How Nvidia Tricks You to Waste Money (DON'T GET FOOLED)

[@vextakes]

Hopefully this helps. Lmk what u think about the AMD section, it was mainly just my opinion, curious if yall see it differently.

[@thedarkmask4155]

I like what amd offers. But, Nvidia just has more to offer in terms of features tbh. If you’re not a gamer you will go with nvidia. And if you are one then it’s like if you play competitive (which most people do) You will go with nvidia because of lower latency ( slightly better) The only place where amd makes sense is triple a titles. But nvidia does have better ray tracing and dlss. And the hardware for dlss, unlike amd. Nvidia has cuda support, the power usage on 4070 ti super vs 7900xt is better with nvidia. Let’s be honest if nvidia gave more vram, everyone would buy nvidia without a doubt. And as you said in a video, if you don’t need to play the games at the ultra high settings then vram starts to matter a little bit less. 1080p is of the past. 1440p is the real deal now. 4k is still far away. In 1440p, 12 gb of vram on 4070 super is probably more than enough for most people. And if you can play any game right now with good performance.

[@thedarkmask4155]

For non gamers, Ai related tasks are a lil bit better with nvidia. 3D tasks are better with nvidia. And Again nvidia just now announced more new features with the software update. It’s hard for a company to be in competition with nvidia which is just growing exponentially. Soon there will be such a huge gap in terms of sales that nvidia’s pricing might become unmatchable just to weaken the competition. Then its for nvidia to completely decide the market value of any new gpus. That’s what i think.

[@thedarkmask4155]

If you have the money and you are an npc gamer like me, you’ll rather go with nvidia.

[@guille92h]

@@thedarkmask4155 1080p is not of the past, some of the best monitors for competitive fps games are 1080p 24", plus many people that doesn't live in very rich countries still playing on 1080p 27", also 1080p 27" is a good monitor size to combine competitive games with single player games, and for gaming seating on the right distance to watch all the screen 1440p makes letters too small.

[@gamex4759]

If amd will has better rt and fsr performance then amd is better. Currently i have 3060 ti.

[@Die-Coughman]

1:00 holy shit only 512gb on a system that costs 1200 is a robbery my god

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

I feel like squidward having his mental breakdown "FUuuUUUuTuREEeee! FUuuUUUuTuREEeee!" 🦑

[@UwU-rn8xo]

Almost every Apple product is a robbery, the only reasonable priced product is probably a macbook

[@meyes1098]

@@UwU-rn8xo lol crapbooks aren't reasonably priced xD

[@michaelthompson9798]

69th like ….. nice 😉👍

[@UwU-rn8xo]

@@meyes1098 well yes, but at least the do outperform the competition in some significant ways

[@SupraBagels]

Facts Nvidia has such a loyal fan base they can do anything at this point

[@progste]

3000$? Of course it's worth it for dlss 4.0!

[@PixaCodm]

Same as apple lol

[@JahonCross]

Never be a fanboy for any company. They don't care about you, just your money and bank account.

[@anthonynehoda2064]

Good luck working on AMD GPU, ppl only thinking about gayming. Their GPU absolutely sucks in workstations field and seems nothing will ever changes

[@guille92h]

Sadly, too many fanboys that don't care for paying whatever nvidia asks even if they don't use the nvidia features.

[@williamcricket7931]

At this point it's better to invest in NVIDIA stock instead of their graphics cards.

[@junyaiwase]

$792.17 USD stock price… damn i shoulda bought earlier…

[@williamcricket7931]

@@junyaiwase buy an ETF that contains Nvidia stock

[@junyaiwase]

@@williamcricket7931 oh yeah? Nice game my man good lookin out

[@williamcricket7931]

@@junyaiwase thanks dude

[@tradingnichols2255]

Yes, and whenever a stock is in that position, I don't buy. I don't want to be someone else's exit liquidity. @@junyaiwase

[@Wokiis]

I think what's fundamentally missing in the VRAM debate is that the games that push the boundaries of VRAM typically do this by implementing suuuper high resolution textures to a point past diminishing returns. The option to load slightly lower resolution textures is usually there in the game's settings. I'd rather do that and save significant amounts of money rather than climb the price ladder.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

this. that's why i said things like x amount of VRAM is not enough is part of hardware maker trap. they want you to stick with that mindset rather than tweaking the in game setting. and hardware maker like nvidia/AMD work with game developer to push those exclusive ultra setting on PC that eat bajillion of system resource.

[@storage9578]

Also related: game is 100gb instead of 30gb thanks to 8k textures nobody needs.

[@sakuyaizayoi382]

@@arenzricodexd4409that doesn't make sense, if amd were in on this why does the 7600xt have 16gb of vram amd gives their gpu's plenty of vram, even in the lower end

[@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata]

​@@sakuyaizayoi382because it is all that they had. Amd can't compete with nvidia on features and performance, so they're just add vram and lower price. If amd don't come with more vram, even at lower price i don't think people will choose amd over nvidia.

[@JasonEllingsworth]

AMD can definitely compete on performance. The cost to performance ratio of AMD makes nvidia look like a complete joke. Not a single "feature" I found in nvidia that is worth their inflated costs. Heck you can get a 6800xt oc'ed to compete with a 3080ti right now, and look at the price difference in those cards.@@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata

[@ahnkor]

The nail in the coffin for this NVIDIA and Apple comparison is that NVIDIA were locked in on selling the 4080 with 12 GB of VRAM, and it took a lot of criticism from reviewers to get them to fully unlaunch it.

[@Bramagon]

I mean they didn't really unlaunch it, they rebranded it as a 4070ti..

[@schikey2076]

​@@Bramagon exactly... they knew this was about to happen..

[@KeinNiemand]

@@Bramagon And lowered the price by $100

[@triliner254]

@@KeinNiemandNot enough

[@tek_lynx4225]

That fanbase consists of mostly their mid tier cards (xx60series) that are now priced the same as high tier and many of those people will not pay the extra price. They are losing base due to price slowly but surely, they don't care now because they have the AI bubble, but that base is slowly being converted, and now they have intel to deal with and by next year there drivers will be more then ok enough for everybody, and intel is happy to take all their mid and low customers as is AMD. AMD will start ignoring NV and compete with intel and slowly NV will fade into Matrox or worse 3dfx territory, all thanks to their short shortsightedness with AI. A market that will soon be full of ASIC's accelerating it from other companies and NV will be an insignificant player.

[@zdspider6778]

3:26 $530 "is honestly a pretty good price"? 🤨 For what SHOULD have been called a 4060? *Bruh!* A 60-class should be $199-249.

[@edward2815]

Morse Law is dead remember?

[@zdspider6778]

@@edward2815 Morse Law? You mean Moses' Law.

[@GameCyborgCh]

a 4060 that performs nearly identical, if not worse in some cases, than it's predecessor

[@kagathal]

Moore's law

[@gustavodelmondes584]

That's how Nvidia is brainwashing people. It's scary that it's working

[@whoman0385]

The fact that a game needs more than 8gb of vram is crazy. It's like software developers are now working to nullify hardware's progress by making increasingly wasteful software

[@Olizowshuffle]

been going on for a while now, dlss is now used as a crutch instead of a way for people with worse hardware to play these games

[@akuhei032]

"what Andy giveth, Bill taketh away."

[@Mazeau24]

In the early 2000's pc and gpu were out of specs within 2-3 months, but then for the past decade we could play the latest AAA game at high with a 8 years old gpu. So from my point of view it was about time we can see a real evolution in graphics! What is sad tought is the price tag wich is way higher than it was back then even considering the inflation. Gpu prices are out of control, thanks to the nVidia monopoly.

[@how2pick4name]

I remember my ONE MEGABYTE cirrus logic Vesa local bus card didn't have enough memory anymore. It was CRAZY!! lol Idiot ...

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@Olizowshuffle it was meant to be used for low end pcs to run new games despite being weak,instead its used as a crutch for lackluster optimization sad how it went from a good harmless feature into a feature thats actively harmful due to laziness

[@briananeuraysem3321]

Really wanting some more AMD based laptop’s to become common

[@arenzricodexd4409]

ask AMD and OEM for that. there are complicated dynamics that makes AMD laptop hard to come by even if AMD have the best hardware for it. and intel/nvidia did not even have to pay OEM to not using AMD hardware.

[@Space97.]

Same I can't stand intel no more we've been putting up with their shit for years

[@boxjosh95JS]

Nvidia could release a 512mb vram verson of a 1030 and rename it as a 4030 for £200 in limited edition jenson piss colour and people would still buy it

[@tradingnichols2255]

And even though it's better not to get an 8 series CPU from AMD, you're better off with a separate CPU and GPU, I wish everyone will get an 8000 something over that pile of silicon waste. Long story short, I hear you. LOL

[@danvex_]

@@tradingnichols2255 By separate you mean from different manufacturers? Like intel + NVIDIA, AMD + NVIDIA, AMD + AMD, etc. ?

[@nickclark3861]

@@danvex_Amds new cpus are so good at graphics they don’t need a gpu, it can run cyberpunk at like 40fps which is obviously bad but on a cpu only it’s pretty damn good.

[@newexe1818]

*4030ti and plus 100$

[@tradingnichols2255]

@@danvex_ No I mean separate because 8000 series CPUs from Ryzens have some gpu built in. Better to have the CPU and gpu separate. Cheaper for more performance.

[@I_SuperHiro_I]

Haven’t been fooled since 2016. 1080 still kicking.

[@bravefastrabbit770]

980Ti running surprisingly well at 1440p. I don't play triple-A horseshit so it just werks

[@Azureskies01]

1000 cards are real ones.

[@urnoob5528]

@@bravefastrabbit770fr ppl think gaming=aaa while 95% of games arent even aaa

[@paulie_tremolo]

got a 1060, recently got a 1440p monitor and I can still play some games at 40FPS 1440p or 1080p 50-60FPS. I wonder when are we gonna get such cards from team green. Or maybe should I say...if

[@lrmcatspaw1]

same. Still on 1080. dont want the 12V power connectors from 4080 and 4090, dont care for 4070 versions, AMD gpus are weak at ray tracing. Might as well wait a bit.

[@enricofermi3471]

I guess that also depends on perspective. You view the lineup from the bottom up, perceiving every next step as "more expensive, is it worth it?". While to me it's from top down, as in "4090 is too damn expensive, what's the next thing that I can afford that would still perform acceptably?".

[@ChiyoBebe.]

What’s the difference

[@Cythaqua]

As a 7800xt enjoyer i truly feel like the 50$ difference between it and the 7700 was amd secretly telling us that every game is about to need 16+gb of vramm and them pushing us into it

[@Varil92]

The main problem with Nvidia is the poor competition.

[@alunaticwithashotgun9840]

The problem with Nvidia is that their fans buy their products even when THEY are the poor competition, for example, an RX6600 is objectively better than a RTX 3050 and yet people still get 3050 for gaming, even though RX6600 and even RX6600XT is cheaper than the 3050 (at least they were when I got my RX6600) and has performance on par with the 3060. I use my pc mainly for gaming and I haven't used a single Nvidia card since my 1050Ti, I upgraded my GPU 3 times and all of those 3 graphics cards were AMD, because even though I started out as an Nvidia fanboy it just didn't make sense to buy their products.

[@_Cookie_Warrior_]

@@alunaticwithashotgun9840I bought rx 7900xt and was hoping for a good product, but there have been so many problems, my gtx 1050ti never had any problems. Safe to say that next gpu will be Nvdia.

[@KrazzeeKane]

​@alunaticwithashotgun9840 at lower hardware power, Nvidia is the better buy simply due to features, not fanboyism. Things like DLSS 3 and frame gen are amazing for lower powered PC's, and is far better than AMDs offering. Amd is losing because of AMD, not Nvidia fan boys lol. Amd still has the 7900xtx at $1k, this is their greatest gpu and it loses to Nvidias 2nd best gpu, and not even close to the first best the 4090. Amd needs to make stronger hardware, or price themselves better. They screw themselves don't get mad at people buying Nvidia because it is actually better.

[@Bramagon]

@icwithashotgun9840 On the low end, that's fair. On the high end however, AMD just doesn't really compete. They can only offer similar or better raster performance, which isn't even needed since every game without raytracing already runs without any issue on modern cards. On top of that, Nvidia also offers the higher quality features and is always the one innovating even though they don't have to.. I'm hoping Intel can change that eventually.

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

frame gen is error 404 on rtx 3050. @@KrazzeeKane

[@PCBart321]

I just bought used RTX 3090 24GB with warranty week ago for machine learning and gaming in 4k. In Poland the price of used 3090 with warranty is the same as cheapest 4070 Super. I am happy with my purchase :) Edit: dont know why KZbin keeps deleting my replies under that comment. Im 29yo student and i need that card for my masters degree. I pay with my own money so i need best bang for the buck. I dont care about power consumption, only thing that i care is compute power and Vram.

[@tradingnichols2255]

Oh, flip, thank you! I was just thinking if my 6800 doesn't keep up with productivity work that I'd go 4070S or TI S, but a used 3090ti is how I'd actually go. Why the ti? Because in heavy loads, the ti was designed to cool the memory well, can't say that for the 3090 like the 3090ti, but if you aren't pushing memory hard all the time, or upgrade it's thermals the 3090 can go well, just have to be careful. Nvidia tried to pretend 100C was okay on that memory, and I know a few users, with productivity who lost a few to destroying them, letting the memory get too hot. How's your VRAM temps?

[@PCBart321]

@@tradingnichols2255 I was using Radeon cards since HD 7850 came out. That's my first nvidia card ever. I switched to Linux completely in 2023 because windows started to annoy me. Havent figured out yet how to check memory temps on nvidia cards (in Linux). Card works fine in games.

[@dmytromak5479]

But power consumption for you doesn’t matter?

[@PCBart321]

@@dmytromak5479 Yes, power consumption for me doesnt matter. I play SimRail railway Simulator once a week on PC and sometimes exclusives on PS5. SimRail uses over 19 GB of vram with 4k full res textures. Before I had RX 6700 XT and had to use half res textures because 12 GB vram stuttering and low fps. For me even RTX 4080 super is too weak on vram department. Only RTX 3090(ti) and 4090 are suitable for my use case because i will use them for that game and machine learning where vram matters.

[@PCBart321]

@mak5479 Yes, for me power consumption doesnt matter. I only care about vram amount and machine learning capabilities. I only play SimRail on PC once a week and exclusives on PS5. When i played that game on RX 6700XT i had to reduce textures to 1/2 res and details to high because of low vram amount ( game uses over 19 GB of Vram on max settings 4k after a minute or so of trip). In that game card with 12 GB (and probably 16 GB) stutter a lot and have low FPS. Machine learning require tons of vram too. I considered buying RTX 4080 super because i thought that they will increase vram amount but they didn't so RTX 3090 was the cheapest option for me because 4090 is too expensive. Radeons are too weak for machine learning and lacks in software department for that use case.

[@thewebheadgt]

Just get a used 3090 for $600. You get everything. Performance, VRAM, everything.

[@little3149]

Too bad most are still going for $800+ 😂

[@thewebheadgt]

@@little3149 Depends on where you live, your currency.

[@Fetchdafish]

Even as a sincere fan of nvidia products who owns a 4090, I have to admit this is freaking true. Now more than ever.

[@fl00d69]

It's fine. I haven't given money to Nvidia for decades. Not about to change anytime in near future.

[@visitante-pc5zc]

For each responsible consumer, there are hundreds of cons00mers

[@eplugplay8409]

With Nvidia focused and selling billions of dollars of their GPUs to data centers to companies I feel that they don’t need our money anymore sadly.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@eplugplay8409 gamer only a very small portion of GPU revenue now. and the reality is gamer market did not make that much money even if you dominate the market by 70%. at one point intel able to make 16 billion just from their CPU and CPU related business. nvidia? they own both gaming and professional GPU market just but to break 2 billion was very hard for them in the past (this is before their AI data centers business starts kicks in). and this is also why the likes of ARM, Imagination and Qualcomm despite having legit GPU IP under their belt they did not interested to enter pc discrete GPU market.

[@DunkaDunka330]

@@eplugplay8409 And this is exactly it. Nvidia doesnt have high end competitor, it wont have it in next gen (AMD thew the towel in), They are immensily more wealthy, so they can do whatever they want. On Mid-Low end you have AMD and newly Intel that is offering reasonable stuff for reasonable prices. So in the mid-low end we are going to have interesting competition, while high end customers are fucked.

[@Sal3600]

You miss out on the top end cards.

[@houcinehamdiken2460]

thats why i switch to team amd and i end it up buying the 7800x3d and 7900xtx no regrets at all

[@patsk8872]

Wait what? 7900 XTX is the top end AMD and is not at all a "good value"

[@Efsaaneh]

imma be real with you it makes more sense to get a top of the line nvidia card than an amd card

[@houcinehamdiken2460]

​@ehi am not crazy to spend 2000$ for a gpu loll

[@lennartj.8072]

@@patsk8872 Better value than a 4080 at least

[@sv3546]

lol

[@AverageSensei]

15 year old me watching 24 year old me buy a 4080 when I used to laugh at apple glazers before: "You have become the very thing you swore to destroy"

[@pentacosttb2565]

I’m not sure the PC master race flex on consoles for AW2’s frame rate is exactly the burn you make it out to be, when it’s dependent on a single component of your PC that costs a hundred dollars more than the PS5 or XSX. I’m also saying this as a PC gamer here too. PC gaming is better, but not in terms of power, because we pay through the damned nose for that performance. PC hardware is far worse value for money than consoles are.

[@GraveUypo]

another important thing is that consoles gamers actually do know how it feels to play at 120fps. there are a bunch of games that run at 120fps on the new consoles. mostly the early crossgen titles (you know when games were still fun), but still 120fps

[@igorthelight]

PC is not a kids toy tho - you could make money and play on the same platform ;-)

[@kanechandler8148]

Yeah fair point but in the end new consoles come out every 5 years? so lets look at this ps5 is roughly 450$ headset depends 50$ PlayStation Plus Essential is an ongoing subscription with a recurring fee of $79.99 charged automatically every 12 months so 79.99X5 years=400$ so total is 850$ and then also taking into account buying the games 60+60+60+60+60+60 depends on customer right? hahahah but yeah 850$ luckily for pc we dont have to PAY for Online and get better performance so meh its up to the person

[@katherynet1424]

Feel justified more than ever that I switched to AMD this year. Had enough of Nvidia especially after my 4070 ti died on me, so found a RX7900XT Phantom gaming for 700 and bought that.

[@avinashu118]

How did it die?

[@morgueblack]

​@@avinashu118 It ate so much more money than it can handle then it died. 🤢

[@Efsaaneh]

@@avinashu118 probably some pin problems, chipset got fried

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@Efsaaneh Or overheating maybe. The 4070's definitely look like they were designed with aesthetics over practicality in mind. I'm also hearing nightmares about the sensitive pins on the 4080 and 4090.

[@cin2110]

@@avinashu118 Guessing the shitty connector

[@dfrost6382]

I bought a 16gb 7800xt for 500$, upgraded from a 2080super, the 2080 served me well but man ive been loving team Red

[@Reapz.-]

I did the same in november last year. Best decision after my 3070 ran out of VRAM in some games on high settings. Next CPU will probably be also an AMD one and not Intel. Depending on the new versions coming this year.

[@dfrost6382]

@Reapz.- im still rocking a ryzen 7 3800x, amd cpus are pretty damn good too and a good platform of choice considering future upgrades. AM5 just dropped so you could stay on it for a while

[@darthmorbous]

Same here. Averaging 114fps Jedi Usrvivor on ultra with some epic settings.

[@tradingnichols2255]

I've wanted to support AMD since over 20 years ago, but buying basic laptops, I kept getting a better deal with Intel. @@dfrost6382 Spent some real money on a full sized computer and 5800x3d with a 6800. Very happy. :) But let me be frank, economy of value of choice is how I'll always choose. What I do will never change the path of these companies, but in their rivalry, hopefully I'll get some good competitive choices.

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@dfrost6382 I have kind of a goofy build, because of the high card prices I managed to get myself a R9 5900x for pretty cheap a year ago, but with a Powercolor stock RX6600. It eats games at 1080p, but is ready for an upgrade anytime.

[@batzytoys]

Hey vex, I am a lot older then you and i am just wondering what your educational background is man. your videos are SUPER informative. thanks pal

[@SoundConstraints]

This is called ~ ladder pricing ~ Very effective!

[@SIPEROTH]

Yeah but to be honest this video is kind of an exaggeration of reality. If you see how Apple does it the ladder pricing of the Nvidia cards isn't even remotely as close and even more if you add cost and options etc. Sure those GPU's are overly expensive with big profit margins but the ladder pricing itself is not close to Apple at all. Apple jumps from 700 to 1200 to 1800 and then 3000 while Nvidia steps are closer together.

[@SoundConstraints]

ya but there are more card choices than iphones. Also pricing steps that are closer together actually makes it easier to jump up the ladder I want a 4070..oh but the ti is only 100 more. okay im getting the TI. oh wait the ti super is only 100 more than that.. okay im getting the ti super. oh look the 4080 is only 100 more than that! before you know it you're up the ladder@@SIPEROTH

[@venturoes1912]

Well I'm not sure what other way things are supposed to be priced? Do you expect a perfect low/mid range product?

[@SoundConstraints]

@@venturoes1912 nope. Just an observation

[@SIPEROTH]

@@venturoes1912 Well why not. When the 1050Ti launched it could play everything in 1080p for 150. And at those times 1080p was even more prevalent even though even now most play in 1080p. A 1060Ti was also logical. Look at 6600XT and 6650XT from AMD. I bought a 6600XT for 200 almost a year ago and it is better than the 3050 that was always price quite more not to mention the current weaker 3050 that is even worse and still isn't cheaper.

[@rvnt5561]

Vex is the realest youtuber out there who doesn't play the "game" for fame. He's a no nonsense guy. Big fan. Keep doing what you do!

[@vextakes]

i do some goofiness, but thanks, appreciate it

[@zdspider6778]

The "real" 4070 is now $820. When tf did a 70-class get to be $800+?? Who thought that was a good idea? *The 1080Ti was $699.* 😠 It had a GP102 die, not AD104 (lower is better), 11GB when 8GB was the norm, a lot more CUDA cores, 352-bit memory bus. It was a vastly better GPU (at the time) than what you're getting now.

[@apersonontheinternet8006]

Amazing how when it is AMD vs. Intel we consider productivity but when it is nVidia vs. AMD productivity is no longer a concern. Weird how there is all kinds of new technology behind these little cards but just because you don't use it means we need to pretend like it isn't a real feature and doesn't count towards the cost of the card. You haters always have the dumbest arguments.

[@zdspider6778]

@@apersonontheinternet8006 Bruh. 😐 Shitty upscaling and fake frames were developed *ONLY* to sell you less hardware for more money. Make no mistake about it. How tf can you not see this? Nvidia has some of the most deceptive marketing on this planet. They lie, constantly. _Nvidia, the way you're meant to be played._

[@zdspider6778]

My previous reply was deleted because I told you that sheeetty upscaling and fake frames are only there to S eeee LLLLLLL you less hardware for more M 000000 NNNNNEY. F, U, GOOGLE, WITH YOUR SHEEEETY KEYWORD AI DELETING ALGORITHM I"M FKNG TIRED OF THIS SHEEEET HAVIGN TO SKIRT AROUND YOUR BEE ES PLATFORM.

[@MrTefe]

Blaming inflation on nvidia lmao. These amd fanboys are making stuff up so much

[@zdspider6778]

@@MrTefe It's more than inflation, my dude. There are calculators for this and $379 (GTX 1070) in 2016 would mean $462.14 (RTX 4070) in 2022. 😠 Make it an even $450 because memory is cheap. *Definitely NOT $600.* Especially considering that the 4070 is really a 4060, hardware-wise, which should be like $199-249. So you're not even getting the real 70-class. *The REAL 70-class is now $800!* _Nvidia, the way you're meant to be played._

[@Zigonce]

Me over here weeping with 3gb

[@Monkey_on_roids]

1.9vram on a laptop gpu from 2014

[@Jmvars]

I can get a 7900 XT for $699, which has identical rasterization performance but has 20GB VRAM and wider bus width, compared to a 4070 Ti Super at $790 (13% more expensive). The question becomes: is the better RT and CUDA worth the $91 dollar charge?

[@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata]

The answer is going to be different each people. For me, yes. 16gb is not much a problem even now and near future, then about the raster performance maybe the 7900xt is slighty better, but how much better is better? I mean with hundreds fps already on both, even 30fps difference won't matter so much (raster rendering is ez for both gpu). Then the RT performance, on higher end you may want atleast try Ray Tracing, and it definitely much better on 4070 Ti Super than 7900XT, especially in Path Tracing. And as for RT, i can definitely say RT (epsecially Path Tracing) is meant to be used with some upscaling and this is another point where nvidia upscaling is better than amd, better qualty and better features (Ray Reconstruction for examples) And don't let me start on another features that might unnecessary for dedicated gamers but it is very useful if needed like dual nvenc encoder, OptiX for Blender rendering, Tensor Cores for AI things, Video Super Resolution, and currently RTX SDR to HDR. I'm not nvidia fanboy, but for my perspective is AMD is cheaper but nvidia still better card and definitely worth a little bit more. But in the lower ends the answers might be difference though

[@mastone7563]

I bought laptop with 1050 without ti for college, render, and mid-range gaming and im still happy with it

[@yt-xo4lb]

They think, they can get 1000 dollars from a student 😂

[@Ceelbc]

You are wrong. Nvidia did not learn this from Apple. It's the other way around. Apple did learn this from Nvidia. Nvidia always has been a marketing company that happens to make graphics cards. They even invented the term GPU in order to sell more graphics cards.

[@Bi-frostgaming]

got the 4070S recently and totally agree with you totally felt enticed to upgrade to the next best thing..in the end decided its not worth it as even with 16 gb of vram ti super is not that faster and i'm someone who is ok with adjusting settings as needed when the 12 gb becomes a limitation. tbh when your actually enjoying a game you really stop noticing if its on high or ultra and its always better to adjust and optimise game settings even if you can run max out to save on putting unnecessary load on the system. keep things cool and quiet .

[@alexmeyer8133]

4070 ti super here. 4070s you're not going to have the same 4K performance at all. Not even close. Plus it's future proofing your computer. I play ultra/max settings on every game in 4K, some with DLSS set to quality, and I get 80 - 100 frames in literally every game.

[@arekb5951]

@@alexmeyer8133 good for you, but im with @Bi-frostgaming here, not everyone needs to play @4K Ultra, and for those who don't 4070S is still a good value card, especially if you want to be able to experience RT at lower resolutions than 4K.

[@SToad]

Same here built a PC recently and went for the 4070S. Was going AMD but wanted some cuda and NVENC features. And at the end of the day I will sell it and upgrade whenever the new gen AMDs and NVIDIAs drop, until I can find a worthy 4K 144Hz card that is not over $1000, which may be 2 generations from now, or 3.

[@nordvestgaming1238]

@@alexmeyer8133 60% of people on Steam still play at 1080p, and ~20% play at some variation of 1440p, compared to the ~4% of people who play at 4k. The vast majority of people aren't playing at 4K to begin with, let alone 4K Ultra/Max settings, and as such how a GPU performs at 4K isn't really a factor for the majority of people, they care about how it will perform at 1080p or 1440p, which the 4070S does just fine at for most people, especially since I'd reckon most people would rather run slightly lower settings in game than spend hundreds of dollars more to get a slightly better GPU, which is backed up by the fact that very few people on Steam even have a 40 series card to begin with. I mean the second most popular GPU on Steam is a GTX 1650.

[@Bi-frostgaming]

@@alexmeyer8133 ya ti super is a really good choice for 4k , where as 4070s is for 1440p which im on so to me this gets the job done . and ya the 12 gigs might be a problem in the future but i feel by that time there be better cards available with more Vram and hopefully better pricing.

[@Dew4lk]

vote with your wallet, get amd

[@82ss]

bro just discovered marketing

[@SupaMaoKing]

Frr

[@francopereyra6659]

Too late, gamers are defending their choice of buying an RTX 4090 while game developers force you the get one because they are too stupid to optimize their games

[@NemraV1.1]

I really don't know where the heck are you guys finding an rtx 4070 ti super for 800... it hardly go bellow 950

[@Vews]

7900 XTX is the most justified purchase I've ever done after attempting to survive with a 4070 Ti, always hitting the VRAM limit at Ultrawide 1440p, $100-$200 more for tons more performance, great job Ngreedia!

[@lennartj.8072]

It's downright insane that originally the 4070 Ti was gonna be the 4080 12 GB

[@Vews]

@@lennartj.8072 I wouldn't say it's insane, it's just a tactic to push eyes/sales on to the more "premium" products that are not aimed at the general consumers. That's how I see it at least.

[@bucknasty69]

7900 XTX can’t be beat when it comes to price for performance. I paid $800 for mine and I feel like that was money well spent to play in 2K with settings maxed.

[@tradingnichols2255]

Okay, sorry for talking about your sponsor instead of your video, because you do great videos, but that sponsor spot was legendarily good! They better actually pay you and decide, whoa, we need to pay him more! :D

[@BruceLeedar]

IMO NVIDIA's only 'good' card is the 4090. Bad value, of course, but for people who have money to burn you get the best visual experience in games today on any hardware/platform (combined with a high refresh OLED monitor).

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

If it has no mechanical problems. To be fair, the XTX also has problems.

[@ComeonmenID10T]

Why would i go full all Ultra Graphic Setting, when this drags me down to 40 or 50 FPS or less ?? when i instead with some small Graphic tweaks get my desired 100+FPS !!

[@eplugplay8409]

I got my 4070 ti super ASUS TUF Model Open box for $719.99. Best deal. I had a 4080 super Fe model but returned it as after OC the 4070 TI Super it’s only 10% slower on average. Either way both cards are 4k@60 cards at the end of the day which I game on. I plan to keep my 4070 TI Super until the 70 Ti series can get at least the 4090 performance in 4K for $799.

[@AntonioCunningham]

You're lucky. The Asus 4070ti super cards are almost impossible to get. I've been trying since it was released. It's the only 4070ti Super with two HDMI 2.1a ports so people ignore the other Variants.

[@eplugplay8409]

@@AntonioCunningham I did not know that. I do realize that it does have 2x HDMI on here and the 2nd HDMI is conveniently placed below each other. I see this card in stock on Best Buy online occasionally if you keep checking, could have bought it many times over. Originally I got the 4070 TI Super ASUS TUF OC model open box from Microcenter for $749.99 but saw the non OC model for $719.99 yesterday which I exchanged for. Interestingly the OC model was unstable in over clocking but the non OC model even without OC was 10 fps higher on average than the OC model and very stable OC in MSI Afterburner. I guess it does not matter what version you get for the lottery and I got very lucky.

[@AntonioCunningham]

@@eplugplay8409 every time I tried to buy it from Best Buy, it sold out before I could complete the sale. I finally got one from Microcenter for $850 (funny enough, the total was the same on best buy checkout for the 799.99 stock version before I got the sold out errors) I would have *glady* jumped at the 719.99 price.

[@LordDeimos2024]

12gb won't let you play 4k games you need at least 16gb, even intel knew that.

[@TheMrMerudin]

I think this won’t work since graphic card buyers are a lot smarter than an average Apple buyer, and I’m a heavy Apple user myself.

[@FuryEdits3]

bruh imagine editing and streaming with an AMD gpu, nvidia gpus are expensive cuz they are better, dont just decide which one is better just depending on the fps in games.

[@AnabolicSaagAloo]

As long as AMD lags behind in RTX, Upscaling and drivers there’s no reason for me to ever buy an AMD gpu. The fancy bells and whistles you get with Nvidia make it worth it for me. I have friends that went team red and the problems you get with those cards just ain’t worth it

[@iFlxy]

I agree, except the situation looks completely reversed on Linux. I hope they make them better on Windows too. I know it's a small market, but it's a huge difference on there.

[@AlexanderVolkov-tk9ci]

Apple! Nvidia! = AppleVidia! (Sing it :D) Was i the only one who expected that in first seconds?😂

[@Birdman._.]

Just hoping team red does something good in workstation and rendering tasks next gen

[@zakiwafiy4461]

Ray tracing is a waste of money

[@Thejacketof-huang]

In your mind sub human ignorant noob 🤡💀 not for the gamers in the world and developers

[@coolieee]

this is turning into an AMD fanboy channel

[@jochenkraus7016]

AMD pulled off something similar with 7900 XT and XTX only 100$ MSRP apart.

[@bboyalanleung123]

Pointing out facts doesn't make him becoming Amd Fanboy . Grow up.

[@Space97.]

When did he mention amd was better anywhere in this video?😅 Look who is actually the blind fanboy no no cares about how you feel we care about the facts and the vram problem is an issue if you cant see that then you are definitely a fanboy 😂

[@PalakPreman08]

He is just comparing and pointing out facts, i don't see any fanboy behavior here

[@teemuntubetus]

Future proofing with GPU is one of the stupidest things I have heard. Buy with a little buffer for performance, upgrade it when its not cutting it anymore. You can still sell the old one when buying the new after 2-4 years.

[@ScimitarGaming]

apple is the shittiest company that ever has existed and nvidia is following in it's footsteps, nvidia was doing good until the launch of gtx16 series but after capturing the gpu market,they have started a monopoly for ripping people off their money just for the same old card,rebranded again and again, then there's the fake rtx, upscaling,4k,8k gibberish. talk about 4k and 8k, after you have accomplished running rtx ultra settings at native 1080p, they can't even do that.

[@Shakura8]

It's too complicated. Some companies think consumers are dumb and think we will fall for any marketing trick..

[@lucasLSD]

Wow, nvidia is really evil with these options, I have a 2060 12GB, I didn't know a 4070 would have the same ammount lmao.

[@immortal_xd69]

Okay the thing is your gpu has a bus witdh of 192-bit (256-bit if you got 2060 super) whereas the 4070 has a bus width of 512-bit. You see this bus width difference is huge even if you have the same amount of v-ram. Think like this, Apple's Iphone come with 6GB ram where in the world of 12GB to 16 GB ram yet they are the best or one of the best phones that world has ever seen, why? because the bus width and the efficiency of the ram is much more than that of a 6GB android and thus it is able to compete with the top end 16GB models. Hope this explanation was simple enough and I hope you have a Great day and and Hope you take care of your health. Thank you.

[@THU31]

"If AMD was dominant, would they do the same thing?" - we already got the answer to that question, just look at the CPU market. Zen 3 was very expensive at launch, because it was faster and more efficient than Intel. And it was exactly the same with Zen 4, especially in terms of total platform cost. The new 8000 series APUs are also designed in a way that makes you want to pay more. You want the full 12 CU iGPU? You have to pay over $300 for the 8-core model, where in fact those 12 CUs would be fully saturated by just four cores. Neither of these companies is your friend. They are corporations, their only goal is to milk as much money out of you as possible. And if they get the opportunity to do so, they take it.

[@BulukEtznab]

Another selling point for AMD vs. NVIDIA are AMD's OpenSource Linux Drivers, btw.! Whenever I need to upgrade my PC again, I'll probably go AMD again (used to have a really nice 2nd Hand HP AMD-Notebook with an R7 260M 2GB dedicated VRAM from 2013 I ran Manjaro on and the OpenSource Drivers from AMD enabled the Dual-Graphics from the A10-APU and the dedicated R7 to work flawlessly, which wasn't even possible under Windows anymore since the Windows Driver Support for the integrated Graphics didn't allow to install newer drivers and and the integrated GPU couldn't be deactivated in the UEFI Settings of that Notebook either!)... So, unless NVIDIA somehow also goes OpenSource with their Drivers at some point in the near Future, I will prefer AMD over NVIDIA anytime with Linux-Systems! I do have a new enough Windows Desktop, too with an i9900KF and a 2700 GPU from NVIDIA. Yet, I somehow dread the day Windows Support runs out for that hardware an I'll need to setup Linux on that machine, even though I'll probably just rund some old Windows in a Virtual Machine on that thing then to do the tasks that aren't as comfortable on Linux like scanning then...with 64 GB of DDR4-RAM, that's still pretty quickly do-able then. Not like this ancient lil Core2Duo Macbook with NVIDIA GPU that uses only a few hundred MB integrated/shared RAM from the max. of 8 GB System RAM. Glad I got Linux to work pretty smoothly on it though...and the OpenSource NVIDIA-Drivers, that are available (not from NVIDIA, but community-reverse engineered, if I'm not mistaken!), run smooth enough with what I need that lil Laptop for...but I tried proprietary Drivers and it was a pain in the heinie!

[@saiftube5833]

like Ray William Johnson once said "rich people shit billionaire shit rich people shit gazilllionaire shit"

[@mohamad20zx34]

I glad AMD and Intel is supporting linux a lot better than Nvidia will ever does

[@mvn3949]

Nvidia also downgrades your older gpu hardware with their driver upgrades like Apple does.

[@robuxisgud]

this is why we need FOSS drivers (and all other software) and open source hardware (the designs, how to make one, ect.)

[@farhaanali5311]

2:40 my guy was feeling a little too good

[@ragu4545]

Maybe if AMD would put out a hands down better product then maybe Nvidia wouldn't dominate the market.

[@fontenbleau]

Amd is kicked out. All Ai industry based on CUDA, which is proprietary Nvidia libraries, this is two-way lock like famous chinese finger toy.

[@PhoenixKeebs]

4070 should've been a 4060. The 4070 super should've been a 4060 ti. The 4070 ti should've been a 4070. The 4070 ti super should've been a 4070 ti.

[@xXYannuschXx]

The insane price hike in the GPU space is just unbelievable at this point. And its becomming clear that Nvidia doesnt give a damn about gaming anymore. My 3080 was plagued by driver issues, especially the VR stuttering bug, that took them 14(!) months to finally fix...

[@MrTefe]

NVDIA actually invests in more technologies to improve gaming...AMD doesn't. They just piggyback on NVDIA years later. Both AMD cards had driver issues with games

[@MrTefe]

4090 isnt made for the average consumer like you. Its made for people who want crazy high performance.

[@megachadius]

AMD ONTOP, I BEEN SAYING NVIDIA IS DOING AN APPLE, PEOPLE ARE BLIND !!!

[@HandleName_CB]

“At this point(pointing at a $1200 computer), just get a Mac Studio (a $1800 computer)”…greatest financial advice ever! Just look at the first digit of anything you want to buy, it is the same!

[@gruiadevil]

You don't become a trillion dollar company by giving good value products :))))) You become, by upselling your customers to the high end products, which you mark up significantly, and make good margins off them ..

[@kon0212]

I would've gotten the 4070 ti super if it was priced at 650-700 us dollars

[@guyzer75]

So basically.... You spend more money on a GPU and you get more performance. This video is pure genius.

[@frankd.b.9233]

Fewer games will be sold because they are too heavily burdened with consumption and are too expensive, and gamers do not like to pay too much to play a game, which is already expensive, especially if you also have to have a monitor who can handle it, needs to adjust the cooling, etc., so they only make worse advertising, but I don't think they understand this yet

[@GraveUypo]

saying a card that's 15% faster and 13% more expensive means better value... no it doesn't. specially because the cheaper one already runs the same games just fine. 15% more frames won't give you 15% more enjoyment, 15% more games to play, none of that. I think value comes in steps, not in a linear curve. it's a bit like "can this card play this game without game breaking compromises or not?" It's a pass / fail thing. To me these two cards have roughly the same worth but different prices.

[@nathanielenochs1843]

This is one of reasons why most of us are gravitating towards stylized graphics and not photorealistic graphics

[@AAjax]

The thing about feature-nerfing the product stack like that, is it turns off someone who has a budget and can stick to it. I can't count the times I started researching a product, went up the stack, and then decided not to buy because I didn't have twice the budget and the cheaper thing I started with now seems like crap.

[@PhillipLemmon]

Nvidia: "here's our new gpu!" "Jensen pulls down pants, squats" *Poops on plate* Nvidia fanboys" OMFG!!!........ "Take my damn money NOW!!!"

[@CuLozus]

non-existent nvidia fans that only amd fans talk about

[@zenvir1680]

I am happy with my 3050 laptop. Its just about satiafaction and fun. I can use lower resolutions and upscalers, and even limit performance sometimes to keep temps in control. Perspective is everything.

[@MrLuna109]

What does that have to do with the video?

[@zenvir1680]

@@MrLuna109 that no matter how much you spend on Gaming hardware, you will always be wanting more.

[@MrLuna109]

@@zenvir1680 Yeah but what he's specifically getting at is Nvidia is copying Apple by strategically handicapping products to convince you to get a higher end product than what you would have gotten when Nvidia wasn't as predatory in the past

[@zenvir1680]

@@MrLuna109 ok bro chill I just left a comment about what came to my mind at the moment

[@jonmichaelgalindo]

NVidia has zero competition, or else I would buy the cheaper card in a heartbeat. CUDA code runs only on NVidia, and performant AI image generation needs 24GB VRAM. I don't know why they ship anything with under 24GB. (I also don't get "high-resolution" gaming, as if you're gonna have more fun...)

[@twenty-fifth420]

As a Nvidia user and a Linux user, my next build is either going to be Team Red, or Team Blue….

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

Yeah, Nvidia sucks hard with Linux. I learned that the hard way, never going green again. AMD also seems much more friendly towards FOSS in general

[@TauCu]

Nvidia: "We used to make Graphics Accelerators. Now we make money."

[@MrTefe]

NVDIA actually invests in more technologies to improve gaming...AMD doesn't. They just piggyback on NVDIA years later. Both AMD cards had driver issues with games

[@TauCu]

​@@MrTefe How is what you said relevant to my point?

[@kimannepark4709]

Lmao let the rich and wealthy people waste money on Apple and Nvidia. As the saying goes, a fool and his money is soon parted

[@apersonontheinternet8006]

AMD = Luxury consumer good nVidia = Productivity work horse

[@urulooke]

It's not a problem with nVidia, but with a certain type of consumer's mindset. If you're in this mindset, you can't buy overpriced 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super and expect it to be good for years and future games. Objectively those cards will work great for years and future games, but *you* will not be satisfied and *you* will be spending more time looking a FPS counter than the actual game content itself. This will become especially painful in a few months when 50-series GPUs are released. Your only option is to buy 4090 now and then upgrade to 5090 in a few months or work on your mindset.

[@otaku_365]

I wonder why? Because stupid people will buy anything that's thrown to them .... without considering what they are actually getting rather than focusing on brand value

[@BRACERFENIX]

Problem is, the companies think they’re too big to fail. They have virtually no competition, you think of a smartphone you think of an iPhone, you think of a GPU you think of an RTX card. And this means they can charge exorbitant prices for mediocre products. These companies were once the pinnacle of innovation in their fields but now they decide to take advantage of their propaganda. Not very truthful of either.

[@freakyflo369]

Almost like the more expensive hardware is somehow capable of doing things the less expensive hardware can not. That is interesting 😂

[@LordDeimos2024]

that's sad i got the intel arc a770 limited edition 16gb it was literally beating nvidia 4070 at one point for, 4k gameplay in cyberpunk. (too bad their last update after christmas made the drivers/and the gpu, suck again)

[@cardboardpackage]

1:34 So we’re not going to talk about that hand tracking over the text 😅

[@MrLandslide84]

AMD "Lets sell them a part for their PC". NV: "How can we charge them for a PC, twice?"

[@MrTefe]

NVDIA actually invests in more technologies to improve gaming...AMD doesn't. They just piggyback on NVDIA years later. Both AMD cards had driver issues with games

[@vh9network]

The whole tech industry got that way. We have been running in surplus of decent PC hardware since 2018

[@Cobalt_11]

Recently helped a KZbinr build a new rig and as he was reliant on NVIDIAs sodtware suite for his content creation and streaming I had to spec the 4070ti super for him because he needed the VRAM as he gamed on multiple displays (at once) and you just need VRAM for that. He wasnt the happiest with the price point but thats what the option is now.

[@stevans6942]

I can imagine Dr. evil sitting on meeting and is like put a little bit of space and memory and price it 1 million dollars, and everybody around screaming and clapping hands :)

[@samuelaubrey2612]

Last time I built a desktop was 2013, been using laptops for portability, I find it disgusting how expensive things have gotten since then. Nvidia reminds me of how intel used to behave, deliberately holding their products back because of lack of competition now. Like when AMD brought us Ryzen intel was forced to offer better value now just look at the price to performance ratio of intel, the 13th / 14th gens are pretty great but there's no way they'd have that core count had AMD bot pushed them

[@jammyboii]

i hate when people are like "oh no 10% proformance increase only!!!!!!" and im sitting in the back thinking "i would murder a man to be able to run any game on medium settings at a minimum"

[@fayis4everlove]

For $1k? Are you delirious?

[@jammyboii]

@@fayis4everlove still is stupid pricing for one part of a pc but still even if you get the cheaper version you are still getting a rlly good gpu that can run most if not all games in 1080p

[@demimob_]

Why is there DDLC music in the beginning lol

[@samson7294]

This video's premise is dumb right out of the gate. You are comparing Apple's product stack pricing strategy for 1 generation to Nvidia's product stack pricing for a generation + a mid generation refresh. And an incomplete product stack at that. Is Nvidia expensive? Yes! Is it worth it? Worth is determined by what people are willing to pay and we know Nvidia's market share. Want Nvidia to cut prices? AMD and Intel need to compete. It's capitalism 101.

[@LostinMIA]

Marketing a product has become more important then true quality of the product itself.

[@D1Z0R]

That's the reason why I still using GTX 1060, new cards is garbage in price/performance ratio.

[@RhumpleOriginal]

When you have to go to the numbers to justify how the image appears you know you are spending too much.

[@mark4837]

I can’t hate on you guys. You’re right on target

[@Sc0tt69]

Apple has the same marketing as Harley Davidson.

[@video_cumsumer]

but nividia still giving you more power for less money that amd.

[@MrTefe]

And nvidia is more reliable and a better brand. Their drivers are also better

[@Lunix_Hardcore]

Nvidia is worse than Apple. With Apple you get the best value if you buy the cheapest option and anything you need extra is crazy expensive. Meanwhile, when RTX 4000 launches you pretty much got worse value for your money the cheaper the GPU you bought was. Wanna buy something cheaper than a 4090? Get fucked.