How Narcissist, Borderline Morph Into Each Other

[@Donken98A]

Best explanation of the relationship between Borderline and Narcissist. Prof Sam Vaknin Prophesies the most accurate information

[@thatbuskerguy]

Man. You are hilarious. We love you Sam. Thanks for existing. Your work is so so so valuable.

[@ОксанаБекмухамедова]

Thanks a lot, dear Professor! By the way, have you been following the streamlined trial in Kazakhstan? There has been an open process on the murder case, the accused is a Narcissist (he admitted to be one) who beat his wife to death and was indignant how dared she die and give him so much trouble. The peculiar thing about the case is that the murderer is a former minister of Economy of the state, K. Bishimbaev. Would be great if you cover that case as the jury + the judge are to make a decision and it's highly likely he will try to escape justice somehow

[@JulieMattos-Hall]

‏כדאי למחוק את הכתובת שלך מהמכתב. אתה יודע יותר טוב מכולנו איזה משוגעים יש בעולם, בעיקר ברגע הזה… באהבה ❤

[@vibra1562]

It’s an c/o address for his publications :)

[@samvaknin]

It is not my address. It is the address of my publisher.

[@awomen1072]

Thanks for the info and my daily dose of emotional armour. Almost free🎉🎉🎉

[@DilfuzaKHaydarova-e1p]

Thank you so much Dear Professor Sam Vaknin❤

[@Imskyhighy]

Crazy you helped me understand my own album 😭a dead place where I’m the only one alive just made everything make sense

[@polyjb1]

Dr....Look it up!

[@viktorgornistov9836]

The hands are very beautiful

[@HadleyMeredith]

Love you Sam. What is love? Similar interests? Pheromones? Spirit? Pleasure? Peace? Entertaining stimuli? Loosing control? Parallel universe, I effectively heal through meeting you. Current universe, powerless.

[@PaulKellermanGiovanni]

Prof. Sam Vaknin, how do you translate that into behaviours? how do you recognize that the person is not interacting with the others but with just his internal objects or introjects?

[@PaulKellermanGiovanni]

Thanks for your videos!

[@samvaknin]

Search the relevant playlists.

[@gadohimself]

How to treat or at least manage narcissism then.. 😢

[@samvaknin]

Watch the therapies playlist.

[@Crybbkitty]

Based on these theories, do you believe people can have BPD and NPD diagnosis? (Comorbid)

[@samvaknin]

Search the comorbidities playlist.

[@maryvera123]

I often wondered how narcissism and borderline were two sides of the same coin, but you explained this beautifully. Congratulations on your extension at CIAPS!

[@KunDziki]

This thumbnails are getting better and better... 😆

[@diamondedevil]

hi sam, i just wanted to say that in part thanks to your lectures and what you always say, that the only way to deal with a narc is to go no contact, i am doing just that. before i found your information i never thought it was possible, that i would be forever stuck in that situation, but now everything is different so i am forever grateful for this accesibke information that u constantly put out

[@cubanadiense]

I’m diagnosed as borderline, but I don’t understand this attribution that I supposedly feel and emptiness, I never feel lonely or bored , like I feel very entertained in my own company just as much as I enjoy others, like it feels fun if I’m alone and even better if other ppl I like are around. Could I be misdiagnosed or maybe my bpd is mild? Also I don’t engage in self harm and avoid the things that are bad for me like the plague. How can I know if my bpd was accurate or not?

[@glenyshill72]

@cub.... Maybe ask for things to be revisited diagnostically, or get a second opinion. Diagnostic knowledge is changing all the time.

[@cubanadiense]

@@glenyshill72 most def. Looking for a second opinion

[@samvaknin]

Schizoid PD, not BPD.

[@brandontylerburt]

Congratulations on your continued professorship at the Institute. It seems like you're really thriving there, and the administration recognizes all you bring to the teaching role.

[@lyndiacurtis2065]

This was explained so clearly, thank you Professor Vaknin !

[@lisafoster9190]

Amazing! The narc I knew would say exactly this. He would say he was having conversations with me in his head, he would always talk about the false self and how he idealised me and would then devalue me. He would tell me that he was my lord! The repeated explanation from you today Sam helps me truly understand this finally. He also forever told me stories where he was the hero.

[@jamiebordelon7941]

This is groundbreaking!! Keep up this necessary work!!

[@LorraineMorsch]

This makes perfect sense, I have seen this for myself with a family member, decompensate and regress to a borderline. Thank You Professor Vaknin.

[@KN0132gman]

(INTERPERSONAL) disregulation personanaltity disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@highlandsmokery8421]

I'm dealing with this situation right now- Vaknin, you seem to read my mind! Aaaaarrrrrggghhh

[@ineseverza1737]

I'd rather suffer aaaaaall the insuffferable pain than become "Him/Her".... P.S. Good luck to all of us, whoever we are.. 🌌

[@annjohnson8437]

This really helped me further understand narcissism and borderline. Thank you for posting this! ❤

[@gintarematulaityte525]

Great job merging the egos of the psychiatry schools:) It's true that a borderline parent will dysregulate a child, but so will a narcissist parent. I think we dont need to argue that narcissistic people are extremely emotionally dysregulating. Narcissistic parent can cause a borderline defense in child, and borderline parent can cause a narcissistic defense in child too.

[@roberthazard5269]

Professor Vaknin, I have a dear friend who is clearly Borderline. And she is constantly Hoovered by her Narcissist male "friend" in an on and off relationship. My experience with her leads me to believe that she may also suffer from Bi Polar Disorder. Is this possible? Thanks, Bob Hazard

[@serfnterf5444]

Excited to learn about this! It could explain so many things about my ex that baffled me for years!

[@Александр-и7ж7д]

Thank you, Sam❤️ As always, in great detail) Please tell me, if the borderline was unable to form a narcissistic defense in early childhood, will it be able to form it as a physically adult person due to the severe pain experienced? and how long will it take for her to return to the borderline state or will the narcissistic defense remain with her forever and she will be able to return to the borderline level only after a collapse? (this question is related to the fear of losing partial empathy forever)

[@samvaknin]

Borderlines revert to narcissistic and secondary psychopathic self-states, but these are transient.

[@Александр-и7ж7д]

@@samvaknin Thank you) ✨

[@anazalohar9754]

I don't understand one thing clearly enough. The part where borderline becomes narcissist. Is this a regression for the borderline or not? Because if I understand correctly if a narcissist collapses he regresses to the borderline state which indicates that borderline is a more regressive state than narcissism?

[@samvaknin]

The narcissist starts to emotionally dysregulate like the borderline and the borderline becomes dysempathic and grandiose like the narcissist. These are transient reactive conditions.

[@anazalohar9754]

​@@samvaknin So who is more evolved: a borderline or a narcissist? Is a narcissist = borderline + narcissistic defences (false self)? Does that mean a narcissist is more evolved because he has developed a false self? Does borderline not have a false self? Does he develop one when he becomes narcissist even if it is just transient? Or does he for a period of time lose his real self? He does have one right? How about a narcissist? He does have a false self. When he collapses to a state of emotional dysregulation, does he develop a real self even if it is just for limited period of time?

[@danmeck5978]

Are narcs aware of why they behave the way they do? ie all of the Dr's videos.

[@samvaknin]

Search the channel for "aware".

[@rk_777]

How does this come into play when the narcissistic son’s mother is also narcissistic? Both are borderline? It’s like the mother & son are both emotionally married to each other - they form their own inner circle as husband & wife…stalking others even after 10 years, lying beyond imagination, belittling everyone, vengeful attitude claiming God “punished” the other person (who figured them out & left) for betraying the narcissist.

[@alexandriablack8042]

Maybe it's because I do have some emotional regulation that younger people wanna see how I blow off how I get punked Mostly I inspire them and so musicians adore me People say I am a queen but I don't wanna rule them They can grab a leash on themselves All life lives in my head Lotsa minds overlap mine We are all real

[@MargaretMccafferty-j4s]

Can you get adult adverse circumstances causing problems too like this,or is it only during the brain development stage.

[@samvaknin]

Only ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences). Watch the From Child to Narcissist playlist.

[@MargaretMccafferty-j4s]

Thanks Mr vaknin. I've been watching your work for quite a few years now.

[@vmw0710]

Wow

[@nighteyes5852]

Professor Vaknin, do you know if a traumatic birth can lead to development of BPD traits/emotional dysregulation? Thanks for all the info you share in your videos, it really helps to make sense of things.

[@samvaknin]

BPD has a hereditary component. Search the channel for "brain".

[@glenyshill72]

I wish my late husband and I had had knowledge of all this.

[@teresadvorak6145]

A child can be born under the spirit of rejection or unwanted pregnancy.❤❤❤

[@CampChoctawVacationGirl]

Question Doc, when the collapse is intensional, and the covert Narcissist self-regulates. Is separating from every external object a way to push pause? Acceptance of others, but avoiding using others by choosing to be alone? Healthy, or not so much?🙂

[@samvaknin]

Search the comorbidities channel for "schizoid". Collapse is never intentional.

[@CampChoctawVacationGirl]

Wow!😯 Thank you!

[@izabelacyrwus7534]

Thanks. Now I known 💚

[@aalves9453]

Would histrionic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder be different adaptations to the borderline base, or is it just borderlines and narcissists who share an initial borderline foundation?

[@samvaknin]

Only narcissism and borderline.

[@lucertola123456]

Thanks, I understand this and I agree. This is why a narcissist prefers to stay and narcissist instead of choosing to 'become' a borderline. As a narcissist yourself, on which basis would you choose to let go of your narcissist defences? Or better which would the reason that would take you to constantly choose to let go of your narcissistic defences?

[@miguelags9514]

Narcissism is usually an adaptation to a very competitive enviroment. It is easy to see in show business (Diva behaviour) because they have to compete for gigs and roles very often. That forces them to pretend to be the best all the time.

[@nelvitica]

can you be a borderline to a narcissist and a narcissist to a borderline at the same time?

[@inkbunnybunny]

western political philosophy is explained in the middle of this video i will let others come to the conclussionw aht this means by themselves.

[@deepsoulsurfer]

Congratulations professor.

[@JulieGottman-yh3of]

Under this theory, wouldn’t it stand to follow that a collapsed (“borderlined”) narcissist could be treated by DBT? Seeing as how outcomes seems to show that people with BPD have a high remission rate even in the absence of treatmentment. Would it be that once one has gone as “far” down BPO that narcissistic remnants linger only to rebuild themselves again following collapse (narc. scar)? I remember in a different video of you that (please correct me if I’m wrong) that DBT in a way gives people with BPD some narcissistic defenses to combat the emotional dysregulation?

[@samvaknin]

No. Search the channel for "mortification".

[@JulieGottman-yh3of]

@@samvaknin I’ll brush up again on that subject. Thanks professor.

[@findingbestofyou]

What do you think about Netflix movie Baby raindeer ? Is this an example of both cluster Bs ???

[@samvaknin]

Among other mental health issues. It is not a movie, it is a series.

[@findingbestofyou]

@@samvakninyes I stand corrected - the series - is it a good example of narcissists , Borderline and narcissistic abuse dynamics ?