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How powerful is Sting?

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@rdbury507
@rdbury507 2 ай бұрын
3:45 - "... and although there is a lot of very nerdy detail I could go into here ..." I'm pretty sure going into a lot of very nerdy detail is the whole point of this channel.
@samuelvimes5770
@samuelvimes5770 2 ай бұрын
7:05 here is my video about the range of the blade´s orc radar
@morfea123
@morfea123 2 ай бұрын
...and thus it was, that 100k viewers, they knew not whence it had come...
@bennett420316
@bennett420316 2 ай бұрын
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@justincranford1
@justincranford1 2 ай бұрын
I am thumbs up 315. I hesitated because keeping this count at 314 was also nerdy.
@rdbury507
@rdbury507 2 ай бұрын
@@justincranford1 Lol. I'm usually happy to get one or two likes on a comment, so triple digits is unexpected. Planetary alignment I guess.
@enoughothis
@enoughothis 2 ай бұрын
What I find interesting is that as the heir of Turgon, the King of Gondolin, these blades are something of a family heirloom for Elrond, and thus when he bids Gandalf and Thorin to keep them well it is no mere saying but rather a blessing coming from the only person in Middle Earth who could grant it.
@anthonywatkins462
@anthonywatkins462 2 ай бұрын
Valid. Elrond the goat.
@Matthew10950
@Matthew10950 2 ай бұрын
​@@anthonywatkins462....Mr. Anderson!
@thomasrinschler6783
@thomasrinschler6783 2 ай бұрын
I was about to come here to say this. As Turgon's great-grandson, Elrond very much had a claim to Glamdring at least. It was very generous of him to let Gandalf have it (but then again, Elrond was one of the few who knew Gandalf's true mission).
@blackc1479
@blackc1479 2 ай бұрын
Did not know this. But to spitball, it wouldn't surprise me if Elrond also had a rough feel for what was to come, and knew where they would be best used. Maybe after consulting Galadriel. Plus the added bonus of baby steps to reforming relations with the dwarves, and helping them reestablish themselves as a force in middle earth.
@nordvestgaming1238
@nordvestgaming1238 2 ай бұрын
@@thomasrinschler6783 Yea I think Elrond knew that possessing Glamdring wouldn't be of any real benefit to him, compared to Gandalf he was in relative safety as far as we know for most of the time between the events of the Hobbit and the end of the war of the ring assuming he stayed in the general vicinity of Rivendell and its people for much of that time, compared to Gandalf who spent that time traversing all across Middle Earth, often times solo.
@belliott538
@belliott538 2 ай бұрын
Sam’s Sword was a Blade of Westerness… FAR from Normal… and yet it failed against Shelob’s webs… Sting Did Not…
@dhorn4005
@dhorn4005 2 ай бұрын
The blades of the Hobbits, where forged by the numenorians; and they where VERY powerfull... but maybe not as powerfull as the elven blades. In Tolkien; elven is allways better... and if older even better XDD Man-made... meh. Numernorian?....mmm, better. Numenorian from the 2nd Age?... oooh, that's good... Elven from the First Age??? WOAH that's the best!!! (Although I would argue that Narsil; forged by dwarves was even better... buuuut who knows XDD) Now seriouslly; the blades of Westernesse held by the hobbits, where made by people from Arnor in their figth aggainst Angmar; and they held pwerfull enchantments dessigne to hurt the Ringwraiths; as the With King was the commander of that fawl nation. In theory, while holding the Rings the Nine could not be trully killed (that's what Glorfinder ment when he fougth him and said 'no mortal man can kill him'... later the Witch King would use that statement as a prophecy to inspire even moore fear) but thoose daggers where specifically designed and enchanted to sever the connection of Ringwraith to his Ring of Power... ...that's why, when Merry wounded the Witch King in Pelennor; this lowered his 'magical defenses' so Eowyn's blow could kill him... that's f***** powerfull; it's basically dispelling the effects of a Ring of Power... No elven sword (not even from the 1st Age) could do the same... if that where so; Glorfindel would have killed the Nazghul when he had the chance... but he apparentlly did not posses the tools to severe the connection of the Wraith to his RIng... ...and yet this daggers appear to pale in comparison to Sting... why?? I think it's clear from the context: the intention. The Daggers of Westernesse where made with powerfull spells that targeted the Ringwraiths. Probably required quite advanced techniques and magic to be made... in fact Arnor fell before the daggers could be propperlly used. Sting and the other Elven Swords where made instead with the intent of killing orcs....so, the wearer not only could detect orcs with it; but also the glow would inspire deep magical fear into the heart of this beast... So a blade is for undead-killig... and the other is for gobling slaying... ...then... spiders??? XDDD My theory falls here a little bit... my guess is that while Sting and the other elven blades where made SPECIFICALLY to slay orcs and goblins; their magic was overally supperior; and actually where quite effective aggainst any servant of drakness; an where overall more effective than the Westernesse Blades against most fawl beast or their defenses (hence why it can pierce a troll or pider webs) EXCEPT Ringwraiths. The spells of the Daggers of Weternesse whe made to kill them, and in that situation, the blades of the hobbits where simply at 'full power'...against any other foe, they would simply be well made blades... ...also unafected by corrosion obiouslly... ...and now that I think of it; Pippin killed a troll in the batte for the Morannor with one of thoose; so they still may have enhance penetration after all XDD (...but not as great as to cut the webs or skin of She-Lob; who was after all a major fiend)
@KorithStoneheart
@KorithStoneheart 2 ай бұрын
Sting is far older than the knives of Numenor, it's believed to be the dagger of the Turgon, king of Gondolin. Glamdring was his sword, so it follows that Sting was his dagger
@marvthedog1972
@marvthedog1972 2 ай бұрын
@@dhorn4005 might also stand to reason that Sting was effective against spiders and their webs because of the history of Shelob's mother poisoning the two trees. I'm sure that the Elves would include in their enchantments any effective spells that would kill the spiders too.
@AxeMan808
@AxeMan808 2 ай бұрын
'Magical' is different from 'of quality'. You can have a +20 Hi Steel sword and swing all day at something "only affected by Magic Weapons" But a +1 Magic Dagger does damage everytime it hits (would ordinarily be +5 lowest plus, but you know, player innovation). There are magical materials (Mithril, Laen, Eog, Kregora (technically an ANTI-magical material), and there are enchantments (runes of that sort are technically enchantments) to make them 'magical'.
@richardb4665
@richardb4665 2 ай бұрын
"If you want to get extra geeky about that..." I'm not here for the 101 course Robert! Deep geeky! Please!
@Starsoul_TV
@Starsoul_TV 2 ай бұрын
"Stings doesn't it?" Slashes goblin king "Look at goblin junior... Gonna Cry?"
@Seven_Leaf
@Seven_Leaf 2 ай бұрын
Bully Baggins
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 2 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@MCAPrince
@MCAPrince 2 ай бұрын
It could also be a dagger forged for Eärendil, who dropped it while fleeing Gondolin. That would add a lot of symbolism to the use of the Phial of Galadriel, which of course has the light of Eärendil.
@joelspaulding5964
@joelspaulding5964 2 ай бұрын
Being that all three were found together, it is most likely, though not definite, that they were all acquired together. Though the same folk who pilfered the more exotic weapons could have wandered upon Sting shortly after.
@astrotter
@astrotter 2 ай бұрын
This has long been my pet theory
@drewlovs
@drewlovs 2 ай бұрын
This is very much a Chekhov's gun, in regards to when Elrond identified the two swords, Bilbo did not show his short sword for the same identification. Tolkien went out of his way to explain why the two elves did not see the weapon, which means it’s important. In other words, I think Tolkien taking the time to explain why no one even noticed the weapon in Rivendale tells me why the two elves didn’t recognize it-because they never saw it, and they never saw it because Tolkien did not want them to see it. This is a drawn out way of saying, I think you’re right - I think that’s Glorfindel’s dagger, and if it was identified as such, Bilbo would’ve felt obligated to give it back to him.
@ceejay0137
@ceejay0137 2 ай бұрын
In that case, Elrond would probably have returned it to him, knowing the dangers he was likely to face on his journey. After all, he didn't ask for the other two swords, which he was surely entitled to as well.
@thefracturedbutwhole5475
@thefracturedbutwhole5475 2 ай бұрын
@@ceejay0137 Glorfindel was there, but Glorfindel would also likely tell Bilbo to keep it.
@drewlovs
@drewlovs 2 ай бұрын
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 See, I would think that too! The problem is, Tolkien twists himself in all sorts of knots so that the dagger isn’t even seen by him. The fact that Tolkien completely avoids the situation tells me that he himself wasn’t sure what Glorfindel would do.
@GaiusCassius-t2d
@GaiusCassius-t2d 2 ай бұрын
The problem is that the Glorfindel at Rivendell is probably not the same Glorfindel from the 1st Age. Tolkien obviously loved the name and wanted to use it in the LoTR. The link between the two characters is pretty weak and is based on speculative essay written a couple of months before he died.
@HighPriestFuneral
@HighPriestFuneral 2 ай бұрын
@@GaiusCassius-t2d Return of the Shadow notes that Glorfindel was from Gondolin and was originally going to tell his tale at the Council of Elrond. What this tale was, is never actually written, Tolkien scrapped that particular discussion from the Council of Elrond, but Glorfindel coming from Gondolin was always the idea. Whether "sent back" or not, well that's up to interpretation.
@TachyonKing
@TachyonKing 2 ай бұрын
Robert would love to see a ‘LOTR from Pippin’s POV’ especially on the bigger role his character plays than initially lets on
@HalfDayHero
@HalfDayHero 2 ай бұрын
Everything would be visions of where to cook breakfast and how to sabotage the mission at every turn 😂
@SkulShurtugalTCG
@SkulShurtugalTCG 2 ай бұрын
I would accept nothing less than mentions of a meal of some kind every other sentence.
@jdeshetler01
@jdeshetler01 2 ай бұрын
While Sting was powerful, i was always under the impression from the text that it was not Sting that killed Shelob, but rather Shelob impaled herself. That, ironically, she herself provided the necessary force that neither Sam nor any other warrior, no matter how strong or what weapon they had carried, could have provided. Because of course, timeless theme that it is, evil always eventually causes its own undoing.
@Acerelado
@Acerelado 2 ай бұрын
Pretty sure any other dagger would just bent or something, Sting being able not only to withstand the weight but pierce right through.
@spacemissing
@spacemissing 2 ай бұрын
Tolkien said that Shelob may have healed herself from within after her episode with Sam.
@kwest9747
@kwest9747 2 ай бұрын
Using the opponent’s strength and weight against them? I see Sam knows his judo well.
@NickThorbjørnsen2207
@NickThorbjørnsen2207 2 ай бұрын
​@kwest9747 did he enjoy a succulent Chinese meal afterwards?
@AlanSmitheeman
@AlanSmitheeman 2 ай бұрын
@@NickThorbjørnsen2207 Judo is Japanese.
@cyrilmeynier5688
@cyrilmeynier5688 2 ай бұрын
Her : He looks absent. i'm sur he is thinking about another woman Me : How powerful is Sting ?
@KorithStoneheart
@KorithStoneheart 2 ай бұрын
😂
@ZebraActual
@ZebraActual 2 ай бұрын
lol!
@robertl.wilson1199
@robertl.wilson1199 19 күн бұрын
It is an interesting topic to be fair.
@lmr4403
@lmr4403 2 ай бұрын
I like the idea of providence, that Balin stopped Bilbo from showing Glorfindel's mighty dagger to Elrond and Glorfindel. Surely a dagger of that level would be better served by a mighty warrior like Glorfindel, or Bilbo showing it to Elrond (and Glorfindel) could be interpreted as providence that Bilbo brought the dagger back for Glorfindel to use. But it was best served by the elves and Bilbo not knowing, just like the mithril shirt and passing it on to Frodo. (just like Gandalf never told Bilbo how much his shirt was worth)
@edopronk1303
@edopronk1303 2 ай бұрын
I really like this. This seems very fitting. Good thought!
@Cashdummy
@Cashdummy 2 ай бұрын
yes that was Eru Illuvatar directly intervening. or at least making sure. as sting played a major part in his plans and sting was not meant for glorfindel anymore.
@Seven_Leaf
@Seven_Leaf 2 ай бұрын
@@Cashdummy That seems to be what Illuvatar likes, doing more with what would be considered less. A well made weapon for sure, but not the mightiest.
@Cashdummy
@Cashdummy 2 ай бұрын
@@Seven_Leaf exactly. if bilbo was meant to find the ring, he was also meant to find sting. Illuvatar planned this right to the point were he gave gollum the little toss in mount doom. interference by god in a very subtle, underhand way. barely noticeable.
@dandiehm8414
@dandiehm8414 2 ай бұрын
I'm missing something - what did Balin have to do with it?
@npsit1
@npsit1 2 ай бұрын
"I'm not so sure it is a sword. It's more of a letter opener, really."
@Phillisophical
@Phillisophical 2 ай бұрын
Gandalf… the comedian.
@orionsteel5921
@orionsteel5921 2 ай бұрын
​@@Phillisophical I think that is said by one of the dwarves in the movie (Balin I think) not Gandalf.
@jaredwalley5692
@jaredwalley5692 2 ай бұрын
I do remember that he slays not a few spiders in Mirkwoood. Shelob's children. Not nearly as powerful as their grandmother, but still formidable.
@errantwinds-up8uu
@errantwinds-up8uu 2 ай бұрын
I think one thing we can all agree on is that the elves of Gondolin sure knew how to make things.
@RoboSteave
@RoboSteave 2 ай бұрын
This is long overdue as I have been enjoying your videos for a long time now. The combination of subject matter, art work, and your voice are a real delight! Thanks.
@justthinkingoutloud2538
@justthinkingoutloud2538 2 ай бұрын
Well, as far as I'm concerned, it is now official canon that sting, weapon of the hobbit that brought about the destruction of the last dark lord, was originally the weapon of possibly the most powerful elf to ever live and was used to kill one of the most powerful Maiar in the service of Morgoth. Tolkien's lore never ceases to get more and more awesome with every new detail I learn about it!
@michaelallen1432
@michaelallen1432 2 ай бұрын
It would seem plausible that it was the blade that slew a Balrog. That's just too convenient that a dirk slays a Balrog. Then a dagger shows up thousands of years later that's used by the hero, a hobbit, like a sword, and is shown to possess similar features as the blades of that long gone era, and is shown to possess great power, cutting things that ordinary swords cannot and slaying foes impervious swords and axes welded by mighty warriors.
@edopronk1303
@edopronk1303 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Almost a "lord of the rings from Stings perspective" and indeed how important it was! Great insight I hadn't thought about.
@cody2teach277
@cody2teach277 2 ай бұрын
Reminds me of my favorite conceits of LotR, which is that the third age is so much "lesser" to the power levels of the first age. Anything from the first age that makes it through to the 3rd is OP
@austinwilburn1772
@austinwilburn1772 2 ай бұрын
The oldest perfectly preserved sword we’ve ever found is the Octagonal Sword. It’s from 1000 bc from modern day southern Germany. The archeologists said the sword was so well preserved that it still could be safely removed from its sheath by hand and the handle still had a slight shimmer to it.
@grandlotus1
@grandlotus1 2 ай бұрын
I have loved Tolkien since I first read The Hobbit in Middle School, some many decades ago. Your knowledge and the poetry and reverence of your work touches my heart. Thank You!
@KenS1267
@KenS1267 2 ай бұрын
If Ecthelion carried Orcrist it would likely be the blade that slew Gothmog Lord of the Balrogs as Ecthelion slew him, and was slain by him, during the fall of Gondolin. If Sting was Glorfindel's dagger that slew the balrog then those three blades each killed a balrog. The smiths of Gondolin would be very pleased.
@crowbar_the_rogue
@crowbar_the_rogue 2 ай бұрын
What is it with Balrogs and everyone dying while killing them? Ha ano one ever just straight up killed a Balrog without dying in the attempt?
@KenS1267
@KenS1267 2 ай бұрын
@@crowbar_the_rogue Tuor kills three balrogs during the fall of Gondolin and survives. There's a few others in the Silmarillion IIRC. But balrogs are corrupted maiar so slaying one is like taking out Gandalf or Sauron.
@gabrieljohns8161
@gabrieljohns8161 Ай бұрын
Balrogs are beings of awesome destructive power. Even seeing one is despair and horror, they are corrupted Maiar, effectively fallen lesser angels. Fighting one is the closest thing to battling a god hand to hand. That's why fighting them was almost universally fatal.
@RaunchyLemon
@RaunchyLemon 29 күн бұрын
​@crowbar_the_rogueTalion? But Lore fans will try to kill me even saying that name
@VictorLiso
@VictorLiso 2 ай бұрын
Sam uses Sting! against Shelob! IT`s super effective!
@EmoBearRights
@EmoBearRights 2 ай бұрын
It put her on a red light.
@IdleDrifter
@IdleDrifter 2 ай бұрын
A humble dagger can kill as effectively as a sword or lance. Even Conan the Cimmerian appreciated a good dagger or poniard in his hand. Sting as the hidden blade served its masters well. Like the Hobbits, it went unnoticed until it was drawn into combat.
@beaker_guy
@beaker_guy 2 ай бұрын
I've always liked that line: "There were webs of horror in the dark ravines of Beleriand where it [Sting] was forged...." so, yeah, Sting's power against spiders is pretty understandable. (though, to my mind, it still would make more sense if it had been forged in Doriath... 🤔🙂)
@Redipstick
@Redipstick 2 ай бұрын
Well 26 American Music Awards, 16 Grammies, 2 MTV awards - just to name a few plus he’s in the Rocking Roll Hall of Fame and he can act. And he does yoga everyday so I’m thinking he’s pretty powerful
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 2 ай бұрын
Roxanne!
@Redipstick
@Redipstick 2 ай бұрын
@ everything little thing he does is magic
@JamesStorey09
@JamesStorey09 2 ай бұрын
@@Redipstick it’s all in the yoga.
@DevonCL101
@DevonCL101 2 ай бұрын
And he tips we'll at the Waffle House.
@funkyjbass7762
@funkyjbass7762 2 ай бұрын
Don't forget the almighty power of tantra.
@gettingby365
@gettingby365 2 ай бұрын
Disclosure: I'm old. In the late 70s-early 80s we were stationed in England. In '81 (I think?) BBC radio put on a incredible 26 week, half hour radio play (re-released later as 13 1-hr episodes). It came on Wednesdays with a repeat on Sundays if you missed it. It starred Ian Holm as Frodo and Michael Horden as Gandolf and Bill Nighy as Sam. Your voice reminds me of the narrator. His was a little deeper, but the cadence, tone, and particular accent are really transporting me in time. Love the content.
@garrettlowell7637
@garrettlowell7637 2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite passages was when Frodo advanced on Shelob, Galadriel’s phial in one hand, Sting in the other.
@brauliob
@brauliob 2 ай бұрын
Jeez... I love all your videos, it's the combination of your images, your in depth research and knowledge, and your calm voice explaining everything. Thanks for making all these!
@jonbeck6889
@jonbeck6889 2 ай бұрын
What if it was a prototype? They made a Itty bitty precursor to test the spells and techniques and once it proved effective they went into full size models like glamdring and orchrist. Or maybe they made the later two and had some magic metal left over and were like "what do we do with this? Not enough here for a whole sword..."
@MandalorV7
@MandalorV7 2 ай бұрын
I was thinking along those lines too.
@jamesford2192
@jamesford2192 2 ай бұрын
I mean he’s a good singer and I love the police but I wouldn’t say he’s powerful
@pjcassidy1
@pjcassidy1 2 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@encyclopediaofelizabeth
@encyclopediaofelizabeth 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this, because I would have e spit it everywhere. Well done.
@coyotedelamancha
@coyotedelamancha 2 ай бұрын
I dunno, man, all those years of yoga... not to mention glowing blue in the presense of orcs.
@berennicholas5003
@berennicholas5003 2 ай бұрын
some say "the edge" is incredibly sharp too but I think he's a bit overrated
@xina968
@xina968 2 ай бұрын
🤣 nice!
@JamesStorey09
@JamesStorey09 2 ай бұрын
Robert makes amazing videos, that are always informative and a lovely give description of the topic every time. But the comment section is always just as rewarding to read! You guys have taught me so much 😂❤️
@Peter-wc7dg
@Peter-wc7dg 2 ай бұрын
Interesting to think about this in the context of the themes surrounding humility. Features such as hobbits, the nature of Sam's character, Farmer Maggot and the ringwraiths and even sting being humble and ordinary (all perhaps with hidden characteristics), each playing their part to overcome impossible odds to destroy even the manifestation of the will to order and control the world in the form of the ring. Even in the Scouring of the Shire the humble hobbits, away from powerful allies, and grown from their adventures, manage to overcome the former head of the Istari, who had abandoned humility for pride. I liked this video, thank you for making it, teaching new things and prodding some new thoughts about the storyline. I hadn't really thought qbout the role of Sting very much, but it is a clear echo of the other themes. I like your idea about it being Glorfindel's dagger, and the explanation that no one thought it worth asking about despite its outsized impact (a bit like the dagger that hit the Witch King as well).
@StygianNightmare
@StygianNightmare 2 ай бұрын
Went to the ren fair when I was a youngster and my little brother thought I was so lame for being more excited to see Sting than anduril. Even at 11 or 12 I knew I had a much better chance of welding Sting, Im still kinda proud of that
@davidioanhedges
@davidioanhedges 2 ай бұрын
Dagger of Glorfindel, that he used to help defeat, and made the killing blow against Gothmog Lord of Balrogs and High Captain of Angband ... ..... It is demeaned as "only" a dagger... and perhaps only a paper knife ... But it's still a Gondolin blade, forged with magic ...
@-JazzHands-
@-JazzHands- 2 ай бұрын
Gothmog died fighting Ecthellion.
@SlideRulePirate
@SlideRulePirate 2 ай бұрын
" ... undoubtedly the least competent fighter in the whole fellowship." On the other hand: No one can call Sam reckless yet he takes the fight to Shelob. Lowliest of station yet none shows a nobler spirit. Bearing a burden or in a fight, he will not stop. Appears he's being underestimated still. The man that wagers against Sam perils his money.
@davidseligman6445
@davidseligman6445 2 ай бұрын
We'd all be watching this video in orcish if not for Sam so that was a little uncalled for. I still pick Sam even after Merry and Pippin grow to giant Hobbits. And Sam would whoop on Frodo if he truly wanted to. Imo.
@windhelmguard5295
@windhelmguard5295 2 ай бұрын
@@davidseligman6445 yea the whole point behind frodo needing to bear the ring (and why sam could not or at least wasn't supposed to) was that frodo had no power to corrupt. also frodo was a wealthy individual, whereas sam was a labourer so he'd naturally be stronger.
@marieroberts5664
@marieroberts5664 2 ай бұрын
@@windhelmguard5295 um about being stronger, yes as a laborer, Sam does have greater strength, but don't forget he is also younger than Frodo, by about fifteen or twenty years. Even though the Ring arrested Frodo's aging process, he would have only just come of age, and mortals of all stripes get stronger after maturity. Frodo would have just missed out on that boost to his prime years. Sam did not.
@ScottHess
@ScottHess 2 ай бұрын
Gondolin wasn’t very far from the Ered Gorgoroth, so having weaponry specifically attuned towards dealing with giant spiders seems reasonable.
@christianablattner4482
@christianablattner4482 2 ай бұрын
Please do one video on the mysterious stone giants!
@PiraticalBob
@PiraticalBob 2 ай бұрын
Since the goblins of Goblin-Town all recognized the swords Orcrist and Glamdring by sight, it indicated that they had seen them before - - so it's likely that they were hung on a wall somewhere as war trophies and visible to the orcs on a regular basis. This would have continued until the War of the Dwarves and Orcs, during which the Dwarves systematically attacked and sacked all of the orc-fortresses of the Misty Mountains. The swords (and Sting) were probably still hanging on a wall somewhere after these battles concluded, and were looted by the three trolls along with other loot from the orc-fortress and taken to their troll-hole in the Ettenmoors.
@Poppyshop
@Poppyshop 2 ай бұрын
Biter, Beater, Sting. Funny the hobbit gives it a similar name goblins would have.
@KorithStoneheart
@KorithStoneheart 2 ай бұрын
It's the most powerful knife/shortsword in the entire legendarium, save maybe Angrist which was the knife that cut the Silmaril from Morgoth's crown.
@jonathanpeterson1984
@jonathanpeterson1984 2 ай бұрын
I preferred him pre NWO, but yeah, Sting was pretty cool. Loved his makeup. Great wrastler.
@TheVampireAzriel
@TheVampireAzriel 2 ай бұрын
Surfer Sting was GOATed before he ever became the Crow, but Crow Sting just extended the greatness. 😂
@mikemiken1963
@mikemiken1963 2 ай бұрын
Wolfpac Sting made 0 sense, but at the time it was dope.
@chamuuemura5314
@chamuuemura5314 2 ай бұрын
The scorpion deathlock looks better in black and red than black and white but for everything else black and white had more impact. Surfer Sting was before my time but looking back is my favorite.
@eagle_and_the_dragon
@eagle_and_the_dragon 2 ай бұрын
I like to think that Sting is meant to be another form of providence. A humble tool found by the humblest of the civilised races. Intended perhaps to be nothing more than a letter opener, yet it was forged to an equal standard of Glamdring and Orcist. Through war and neglect, it survived long just so that Bilbo could obtain it. More than mere chance me thinks.
@bmschlossberg
@bmschlossberg 2 ай бұрын
Lovely video. I really enjoy your way of storytelling. Would love to listen to you read a whole book on your channel.
@shpankey
@shpankey 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, Robert! 🙂
@clive3490
@clive3490 2 ай бұрын
I was surprised that Elrond so casualy allowed Gandalf and Thorin to keep two such historicaly important and powerful swords. He never batted an eyelid or offered to trade them for something else
@Acerelado
@Acerelado 2 ай бұрын
Well, maybe allowing Thorin to keep it was as a sign of goodwill to the Dwarves. As for Gandalf, Elrond knew that it would aid him in his quest. So better they get use than just gather dust in some wall mount.
@marieroberts5664
@marieroberts5664 2 ай бұрын
I'd like to think that Elrond, being foresighted, knew that his great-grandfather's sword could not be in better hands than Gandalf...while in the book and the movie, Orcrist had come to rest in the hands of one of the greatest Dwarven warriors ever, Thorin Oakenshield. Moreso in the book than film, Thorin and Co. were made extremely welcome, and a rich gift by the host to the King of Erebor in Exile might almost be expected...maybe not that rich, but again, Elrond's foresight would have clued him in that such a blade would be better in the hands of fighter who would need it sorely and who could wield it with skill against the foes of all, instead of hanging over Elrond's mantelpiece, an Elvish mathom, if you will. Which brings me to Sting. These three swords could not have been just grabbed off the battlefield; they all came with their matching scabbards. At the very least, the King and the others that didn't make it out of the siege of the City, would have had to have been stripped of their weapons and other valuables and all the best loot would have been sent to Utumno for Morgoth himself.... but a bit of creative diversions in the baggage train, and sloth off a section of a King's ransom...of course, that seldom works, as the plunderers get plundered in their turn.
@Twiska
@Twiska 2 ай бұрын
I think it was because they recovered them from the trolls, like them being recovered at all required a reward, which was getting to keep them as long as they respected and took care of them. If they didn't, I imagine he would want them back in elvish hands.
@Trex955
@Trex955 2 ай бұрын
Sting as, or more, pivotal than the blades the other hobbits had. The Smith who forged Sting would be content that so trivial a blade made such a huge difference.
@ceejay0137
@ceejay0137 2 ай бұрын
I wonder what effect Sting would have had if Merry had been carrying it, and stabbed the Witch-King in the knee as he did with the Barrow-sword. Would it have been as effective, or more, or less? Idle speculation, I know, but that's partly what this channel is about!! Sting would probably have withered away afterwards, which would be a shame.
@louisegogel7973
@louisegogel7973 2 ай бұрын
What a lovely journey through Sting’s history and impact!
@lomiification
@lomiification 2 ай бұрын
I think glorfindel would have just beamed at Bilbo carrying his dagger. Not said anything, but looked on with pride
@RoamingAdhocrat
@RoamingAdhocrat 2 ай бұрын
Powerful enough to rhyme "cough" with "Nabukov"
@Abefroman-lq3md
@Abefroman-lq3md 2 ай бұрын
Pure genius!!!😝
@marktyler3381
@marktyler3381 2 ай бұрын
I despise that song
@Abefroman-lq3md
@Abefroman-lq3md 2 ай бұрын
@@marktyler3381 Don’t stand so close then.
@Matthew10950
@Matthew10950 2 ай бұрын
Ah! That's a Lowlita blow!!
@marktyler3381
@marktyler3381 2 ай бұрын
@@Abefroman-lq3md I've been a teacher. You are not allowed. It's wrong.
@rock_and-or_roll
@rock_and-or_roll 2 ай бұрын
Sting is so powerful I wouldn’t stand so close to it. It helped Bilbo win fields of gold. But when Frodo needed it, even though he loved it, he set it free.
@gunslinger2566
@gunslinger2566 2 ай бұрын
Well, Frodo did have the one ring wrapped around his finger, and Aragorn did call on spirits in the material world to take on the king of pain.
@Fire4616
@Fire4616 2 ай бұрын
6 time WCW World Heavyweight champion, 3 time WCW World Tag-Team champion, master of the Stinger Splash and Scorpion Death Drop. The Icon Sting is powerful. 😊❤
@RichTBiscuit101
@RichTBiscuit101 2 ай бұрын
Love your videos Robert!
@benjnorris57
@benjnorris57 2 ай бұрын
This seemingly simple video was very profound. Much like Sting itself. Thank you, Robert!!
@paulhiggins6024
@paulhiggins6024 2 ай бұрын
When In the Police, he was for sure a strong part of that group. His solo career has had some high points, but his album of medieval lute music wasn’t all that. 10 summoners tails probably my personal favourite.
@siobhanaustin4330
@siobhanaustin4330 2 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if you take topic suggestions but I'd love to see a video on the stone giants mentioned in The Hobbit!
@helikos1
@helikos1 2 ай бұрын
Hi, I don't know if it's already been discussed but I would love to see videos detailing the Valar and Maiar. All their names and what their powers were and stories that involve them
@oxtim394
@oxtim394 Ай бұрын
It would be so very like Tolkien to imagine Sting having been forged from extra bits of material left over from the forging of Glamdring and Orcrist. Sort of a, "well what shall we do with this bit of metal? Might as well forge it." Kind of moment and then have it become vital to saving the entirety of Middle Earth. That's my head canon now
@GeorgeEarlFranklin
@GeorgeEarlFranklin 2 ай бұрын
This was a great video. I never heard this or thought about it before. I enjoyed learning it. Thank you
@joanmilton9986
@joanmilton9986 2 ай бұрын
The thought that Samwise Gamgee defended Frodo from Shelob, in the process doing what no one else had been able to do in 7,000 plus years, which is injure her, while very likely wielding the dagger that Glorfindel, one of the most bad ass warriors the elves ever produced, used to kill a balrog legitimately gives me chills.
@Cashdummy
@Cashdummy 2 ай бұрын
how can the goblins immediately recognise these blades on a glimpse after thousands of years?
@derekofbaltimore
@derekofbaltimore 2 ай бұрын
that was my question
@edstringer1138
@edstringer1138 2 ай бұрын
Art? Goblin magna ?
@mcspiffy5843
@mcspiffy5843 2 ай бұрын
I hope the significance of Bilbo’s spoons will be covered next, and they played a part in saving the shire!
@ChrisShUK
@ChrisShUK 2 ай бұрын
Robert I absolutely bloody love your narrative. Thank you for your videos
@davepowder4020
@davepowder4020 2 ай бұрын
I absolutely LOVE the analysis in this video.
@beaker_guy
@beaker_guy 2 ай бұрын
When I was young I had a theory that maybe Sting was made for a prince of Doriath... after all it was small, maybe a kind of "baby's first sword" for the heir of Beren and Luthien?... Certainly it was very effective against spiders. 🙂 (ok, no, but it was a fun idea 😁)
@tinymahuta
@tinymahuta 2 ай бұрын
Would love to see a few videos on the life and adventures of Drizzt Do'urden. There is a huge amount of lore there to delve into for a decade or more.
2 ай бұрын
Sting and the Hobbits were oft overlooked and underestimated and look what they managed. Way, way back when I played D&D this blade gave me the idea for a sword that became more and more effective against a type of foe the more you used it against their kind. It was a slow progression and got slower as it leveled up (max +5) and could eventually grant the bearer some measure of protections or immunities if the enemy type had any special attacks. There was also a limit of three as to how enemy types it could grow more effective against, so maybe fell the Kobold hoards with another weapon.
@daverichards3921
@daverichards3921 2 ай бұрын
New to the channel Robert. Lately I’ve been getting back into the world of LotR via the movies and video games, and stumbled upon your channel while looking for info. It’s my go to now for anything LotR on KZbin - love the depth of knowledge and narration. Keep up the great work! 👍
@ZOB4
@ZOB4 2 ай бұрын
Ten Summoner's Tales is a great album, and of course Message in a Bottle and Roxanne are classics.
@AdrianMendoza23
@AdrianMendoza23 2 ай бұрын
Great video! Thank you
@NisGaarde
@NisGaarde 2 ай бұрын
I always preferred Sting's work with The Police
@JamesStorey09
@JamesStorey09 2 ай бұрын
Didn’t we all
@Xiroi87
@Xiroi87 2 ай бұрын
If he sends an SOS to the world, will Rohan answer?
@jackbexhell
@jackbexhell 2 ай бұрын
I liked him in WCW
@KirkDavis1966
@KirkDavis1966 2 ай бұрын
I had heard that sting was indeed Glorfimdles dagger. Indeed it was powerful, and maybe it had over the countless years developed a will of its own, but instead of malice like the one ring, it gave hope..Maybe it was this that gave Bilbo and Frodo and Sam the strength to withstand the one ring?
@calorion
@calorion 2 ай бұрын
2:40 How old are these goblins to remember these swords?? Or do they have pictures of them that they show goblin children?
@anaussie213
@anaussie213 2 ай бұрын
They tell tales of beater and biter.
@calorion
@calorion 2 ай бұрын
@ Right, but how did they recognize them on sight?
@ulflonegren4870
@ulflonegren4870 2 ай бұрын
@@calorionKZbin was especially popular across most of middle earth after all
@AnarexicSumo
@AnarexicSumo 2 ай бұрын
​@@calorion They described them to each other by word of mouth.
@calorion
@calorion 2 ай бұрын
@ Yeah, maybe. Those would have to be good descriptions!
@TomMJH
@TomMJH 2 ай бұрын
fascinating video on this little sword!
@mateuszslawinski1990
@mateuszslawinski1990 2 ай бұрын
On the one hand, simple, unadorned craft would suggest something as trivial as kitchen knife of sorts. On the other, it's anti-spider utility might be parallel to later Numenorean weapons devised to combat wraiths.
@justin1730
@justin1730 2 ай бұрын
Sting is described as leaf-shaped. A dirk is not leaf-shaped. Sting is called a sword, dagger, and knife at different times. This suggests that it blurs the lines between the three, depending on who is carrying it. We also know that Bilbo smuggled Sting in his trousers, which would limit the blade length to the length of a Hobbit thigh. I think that Sting would have been something between a Roman pugio and a Spartan xiphos. I think that a 13-14 inch Spartan xiphos would fit the bill best, but a 9-12 inch pugio would also meet the criteria. Legolas's blade is refered to as a 'long knife'. This could mean a dirk, a lange messer(full-tang falchion), or a shortsword/dagger like Sting.
@EvilSSP
@EvilSSP 2 ай бұрын
My only issue with the "humble" idea is why would it be made the way it's made if it was just a humble dagger? Was it just a warning light trinket for someone? Seems more likely that someone at the time wielded a dagger in such an expert way that it may have been their primary weapon. I don't see why else they'd need to make it glow if not.
@drestnar
@drestnar 9 күн бұрын
An excellent breakdown on a most excellent blade. Thank you
@Music-AsLife
@Music-AsLife 2 ай бұрын
Another great video.
@TadasTadeo
@TadasTadeo Ай бұрын
Your voice is so calming. I fell asleep while listening to your videos, although the content is never boring!
@tomnaumann2104
@tomnaumann2104 2 ай бұрын
Imagine the conversations we would have if Frodo’s dagger was named Stuart Copeland!
@richardfarrer5616
@richardfarrer5616 2 ай бұрын
Sting is Glorfindel's dagger! I've not come across the idea but it makes so much sense. It was made to fight the enemies of the Elves, which certainly included Ungoliant and her brood. It's interesting to wonder if it would be effective against the Witch King, since he was not an Elven enemy. I think Merry;s barrow dagger and "no other blade" would have been so effective. But I would be delighted to hear a more studied analysis (hint, hint).
@bennett420316
@bennett420316 2 ай бұрын
His scorpion death drop is legendary and the stinger splash is great too! 😅
@paulsarnik8506
@paulsarnik8506 2 ай бұрын
6:00 Glorfindel could have been out hunting or rangeing or simply another part of the Feast when Elrond qas examining the swords as well even if Bilbo DID expose it. He, like Legolas later on tho in the vicinity, were never named. 🤓😎✌🏻
@ChrisAnderson-ez4yk
@ChrisAnderson-ez4yk 2 ай бұрын
That was an absolutely wonderful close.
@orrointhewise87
@orrointhewise87 2 ай бұрын
I love how it's the swords the goblins hate and fear not the wielder. Seems backwards to us but the weapons, including Sting, take in a life of their own it would seem Makes me wonder if the swords themselves have a soul or some small portion of the flame imperishable Fun to think about 🗡
@ss316eater
@ss316eater 2 ай бұрын
I like to believe it is a subtle nod to the continuing theme... Small things are often over looked and often ignored. But it is the small things that sometimes make the biggest difference. Gandalf and the elves themselves often make slight comments that they understand if not fully believe that one of the greatest attributes of a Hobbit is that everyone disregards them due to their size.
@Joe-h4i1939
@Joe-h4i1939 2 ай бұрын
What ever happened to sting at the end of Lord of the rings? About the sound of it sting was a lot more powerful than a lot of other swords 🗡
@teabearchurchill5600
@teabearchurchill5600 2 ай бұрын
"More of a letter opener, really." 😆
@WiIhelmScream
@WiIhelmScream 2 ай бұрын
To be honest I forgot the name of the Sword but after this Video it showed how amazing it was and more important than the Ring itself. Great Vid.
@DistendedPerinium
@DistendedPerinium 2 ай бұрын
Sting belonging to Glorfindel makes sense when you keep in mind how Tolkien wrote. He wrote about legacies, not just for family lines, but objects and heirlooms too. Sting in Glorfindel's hands, killing a balrog, makes perfect sense when taking later feats the blade was involved with in Lord of the Rings. Now I doubt Tolkien thought very much on who owned Sting prior to the trolls, but given how he writes certain entities (objects and people) having certain places or roles in history, Sting being Glorfindel's dagger seems really plausible.
@joshuayang0331
@joshuayang0331 2 ай бұрын
it's intriguing to think that sting might be the dagger of glorfindel, which really makes it quite tolkien, as it is overlooked, just a dagger in the first age, slain a balrog, forgotten, then saved bilbo and frodo on their quests, i feel that it probably is the same one considering tolkien's philosophy
@alynch9846
@alynch9846 12 күн бұрын
I prefer to think the first battle with the spiders and then him naming the blade awoke more magic and made it literally a spider slayer. Coated with spider blood then held aloft and given its name is awesome.
@ponchopponcho
@ponchopponcho 7 күн бұрын
That’s very fitting when it comes to the hobbits of the third age and the great deeds they works go on to perform. It is a strange fate that we should see so much courage and heroism being so small a hobbit.
@marckrieger3277
@marckrieger3277 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Keep them well, said elrond upon discovering an elven blade of the best quality in the hands of a dwarf. While Thranduil took orcrist away of thorin that shows how much wiser elrond is. Probaly this explains why elrond was in the withe council and thranduil was not. I love your theory about sting beeing a weapon which once belonged to glorfindel. I like to imagine that glorfindel saw bilbo having it but chosed not to say something. Sting belonged to him in an other live (he died and came back) a long time ago and he feelt like bilbo needed it more. I have to hard disagree about sam having an ordinary sword, that was a Blade of Westerness one of the very few weapons that could kill a nazgûl, thats everything but ordinary! Maybe you could make a video about these weapons in the future?
@dammitanothername
@dammitanothername 2 ай бұрын
Merry's sword, found in the barrow on the Barrow-downs, is an ancient weapon with a unique history and power. It was crafted by the Men of Westernesse. I'd like to hear more about it. The sword’s enchantments come into play during the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. When Merry and Éowyn confront the Witch-king of Angmar, Merry strikes him from behind with his sword. The magic of the blade breaks the dark spells that protect the Witch-king, weakening him and making him vulnerable. This wound allows Éowyn to deliver the final blow, fulfilling the prophecy that "no man" would defeat the Witch-king...
@bookmouse2719
@bookmouse2719 2 ай бұрын
Tiny but mighty. Also Merry's blade had a tale to tell.
@OnlyAFoolsHope
@OnlyAFoolsHope 2 ай бұрын
It could have been Idril Celebrindal’s, wife of Tuor, seeing as she was the only one ever really worried about an invasion of Gondolin due to her mistrust of Maeglin. She had a secret escape tunnel made out of the city before its fall to protect Eärendil, makes sense she would have a dagger that warned her if orcs were ever near. Few other elves of Gondolin would have thought to add that detail since they thought it to be beyond Morgoth’s reach.
@danoconnell1833
@danoconnell1833 2 ай бұрын
Damn you're a good storyteller, Robert. And, yes, geeky detail is most welcome!
@baitposter
@baitposter 2 ай бұрын
Could you perhaps also make videos covering Jack Vance's Dying Earth? _(Where we get Vancian magic systems from, which also inspired D&D's magic system)_
@ericswain70
@ericswain70 2 ай бұрын
Well done.
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