How Our Off Grid Wood Stove Sauna Works

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

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[@Shofman]

As a finnish person I gotta say, that's a nice looking sauna. Very similar to the setup we have at our lakeside cabin. Always nice to see people from around the world enjoying the traditional style saunas :)

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Where I live there are many Finnish people. So many of the ideas for saunas come right from Finland. Thanks for the comment, KPO.

[@NiNa-cv8cp]

Nice oldtimey sauna 🥰. I have to build one at my late fathers cabin. He passed away and the sauna is still under construction, so have to finish it this upcoming summer. Great video! 🇫🇮🇺🇸👌

[@stovetopburner4196]

That has to feel so good after being outside fishing or working on a long day !

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

You betcha!

[@MagicCircusofSamoa]

Can't thank you enough....exactly what I was searching for!!! Have plenty of wood always....such a simple and incredibly effective way to create a steam room....love it.....alofa from Samoa.....Chief Tupa'i Bruno

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

You're very welcome!

[@dominicmancini1766]

Put lobster pot 1 long piece of copper pipe flange bother ends make cool out of the one piece fill with sand put fire use flares connect to hot water hoses one goes bottom of metal can height height 2feet ,,1 foot long,,6" wide other end goes in 2nd valve around the top.at the very top use the 3rd and final valve at top for vent In the metal can 50/50 Antifreez and water.make the copper pipe extra long you want that big fire is away from cabin.heat comes from ammo can

[@CurtisDrew1]

Been looking for practical DIY ideas on building a steam maker for a small sauna I want to build in my workout room. Fought athsma all my life and found that a hot steam room helped me keep my lungs clear. Now they are saying that the covid 19 virus dies in heat and or steam, so I am really motivated to get my small 4 person Sauna built. (I'm over 65 and healing from 2 broken legs. Ski Diving landing gone wrong!) Plus I like to finsh off a workout with a steamy relaxing heat soak. Thanks for posting up your build. Will do a simular only probably use propane.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Covid, just another great reason to sauna! Thanks for adding in, KPO.

[@TheAngryFinnishPerson]

Quite compact but definitely does the job. Nothing beats a good wood burning sauna.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

It's always the perfect end to a great day at camp, KPO.

[@MGoerdt2009]

I'm giving this a like before even watching the whole video, just because it's nice to hear someone saying sauna right. 😄

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

I try to keep it right. My Finnish friends remind me if I go estray.

[@jeffreyslater1656]

Great job, sauna at camp.. thats awesome.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

thanks

[@MoneyDad]

nice sowna setup!

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

I'm glad you like it

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

thanks

[@ProjectsandThings]

Thats a pretty industrial and robust sauna you made there. I also recently made a DIY wood burning sauna in my backyard and I absolutely love it. I documented the whole process for my channel. I like the double purpose sauna for steaming both yourself and getting big volumes of water hot at the same time.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes, we will use the hot water for dishes at camp. Thanks for adding in, KPO.

[@streetpunk99]

I've had a nice little wood stove sitting in the garage not knowing what to do with it for years. I think I found the use

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

do it

[@PP-ob8zr]

Just started watching your channel. Nice information and operation you have. Thank you 😊👍

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Welcome! Glad to have you along for the ride.

[@crossgrainwoodproductsltd9230]

You didn't look at the camera once. LOL everywhere else but at us. Love the sauna setup.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

I was looking straight AT the camera when I stated, "Hey, my eyes are up here". Where were your eyes at that point? LOL! All kidding aside, thanks for the feedback as I am always trying to get better at making videos. KPO

[@luiscarlosscb7612]

Yes , that's the video I was looking for. Great explanation.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Glad it was helpful!

[@iainmacdonald5907]

Exactly how a sauna should be, looks great!

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@jes5612]

Love it! Alot of great ideas for our tiny home. I would totally put the warm water into a pressured stainless steel tank with sprayer and shower that way.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Great idea! I'm glad this video helped, KPO.

[@Robmancan1987]

Do you think some half inch copper tubing that wrapped around the stove pipe like the worm on a moonshine still would work for a shower? Maybe a tank mounted on the wall, with a shower head and ball valve coming from the bottom of the tank? I'm guessing the distance from the flame might make the perfect temperature shower.

[@Relic67]

Fun video. Thank you.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@clintcowles7563]

Thank you very much for posting! A great explanation.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Glad it was helpful!

[@clintcowles7563]

That makes two of us! 😁

[@drewsteps]

Wherever this is, snow is everywhere... inside buckets and barrels everywhere.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Michigan's Upper Peninsula, KPO.

[@noconsentgiven]

"My eyes are up here", classic lol😂👍.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed that one, KPO.

[@txbob]

Hi KPO, about your stove, There are no exits for the water on the top? How long does it take for the water to completely steam away from one dippers worth....your size dipper? What about radiant heat from the stove? Built my sauna 28 years ago...14 x 8 1/2 feet... 5 x 8 1/2 changing room. I moved it once to another rental....a major pain..... bought property in 2011, but was allowed to keep at old rental thankfully.....but want to build one at My House now. Thinking of stoves. Mine is made from a 40 gallon hot water tank, flat plate on top to heat water in stainless tub, but I would consider a different style. I do at least one sauna (Monday nights) a week and hopefully 2 or 3 if my buddy calls me over to his about 1/4 mile away. It is my church and place I "pray" for those who have left us. When I get another built it will be 3 or 4 a week like it was when I lives where it is.. Love watching vids on Saunas and can tell yours would be sweet to sit in. Thanks and keep up the good work--Lopez Island, Wa---Texas Bob

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Thanks for the comment Texas Bob. The water on top is just in a big cooking pot. Just your basic warming on the top of a stove. I've never really paid attention to the steam away rate but I guess one dipper is done and the stove is dry in less than a minute. With a decent fire it takes about an hour to get the water scalding hot and the sauna room nice and warm during the fall season. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@KingCharles65]

“Hey, my eyes are up here” 😂😂😂 You got a thumbs up and a subscriber

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Glad you liked that and glad to have you aboard!

[@truecolorsbyvango8083]

Love it! mine is being built as I type.... but I’m in the need for a stove.... any suggestions as to where I may acquire one ? TIA

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Try mysaunaworld.com/collections/harvia-wood-burning-sauna-heaters?msclkid=934e9aff3ce2185a0b2cfaf3fd954aa0 thanks for watching, KPO.

[@urloony]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is how a true Finnish sauna works

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

It works, KPO.

[@ridgerider7402]

This is just brilliant. Got plenty of surplus wood here for a wash- up 👌

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

cool

[@malakajmalkhan66khan51]

Thanks sir for practical information. I'm glad to subscribe to your channel.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Thank you

[@aaronsnow2864]

How long could you make the pipes and them still circulate the water would you say. I’m looking to do something very similar but am curious if I put the holding tank in the air if it would still work

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

my guess would be several feet or more and the water would still heat up good

[@glenkilgore1524]

Great video!

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@altosmusiclab2248]

the water heater pipe may also cause boiling, which adds bubbles, and the bubbles RISE,.. the old coffee pots brewed using this principle - bubble pump.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

you bet

[@malakajmalkhan66khan51]

y'know it's a very nice video about burning wood heat sauna, But one thing which sir forgot to mention is the extent to which the temperature in this sauna room can go up. can the temperature rise to about 150 Fahrenheit

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes it can. But I mostly run it cooler than that.

[@gregburns6636]

How does the floor drain function in the winter and not freeze up? I want to build one of these saunas at my Georgian Bay, Ontario cottage. Thanks! Greg

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Drains into a drain field/tank. We just took a plastic 55 gal drum and buried it on the side of the sauna. We have the drain go to it. Many holes in the drum so the water will eventually drain back to the earth. Filled the drum with pieces of concrete block so it won't collapse over time. The drum is mostly below the frost line, so no issues. And also we don't use it very often in the winter, but when we do, no freezing problems.

[@campersnspokes4485]

Great stove. I'm looking at building a portable Sauna to pull out to the fishhouse. What are the overall dimensions of the building and the two rooms?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

If I remember right it's 8 by 12 total, with the changing room being 4 feet, KPO.

[@mordorfreeman7520]

Really greate job! Looks like Russian banya. Try to use a sauna broom, it’s an another level

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Just may do that!

[@dantroutman5980]

Hey, Dave - Nice video informative and full of practical tips on how a sauna works . . . By the way, how is your floor drain rigged? Into the sauna's own drain field, a municipal sewer system, or other method. Doesn't seem like much water would be going into the drain, but the water has to go somewhere . . . Thank you in advance for your reply, and keep up the good work!

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Water drains into a dry well (a barrel we buried in the ground with holes). Or like you said, it's own drain field.

[@dantroutman5980]

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Thank you, Dave! And good luck at deer hunting camp this year. May your buck pole be full!

[@lovejotsunny3479]

we also want build wood stove how i make it any video for help

[@JamesGodzwon]

Did you mortar your bricks around the stove? or are the bricks sitting in place? also what bricks are you using?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes mortared in place. They are construction block 4X8X16.

[@ernestcrosby7315]

Thanks for sharing! Awesome video great set up

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Thanks for watching!

[@jmalnar62]

Love your sauna design of your stove and layout. Are u guys Yoopers? Because it take a Yooper to recognize another, eh? Did ya Yooper engineer that or did you buy it like that?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes, central U.P. and we built it from scratch, KPO.

[@kranson8514]

Simple nice system 😉

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes, thanks

[@Dharmagoose]

What do you do for lighting in there

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Actually working on a video to explain all that. We have a couple of options.

[@tuckerray8988]

"Hey. My eyes are up here." Hahahaha

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Glad you liked it, KPO.

[@davidshaw8846]

Where the pipe goes out in the ceiling, how do you do the insulation and such up there? Even if it's double walled pipe, how much of a gap is there, or how does that work up there?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

It's been a while but I believe we have a 2 foot by 2 foot square with just metal around the pipe, no insulation. KPO

[@AuditorsUnited]

thanks...

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Welcome, KPO.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Welcome, KPO.

[@kylekarwowski2642]

Hey, I live over in Harvey. I might build a little sauna in my garage during this corona lockdown and then pour the pad for it once the snow melts and set her in place. Do you know a good place to get cedar for a reasonable price here in the central UP? I am a big fan of the show, great content. Thanks.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

I believe there is a mill in Northland or Arnold (south of Gwinn) that does cedar, but I don't remember the name, sorry. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@juledoren]

Glad you know how to say sauna, most people say saw-na

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

The Finns will always correct me, so I'm learning to get it right.

[@DOGFOODACTUAL8541]

Exactly the video I was looking for to convert an old flat top wood stove of mine into a sauna. Thank you.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

You are welcome. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@jaygee2187]

In the process of building my own; your vid helped in building a wood stove with water tank - thanks. From scratch takes time; mixed cement on weekends this spring, (gravel, French drain, etc.) sourced rough cut 2x4’s and shiplap cedar locally (3 months till delivery) and just took two weeks off to build. Did you line with foil? I cheaped out and used tinfoil with high heat tape in sauna room only. Still have to finish the floor, build a stove, hang doors, wire in lights. Was thinking of clay/sand mix coated with linseed oil for floor....thoughts?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

No foil and we just used plain old cement for the floor. I think it's been up for over 15 years now. Check out the up-grade to the stove we did in this video, kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWmnhneQp7yZbKs You might find it interesting. Especially if you're building a stove. KPO.

[@anastasiawhite7482]

Hey Great sauna. Did you insulate the sauna ? Or just used cedar wood?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Insulation behind the cedar

[@bw6078]

Just wondering how long it takes to heat the sauna up to operating temp?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Well it can vary because of outside temps or how aggressive you want to be with working on it. We usually get the fire going and then put a few bigger pieces of maple in and let it do it's thing. That might be 1 - 2 hours to get it hot in the fall time of the year. But if you want to keep putting smaller pieces of maple in, it can go faster.

[@masonmartinez782]

Very cool

[@Gckirbydtx]

About how hot will that stove get the space? About what cubic footage? Great video btw. Thanks.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

I don't really pay attention to the actual temp, but like most wood saunas, if you let the stove go full heat it can get too hot to even be inside. I believe the sauna room itself is 8 X 10, changing room 4 X 8, all with ceilings at 71/2 or 8 (can't remember for sure). Insulated 2 X 4 stud walls. Thanks for the interest, KPO.

[@Gckirbydtx]

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors thanks for the reply. My father’s sauna gets up to about 240F. That’s too hot for me but I’d like it to be capable of about 220F even though I like it around 180F.

[@johnnycashh7148]

Thanks for sharing! Great vid.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

You are welcome, KPO.

[@michellegeorgettebeerli269]

Hi KPO, thank you so much for this video. I have been searching like crazy on the internet for some more information about your design but I havent seen a replication/copy of it yet. Do you mind if I ask you some questions about it? 1) Did you receive the stove with the interior pipe (the back boiler) already installed or did you weld one in yourself? 2) What is the diameter of the two exiting pipes which circulate the hot/cold water? 3) How many gallons is the steel metal drum you have holding the heated water to the right of the stove? Thank you for the input! Michelle

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Thanks for the interest Michelle. We got the stove used and it had the interior pipe already. Ideally there would be more pipe on the inside of the stove but ours just had a small piece (takes longer to warm up). i think the pipes are about 1 or 11/4 inch diameter. The tank is actually an old beer keg, I think 5 gallon. I hope this helps. Some sauna stoves have a tank built right into the side of the stove. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@pekkakuosmanen65]

Your Sauna is ok. Higher bench or seating level, ylälaude in Finnish, suppose to be circa two feet higher.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

You're right, it's not the deluxe model LOL. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@dominicmancini1766]

Were are the hoses hooked up too.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Pipe nipples that stick out the side of the stove and attach to a pipe inside the stove and on the tank side they just attach to nipples on the side of the tank, KPO.

[@GodiscomingBhappy]

amazing. thx for sharing

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

My pleasure, KPO.

[@daleval2182]

Breathing hot plastic in a sauna from barrel, I'd find a metal drum or aluminum keg, just my observation, I need get a sauna built

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

I never thought about it, but the water in the blue barrel is always cold so I don't think the barrel really gets hot at all. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@JoshSaas]

Thanks for sharing

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

You are welcome, KPO.

[@tuckerray8988]

Sweet video!

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Thanks Tucker, KPO.

[@alexrivera-alwayslearning2396]

Hi, did you use pine for the inside walls?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

It's cedar, but my sauna at home is pine. Cedar is better but it's more pricey. KPO

[@gemwebb]

I think putting wood in a stove from outside of hut would be better vs smoke from stove causing respiratory issues.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes I've seen sauna stoves like that. But if you have a good draft it's not really an issue, KPO.

[@clintcowles7563]

And may Abba Father continue to bless you as well!

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Thank you, KPO.

[@HColorist]

Real good!!

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Thanks, KPO.

[@petetheweed7428]

What did you do for drainage, french drain?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Into a barrel with crushed brick so it won't collapse. KPO

[@parsoniareigns]

'My eyes are up here'. Hahaha

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Glad you liked it, KPO.

[@danowil227]

I was looking for a vid about putting line on a spinning reel and your vid from 2 years ago came up. First of all, thank you, it's what I was looking for. Second, I love subscribing to local KZbinrs and you sound local. Are you in the UP or Wisconsin?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Dan, you have a good ear. I'm located in the central U.P. Glad to hear my vid helped you out and thanks so much for the sub, KPO.

[@Aprikuusi2003]

finally. someone who says sauna and not saawna

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes, I live among many people of Finnish decent here in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Recently I have meet several people that live in Finland and I think I pronounce it like they do. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@Aprikuusi2003]

i can finnish aprove ur sauna. You say it like any finnish guy :)

[@uluengamotuliki5469]

When did they discover moon john

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

?

[@bcdwalleye6242]

Not the perfect sauna stove but the perfect free sauna stove.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Free = Good, KPO.

[@kennethwebb4693]

I need steam room right now

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

they are nice

[@livefreeallways]

NIce!! Lot's of benefits.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Definitely! Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@Blueisdeath1]

Is that a regular stove or a sauna stove?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Well it has a raised top edge to hold the rocks and it has the water pipe inside the stove so it was built for use in a sauna. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@Knotrockets]

Did not need to see that😖. Lol. Cool set up

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Steel Salad, I wanted to give you guys the full effect! LOL! Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@Superflow25]

how long does it take to get the temperature up to 160F or so?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Depends on the outside temperature. Most fall days it takes about an hour for the water and air to be hot enough. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@sladenorthernil]

Oh damn, have I been saying "sauna" wrong my whole life?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

That's how all the Finlanders by where I live say it. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@brigsmith949]

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors as a finlander I appreciate this lol it's weird how people saying it wrongs bugs me

[@kaihan2002]

Sauuoona

[@Js.the.believer]

Circulation via thermo syphon

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes, that sounds better.

[@jstew4js]

so cool

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

They are, thanks for watching, KPO.

[@jakeweston8616]

This is exactly what I want to build. (Are we (French) Canadian?)

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

UP of Michigan, KPO.

[@WAYT00Much]

Finnish

[@puryeareaker7975]

I started with Stodoys plans.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

I don't know what that is, but if it's about making a sauna, I'm all for it, KPO.

[@puryeareaker7975]

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors 👍

[@TheoSmith249]

You’re looking for the term called ‘thermosiphon’

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

That does seem like the perfect word for this. Thanks for that, KPO.

[@dav1099]

Wow that's slick, I bet it is so nice after freezing yur ass off all day in the blind. Looking forward to some fishing videos (crappie) soon. 👍 Thanks for posting

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes, something about wood heat and steam after being out in the cold is very enjoyable. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@holoholopainen1627]

In Finland - We have two million saunas ! The thing I missed was - under the fire - the burning needs oxygen - so the firewood are placed on a ( plate with holes ) - so the ashes - run under - into a box - that has an outside handle ! You open / shut this - to give more or less oxygen ! Easy to get the ashes away - too ! Have Fun - I am Off to My sauna now !

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Holo, yes many of the sauna stoves we have here are like that too. Many of the just plain wood stoves are like that too. The area I live at has a large number of Finnish decedents, so we have a lot of saunas where I live also. Thanks for adding in, KPO.

[@holoholopainen1627]

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors I was just looking " sauna " on KZbin ! Many People Never understood the purpose & meaning of sauna ! When You have SNOW - They kind of Get it ! Many has filmed their 1st sauna experience here by the lake or sea ! It is like Their 1st Reideer ride or meeting with the Huskies ! Keep Up The Good Work ! Are You where ?

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

I'm in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, United States. We get a lot of snow. Like I said earlier we have a large number of Finnish people that live here too. Locally we even have a Finnish store. It's called "Touch Of Finland". The store carries sauna supplies, but it also carries Finnish food items too. Many people in this area have the last name "Koski" or "Maki" and many last names end with "ainen" like yours. I'm not Finnish, but that's how I got turned on to the sauna experience, KPO.

[@parkerfairfield201]

Would love a few links to Finnish sauna (wood) stoves - whether it's KZbin or not! I'm going to be building an outdoor sauna and will use wood to heat it - I'm in Maine. Thanks for any help!

[@holoholopainen1627]

@@parkerfairfield201 The thing is that - No too many build the STOVE ITSELF - but the Walls ! We have some Companies ( The Coca Cola of Sauna ) - that try to keep IT - as a secret ! But actually that stove - is guite easy ! You need steel - that can the the heat - thik enough ! So thet the fire wont - burn thru it ! Ventilation under the fire / into a box - where you may gather the ashes easy ! To pull & push - the same box you give oxygen to the - under - the fire ! You must remember the ventilation - because of the moisture ! Sauna heat will dry the sauna !

[@lifefordummies]

1:30

[@kaihan2002]

Sauoona

[@Aprikuusi2003]

@@kaihan2002 thats how you say it. its sauna not saawna like normally americans say it

[@kaihan2002]

Sauuooonna

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Yes, KPO.

[@Aprikuusi2003]

yes sauna. not saawna

[@yurakovalec7292]

I heard very good opinions about the Woodglut plans.

[@Васясилуянов]

Лайк , мужик старался но как-то не по русски . Пара нет , температуры не чувствуется , вениками на пахнет . Душевая короче .

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Sisu and Rapala! That's the only Finnish I know. This is Finnish right? Anyways thanks for watching, KPO.

[@lifefordummies]

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Russian

[@dominicmancini1766]

Vauge

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Basically the water in the tank can free flow through the pipe inside the stove, KPO.

[@marinetrooperlawyer]

I tuned in to see your sauna. Not interested in your cooking and ice fishing video.

[@KnettersPracticalOutdoors]

Well, that's why I try to have a little something for everyone. Thanks for watching, KPO.

[@brianclark4873]

As a vegetarian and animal lover would have preferred not seeing the start of this video ,