How One Small Detail Changes EVERYTHING in The Nightmare Before Christmas (Disney)

So there's something I haven't heard anyone else talk about before in regards to the Nightmare Before Christmas... Something lots of people have overlooked for YEARS - myself included! There's a lot to cover, so hold on tight!
For starters, did you know there’s a book? (Well, a poem, really, and you probably did) but anyway, we’re gonna have a look… I mean over-analyze it to death and beyond! (It's animated, so you'll have some cool things to look at and I promise it's gonna be a treat!) Also, did you know that our beloved “Booonneee Daddddy” Jack Skellington could really be a, welp… Bone Daddy? Oh yes. We uncover this and so many little forgotten lore gems and secrets in this spooky, creepy and festive video! Just how different are Tim Burton's and Henry Selick's (and crew's) versions of this Halloween/Christmas/Timeless classic stop-motion tale? Let's find out in a book vs movie of sorts! Also on our nerdy itinerary: picking apart the magic of Halloween Town (or Halloweenland, if you prefer) to see just what makes it tick (or, not tick, as it were). So, bring some candy and snacks and join me on this Halloween-and-Christmastime Easter-Egg hunt!
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[@melancholybobbyjoe]

Uhm, it wasn't that Jack didn't know about kissing, he just didn't know about kissing under a mistletoe. He didn't know about the little quirks of Christmas and was learning about that. But obviously he knew what a kiss was since he said "They kiss?".

[@caralu5771]

Idk why but "they kiss? " lowkey had me snorting

[@bingolinging]

The fact people don't reply to comments but only like it makes me curious... Why? Um, except the person above me.

[@al3583]

@@bingolinging For me I don't really have something to comment about, I just like it cause I agree with it. If that makes sense.

[@user-fe7sn5eq4h]

Why am I reading the “They kiss?” in a french accent?

[@formalgirl]

@@caralu5771 sorry, your reply was at 24 likes. i made it to 25 likes :)

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"One person's crazyness is another person's reality."_ *~ Tim Burton*

[@joeahern8960]

Agreed

[@jackofalltrades6718]

That's the fickle thing with delusion - it's only delusion until some crazy bastard actually achieves the impossible.

[@PickIeMike]

666 likes

[@jackofalltrades6718]

@@inigowilloughby7285 OMG YES!!! YOU GOT IT!!! \_(*U*)_/

[@amandastewart369]

@@jackofalltrades6718 great

[@OdysseyHome-Gaming]

I reckon being undead Jack n Sally just adopted a couple of stillborn babies found in the pumpkin patch. 🤗

[@controlbrains]

@@DragoonsCrackedOutAccount Stillborn babies are babies that were born but not alive.

[@himdavila8722]

Yes

[@elizadesiree843]

Yep

[@allystitcheskurta]

Tbh, sounds like a great idea

[@raccoonnewsreporter5567]

That- thats really nice and cute. I like this

[@mrs.donglover2586]

In the poem Santa asks Jack if he would do it over again, and the reason he needs to think carefully is because Jack’s children wouldn’t exist if he hadn’t tried to take over Christmas.

[@chibigirl8545]

So, if I'm interpreting this correctly, the meaning of Christmas is children.

[@debymello4756]

Not sure "Christmas" itself, but the word for the holiday in my country means "birth", so yeah, makes sense associete to children

[@gabrijelakelec4361]

I mean Christmas is the Birthday of Jesus Christ. So yeah It kinda is about children or babies.😅🤗

[@EskaytheSquirrel]

@@chibigirl8545 yes.

[@o.Froggy.o]

​@gabrijelakelec4361 how dare you remind me that it's religious😭

[@theegg7520]

Jack brought Sally to the Bone Zone.

[@APoliticalConfusionAndMess]

Please don't put that image in my head.

[@redrasegarden]

Hi mariplier fan

[@BlueCottonSoda]

Lmao XD

[@shototodoroki-tl4ox]

👀👀👀

[@amberward1195]

I'm scared stop it

[@kazusoudas]

HOMEWORK?? NEVER HEARD OF HER. I ONLY KNOW *BONE DADDY*

[@bradleyhavens5037]

SANS DONT

[@_VenomicA_]

SAME

[@solus8685]

HONESTLY

[@pumpkin2084]

M e r i g h t n o w .

[@shawtyslikeamelody7595]

*cries in corner*

[@TheCantankerousMsKit]

I once had a fic idea based off a drawing I drew of Jack and Sally's potential daughter where she ventured to valentine's town. In that she was created by the doctor for them as a wedding gift. I should really try to write that out one day...

[@cherubcuzwhynot]

I actually would read that

[@jhno68]

DO IT!!!

[@TheCantankerousMsKit]

If I manage to get it done I will post a link here :) could be good practice and might re-spark the flame to continue my unfinished novels

[@jhno68]

@@TheCantankerousMsKit i feel ya! i have two unfinished novels i havent felt the spark for in awhile! lol

[@chloehendy2753]

wait this idea sounds amaze

[@edgyusername4191]

Fun fact: Vincent Price was originally going to be the VA for Santa. Sad fact: Due to his wife's death and his own failing health, Vincent's voice became to frail and the recordings were deemed unusable, leading to Santa being recast. Vincent's voice recording's were never released and it's unknown if Selick or even Disney still have them.

[@lilithpickering-wz3ww]

That's so sad 😢

[@muchoomoorek]

I DON'T CARE HOW MANY THINGS I NEED TO DO THIS NEED TO BE WATCHED NOW

[@Elsie_15]

Same

[@nd_1989]

I understand the feeling 🥺

[@Zoot85]

I agree with you.

[@KL96012]

“wello waster i wuv you”

[@lucasallanrogers]

Pay your damn taxes

[@Omnywrench]

I'm just curious what Thanksgiving Town is supposed to be like. Is it just a never-ending parade of Puritan colonialism and turkey slaughter?

[@wwthegoblinking]

There's a war going on and the turkeys are losing. THE BIRDS NEED BACKUP!

[@issytheamateurnerd9877]

My theory is that they have big gardens and turkey farms and right before Thanksgiving, they come to our world and replace our turkeys with their fattend-up ones. Then, for the rest of the year they continue to take care of and fatten up the turkeys they stole and come Thanksgiving they replace our turkeys again.

[@briankenney9528]

Its constant football and arguing about politics

[@thatfaewitch6860]

Golden Spark welp that’s better then what me and my friend debated yesterday . Saying it’s was a bunch of Indians and colonials fighting

[@LucianCorrvinus]

@@thatfaewitch6860 Actually if there were anymore truth in it, it would be Puritans being saved from starvation by those First Nation people, cuz that's the Truth of it....

[@toonkid5196]

Excuse me, ma'am, MatPat would like to hire you.

[@Bears_editz]

Yes I bet he would!

[@FloweringC0rpse]

𝕐𝔼𝕊

[@kitsuneakage22]

Film Theory should be hiring

[@TF2Scout..]

Maybe yeah he would

[@thepickles8833]

Don’t

[@rosem9221]

“Jack has kids. WHAT?!” Ad: “I BEEN FEELING DRYYYYY BABY.” true story

[@burntcocaine5794]

dry bones

[@peaceofpiety]

4 kids actually... and hes knocking on my door right now

[@gh0stliquid478]

PixiePawz LMFAOOOO

[@shannonfairywalker2466]

I'm scream laughing

[@abigailc6873]

*Bone* *Daddy* 😂😂😂

[@Tucker619]

Doctor: YOU ARE THE FATHER! Jack: *flips chair and runs out*

[@mikulover9452]

Hands down best comment I've read

[@cristierobinson9686]

This kills me xD

[@possums154]

I’m fricken wheezing

[@airianna7626]

LMAOOOOOOOO

[@thefakermakers5445]

This deserves more likes

[@grandshadowseal]

The parts about Jack having kids is in the dvd too

[@kangaroo8057]

Wait where

[@grandshadowseal]

@@kangaroo8057 at the end of the film but I think it was on the special edition dvd

[@BramLastname]

I believe it was at the end of the credits somewhere, Tho I might be thinking of a different movie.

[@grandshadowseal]

@@BramLastname it might have been I'd have to watch the dvd again to be sure

[@ragingchaosgod]

And the soundtrack

[@leiarobinson3549]

You know another theory that Jack and Sally could've had children is magic. Remember in the song "Jack's Lament" where Jack states "with the slightest little efforts of my ghost-like charms"? Just those lyrics alone gave me the idea that Jack could have possibly possessed magic, thus using that magic to impregnate Sally, and the magic itself forming a baby.

[@bunny.a.rabbit9816]

I never thought of that!! I always thought they kids were made by Dr. Finklestein!

[@leiarobinson3549]

@@bunny.a.rabbit9816 Well yeah that too ^^ cause it would make sense that Corpse Kid was probably reanimated by Dr. Finklestein. ;) But yeah thought the other theory I thought of might be like theory 2. :D lol

[@tayloranderson7547]

Sally, and the magic itself forming a baby.

[@Melodyofthesea78]

Anything is possible with fictional characters.

[@catherinejustcatherine1778]

But, for animated life to spark & grow in Halloween town, I think that's unlikely. Animated death or animated things, that is the life in Halloween town.

[@alixinthemiddle]

In an interview with Selek about the making of the movie, he mentioned pretty much every character design was from Burton, and the weird spiral hill Jack walks down was also all Burton. So a lot of the art in the book came from Burton himself

[@glenndavis5743]

Jack is also in James and the Giant Peach movie in the underwater scene when they go to the pirate ship wreckage. Apparently, before he died - Jack Skellington was Captain Jack Skellington.

[@Lulu-tf5ho]

*gasps* captain jack sparrow BA BA BUUUUUM jkjk

[@ProcrastinatorProductions]

Oh yeah, I remember that.

[@Emisop]

Or they were just reusing his face and he wasn't a captain.

[@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg]

He's also in Sleepy Hollow...

[@hollyjewell]

and the beetlejuice the movie

[@teabean1348]

Is no one gonna talk about on how cute her character is.

[@BramLastname]

So you new here?

[@teabean1348]

@@BramLastname no I've been here I've just never commented on her videos that much

[@LucianCorrvinus]

The Beldame....hold my pocket dimension.

[@switchblade6]

Ikr she's absolutely precious

[@theweirdestfish9962]

600 likes

[@MuttonTheDragon]

I feel like I should mention that Jack has SOME fleshy bits. I mean, there is no way he could sing like that if his tongue was all bone, and we know his tongue. What's more, when we see the tongue clear as day when he scares Lock, Shock, and Barrel during the Easter Bunny scene, the INSIDE of the skeleton is rather fleshy. It is possible, however slightly, that he might have some working hardware. As for Sally... Well, that's probably where this line of thought dies entirely. She's basically a bag of dead leaves. Up to this point, we know Finklestein needs to use SOME sort of organic material to make his creations, like bones for the reindeer or half of his own brain for the lady Finklestein, but we have NO idea what he used to make Sally. Maybe he used lady bits, maybe he used a spinal column, we don't know.

[@alastorlapid2365]

I don't think he's the kind of guy to go half-way (no pun intended) with his creation.

[@lottib463]

But we only see her limbs (feet and hands included) fall off, maybe only them are stuffed with leaves, or the leaves are like blood? I think she might have proper organs or something like that, maybe rotting pumpkins or something else? Idk. So maybe she can reproduce? I have a mini headcanon that Sally was meant to be Dr finklestein's wife, instead of daughter figure, and plans changed and Mrs finklestein was created afterward so maybe he did include the 'parts' to sally 😏 Just a few ideas ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Sally-ts8cb]

Fun fact: I was originally going to be stuffed with scraps of flesh rather than leaves

[@standingonbusiness1441]

@@lottib463 that’s a good theory!

[@haypochi1263]

Well I feel like she has to have at least a brain in order to think, feel, and retain knowledge, other than that tho? I have no idea

[@partyrock4144]

I really like the scarecrow at the start of the film that i can only find referred to as "the pumpkin king" that bursts into flames and leaps into the fountain to reveal jack. We don't see him for very long but what we do see he is full of chaotic energy and perfectly embodies the more unrestrained aspects of halloween by pretending to be normal scarecrow beckoning others into halloween town only to come alive and burst into flames in a crazy peahen ritual

[@strenuousspider9525]

It's a homage to Pumkinhead Jack who Jack Skellington the pumpkin king is based off.

[@nataliewertz9857]

Jack: steals snow Jack: "And this is sno-... where did it go? There's just a bunch of water everywhere!"

[@strlmdz9663]

BRUH- THATS SO TRUE

[@Raeraesunshine13]

It's called "Science", jack, not "Breaking the 4th wall by making snow not being able to melt like irl", lol.😂😂😂😂😂

[@weonsiel]

That title caught everybody's eye

[@mo0nflowersart]

It caught my eye

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa790]

@@mo0nflowersart Now you only have one eye.

[@etps4444]

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa790 Unless they only had one - then they're blind.

[@idigamstudios7463]

@@etps4444 The title wants to thank you for your donations.

[@ifyourereplyingtomycomment1941]

Im the 666 like...

[@amitamaru]

I always followed the interpretation of Sally being Dr. Finklestein's daughter going through the rebellious teenage phase, or young adult phase. (shrug). Anyways, now that he has a Mrs. Finklestein and the Pumpkin King for a son-in-law, why wouldn't he want the whole package? Grandbabies! At least, that's why I think he'd help in the finale.

[@aerodyte6908]

Brought a tear to my eye beautiful how Santa remembered about jack and there interaction of another takeover warms my heart 😢

[@Paza9]

"Snow means christmas" *SAD AUSTRALIAN NOISES*

[@shawtyslikeamelody7595]

*cries in tropical country*

[@marianasobrenome3316]

*cries in brazillian*

[@vickytoria0666]

Cries in all the latin-americans countries.

[@logmidnight3669]

*Laughs in Canada*

[@aussie_mozzie]

**Cries in forest fires**

[@vomrabenauge]

So, many years later, I thought I'd drop in, And there was old Jack, still looking quite thin, With four or five skeleton children at hand, Playing strange little tunes in their xylophone band. And I asked old Jack, Do you remember the night, When the sky was so dark, And the moon shone so bright, When a million small children pretending to sleep, Nearly didn't have Christmas at all, so to speak? And would, if you could, Turn that might clock back to that long faithful night, Now, think carefully, Jack! Would you do the whole thing all over again? Knowing what you know now, Knowing what you knew then? And he smiled like the old Pumpkin King that I knew, Then turned, and asked softly of me, Wouldn't you? I have listened to the original soundtrack since I could comprehend words and Stewert's voice is imprinted into my gray matter with both this ending and the beginning poem.

[@Promthanius]

Exactly! We know he had kids

[@cryptvish]

Amen .. goood work yall

[@tayloranderson7547]

Ending and the beginning pome.

[@thomasingle8827]

Completely agree!

[@NeoShot]

Why would they mention he had kids if they really weren't his offspring?

[@aarondunbar4707]

"Sally" wasn't a thing in the original poem. The movie was originally started by Burton but as he had his hands full with the sequel of the 1989 Batman, he handed it off to Henry Selick which later became a legal dispute as to who owned the rights to the movie itself. Burton of course winning the suit, because the poem was written first. This however is NOT a Tim Burton film. And Jack is even seen in other films such as James and the Giant Peach which is also directed by Selick. So the theory doesnt hold up quite well. Now as for Sally's "becoming" she was a secondary role to the movie to further the plot and develop the story itself. As you can clearly see, all the interaction between Sally and Jack are quite brief and developing it would cost more money and time. When Disney finally acquired the rights to the movie, the love story between Jack and Sally's became a highly pushed marketing tool which helped facilitate fascinations like these into believing that more was there when in fact, there wasn't. This is due to Sally's unrequited love finally being noticed by the films end. Decades later the story was added on to by Other Writers and the story has taken shape into one of the "Greatest Goth Romances" ever created because of said merch. Not the actual story or even movie itself.

[@TheHatMan69]

I would like to read the sources you draw from. This is intriguing information!

[@kayleejazz1669]

You could argue that Burton stole the character (Also named Jack) from return to oz. And while he was responsible for the interpretation of the character in that film you could make a case that he’s claiming a character he stole himself. Also I think the reason a lot of people see this as Tim burtons film is because of marketing and the poem and a few other things.

[@Infectedwithrabies]

fangirls of sans: b o n e d a d d y jack: hah, they dont even know (this was the worst comment ever 😔)

[@WhyHeEepy]

I have worse comments, don't worry.

[@joestarjester6011]

Jack is sans grandfather but hey that’s just a theory a game theory

[@batshxtcrazydog]

not true

[@pandagirlmo7373]

@@joestarjester6011 oh my God that made burst out laughing

[@alafuntime9054]

No it's funny

[@notatamakisuohkinnie3129]

THE QUEEN HAS POSTED WE ARE GRATEFUL

[@ButterscotchMcBean1995]

Indeed young one.

[@radiostaticboy]

ALL HAIL THE QUEEN

[@hatcellucard599]

Me, hiding from Queen Vanessa: I’m not

[@Jellied_Slime_Games]

All hail the queen

[@echosheart632]

@The Gaming Red Wolf someone unliked it cause of you lol

[@idrinkembalmingfluids]

I love the romance in it,when I was younger I would rewatch it over and over and over to watch the ending with jack and sally

[@SkullZie]

Its so satisfying to see them together XD

[@cristierobinson9686]

Sameee

[@cristierobinson9686]

They so good together tho

[@imperfect_star8025]

As someone who’s listening to the soundtrack basically all my life I find it VERY surprising that no one knew Jack had kids

[@Someguyonline24]

How could you get that from the soundtrack?

[@Someguyonline24]

Never mind, sorry about that

[@renroxhrd]

I kinda always just imagined jack and sally having kids the conventional way. They're low-key one of my favorite Disney couples

[@o.Froggy.o]

Brings a new meaning to the word "boner" 😭💀

[@Icalasari]

Third theory: All the holidays know of each other now. What if Jack went to Easter town to steal a seed of life, as it were, letting him actually _have_ biological kids with Sally?

[@katziliaf]

That's a good one, actually. If we consider Halloween, aka autumn, as a time of "endless decay&death", Easter, aka spring, could be considered the opposite of it, aka, a time of "endless rebirth &life". So yeah, maybe there could be like some seed, that fuses the two components of cotton & bone, to little kids.

[@lilenwasnothere6867]

that actually sounds so cute

[@Yuethefallen]

God, Jack and Sally must've been pulling some lv 100 Jedi mind tricks and bargaining to pull that off, still, hell of an awkward talk with the Easter bunny on that one. o. O

[@katziliaf]

@@Yuethefallen You mean because the three little plagues accidentally kidnapped him?

[@Yuethefallen]

@@katziliaf no I mean like lock, shock and barrel try to steal the life seed and get caught and jack and Sally have to go to the Easter door and explain why they needed it and that they never intended to steal it.

[@cringyasdemonetization2793]

Oh goodness me.... a bone daddy that’s a kink. edit: yo thank you guys so much for these likes lmao sorry being a basic b*tch heh.

[@KL96012]

“Ello nwO

[@basicallymikan-616]

No no no hell no 😂

[@knight_of_sorrows8800]

Calling people daddy is gross Stop kink shaming me Kink shaming is my kinK.

[@JustCallMeLegion]

Knight_of_ sorrows AAAAAAAAAA

[@cringyasdemonetization2793]

Knight_of_ sorrows XD

[@sterlingdragon123]

I find it incredible that this poem is such an obscure oddity that it's not transcribed online anywhere, because when I was a young child obsessed with this movie, I also listened to that soundtrack over and over and knew all of this stuff already! Although, I had never really thought about the worldbuilding consequences of Jack having children, so I'm happy for the new insight.

[@Sashimi_luv]

Tim Burton is actually kinda an egotistical jerk. Henry Selick really deserves more credit the more you know about him.

[@ionlywatchartvideos982]

Oh nice

[@shadetee234]

Yep. It's a known fact that he ends up having children (by the movie's ending, Jack has kids with Sally as she wasn't mentioned by name in the original poem). My elementary school library had a copy of the original poem that I borrowed nearly every Halloween, and with an added bonus of the librarian being a huge fan of the film and story; not to mention that the wiki also mentions it as well on many occasions.

[@sillylittleguy9636]

angel dust.

[@WhyHeEepy]

@@corndogonasticc I don't like to think about it....

[@bunny.a.rabbit9816]

I learned about it from the album, I like to imagine Dr. Finklestein built them little skeleton kids Edit:spelling

[@tayloranderson7547]

He ends up having children by movie's ending up jack has kids with Sally copy of the original pome that I wink

[@joestarjester6011]

I do not recall seeing a child in the movie that’s jacks or salys

[@mistywebb6831]

Selick admitted a long time ago that the epilogue was supposed to be more than a narration. They just ran out of time to make the whole scene so they put it on the sound track instead.

[@mattchavez2828]

Jack Skellington: abitfrank: *BONE DADDY*

[@Aliceswindow]

I don’t think that the Skelton kids can be the skeletons from the hanging tree because in oogies revenge the hanging tree says he lost his hanging “men”.

[@todorokishoto3058]

"Jack steals the letter C from the Christmas Town sign, making it Histmas, like a snake." Oh cool... Wait... C-H-R-I-S-T-M-A-S Christmas - C = hristmas Hmmm... (Loved the video btw)

[@emma-di5ly]

That's what I thought

[@zenagitana]

Todoroki Shoto, I came to the comments specifically for this.

[@nika9479]

I was looking for this comment!

[@well-nighmonochrome871]

*joins the club without notice*

[@abitfrank]

Yeeeeeaaahhhh.... Jack apparently stole an extra letter in my drawing... Whoops!

[@kingofflames738]

Could you maybe cover the true story of Alice in wonderland and the stories of the wonderland?

[@muchoomoorek]

Oh, yes! Great idea

[@eden_marie]

Omg yesss

[@indigowendigo8165]

That's a good idea. :p They are a ton of adaptions and parodies of that, but I'm not sure if I know much about the original, or at least the sequel, The Looking Glass...

[@jessamynroguski9649]

As the person OBSESSED with Alice in Wonderland i second this notion

[@mariacleofeipacuribot1090]

Yes

[@sppd100]

I always thought it was strange that the CD with the ost of The Nightmare Before Christmas had lyrical differences from the music in the movie. For example, Jack’s ballad in the graveyard after falling from the sky has extra lines in the version in the CD.

[@Ghost_iee]

Abitfrank: *posts about jack skellington* Me: *wearing a jack skellington onesie* Me: *it's go time*

[@Ghost_iee]

@@yohann3825 thanks

[@APoliticalConfusionAndMess]

*showtime

[@Ghost_iee]

@@APoliticalConfusionAndMess i ment go time

[@amberalberson7010]

Same

[@emberdreadful5604]

Honestly same XD

[@un-inkpressivevideos9541]

I might be wrong but I remember hearing that Patrick Stuwarts lines from the cd was originally going to be in the film but apparently was cut for some reason. It might have been in the bonus features in the newer editions. Also Vincent Price was originally going to play Santa Claus but they didn’t because of the death of his wife and the voice lines made Santa seem more depressed

[@xxluseexx8121]

I used to have a mug that my mom bought me with Sally and a small child that looked a mix of both her and Jack. Now, I ain't saying this is canon, but still, people have brought up the idea before

[@DMJ94UC]

My guess is that Jack at some point went to the town with the heart-door (valentines day I guess) and found out why they like bones there too. Mustve been awkward coming back with skeleton kids like "whooops"

[@lottib463]

O h

[@autismcreatureirl]

The way my smile dropped

[@syo5416]

Oh yeah, I knew he has Children a couple of years ago. But I can't remember where I learn that... Gotta say, we all are confused at h o w

[@_otter.pop_84732]

*_magic_*

[@errorsans4308]

*B o n e d a d d y*

[@futuremercy8268]

B O N E D A D D Y **MAGIC**

[@fructosecornsyrup5759]

I'd, uh, point to Undertale fangirl logic, but I highly discourage anyone from leaping down that rabbit hole.

[@julie-mi6db]

*B O N E D A D D Y*

[@blehblehblehdracula]

Theory: jack and the doctor obviously have a close working relationship (as seen in the film). He and sally developed a relationship and decided they wanted offspring. Jack speaks with the doctor and makes his children scientifically.

[@gothicMCRgirl]

That would make a little more sense to me. After all, not only is the doctor responsible for creating and giving life to Sally, but he also does the same to the skeleton reindeer AND he even makes another lab assistant in his image towards the end, after Sally runs away.

[@Blueeyesinthesky]

Even if he wasn’t happy with sally after what she did, he really liked and respected jack so I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the kids for them. Like at least his creation married the pumpkin king lol

[@angelbyte]

Someone else also made an good point that when Jack was singing he implied he had magic of some kind and could've made Sally and him children.

[@alastorlapid2365]

They probably could have a child on their own. I mean, I don't think the doctor would go half way (no pun intended) on Sally's creation, so he probably gave her those organs. And Jack seems to be able to eat, meaning he probably has some organs. With sally being put together the way she is she'd probably have to be put under a strict house arrest though.

[@dream_walker9726]

*how did I not think of this, I’m so stupid-*

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

I remember official Nightmare merch tat clearly showed that Jack and Sally had a child when I was in middle school (around 2010)

[@mrpotatohead1174]

the fact that I got a go daddy ad right after she said "and jack...had... KIDS!" made this even more amazing

[@tamarabespoke290]

*our beloved bone daddy* The Queen has made her statement, we must commence

[@CaptainSoftboy501]

Idk where or how but I actually have heard those verses that mention Jack's kids. Mandela effect???

[@Riggs_The_Roadie]

Nope. You probably just listened to the closing from the soundtrack. I heard it a couple of years ago while listening to all the songs on KZbin.

[@silvermoons7539]

@@Riggs_The_Roadie yeah that's how I heard it too

[@CherrySteinz]

It's also on spotify

[@BriAngel476]

ive never heard the soundtrack, but im pretty sure i heard the epilogue in a youtube vid

[@avereynakama9854]

Yeah, the epilogue says he has kids after the events of the movie.

[@riakun]

I was literally 3 months old when this first came out, but I didn't see it until 5 years later and then fell in love. My uncle and I both love the movie, and we even went to see the 25th anniversary showing at Hollywood bowl that had a live Orchestra and most of the original cast singing a few years back. So many great memories for this movie, but I didn't know all this extra content existed. I gotta go and hunt all of it down now! XD Thanks for your videos! Your voice with your littla icon are perfect for these

[@gilliganIII]

I was raised in a home without television and so while I loved the movie, the soundtrack was what I'm most familiar, and I love these excerpts from the poem. I was also very excites to find Sir Patrick Stewart and Sir Christopher Lee did readings of the poem.

[@AnimaMandala]

I can only imagine the mess Jack could make of any other holiday. Halloween Town Thanksgiving? Zombie turkeys that eat people!

[@stucrew7232]

St. Patrick's Day, though.

[@sirfrancis8732]

Everybody getting blasted on candy flavored booze and anyone that dues from being too intoxicated just gets reanimated theough skeleton magics, it's a perfect fit!

[@BellaxPalus]

Southpark did it!

[@ingridfong-daley5899]

Thanksgiving II: Turkeys' Revenge

[@applesnappleXD]

The CD the Nightmare Revisited. Has the same narration, and the end of the CD. The Epilogue, those are in-fact Jack’s children. It’s canon too. Also you definitely need to check out that CD because it’s all the original music but all the songs are sung by metal/rock bands. Such as Korn, Marlyn Manson, Shiny Toy Guns, Fall out Boy, etc.

[@sporeham1674]

Isn't one done by The All American Rejects?

[@artsyscrub3226]

@@sporeham1674 I belive so! There's a playlist on youtube somewhere

[@sporeham1674]

@@artsyscrub3226 Neato! I'll check it out when I can!

[@AliceJaneSyndicate]

I think the book had 3 doors to represent -birth/the beginning (the egg), -life/love (the heart), -rebirth/change/the end and the beginning [of the year] (the Xmas tree), and maybe Halloween town represents death/the end It all is ambiguously referencing time I believe and slighly hinting at duality

[@cassandraharris6005]

If he only stole the "C" wouldn't it have been "hristmas Town" ??? Im confused lol

[@mageofdoomsie1598]

Wait a minute you’re right

[@vildrox019]

I came here to comment this, but found it in the comments a little ways down, so I'll just give you a like.

[@DkKombo]

6:55 "The scene looks so close to what was shot in the movie it's scary!" *Immediately cuts to an ad* Me: *AH!* That IS scary!!!

[@mathieudussault3003]

🤣😂

[@bigkidsclubhq]

Wouldn’t stealing the “C” make it “Hristmas Town?” With an r?

[@thefoxcelotclub]

Jesse Baxter he swiped the r to

[@cassandraharris6005]

I just commented the same thing im glad someone elae caught it i thought I missed something lol

[@Chikadulce10]

I watch this movie every year on Halloween as my tradition. Been doing it for as long as I can remember. I would have honestly FREAKED out in your situation, to be getting that new piece of official lore in such an unexpected way. I’m so glad I know this now. Thanks for sharing it with the world who had no way of knowing otherwise 😅😍

[@xxEmmeline.Laurier]

Dude, The Nightmare Before Christmas is my ABSOLUTE favourite movie ever.

[@mcsmileycorp]

This channel is a trip. Completely creepy and eerie, yet somewhat cute in a strange way? Nonetheless a great video.

[@theweirdestfish9962]

i agree 100%

[@RenAsterion]

i do believe the term is "creepy-cute". lol

[@DreamDragoness25]

I think things CAN grow in Halloween Town. In "The Nightmare Before Christmas: Oogie's Revenge," when when Jack interacts with a guillotine in the Town Square, he stated that he had one "when he was a boy." Then again, the game's considered non-canon, so what do I know?

[@trinketsphinx3212]

Jack was apparently a pirate, too. James and the Giant Peach used his VERY expressive bony face for a skele-pirate captain

[@TheInnerEvil]

I adore your art style, its so grim yet beautiful for it. Its so pleasing to watch especially with your soft voice as commentary

[@starlex3021]

Of course Jack has a child. His name is Sora.

[@waytoomanyfandoms6226]

No!

[@Gloomdrake]

His mother was still waiting for him to come down for dinner when the Darkness overtook her.

[@ladyraven3418]

@@Gloomdrake D A R K N E S S

[@plink4017]

Funnee screm-

[@NimhLabs]

Had a child... until Sora was norted. As one does to boys--nort a boy.

[@geekygamergal7695]

As far as I know, any artwork that features Sally with dark hair and sans stitches is from pre-production. Tim Burton has shown his original sketches in a few extra credit features on the older DVDs, and it was when he was working with Selick on the characterization, and Elfman on the songs, that Sally started to change to her current iteration.

[@spacedorito3336]

Not really video related, but I love listening to your voice. It just makes me feel so warm and taken care of. Thank you so much for making this beautiful and interesting content!!

[@echoingvistas]

I know this is an old video, but your reciting of the ending VO gave me nostalgic shivers. I listened to that soundtrack endlessly as a kid. I still listen to the songs today, but I haven't played that CD in forever, so I completely forgot about that. Thank you for the reminder, it was very lovely.

[@macaroon7068]

Jack and sally just went to valentine town or Easter town and that’s how they got the kids

[@weresofansie1457]

N-no.

[@catherinejustcatherine1778]

They would have to physically change somehow. They need genetic material & a living place to successfully incubate it. Perhaps inside a valentine, or Easter egg?

[@moxwinters6165]

Nobody: Not a soul: Jack Skellington in Oogie’s Revenge: SOUL ROBBER!

[@deremotive11]

I AM THE PUMPKIN KING!

[@KingOfGaymes]

**slaps giant green sticky hand at character**

[@AnimeLoveLover123]

Oh my god! That line is burned into my mind!

[@ratsmackerpoundcoin]

There are no souls because he robbed them

[@yehee_GotYourToes]

I'm the pumpkin king now

[@leocervidae]

I feel like unwittingly watching nightmare before Christmas as a kid is a common experience 😂. It really isn’t a kids movie… i was super confused by it as a kid and kinda blacked it out too…. Until i watched it much older and was like “ohhhh now i get it, this is actually really good”.

[@SpencerFields1993Vaan117]

Also that same excerpt about Jack having kids is in the Nightmare Revisited Album that released in 2008. I honestly thought that everyone knew that he had kids lol

[@rebelrainbow8305]

Thumnail: Jack is a father?! Me: NANI?!?!?!

[@abby9831]

This movie actually helped me overcome my fear of monsters as a kid. The only reason I can come up with is because to my little self they all seemed light hearted and nice (I was oblivious to everything so I didn’t get the death or torture references or anything)

[@punxiegeddings2711]

You are absolutely wonderful. Your voice is soft as silk .Your opinions don’t sound abrasive . You seem like a kind and sweet person . You’re what youtube needs hun... keep this up.

[@rinblack533]

Ahh I love the character for this channel!! Such a simple twist on the normal oc and I fricken feel like it meshes with ur voices so well

[@issytheamateurnerd9877]

What if children CAN be born in Halloween Town and they continue growing untill they're adults. Then, they stop aging because now, as adults, they can fulfill their purpose. But if a child dies and then comes to Halloween Town (like the corpse kid) they won't age.

[@xXHallowed_EveXx]

My oc wanda is a witch that doesn't age as she died young so If your theory is true my oc makes sense

[@squingldoo4518]

I liked it when Jack said, "SOUL ROBBER!" Seriously though, I liked the fact that in the TNBC game Boogies revenge; each boss fight had a musical number.

[@Rickushi]

I never found the original OST, BUT in the "remake" of the soundtrack (with bands like Korn) they actually kept Sir Patric's opening and closure, so the first time that I heard about Jack's children I literally cried a bit because it touched my heart 🥺💖

[@dream_walker9726]

*me remembering in 5th grade when we were told to write our own fairy tale and I literally wrote TNBC fan fiction and got 100 on it-* The plot was basically an elf who was bored of Christmas and knew of the old story with Jack and went to Halloween town.

[@sometimessnarky1642]

Bringing Christmas to Halloween town A: the ghouls were able to have fun WITHOUT it needing to be scary fun B: New life and growth and Jacks ability to have children

[@SpecialEdge]

You can listen to the CD poem on Spotify, that’s how I already know he has children

[@ichigoeater]

Oh, hey, I have that CD. I got the 2006 reissue of it, so it came with a 9 track bonus cover CD which had both Marilyn Manson's and Panic! at the Disco's versions of This is Halloween. I think Fall Out Boy was on it, too, as well as a bunch of songs covered by Danny Elfman himself.

[@lastgirl7071]

i just listened to the closing on the original score. i loved it!! thank you for letting me know it existed. i NEVER would have thought to look in the original soundtrack.

[@gieromguy_does_nothing_pro8458]

Good to know im not the only one who was most afraid of "the one hiding under your stairs"

[@audhdGaming]

Fingers like snakes and spiders in my hair 🐍🕷

[@alexpena4091]

Im more afraid of Im the one hiding under your stairs Simply because ive been watching SCP videos one of which is a creature thatll paralyze the part of your body that is exposed Exception being the head it has red eyes comes from under the bed and will not stop until the body part is gone

[@audhdGaming]

@@alexpena4091 dude wtf that's scary af man

[@slenders1ckn3ss]

The last line, 'Wouldn't you?', still gives me goosebumps, just thinking about it. The message of that closing is just magical.

[@TivWalker]

you did a great job entertaining us with your views and halfway through, it sparked my intrigue to look a few things up, for personal, and purchase, or food of mind. wonderful and see you next time; you post that is. cheers.

[@rashadnagi7531]

I just found your channel and I adore it! Exactly the film and lore content I just can never get enough of!

[@beblack6018]

Yerrr, I want a bone daddy now ....wait

[@Kenziethebenzy]

*Laughs* that’s amazing!

[@joeahern8960]

Lol

[@brybaby89]

XD.

[@luvcassie]

sHHHHHHHHHhHh

[@_wheresthefood_3381]

Rory Rose LMAO

[@honeybabes2017]

i love how this movie can be a christmas movie and a halloween movie hehe

[@mermaidprettymuch]

So glad I found this channel! Time to dive in and binge. Thanks for the content!

[@v1p3rlotus]

Sans: *First time, huh? Jack: ...

[@allthelonely4287]

10:39 So we basically have your uncle to thank for your videos' style and tone. Thank you uncle of abitfrank.

[@Faye_K_Lias]

In the Oogie's Revenge game, I remember a piece of flavour text from looking at a guillotine where Jack mentions his childhood. If the game is being considered canon, that would likely mean characters actually can age and children can be born in Halloween Town.

[@PhotoJeticPoet]

"whatever Sally is made of..." Laughs in latest video explaining it all ❤️

[@etrianregigigas1761]

I've always been a sucker for romance and musicals, so the ending scene always holds a special place in my heart. That being said, the opening was spectacular and "Making Christmas" was a very creative scene with a catchy song! I haven't played the game's sadly, but that'll change if I can find at least the DS one (Nintendo nerd here, Playstation isn't an option)

[@brybaby89]

I remember the very first time I heard that epilogue, it still gives me goosebumps I mean, especially if you listen to Sally and Jack's duet before hand... all of the feels. This is my favorite of your videos I've seen thus far!