How Powerful was the Victory Class Destroyer? | Babylon 5

[@AHomelessShoe]

It's a shame we never got the sequel series. It would have been nice to see more of this ship.

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

True!!

[@watcherzero5256]

We did get Crusade which revolved around the ship but it was cancelled half way through its first season. The other spinoff shows would have revolved around smaller ranger ships.

[@AHomelessShoe]

@@watcherzero5256 Crusade was what I was thinking of. I had thought the show never came out.

[@Phil-D83]

Shoddy writing killed the crusade series. Sg1 got away with ridiculous comedy. B5 was darker and more serious

[@johnpatz8395]

@@AHomelessShoeit came out, but it was saddled by insane levels of interference by executives, so it almost completely lost the B5 feel. It was sad, as the story, and cast really had potential

[@duvetofreason16]

I thought the lightning cannon was it's biggest gun. Minbari improved neutron lasers are it's primary weapon in most fights

[@RandyBaumery-s4i]

Too bad they didn't put that same particle beam cannon as they had on the Warlock class ship.

[@MH5XXXX]

I agree the VICTORY is a great ship. I loved the B5 series.

[@BHarmon_1776]

thanks for the video, please keep them coming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@sykotic77]

One of my favorite ship designs along with the Omega class destroyers...too bad Excalibur got cancelled, would have loved to B5 to continue on.

[@seanwolslau-holdren6731]

In my professional opinion, the Victory Class Destroyer or (Destroyer Class White Star) is the most elegant and sophisticated warship ever made. I was aggravated that Crusade was cancelled before it could finish it's story. I just wish we could see more of the Victory Class.

[@shanenolan5625]

I know she was a prototype, but if k were in charge id add a battery system, just enough to power the vessel fully for 60 seconds. Its more than possible.

[@joserubenrodriguezfuentes]

Starwreck in The Pikining is a Infamous Finish Scifi Movie B5 vs Startrek The Terran Empire Takes over The Entire Federation....

[@Cameron0214]

Victory could def go up against a Sharlin class destroyer. We saw for a fact that the EA Warlock class could go toe to toe with a Sharlin and win. No reason why the Victory can't.

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

Especially, if they use their lightning cannon.

[@matts1166]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 I think there is something your forgot to mention. The Victory and Excalibur , when seen on screen, were technically unfinished ships. While still mighty as they were seen, they were originally supposed to also have a "bio-skin" over the hull. Something akin to what the White Stars have.

[@billchadwell2319]

When was there a fight between a Sharlin and Warlock?

[@micheallackey6637]

What a waste when crusade was sabotaged, the best possible continuation of b5

[@shawnbeckmann1847]

Absolutely one of my favorite Ships she's a beauty!

[@briankriens5645]

For a ship as big as the Victory class I was always surprised at how few actual weapons it had on it. I mean the Warlock was bristling with weapons.

[@Ishlacorrin]

Do you mean different types or actual number of systems? Because while a lot of shots do not show it, the Victory class does have a huge number of smaller pulse and beam weapons for anti-fighter and anti-corvette type defence in addition to it's main guns. The Victory has 27 beam weapons listed along with an unknown number of AA weapons all over and "multiple" missile launchers, that's fairly significant. The Warlock has 2 Beams, 3 Railguns, 22 Pulse cannons of Light through to Heavy types and 28 Missile silo's listed, not that much different really.

[@RA10H56]

While I was watching the show I just assumed most of its weapon systems were in recessed parts of the hull and/or had emitters rather then cannons exposed to damage and space. similar to most vessels in startek, and to the of the vorlon vessels.

[@briankriens5645]

@@RA10H56 We never see that, though. What we see is the fixed nose cannons and 2 triple cannon turrets along the dorsal. Not even missiles/torpedoes for some reason.

[@briankriens5645]

@@Ishlacorrin I like the numbers you listed. Shame all we ever saw was the bow fixed cannons and the 2 triple turrets. Never in the show do I remember the Excalibur using missiles.

[@RA10H56]

@briankriens5645 yeah we just didn't get enough of the show did we? Had a lot of potential.

[@RandomTrinidadian]

Danm, i firgot how good looking the Victory-class was. Crusade deserved so much better

[@shanenolan5625]

Thanks. Had me with the title

[@saumyacow4435]

This is in my top 5 favorite fictional spaceships :)

[@berges104]

Victory class can engage and win vs any race top tier battleship. It punches as hard as any and can tank way more damage. I estimate it walks away from any 3v1 fight of the younger races. The Shadow or Vorlon would be a 1v1 fight with a good chance of defeat. Can beat Shadows with Telepath but need the big gun for a vorlon ship... then hope none show up to Finish the Victory while it recharges

[@TheValarClan]

you didn’t mention the main weapon. Which is akin to the main canon on the space battleship Yamato or the SDF one in Robotech

[@TheMingilator]

really she should have been classed as a dreadnought, simply because of the mass, weaponry and level of armour she had, something like the whitestar class would be a destroyer , strong firepower, high speed but not huge mass or armour

[@neilsimpson79]

Always thought they would have tweaked it to have an organic hull, more omnidirectional weapons and auto repair if they made more.

[@watcherzero5256]

It did to a degree, it didnt have the self-repair capability of Minbari ships but it did have the 80% energy reflection of the White Stars.

[@matts1166]

Actually, they were originally intended to have a similar organic hull skin akin to the White Stars. They were technically unfinished ships when they were taken out. Afterwards they just chose not to install the skin on the last remaining prototype.

[@mitche5007]

Who knows how powerful it was, I just miss the show (both shows Crusade and Babylon 5 ) apparently if you check on KZbin, you will see that there was some drama behind the scenes of the production and the studio unfortunately😢

[@nathanielturner5689]

I like this ship. Although underpowered with it's quantum singularity power plant and rushed into service in the events during and after "A Call to Arms" the Victory and Excalibur didn't reach their full potential. I would have liked to see the series continue past "Crusade" and maybe have Excalibur in a battle like 3rd Space but unless we get a reboot it will not happen.

[@gavindadds4414]

Always thought this thing was vastly under-gunned in the sense that there were only two turreted weapons on top of the hull. At nearly 3000 meters, surely they could have fit many other turrets on the hull to cover under the ship and more to cover the flanks. Imagine another 6 turrets with those neutron cannons or even some combination with the pulse cannons of the White Stars. Also, where are the missile launchers?

[@unname935]

Plz do the political and religious conflicts between Twelve Colonies (RDM) and the United Federation of Planets.... (if you can)

[@pughjam1016]

I just want more of this universe... I have the same sentiment for firefly/serenity. I love that the victory Visually identifies humanity joining the higher galactic technology level. The warlock still looks slicker yes, and does shows limited increase in tech and shipbuilding: but the Victory just emanates the change from submarines in space to actual space ship. The biggest struggle for alien ships is making them look grounded while still feeling exotic, the design team did a great job showing the different levels of tech in each race through their ships. Vorlon ships scream "I can't be understood" while the Centauri ships still make sense while clearly being a step above the current Human level - you can add races to this describing the tech level of each race by how grounded the ships look. (This is extremely fun to do with the league of non-aligned worlds) I would love to see you do a free form video essay on the topic of just how well this was done in B5 and maybe include a call to action for others to do the same/whatever your opinion is (you might disagree with my takes or opinions).

[@addisonchow9798]

Victory class destroyer vs victory II star destroyer who would win?

[@COMPLAINS_NOT_CHANGE_ANYTHING]

If it was under command of Thrawn.... Victory II would likely win

[@robkemp598]

Destroyer? More like super heavy battleship

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

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[@RA10H56]

Wasn't it said in one of the B5 source books that the earth alliance rated ships differently? Like a destroyer was considered the most powerful? And then cruisers and corvettes. I don't think they ever mentioned battleships.

[@shanenolan5625]

In my head, Canon. Its capital ship destroyer. . Like how a star destroyer in star wars. Is clearly a battleship/ carrier hybrid. Or galactica

[@RA10H56]

@shanenolan5625 that makes sense to me. I sometimes like it when things are left to our imaginations.

[@shanenolan5625]

@RA10H56 yes agreed

[@adamschofield7779]

Looks like a staff weapon from Stargate lol

[@szabiyt]

I wonder why the traditional classification of surface naval ships (Carrier, Battleship, Battlecruiser, Assault ship, Cruiser, Destroyer, Frigate, Corvette, Monitor, Patrol boat) were not used in this show. Victory is definetly not a destroyer. 🙂

[@mbogucki1]

Agreed. Its nearly 3km long. Then you have the Nova class dreadnought at 1500m but the Omega is a destroyer at 1700m. Just bizarre stuff.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

Politics and finances. It is easier to get approval to spend money on Destroyers, than Cruisers or Battleships. Once you have the money, you build a really big battleship sized 'Destroyer'. Even today a modern naval Destroyer is far bigger than Destroyers used during WWII for example. A UK Type 45 is 152.4 m (500 ft) and displaces upto 8,500 tonnes. A typical WWII UK destroyer was 99m (325ft) to 108m (355ft) 1,350 tons to around 1,700 tons.

[@BalazsBujdoso]

The victory class monitor is class Is classified as a destroyer because the ISA is a purely political organization. A battleship in the fleet would give a wrong feeling. The Whitestar is designated as a monitor because its primary mission is reconnaissance and espionage. Find the designation from this aspect very accurate as a destroyer. The Whitestar class was capable of either destroying all ships of the younger race or inflicting significant damage on larger ships, and it fulfilled that role full. However, the Whitestar ships were designed to operate in wolfpack tactics. The next logical step was to develop a weapons platform that would compensate for this deficit. And this is with the Victory more than succeeded. To the defense and attack systems. The Victory class was designed with a high tier Vorlon bio-armor. The Whitestar has a low tier which is due to the fact that the Vorlons provided the Mimbari a relatively early stage of their bio-armor research. Only when an abandoned Vorlon ship was found in hyperspace was it possible to reverse-engineer both the bio-armor, energy systems and weapons technology. The victory was intended to be equipped with a full-evolved Vorlon bio-armor that would have to grow. And instead of automatic repair systems based on nanotechnology, it should have a biological regeneration system that should be powered by cosmic rays. The weapon systems based primarily on Mimbari tech improved by the Vorlons. Tech that mix one of the oldest and one of the oldest young race. That's all I have to say. Who should do something if even the Centauri are afraid of it. The victory is far superior to all ships of the younger races. Even a sharlin would not put it in trouble, although it is a prototype. Fully developed with all the technologies, it would have given the ISA a superiority that would have ensured lasting peace for centuries to come. To support this, let's take the Valen class cruiser. This was the second attempt of ISA to adapt Vorlon technology and it worked much better. The power supply was more stable and the quantum drive based on much higher tier Vorlon technology was implemented much better.

[@-JA-]

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[@shaneluke1608]

This thing would have murdered a small fleet of Sharlin's if it had to.

[@johng.1703]

Victory Class Destroyer was both under powered and over powered at the same time, it was also used as a solo ship, which is also a very bad move, capital class ships should have smaller escort ships. but the glaring foul up for this ship was that if it ever did fire its main weapon it couldn't move, fire, use electronic counter measures, or jump for 30 seconds. the the series they more than often don't fire the main weapon specifically because how it would leave the ship so vulnerable after firing. there is very little point in having a big massive space gun when you can't fire it. so for the majority of the time, this ship is no more powerful than a single white star. this ship has way more down sides than it has benefits. it's a bigger slower less manoeuvrable ship than a white star with about as much firepower as a white star, unless it goes dead in the water and loses its ability to jump.

[@its_me_voltron6394]

What no robotech ??🤔😭

[@michaelhband]

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[@mbogucki1]

At nearly 3000m long I never understand how these things are a "Destroyer". Its a fucking Battleship or Dreadnaught.

[@watcherzero5256]

Same way the Omega class destroyer was 1.7km, and the Sharlin was 1.6km but as tall as it was long. The Nova class dreadnought was 1.5km while the Brakiri merchant cruiser which was very underarmed for its size as it was primarily a merchant ship was 1km long and 1km tall.

[@stonecoldw01]

If they still need fighter then is not ready

[@bezelboot6652]

Just as some say Star Trek:DS9 copied elements from Babylon 5, Crusade copied elements from Space Battleship Yamamoto [aka Star Blazers]. Especially when you compare the ships.

[@gorillazzilla]

Not so much a destroyer, it's quite like a battleship.

[@KatrinaLeFaye]

Woefully under powered for it's weapons systems leaving it a sitting duck in more than a one on one encounter. It was a dud.

[@barenekid9695]

STOP Babbling !

[@dirdib69]

I still think it was ugly as hell, sorry.