgroove234 by every metic, a 375+ squat is at least intermediate level. 3 plus years of dedicated weight training. This is the issue with using such a generic multiple to determine if you're "strong enough"

[@Kushgroove234]

@@Highcaloriegrappling if a 250lb guy is squatting 250lbs it's not really a hard effort You need to be more specific with your training methodologies , that's the issue with using such generic weight values to determine if you're "strong enough"

[@Highcaloriegrappling]

@Kushgroove234 that's fair. My argument is simply that there's a strength curve that is not taken into account as a person gets bigger. Saying a general 1.5 body weight is too generic to have any meaningful use when programming. Think at 300 lbs peron would have to deadlift 475 pounds. A 500 pound deadlift takes years of dedication to weight training. Saying 1 5 times bodybweight isn't realistic for supers or many heavy weights if BJJ is your goal.

[@richardhall4657]

Get stronger so everyone you tap can tell you how strong you are

[@zyncarla]

1850+ PL total is that strong enough? lol I’ll still get tapped 38374728384848 times probably when I start

[@IAm-fv4mr]

Açaí 😉😉😉😉

[@Thomasisapro]

First 😎

[@bricks1001]

Only Jujitsu guys talk like this. Until they meet a wrestler or judoka. Very sad😂😂😂

[@olleolausson]

What?

[@strider7008]

2 inch barbell. Youre welcome.

[@kennelson5198]

What is a niggle?

[@shadymilkman443]

A small ache or pain, or a minor annoyance