How People Misuse NBA Stats (Especially Field Goal Percentage) - Barbershop talk (Episode 23)

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@hugovazquez7533
@hugovazquez7533 6 жыл бұрын
Deandre Jordan best scorer ever. FG% don't lie
@gorandragic1728
@gorandragic1728 6 жыл бұрын
People really be like this sometimes. People use Aytons fg percentage against Luka even though most of Aytons shot are easy as fuck.
@tyreefreeeman586
@tyreefreeeman586 6 жыл бұрын
Facts
@dr.nooshtopherballsackphd2930
@dr.nooshtopherballsackphd2930 6 жыл бұрын
Dion Waiters the difference is is that deandre also has a higher ts%
@gorandragic1728
@gorandragic1728 6 жыл бұрын
@@dr.nooshtopherballsackphd2930 True shooting doesn't take volume or degree of difficulty into account. Player A only catches and shoots, but does so at 60% true shooting. He's a complementary scorer. Player B actually creates his own shots as a first option, and his total TS% is 55%. However, he shot at a 63% TS% on pure catch-and-shoots if you isolate just that shot type. Player B is not only a better scorer, but probably a better pure shooter as well. He just has the added burden of having to create his own shot and take more difficult shots. As a result, you get nephews saying that Otto Porter is actually a better scorer than DeMar DeRozan because Porter had a TS% of 60.2% and DeRozan's TS% was only 55.5%. Ayton takes considerably easier shots than Luka, and never takes threes. It is simple. The leauge leaders in True Shooting Percentage are usually either big men who play like Ayton or gaurds who shoots an amazing percent from 3, like Curry (49 percent) Joe Harris (48) or Davis Bertans (49 percent). So basically, if you shoot a lot of threes (which doncic does) you are most likely not going to have an amazing true shooting percentage unless you are one of the leauge leaders in 3 point percentage
@dl5394
@dl5394 6 жыл бұрын
@@gorandragic1728 well it should be easy he is a center
@jamesburgess2k
@jamesburgess2k 6 жыл бұрын
Kevon Looney has similar plus minus as Luka Doncic, Steven Adams, Devin Booker and Donovan Mitchell. If you understand why this is the case, it should be enough to give context to show you that plus minus definitely doesn't tell the entire story when comparing players.
@jdlogan48
@jdlogan48 6 жыл бұрын
*Kevon* Looney
@NaiKzOfficial
@NaiKzOfficial 6 жыл бұрын
The GOAT from Milwaukee
@BigPurp9
@BigPurp9 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve only been watching the nba for 3 years and I’m still fucking baffled with how many random stats there are
@matija9540
@matija9540 6 жыл бұрын
And Looney also leads NBA in ORTG but that doesn’t mean he’s the best offensive player in the league. Hell, he probably isn’t even top 100.
@superstar_h_gamer5211
@superstar_h_gamer5211 6 жыл бұрын
Yup going by efg luka is on 52 percent i believe and hell the kid is literally carrying us if he plays bad we have no chance to win that kinda impact doesn't show up in the fg percentage
@connerhart391
@connerhart391 6 жыл бұрын
Does Athletic cases have a picture of Steph Curry with a 40 inch vertical on it, cause I'd cop that
@kenechi9083
@kenechi9083 6 жыл бұрын
Conner Hart lonzo
@JackoVX
@JackoVX 6 жыл бұрын
Dom should ask AC for Hedo case if you want 40 inch vert Steph.
@itsmike5757
@itsmike5757 6 жыл бұрын
It's the LeBron generation they have been using FG% as a primary argument against players for years Just like the Jordan Generation uses rings
@emkast8257
@emkast8257 6 жыл бұрын
well efg% is a good way to measure and lebron is great on that end as well... jordan was great on field goal percentage as well btw
@mypenisisincrediblytinybut6448
@mypenisisincrediblytinybut6448 6 жыл бұрын
Lmao would you rather have a great fg percentage or 6 rings
@jamesburgess2k
@jamesburgess2k 6 жыл бұрын
I got a feeling triple doubles (or volume stats) are gonna be the next generation's thing.
@emkast8257
@emkast8257 6 жыл бұрын
@@mypenisisincrediblytinybut6448 i just said jordan has a great field goal percentage lol
@unbiasvsbias3955
@unbiasvsbias3955 6 жыл бұрын
@@mypenisisincrediblytinybut6448 lmao that name tho.....
@danteakechi7330
@danteakechi7330 6 жыл бұрын
Omg dom is the goat of smooth advertising.
@facelessandnameless
@facelessandnameless 6 жыл бұрын
Toxic for real! Hahaha
@DonkeyKong5479
@DonkeyKong5479 6 жыл бұрын
BBallbreakdown up there too lol
@gmdwill
@gmdwill 4 жыл бұрын
Andrew Blackop Bballbreakdown is the actual goat
@TheBest-gf8qo
@TheBest-gf8qo 6 жыл бұрын
FG% is not even a good stat for efficiency, it doesn't take into account that 3s get you more points per shots than 2s. Like if you only looked at FG% you'd think Andre Drummond is more efficient than Steph, which is just not true
@thegeno424
@thegeno424 6 жыл бұрын
You can't necessarily say that, they both play the to most distinct roles from each other on the court. Drummond is asked to finish at the rim and clean up misses with put backs; Steph is a shooter and is asked to space the floor. The both are efficient, but efficient for the roles they play.
@TheBest-gf8qo
@TheBest-gf8qo 6 жыл бұрын
@@thegeno424 For a roll man and rim runner Drummond is not efficient at all. 50% is very good for a guard, it's pretty good for a wing, but for a big that only shoots in the paint it's bad. Couple that with his bad FT% and Drummond is not efficient at all for his role.
@100ovrbatmanbron7
@100ovrbatmanbron7 6 жыл бұрын
look at eFG% then lmao. that solves your problem.
@marchabchy9125
@marchabchy9125 6 жыл бұрын
50% not bad for a center it's average and if he is attempting a lot it's good but not great
@TheBest-gf8qo
@TheBest-gf8qo 6 жыл бұрын
@@marchabchy9125 Nah if you look at the shots he takes it's really not that good. For comparison's sake a guy like Capela shoots like 65% from the field. DeAndre Jordan often shot damn near 70%. Andre's shots are easy baskets around the rim set up by someone else, he should be making them at a higher rate. Some of them are low post touches, but he's not a guy that'll post up like LMA or Embiid. He's very clearly a rim runner. Combine that with his free throw shooting and he's not that efficient.
@Flyerman777
@Flyerman777 6 жыл бұрын
This is why I love you Dom. Kobe shot 44% and scored 60 points at age 37 while coming back on literally his last leg. Okay he shot 50 times, but his team needed him that night. Thanks Dom
@KOCChristian
@KOCChristian 6 жыл бұрын
PJ Tucker> James Harden Never forget this this statement for a man whole deserve the death penalty
@archiesanders6156
@archiesanders6156 6 жыл бұрын
Giannis at the top of all the shooting percentage types lmao. He’s so unfair 🤣
@MM-fw3wr
@MM-fw3wr 6 жыл бұрын
Archie Sanders Man doesn’t even shoot he gets layups with ease he’s a beast😂
@CWZimba
@CWZimba 6 жыл бұрын
@@MM-fw3wr I think you mean dunks.. He posterizes everybody
@iranlassninja7062
@iranlassninja7062 6 жыл бұрын
@@MM-fw3wr he's out over dunking and euro stepping over people No wonder
@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET
@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET 6 жыл бұрын
not 3 pointer tho lmao he is 11 percent but still a beast
@michaelmarrs1867
@michaelmarrs1867 6 жыл бұрын
hakeem olajuwon BEST ROCKET I was scared you would say he’s bad for a second
@nathaniellevesque2782
@nathaniellevesque2782 6 жыл бұрын
When a guy has a low field goal percentage, but is still credited for helping the team win, I immediately start looking for what else they did during the game. I look at their rebounding, passing, and defense. I also look at the point spread by quarter to see where they did most of their damage, 4th quarter in particular. If they fit the criteria of shooting poorly, but filled in at another capacity, then I see that they did their part to help the team win. If they shot poorly and they didn't do much in other areas such as passing, rebounding, defense or 4th quarter scoring, then I get the impression that someone else did the heavy lifting to help the team win.
@thegeno424
@thegeno424 6 жыл бұрын
I like your criteria, much more balanced and fair to the game.
@custerkilla3342
@custerkilla3342 6 жыл бұрын
you just described JH
@MrUlee
@MrUlee 6 жыл бұрын
This is because players like LeBron Giannis and Curry have spoiled semi-casual fans with efficiency and it’s gotten to the point that context between position, usage rate, shot selection, etc. has gone out the window.
@yikipla
@yikipla 6 жыл бұрын
If you shoot your team out of the game early i dont think being clutch matters. If your teams is losing because you shot 3 for 19 going 2 for 2 in the clutch doesnt make you good
@libraalibaba
@libraalibaba 4 жыл бұрын
What if they were good shots, what if you played good defense and your opponent doesn't score.
@mauricejohnson1068
@mauricejohnson1068 6 жыл бұрын
Stats tell you what . They don’t tell you why. People quick to say harden only shoots 42%. True, he misses shots . But they don’t tell you why , harden is in a system where all 5 defenders know what’s gonna happen (isolation), and they all focused on him. 34 PTS 42% fg where everybody is focused on you is amazing
@kaywill9677
@kaywill9677 6 жыл бұрын
No, Harden has poor shot selection and plays for fouls.
@bobjake8632
@bobjake8632 6 жыл бұрын
Fg% is overrated. True shooting percentage is much more accurate. If player A took twelve shots but all threes and made 4 his fg 33%(4/12). If player B took twelve 12 shots but all 2s and made 6 his fg is 50% but they both scored 12. Therefore 33% from 3 = 50% from 2 and 40% from 3 = 60% from 2 and so on. Now also think about this if a good free throw shooter is fouled it is as good as a fg but it doesn't contribute to fg%. True shooting percentage puts all this math together to give a more accurate picture. Looking at the past few seasons Steph and KD have been among the top 10 in ts% in the league above many centers. James har_en was 18th in the NBA in ts% last season. In fact JH was more efficient than an Anthony Davis and Gianis last season.
@Kingstyles05
@Kingstyles05 6 жыл бұрын
I don't like ts%. I feel that it ways threes and free-throws a little to heavy. Especially when the league still leaves players open to shoot threes because someone penetrates to the paint. Also because all foul calls are subjective to the referee. You have to put on a show to get calls these days and bugs get pushed around often with no calls now. If it gets adjusted I'm with it.
@mikejones1572
@mikejones1572 6 жыл бұрын
Fg% also doesn’t take into account shot difficulty. Some players just stand in the corner to space out the floor. It also doesn’t take into account shot creativity. You aren’t always going to have good looks, being able to create a shot when there may not be one is a valuable skill that creates a tougher/less efficient shot, but at times it’s necessary
@emkast8257
@emkast8257 6 жыл бұрын
field goal percentage doesn't factor in, is if the defense is being honest or not. that alone is an asset... golden state is a great team to judge by that. team has to be honest on defense when defending them (except draymond lol) which can help for offensive rebounds and cuts and a bunch of other shit they can do to help their defense.
@bucketsmcgee1208
@bucketsmcgee1208 6 жыл бұрын
FG% Twitter needs to go
@N8veJay
@N8veJay 6 жыл бұрын
Buckets McGee nah, it needs to be used correctly in context... or rather eFG% needs to be more common since 3 pointers are worth more then 2 pointers helping out balance a big man’s & little man’s %’s... since big man take the inside paint shots & little man are everywhere or more outside mid to 3 pt shots
@Hidden_Seeker_
@Hidden_Seeker_ 6 жыл бұрын
@@N8veJay TS% is better because it factors in free throws. It's better but still bad to use by itself. Stat obsessed fans suck
@gn7858
@gn7858 6 жыл бұрын
@@Hidden_Seeker_ Nah it's good Voltaire cause it shows that Curry and KD are more efficient than LeBron, Jordan, Kobe and more you wouldn't think they aren't as efficient It's bad if you have a situation were someone like harden is shooting 8-25 but goes 11-11 from the FT making his TS somewhere between 54-56%(League average 55 point something) and you can switch to EFG if that's the case
@Hidden_Seeker_
@Hidden_Seeker_ 6 жыл бұрын
@@gn7858 It's a more complete stat though. Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron drive a lot and thus draw a lot of fouls. If the D didn't foul, those shots would likely have been buckets. So counting free throws is a good way to get a more nuanced picture
@absolutenonfactoronthecourt
@absolutenonfactoronthecourt 5 жыл бұрын
No it’s funny
@garythesnail4246
@garythesnail4246 6 жыл бұрын
4:02 yes dom2k please do a video on the whole +/- stat and why it can be misleading. Idk much about that stat and I kinda wanna know more about it. At the same time I hate researching so you’re clutch for this lmao
@AdamEllis33
@AdamEllis33 6 жыл бұрын
Stats don't always tell the whole story. That's why it's important to watch legends like Kobe, MJ, Bird, etc. play. Truly great players can impact the game outside of purely box score stats. Especially shooting %.
@soulmustdie3631
@soulmustdie3631 6 жыл бұрын
Bro.... that intro... I feel nostalgia every time I watch these Barbershop Talks. It reminds me of Smoove’s old 2K vids. I remember one in particular with GTA IV gameplay where the world was in chaos because his shoes, the “Smoove Moves” were sold out everywhere. Man, I miss 2011 - 2013 KZbin.
@nathaniellevesque2782
@nathaniellevesque2782 6 жыл бұрын
Field goal percentage varies by the position you play. One thing I noticed is that Field Goal percentage twitter loves to go after shooting guards. Shooting guards are likely to shoot a lot and the shots are most likely taken further away from the basket. Hence why the best shooting guards have field goal percentages in the low to mid-40's. Big men typically take less shots than guards. Also the shots are more likely to be taken at or near the basket. Hence why big men are expected to have field goal percentages in the 50's.
@xiamfinal571
@xiamfinal571 6 жыл бұрын
I really love you for this video dom. No shit. Im really glad rn. Finally someone says what i‘ve been thinking the whole time. Especially the kobe part
@GoatProductions
@GoatProductions 6 жыл бұрын
Ur basketball knowledge is unbelievable Keep exposing these fools
@coolkidbradude7745
@coolkidbradude7745 6 жыл бұрын
Dom2k is what helps me sound smart when talking about basketball
@calebk8518
@calebk8518 6 жыл бұрын
im loving the grind you've been on lately with the second channel Dom
@OlLeeroy
@OlLeeroy 6 жыл бұрын
Dom been dropping some heat this early 2019. Keep up the good work my boy!
@WadeWalker22
@WadeWalker22 6 жыл бұрын
Stats don’t tell the whole story
@aizenzae4510
@aizenzae4510 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@libraalibaba
@libraalibaba 4 жыл бұрын
It also doesn't account for how teams got blown out if you're only looking at an individual.
@NeverwascooL
@NeverwascooL 6 жыл бұрын
Crazy how 1 dude on KZbin has taught me more about football than professionals on tv
@VxNJremix
@VxNJremix 6 жыл бұрын
Let’s be real tho. If lebron shot as bad as Kobe did in nba finals game 7 vs warriors or spurs and still had a tripple double all people would talk about is lebron chocking and getting saved by Kyrie/Wade cuz lebron wouldn’t keep shooting if he has off night to not shoot his team out of the ball game but rather facilitate defend and get rebounds.
@travisfaine1415
@travisfaine1415 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know what changed but during this period of the NBA, stats are way more important than winning.
@pinkpanos
@pinkpanos 6 жыл бұрын
Access to stats by anyone everywhere
@NeverwascooL
@NeverwascooL 6 жыл бұрын
Probably around 2017 when it felt like it was gonna be warriors Cavs in the finals casual fans moved to stays over wins cause they were salty
@qwikscopez6619
@qwikscopez6619 6 жыл бұрын
Because a win in of itself tells you nothing about how a player contributed
@facelessandnameless
@facelessandnameless 6 жыл бұрын
Travis Faine Yup. It’s sad... to me, winning is all that matters.
@Ryan-yu5kt
@Ryan-yu5kt 6 жыл бұрын
Winning is meaningless right now because the warriors have 5 allstars. You have people saying Harden and Lebron suck because they arent winning championships right now eventhough they have great stats.. What the fuck are they supposed to do? They are competing against the best team of all time.
@ddrocketstown4893
@ddrocketstown4893 6 жыл бұрын
Curry only shot 40% fg in the 2018 finals but averaged 27 pts but no one would say he wasn't effective
@gn7858
@gn7858 6 жыл бұрын
ddrockets town Cause he was still efficient if you use TS(True Shooting) which accounts for 2s, 3s and FTS and EFG(Effective Field Goal Percentage) which counts a 3 1.5x more than a 2. FG is a garbage stat because who would actually think in their mind Bigs like Capella, Drummond, Adams, Jordan, Gobert and etc are more efficient than perimeter players like Harden, KD, Curry, Kyrie, Dame, Bron and etc. There FG% is so high cause they take so many inside shots, which are mainly open or lightly contested and doesn't value fts, 3s or values a 3 over a 2. That's why people like us on Twitter with a brain stop using FG % a while back and started using TS and EFG
@DrBacalex
@DrBacalex 6 жыл бұрын
This has to be Dom’s best series. Too good!
@senjougaharasimp
@senjougaharasimp 6 жыл бұрын
I loved the transition from fg% to phone cases
@mpscuzzi123
@mpscuzzi123 6 жыл бұрын
I hate field goal percentage also it’s like people say 26pts on 21 shots for Mitchell but who else is supposed to be taking those shots Jae crowder? Do people not understand that stars take the shots because they are the best on their team. People love using numbers to look smart but end up sounding stupid
@tingispingis
@tingispingis 6 жыл бұрын
Using FG% as the only thing in an argument is dumb enough but using the number of shots taken instead of the actual percentage is even dumber
@qwikscopez6619
@qwikscopez6619 6 жыл бұрын
The jazz don't see any improvement with Mitchell on the floor so yeah he should shoot less but create more
@rdtworld9720
@rdtworld9720 6 жыл бұрын
ORTG and usage. Statistically, you don't need anything else on offense except those two. (I wrote this on your Harden vid about how Harden is actually having one of the best all time seasons on offense).
@EddiePReacts
@EddiePReacts 6 жыл бұрын
Yo i love this series bruh. I dont think ive missed an episode in a minute
@nbabackcourtmedia
@nbabackcourtmedia 6 жыл бұрын
Field Goal Percentage Twitter should be on your merch
@victorm.6760
@victorm.6760 6 жыл бұрын
I liked that transition into your sponsor. Was clean bruh
@kylemengbrown
@kylemengbrown 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly why Wiggins is underrated. Everyone looks at his fg percentage and don't realize that he takes tough shots and is one of the premier scorers in the league when rested.(This played him almost 38 min a game in close games)
@Shawn.Mathew
@Shawn.Mathew 6 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Atienza yup, he is a poor mans lebron a really good athlete who sucks at playing basketball who has not gotten better, he should have been an all star level at least by now
@jakehalty2341
@jakehalty2341 6 жыл бұрын
Dom I love ur videos , ur red borders especially the one on the bottom always makes me think the vid is over and I’m like damn nooo vid is over already lol great vid
@Kingstyles05
@Kingstyles05 6 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you on most of this. I don't like true shooting percentage though. You already have individual stats for that. I also believe that they weigh threes and free-throws too high. The rest I completely agree with.
@JoeBro915
@JoeBro915 6 жыл бұрын
People that pay this much attention to efficiency are the same ppl who expect harden to be 50-40-90 after watching him do it in 2k MyLeague
@ichigo8000
@ichigo8000 5 жыл бұрын
People forget to take into account not just watching the games along w/ the stats. Also the position the player(s) in discussion plays, whether he is a Shooting guard or a center because position decides more of the types of shots they will take like for exp: a Center will more likely take shots closer to the rim vs a guard who would take perimeter shots/midrange/and the occasional drive here and there all the way to the cup. If you gonna compare FG% you should be comparing more to other players at the same position who take similar # of shots to get a more accurate pic of their impact. A Shooting guards % to a Centers % isn’t as fair a comparison b/c the center will most likely have a higher fg% due to being taller/bigger and taking easier shots closer to the rim. The analytics say shooting around 33% from 3 is around as effective as 50% from midrange. That’s another factor to take into account as well as what else they did outside of scoring.
@Gbformula9
@Gbformula9 6 жыл бұрын
Dom stay coming with these smooth ad transitions
@qwikscopez6619
@qwikscopez6619 6 жыл бұрын
True Shooting % compared to league average is the best one imo, ts% is more scoring efficiency and Efg% tells you more about "shooting" ability , also volume should be a factor aswell
@giantl9196
@giantl9196 6 жыл бұрын
a Stat I like to use when determining how well a player is playing is ppg per 100 possessions
@kaseyburlingham2861
@kaseyburlingham2861 6 жыл бұрын
Off the ball screens, cutting, spacing, defence, blocking out not on any stats sheet. A player could not touch the ball all game and have a huge impact!
@arminarlert23
@arminarlert23 6 жыл бұрын
The intro to this channel is dope
@OkinOlet
@OkinOlet 6 жыл бұрын
It is also important to look at how the points are generated. Iso and post-up plays are lower percentage plays, compared to open layups. Averiging 45%, when points come mostly from isos and high post-ups, is remarkable. If you want to compare players based on FG%, you should take players with similar distribution of plays, otherwise this statistic tells us nothing.
@PathBeyondTheDark
@PathBeyondTheDark 6 жыл бұрын
I did watch the 2011 finals, and while I'd still give it to Dirk for his game's 2-4 performances, Terry iced game 5 with a long 3 pointer and a dude in his face as well as playing the best on the team in game 6 when Dirk was feeling the anxiety of the moment. It isn't a laughable suggestion, even if wrong.
@macklinflaherty6588
@macklinflaherty6588 6 жыл бұрын
Virtual reality twitter's not gonna be a joke, you all are gonna get COOKED.
@killkillkill123456
@killkillkill123456 6 жыл бұрын
That's part had me dead. He sounded so serious too.😂😂💀💀💀
@macklinflaherty6588
@macklinflaherty6588 6 жыл бұрын
@@killkillkill123456 Dude I lost my shit for like five minutes.
@killkillkill123456
@killkillkill123456 6 жыл бұрын
Man, me too. That part was on replay for a good 2 mins. Honestly, it's a possibility for virtual Twitter to actually happen.😂😂
@tmmobiletab
@tmmobiletab 6 жыл бұрын
*LeDom James...……..* Okay, Let me see myself out
@lockett8014
@lockett8014 6 жыл бұрын
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@dutchpackdior2178
@dutchpackdior2178 6 жыл бұрын
Love the barbershop episodes dom 💯
@brettfeggestad6352
@brettfeggestad6352 6 жыл бұрын
That was a nice transition into the phone cases
@solomongrundy1616
@solomongrundy1616 6 жыл бұрын
Dom the goat with another great video 👌🏻🤙🏻
@biasedconfirmations
@biasedconfirmations 6 жыл бұрын
This is how it always goes, anytime people use stats, it's literally cherry-picking. People will either use a stat to make certain people look better or worse. Same people who will complain about some stats being used against whoever (or whatever type of player) will turn around and take other stats out of context to try to push whatever agenda they want. Why are we comparing shooting splits of big men and point guards? Why are we looking at raw data without context? People are trying to use stats to replace the most important part of basbetball. Watching the game. The eye test. Unfortunately nobody can watch every game of every team nor can they apply the circumstances around each game. That's why it's important to use stats to supplement watching the game along with knowing the context. Not only are we pretending like everybody plays the same position but we act like players dont have different roles or do different things depending on their team need/health/availability. It's great that we have advanced metrics, but it will not stop people from using those stats to oush whatever narrative they want. We all value and overlook different aspectd of the game. Some people only care about scoring, while others put a big emphasis on defense or passing. I can understand why one of those "field goal twitter" types would take Lebron, Steph, KD, AD, or Giannis over Harden. I can also understand why people who loved kobe bryant would think Harden is the 2nd coming. What I won't do is act like a subjective look at certain stats is objective. There is no way stats will give you the conditions and background needed to make definitive statements, it's just a piece of thr puzzle.
@isaiahbright7546
@isaiahbright7546 6 жыл бұрын
True shooting percentage is the best stat IMO takes into account much more than FG% that being said FG% can still be useful though.
@Bluewildangel
@Bluewildangel 6 жыл бұрын
dom always knows how to speak facts thank you bro like rs
@JohnnyMidey
@JohnnyMidey 6 жыл бұрын
It's not baseball where got can judge a player off of in stat: WAR, which didn't really exist in bball.
@datmf3243
@datmf3243 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like sometimes this really deteriorates a player's game. For example, Lonzo is one of my favorite Lakers and I know that he isn't a good shooter or free throw shooter. But, he passes well and definitely locks down on some players. However, most people just come at his shooting while he excels or is good at the rest of his game
@dominickshinal7074
@dominickshinal7074 6 жыл бұрын
I think that there are pros and cons to using field goal percentage. It is a quick way to try to some up a complicated performance. Does it mean everything? Certainly not. I don't know too many stats that can some up an entire performance. I prefer the eye test. Usually serves me well.
@ericglenn9984
@ericglenn9984 6 жыл бұрын
People should complain more about shot selection rather than percentage.
@giantl9196
@giantl9196 6 жыл бұрын
in the Era of the no hand check I think it's fair to expect players to shoot a higher field goal percentage and criticize them when they don't
@triplegee007
@triplegee007 6 жыл бұрын
3:38 the perfect example of a sandwich alley-oop
@triplegee007
@triplegee007 6 жыл бұрын
5:56 is another
@kaymojohnson
@kaymojohnson 6 жыл бұрын
1st time Ive heard someone other than my cousin, refer to Kobe as Kobe-Bean
@jairedlink8710
@jairedlink8710 6 жыл бұрын
I think it's because we're seeing so many players put up ridiculous stats on ridiculous efficiency today that we go back and retroactively downgrade past players.
@waffleman578
@waffleman578 6 жыл бұрын
That was the single smoothest add intro I’ve ever seen
@deadshotdoe7338
@deadshotdoe7338 6 жыл бұрын
The way you slide that case ad kills me everytime💀😂
@Z_hri
@Z_hri 6 жыл бұрын
Dom has the best way to slip in his sponsored ads😂
@chikeokjr24
@chikeokjr24 6 жыл бұрын
Ur a Celtics fan, you prbly hated Kobe back then and maybe even a little bit now. I really appreciate how objective you are about this topic. Mos def subbed
@JWells07
@JWells07 6 жыл бұрын
What you stated perfectly at the end of the video is exactly why I don’t get myself into these dumb arguments. You haven’t seen it? YOU CAN’T JUDGE😂.. I’ve been watching the NBA since the 2014 season. And I never really supported a team, i just loved watching the game. I did fall in love with LeBron because when I played soccer when I was younger I was a passing player, and his court vision just attracted me. This is why when people ask me who is the goat. I can’t give them an answer because I never saw Michael play or Kobe in his prime. Or all these other great players. So FOR ME, my goat is lebron because he’s the greatest player I have ever seen. But people be getting in arguments while seeing nothing else but highlights and box scores? Like pop up that Nick Young question mark meme??? WHAT.. Great video Dom! Keep up the good work. And I agree with you on everything else in the video, this just stuck to me🐐
@777Samiboy
@777Samiboy 6 жыл бұрын
Can next barbershop video be about difference between a rebounder and someone who gets defensive boards. total rpg gets used when someone like durant will have 15 board all defensive where chunks came from missed free throws and how a guard getting 5+ a game is a lot harder than a wing getting 6-7. Or apg doesnt tell the whole story of a player when their team's total assist is trash. also defense stats don't show true defensive impact ie spg and bpg.
@qwikscopez6619
@qwikscopez6619 6 жыл бұрын
Ts% only tells you how efficient someone is at scoring not necessarily their impact on the game
@thevolpe2
@thevolpe2 6 жыл бұрын
Field goal percentage is one of the most important stats. It helps show quality of shot selection and decision making. But even though it’s one of the most important stats, it’s not the ONLY important stat. If a player’s field goal percentage is low, but they effect the game in other ways like defense and passing and the team still wins then that’s ok. But if the player’s main job is to score and they don’t do anything else for the team and their field goal percentage is low, then that’s bad. James Harden does a lot more on the court than Kobe, so James Harden can get away with a lower % than Kobe can.
@arshnoorrandhawa7177
@arshnoorrandhawa7177 6 жыл бұрын
Them ad transitions are clean lmao
@gregoryparker2564
@gregoryparker2564 6 жыл бұрын
This made me think you should do one about how teams overuse stars and run em into the ground.
@fendibaeee
@fendibaeee 6 жыл бұрын
Yo that intro for the cases was smooth asl😭
@bthomastheman
@bthomastheman 6 жыл бұрын
When did 43% percent on 20+ shots become bad
@thegangstadr
@thegangstadr 6 жыл бұрын
Hussel stats also dont make it to the final results, just ask Al horford a player hows focus on winning and not scoring he can pass, rebound like hell and take 3s also he goes for it and bring it every night but averges 13 pts 7 ast 8 rebounds
@jonesdotcome
@jonesdotcome 6 жыл бұрын
What’s being ignored is the fact that James Harden holds the ball 18 seconds of the shot clock which means each stat the team has will also appear on your stats... it’s just like playing mycareer
@meteor_smash
@meteor_smash 6 жыл бұрын
that athletic cases ad segue was smooth as fuck
@robclaassen5115
@robclaassen5115 6 жыл бұрын
9:42 is that the Kawhi laugh?
@rodolfomajikina2924
@rodolfomajikina2924 6 жыл бұрын
Guys, if you need context, if you need to have "watched the game intensely" to understand the result both the simple and complicated formula, which formula would you the use to make your judgement?
@Wond3rbread45
@Wond3rbread45 6 жыл бұрын
lol the harden alley to himself 12:01
@triple3237
@triple3237 6 жыл бұрын
One game you are right but a whole month or year is different
@gorandragic1728
@gorandragic1728 6 жыл бұрын
True shooting percentage is also a garbage stat without context. It doesnt take into account the difficulty of shots made and it is extremely biased towards big men who dont shoot threes like Capela and Deandre Jordan.
@100ovrbatmanbron7
@100ovrbatmanbron7 6 жыл бұрын
Dion Waiters how about doing your best to avoid takin difficult shots, or idk, passing the ball. if i take bad shots in double coverage, then it says more about me than the validity of tFG%.
@gorandragic1728
@gorandragic1728 6 жыл бұрын
@@100ovrbatmanbron7 Well, if you have the ball in your hands for a large period of time, (Kobe, AI, Westbrook) there are times where you have to force up a shot, whether that be at the end of the shotclock or gameclock. Also, when I mean difficulty of shots, i dont just mean jacking up bad threes. Answer me a question, which shot is easier, a wide open three or a wide open layup? Obviously the layup, but that doesn't mean the the three is a bad shot, it is just more difficult. Which shot is easier, a floater or dunk? Clearly a dunk, but is the floater a bad shot? No, but it is definitely more difficult.
@100ovrbatmanbron7
@100ovrbatmanbron7 6 жыл бұрын
Dion Waiters LeBron has the ball in his hands all the time and he never gets that excuse lol
@100ovrbatmanbron7
@100ovrbatmanbron7 6 жыл бұрын
Dion Waiters also, floaters are generally used to in traffic, there’s no reason to use one with an open lane. i’m not saying it’s a bad shot, but if you take enough low percentage shots to drastically impact your FG%, then maybe better looks is the answer.
@gorandragic1728
@gorandragic1728 6 жыл бұрын
@@100ovrbatmanbron7 It seems you just ignored everything i said. I just used a floater as an example, did you not get the point. My point was that there is a diffefenxe between a bad shot and a more difficult shot. Which shot is easier, a free throw line jumper or a baby post hook over someone much shorter than you? Obviously the hook, but is the midrange a bad shot? Hell no.
@Mark-The-Tenor
@Mark-The-Tenor 6 жыл бұрын
Well we also have to look at the amount of shots players took right. You could have shot 30 and made 12 and at first glance it’s bad but it isn’t horrible. Then you see players shooting high percentages and they only took 4-5 shots. You have to look at all aspects. In my opinion stats don’t mean anything in a win. You can shoot a high percentage, but if it didn’t equate to a win, then does it really matter?
@DW51380
@DW51380 6 жыл бұрын
only reason I watch watch doms videos is to see how he links his ads to the video topic 😂
@facelessandnameless
@facelessandnameless 6 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite of all your videos!! I’ve been saying this for years! Blame guys like Max Kellerman for people who over value fg%. The other day he was saying a player was having a bad 3 pt shooting year because this player was shooting “only” 35% from 3... Do people not know how to do math? 🤦🏻‍♂️ 33% from 3 = 50% from 2...
@qwikscopez6619
@qwikscopez6619 6 жыл бұрын
Possesion Efficiency is very very important, there's a 97% correlation between possesion efficiency and winning, but u don't get that from fg%, efficiency is important but fg% isn't efficiency
@mftubbz
@mftubbz 6 жыл бұрын
Nobody got better paid promotion slide ins like this man Dom😂
@NaiKzOfficial
@NaiKzOfficial 6 жыл бұрын
You must've never watched BBALLBREAKDOWN in that case..... He's got the smoothest promo transitions on KZbin
@ianrobertson3959
@ianrobertson3959 6 жыл бұрын
People are way too one dimensional with the whole field goal percentage stat. This is why casual fans don’t respect the greatness of Kobe. I’m no Kobe Bryant Stan or anything but i respect greatness when i see it. Too many people believe shooting and shooting percentage is the only thing that matters when looking at someone’s performance for a game or even for a career
@EREEEEEEEEEE
@EREEEEEEEEEE 6 жыл бұрын
Dom is the 🐐 at plugging lmaoo
@vt248
@vt248 6 жыл бұрын
0:38, @Nick Wright
@alihassanmirza5768
@alihassanmirza5768 6 жыл бұрын
Revenge of The Dreamers 3
@aizenzae4510
@aizenzae4510 6 жыл бұрын
Lol hell yeeeeea
@TheNamesDitto
@TheNamesDitto 6 жыл бұрын
Sucks cause stats can actually illustrate and highlight things that the eye test may fail at. People who ONLY use FG% don't know the difference between Kyle Korver shooting 44% and DJordan shooting 67%
@DarthKrellon23
@DarthKrellon23 6 жыл бұрын
correct me if I'm wrong didn't Kobe take the Lakers to the NBA finals in his MVP season I remember the western conference playoffs being rough in the 2007-2008 season
@NiyiDaNinja
@NiyiDaNinja 6 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say eFG or TS% determines a player's impact but I get what you're saying. Also, Jason Terry could've won Finals MVP, there is an argument for that
@GrampsGaming91
@GrampsGaming91 6 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! for this video. Awesome stuff.
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