How Onin keeps Steve legal

Thanks Onin (steve main btw)
(learning to motion track in davinci resolve, this is how I stay focused)
Follow Onin on Twitter dot com: / bansteveplease
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[@WhyDo]

YO by the way I'm competing in the HUNGRYBLOCKS tomorrow - Hbox's 8 man Steve main invitational, where Steve is BANNED! Watch me either play Guy Fieri or tier whore with Pyra/Mythra!!!!!!!!!! (NO GUARANTEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) GAMING: twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/1561802744045965313 UPDATE: I GOT 2ND BEATING ONIN + ROCKMAN & LOSING TO DDEE!! WAS A BLAST!

[@RushWheeler]

Injustice at its finest

[@Walpurgisnackt]

the minecart's tracks were leading to flavortown this whole time

[@javien3561]

Bruh why ban steve and not ban sm4sh bayo? Like wth

[@RushWheeler]

@@javien3561 because so many people actually believed the "learn the matchup" bullshit with Bayo, but nobody believes it for the character whose entire counterplay is the fucking *SKY*

[@zannax351]

@@RushWheeler i thought it was because bayo got nerfed and people thought that was enough to keep her in check, and then by the time people realized she was still overpowered smash ultimate was already around the corner and everyone just kinda stopped caring about smash 4

[@Valdean3]

Whydo could you lose to a bowser in bracket so people start thinking he’s the solution? Thanks in advance!

[@zuppa0497]

You’re evil. P.S. I just got a Dracovish with +attack -special attack

[@cjlite0210]

@@zuppa0497 epic The Steve of Pokemon

[@RushWheeler]

No, make him lose to a Little Mac main so that people start thinking Little Mac is the Anti-steve and then everyone starts mailing Little Mac.

[@theBCEproductions]

Steve's be like "learn the matchup" while refusing to engage you until they become the strongest character in the game (it takes six seconds)

[@Tonjit41]

Who is Steve? Why did you comment this?

[@theBCEproductions]

@@Tonjit41 I honestly don't remember, I think it might have been a fever dream.

[@10kwithzerobitches20]

@@theBCEproductions maybe Steve was just the friends we made along the way

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

@Specimen 69 Wish i could LOVE this comment

[@pika4668]

let's say, hypothetically, I wanted to keep Steve legal

[@router_BasedUser]

ok

[@Stryfe52]

You can’t, we ban him - there is no other option

[@vivelespatat2670]

There's no other options, you must perish.

[@seansean792]

Gosh I find it so fuckin hilarious that all these characters, all these super powerful characters in their home series, and fucking minecraft Steve is shitting on people.

[@mrmrpineapple6542]

King of evil loses to yellow rats and funny block man so hard that it’s not even funny

[@seansean792]

@@mrmrpineapple6542 demon king bashed over head with anvil and dies 💀

[@robhillen8007]

Steve is also very powerful in his home series, he just doesn't make it obvious.

[@shill2920]

I mean minecraft steve is literally a god if you think about it

[@vivelespatat2670]

Steve mains till they find a secret tech to type /gamemode creative

[@RealHumanVT]

Clearly we need to ban the Death Note

[@nickrose1312]

I mean, pretty much every smash player I know doesn't go by their real name. Using the death note would probably be harder than playing smash.

[@ByoKora775]

But people practically know their names anyways so it’s way easier than you think have you ever walked up to a top player at a tournament or watch the PGR videos you get their real names or just google em too

[@EmptyHand49]

Steve players are so skilled they deserve to only play in tournaments where everyone plays Steve.

[@griffingeary3356]

I am pro Steve segregation

[@firewall5189]

segregation based on character mains goes crazy i dig it

[@ultimax10doesgaming48]

It's written in stone now. Everyone has to learn the matchup.

[@WarrenValion]

Throwing to keep the character in competeive play. Brilliant move

[@giz1006]

Light Yagami would totally play Steve

[@ringss_]

Light plays Steve, L plays Joker, Misa plays Daisy (specifically Daisy), Near plays Rob, and Mello plays Captain Falcon

[@largenaq2935]

@@ringss_ Nah I’m pretty sure Light plays Fox

[@kuniokun9117]

Kira would play Steve, relinquish ownership of Steve in order to keep him legal, play as an upstanding character (probably Lucina) while he's back to being Light, then the moment he decides to touch Steve again is when he keikaku doori's

[@wampty8298]

Well in Deathnote fashion, depending on how you look at it, the genius was defeated

[@Carlisho]

I saw that pen in the thumbnail and I just knew this was gonna be a good minute-ish

[@SkafosGnW]

Isnt dabuz just...incorrect though? It took Steve a year and a half to get any relevant placement. That was not the case for Bayonetta

[@PomadaGaming]

It took Steve a year and a half to have people ask about banning him on mass. Never when the game still had updates was there an actual trend of “nerf steve” no,The trend is ban steve. I would agree if a character is broken or truly defines the meta and shit,to me it really is just learn the matchup in this case honestly.

[@SkafosGnW]

@@PomadaGaming Yeah Im kinda with you. I definitely underrated steve for a long time, but i dont really care how good a character's buttons are; he has the worst initial dash in the game by a sizeable margin, worst jump height, terrible ground speed, terrible air speed and air accel. He's clearly an extremely good character but not the best-at-everything no-weaknesses monster people are pretending he is

[@PlatinumMage]

@@SkafosGnWsteve’s grab is very spammable and mindless, same goes with most of his kit. He can also literally break the rules of the game by stopping his air momentum

[@osprey_06]

steve mains suppressed their power until final patch

[@RushWheeler]

It's all just fun and games until people actually find a good matchup against Steve.

[@ivrydice0954]

Who wants to tell em?

[@kayden2119]

its hilarious how everyone is annoyed at the "just learn the matchup" advice but they have still yet to actually attempt and learn it. I highly doubt anybody aside from a few top players have put in any real effort to adapting. Ultimate players refuse to actually improve.

[@neevko267]

@@kayden2119 this game has been out for 4 years and just now you're realizing that SSBU players would rather cry and pout instead of learning?

[@phypesmash6154]

It's Mii Gunner unironically.

[@kayden2119]

@@neevko267 it only got really bad recently

[@ivrydice0954]

The real AF dying sounds with Sora getting murdered at 0:09 will never not be funny.

[@VarsVerum]

Zach, you could do so many better things with your time.

[@WhyDo]

Why No One Plays Steve when?

[@SussyBaka_irl]

& is also on their way to 50 million channel views & has surpassed 170,000 subs. Keep in mind, that's 1 of 3 YT channels they possess. I'd love to see you try something similar.

[@tl1326]

@@wits_end. literally the most discriminated group of people even implying that a person plays league is an insult that will last many generations

[@pocketinfinity2165]

I’m of the mindset we should adapt not ban because counter pick metas are more enjoyable for me (the viewer)

[@nathanlevesque7812]

good sport

[@aknightwithme]

you do relliaze steve just invaldates most characthers

[@Skinimink1234]

@@aknightwithme then just don't fight Steve. Problem solved

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@aknightwithme hyperbole

[@xanander4693]

@@aknightwithme but some characters invalidate him trying to invalidate them.

[@PomadaGaming]

To quote Plankton: “OOH MY GOODNESS!”

[@zanderchezcake]

Light would definitely main zombie

[@xanander4693]

Onin is gonna place outside of top 128 at the next major to give the illusion that Steve is actually the worst character in the game. Then Sakurai will release a patch to buff Steve and make his minecart invincible, allow Steve to place blocks everywhere on the stage, and give him bigger disjointed hit boxes. And when Steve reached 100%, he will go into creative mode, making him invincible for the rest of the match.

[@ruta_VA]

Hoping to see another one of those "Ranking every Mii brawler moveset" videos at some point, I love your content!

[@Ineedthisplease]

You're doing gods work

[@kavinbala8885]

see if he begins to intentionally lose to little mac and ganon players then starts saying that little mac and ganon have a good mu vs steve he can spread interesting propoganda

[@leavengg2919]

First, quality memepost

[@wolfdragox5563]

Leo did really proved why learning the MU matters, got his revenge against Steve getting 6-0 against Acola, the best Steve player

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

And Acola recently proved that this goes both ways lol.

[@partypoisin4470]

Why learn the matchup when you can complain about amirite

[@PomadaGaming]

Twitter is the definition of “why not complain”

[@mrmrpineapple6542]

I hope Steve isn’t banned because he’s usually pretty fun to watch and play

[@ghosthunter0950]

@@mrmrpineapple6542 ehhh depends on the player, acola is eye candy. but I've seen some degenerate steve gameplay as well. I hope it doesn't become the meta.

[@neevko267]

@@ghosthunter0950 we shouldn't ban characters because "they're unfun to watch", we should ban characters when anyone can make it to top 8 with them and I mean ANYONE, like, someone who straight up never went to a major tournament before in their life

[@lockevalentine997]

@@neevko267 COUGH COUGH ACOLA

[@AutisticJesusGaming]

Damn. Kinda hard to do when the counterplay that exist is about 3 characters

[@owenmurphy924]

based onin

[@BlackKnightsCommander]

Unironically all you have to do is learn a swordie with a longer sword, like Ike or Pythra. As long as you know how to jump that ruins Steve's side B and allows for you to punish better than cqc characters or other swordies while also not restricting you to playing at range and having to deal with blocks.

[@ZER0lPT]

I wish Ike could be compared to Aegis and Steve.

[@BlackKnightsCommander]

@@ZER0lPT I'm convinced he's got a winning matchup against Steve. I've only ever lost against 1 Steve player and I was using 1 joycon. And I go to locals.

[@oscarcapac1786]

@@ZER0lPT Ike has some bad matchups but Ike-Steve is a slight win for Ike. In general Steve doesn't like character who can outrange him, or with good corner pressure. This includes Cloud, Sephiroth, min min, Aegis, and some zoners like Hero

[@ZER0lPT]

@@oscarcapac1786 I don't see it. Ike is not fast enough.

[@oscarcapac1786]

@@ZER0lPT On the Ike main discord, the consensus is that it's a slight win or even. The reasoning is that Steve likes to corner himself to mine, which is dangerous against Ike

[@captainphoton1693]

I thought dabuz was an intelligent man.

[@Ethan-nl2wg]

He normally is, but I guess no one’s perfect

[@robertocastro3310]

Bro he also thinks that isabelle is worst than little mac

[@WhyDo]

I think this one take was silly but most of his takes are great imo, I love watching his stuff because he always explains his reasoning behind things very clearly. Even if it's something I really disagree with here, his 'ban Steve' vid is still a good watch to see where he's coming from. I just cherry picked the most outrageous line for the meme lool

[@captainphoton1693]

@@robertocastro3310 that's not the worst take. If you consider isabelle a worst villager, then why don't you play villager. While little Mac is it own character. (basicaly for counter pick secondary)

[@captainphoton1693]

@@WhyDo yeah. That was a joke too. I mean I play minmin and rosalina. Try to find a better guy to teach thoses character on KZbin. Even esam has really few videos on minmin.

[@mythmakroxymore1670]

Guys just one trick as Venusaur, i promise it will solve everything

[@DavionLane]

Thanks I think I would go 0-2 without Steve 🙏🏾

[@treedude4246]

I love you whydo

[@daringiconoclast6547]

Literally just don't get grabbed or up-tilted. It's hard, but the only way for him to deal damage at a distance is with minecart which leaves him vulnerable. Always look out for the minecart, and punish it. Oh yeah, also use a character with at least one non linear projectile.

[@impossiblehanley2732]

"Literally just don't get hit" I dont consider steve to be even top 5, and even I know this is a ridiculous thing to say

[@Whitewolf5248_]

We shouldn’t be having a discussion about banning Steve until 5-6 of a super major top 8 are Steves.

[@Sky_Firez]

What happened to the "Steve is offstage and grabs you while on a falling anvil and stage spikes you" video? Having a hard time finding the trick anywhere on the internet.

[@alathreon8315]

You could have added the drawning Onin does in his matches...

[@WhyDo]

0:32 :)

[@bredceo]

✍

[@chmooring]

hahaha hohoho I was the four hundred and twentieth person to like this video (context: the number four hundred twenty is often used in online spaces to refer to marijuana, so that's why it's funny, in case you didn't realize)

[@PomadaGaming]

5/10

[@chmooring]

@@PomadaGaming yeah that's fair

[@Jay-vl4le]

I’m a dk main and it’s atrocious fighting Steve, but that doesn’t mean we should completely alienate a huge portion of the player base. Adapt or Die it’s that simple.

[@PomadaGaming]

Depends on fun of everyone having to play steve but then again in this case I don’t think it reaches that point. After a bit more than one year no one said jack shit about steve till he won idk what tournament also Kazuya. That don’t make much sense to me unlike meta knight and Bayo that were unanimously accepted top 1 in 1 or 2 months.

[@YounesLayachi]

Use armour

[@lockevalentine997]

@@PomadaGaming The only reason no one said anything was because of a fucking pandemic and all offline tournaments were cancelled. Low and behold the moment they come back Steve starts winning a bunch of them, after also doing very well online.

[@NonRandomUser]

So you're saying Light beats Steve, then loses to Steve, just like what happened at the Gimvitational?

[@Johhom030]

Whydo people hate steve so much? They're just a funky dude(tte)

[@solaraloe]

unironically though literally just learn the matchup it worked for regalo

[@banditimaclubyou8388]

I’d always take a top players opinion over some random person but even then they can say some outlandish things. The clip with Dabuz saying Steve is better because he started winning faster than Bayonetta is kind of a ridiculous claim.

[@xanander4693]

Yeah and ever since his video, there has yet to be a steve to win a local or major.

[@FrostburnICS]

No…. It cant be!

[@Tonjit41]

Lose to Steve. Do it and cry.

[@Tonjit41]

I hate playing against Steve.

[@mr.shplorb662]

@@Tonjit41 Lose to Steve. Do it and cry. im sorry i had to

[@ByoKora775]

In Melee it was ban Jigglypuff cuz she was lame, in Brawl it was ban meta knight cuz too damn good and frame data, in smash for Nintendo Wii U and Nintendo 3DS it was ban Cloud for doubles and Bayonetta cuz stairway for heaven combos which could easily be SDI’d or her fair train to the blast zone which could be DI’d too and now Steve the I have combos and I can camp too, come at me boi, which was kind of like cloud in the Wii U days with limit that never ran out

[@Moss_Dude]

Why couldn't they ban Kazuya first T_T

[@rafaelblackman9879]

There is a Simple Solution to this problem.

[@terra2173]

You should learn the Lucas match up

[@jawbreakerx1490]

Kinda crazy when people say "Learn the Steve matchup" yet dont even know how to teach someone the matchup nor how to actually win it LOOOL

[@whiffunderscore703]

My idea is that Onin just sandbags to make it seem like Steve can be beaten, then only occasionally goes 10% mode and wrecks everyone. isn't even using his full power at smash con. He's that broken. Honestly that's definitely the answer with absolutely no argument against it. None. Go on try. But you won't. because you can't. I win bye bye.

[@th3pr0fil3]

Ever just complain and make fun of the words "learn the matchup" while not learning the matchup

[@Taktaagic]

I never got why folks wanted Steve banned. Maybe I'm just dumb lmao

[@elitobin]

Ermm Steve Minecraft funny which means we should ban him just like hero 🤓👍

[@LStar334]

Ah yes. Learn the match up. How simple

[@brightlotus_meow]

Just learn the matchup is an argument I have heard a lot

[@timg1454]

Talks about banning are stupid when most of the counterplay isn't even used yet.

[@enndymion]

😭

[@SadToffee]

this didn't age well

[@Xxblade17]

Lol

[@Riley-ye3gf]

Def not worse than bayo lol.

[@Mas-cm6cy]

just play PT

[@P_Bd]

Onin is the most carried pro player he wasn't even ranked when he was Pokemon trainer and Robin then he picks he the best character in the game and 3-0s Mk Leo

[@Kaheiyattsu221]

If you support steve being banned you shouldn't be competing because you are obviously terrible at the game and refuse to actually learn it. go play tic tac toe or something. Then again you'll probably think X is to OP and cry for it to be banned.

[@BurningNight314]

X is pretty OP though. X vs O is literally an unwinnable match up at the top level.

[@eddie992]

Yeah clearly you know nothing about tic tac toe

[@WhyDo]

X players are lowkey carried