How Privacy Changed

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

“Ultimately, saying that you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different from saying you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.” ― Edward Snowden

[@deepu_btbx]

They are not the same thing

[@imilegofreak]

@@deepu_btbx but the equivalence is tautological.

[@Raybro16]

@@deepu_btbx then tell us; which do you value more? because you can't have one without the other

[@misticsword7561]

@@Raybro16 ​ The difference is in the gravity. The lack of the first will get you judged. The lack of the second will get you executed. And yes, they can coexist, if the other is respectfull.

[@teenkitsune]

A great quote from one of my favorite whistleblowers. This is something my dad needs to hear as he views government surveillance as both necessary and fine, believing that it does keep people safe and believes that because he has nothing to hide from the government that it's perfectly fine to be surveyed by Uncle Sam. Sadly he wouldn't listen anyway as he views Edward Snowden as a traitor and as such hates him.

[@anthonywestbrook2155]

US: "China might access information TicTok is collecting, so we're banning TicToc." Me: "Why don't we just ban that sort of data collection." US in a defensive tone: "What are you? Some sort of conspiracy nut job?"

[@ballsrgrossnugly]

Beyond a joke at this point.

[@darkmyro]

@@ballsrgrossnugly what about the 30 or so other apps and videogames from china that collect our information, the tik tok ban is soooo dumb, Donny is literally mad at tik tok users for making him look like a colossal idiot and its so thinly veiled it funny( he doesn't need their help, but it is welcome) XD I mean in a perfect world you'd hang onto your private information, but at this point, if your major corporation your tracking your users going after tik tok literally does nothing to help this :/

[@ballsrgrossnugly]

@@darkmyro Okay, I mean, as I said, It's ALL beyond a joke. The whole thing. But thanks for aiming that diatribe at me. P.S. your crazy would be easier to read (and might even sound a little more sane) if you could just figure out that last sentence there where you started to really go off the rails with "your" every 2nd word, making no sense... that would be nice.

[@darkmyro]

@@ballsrgrossnugly It was a joke I'm half asleep IGNORE ME

[@anthonywestbrook2155]

@Cam Adams I mean, the whole video is about the tradeoffs between the privacy of the individual and the needs of the state/larger society. So you're right, I'm not steelmanning every possible defense of state surveillance at the expense of privacy, I'm only highlighting that the targeting of tik tok doesn't seem to be an example of a well thought out cohesive doctrine.

[@canorth]

I live in the salt lake valley. We’ve got a giant NSA data storage center here that would be unknown if Edward Snowden hadn’t spilled th beans. Right next to it? A Facebook data center.

[@360.Tapestry]

probably not even in cahoots. probably a mix of government/corporate espionage

[@360.Tapestry]

@@zoanth4 that's a nice gesture, but it's happening one way or another. i would've just went lol

[@canorth]

Christopher Neese I was in the army for five years and what the NSA is doing disgusts me.

[@canorth]

Christopher Neese I could work for them now, minus undoubtedly failing a polygraph if they asked the right questions, but I wouldn’t for all the money in the world.

[@Osric24]

How much you wanna bet the facebook data center has more and better data than the NSA one?

[@trisramhughes9935]

Something y'all didn't touch on is how harmful it is for governments to have access to our privacy. If the government has access to my location data, text, emails, internet history etc. they are in a huge position of power over me, and I can't reasonably do anything about that unless I want to adopt a Amish lifestyle. I can understand that a lot of companies make their money off my privacy but there needs to be a middle ground where I can use modern day technology without having to give up the information of everything in my life. And since the government does have all that data it makes it hard to organize any rebellion against the government whatsoever since they could just see that and counter it. Edward Snowden talks about that exact thing with Joe Rogan. Lack of privacy leads to not being able to challenge the government in any meaningful way. Edit: The original name of the video was "Why Privacy Matters" which is what sparked my comment, idk why they changed it

[@360.Tapestry]

>>>>tracking

[@hdhgjhjdvj]

I am still learning so do not take my question in the wrong way. What government would make it so that there would be ease in starting a rebellion? Wouldn't any government want its own existence to continue?

[@360.Tapestry]

@@hdhgjhjdvj of course, it wants to continue its own existence. but a democratic government that begins to suppress the will of the people is no longer a democratic government. it would essentially end itself in doing that

[@hdhgjhjdvj]

@@360.Tapestry I never talked about suppressing the will of the people but İ assume you forwarded the topic. So you are saying that trying to stop a revolution or a rebellion is undemocratic. For this to be the case a majority of the population would have to have that opinion. In which case, without rebellion or revolution, you could elect a leader that wants to change the government by voting for him, right?

[@chronosx7]

@@hdhgjhjdvj I'm not sure if I get your questions right... but here's my take. It certainly makes sense for both agencies and the goverment at large to preserve their existence, however the rights such as privacy, speech and assembly don't imply the destruction of goverment by themselves... at the very least you need to convince enough people that it's worth the time, effort and blood it would take to achieve it. On the other hand I'd say literal "rebellion" is something mostly goverments that depend on coercion and see citizens not as entities with rights, but as resources to be exploited, consider a threat inherent to the concept of "people with rights and freedoms".

[@RocketNinjaSlap]

The problem with terms of agreement is that often, whether commercially or institutionally or socially, the service asking you to waive your right to privacy has been made necessary for basic mandatory functions. Until we can collectively force companies like Uber or Facebook to offer privacy-compliant versions of their service, there is no choice for many people. Privacy isn't just waived to participate inherently, it's waived by corporations who profit from our lack of privacy.

[@dabeastfromdaweast9788]

I'm not mad that you guys are sponsored, I'm mad you missed the obvious opportunity to make the privacy video sponsored by NordVPN

[@Mr.Sniffles]

Too true.

[@Hotshot2k4]

I actually would prefer they didn't, as it's a bit of a conflict of interest. They would have financial motive to make things look as bleak as possible to push people to check out the sponsor.

[@joshuaaltmann6431]

I was thinking the same thing

[@seasidescott]

He was, you idiots, he just made you think that you thought of it on your own.

[@juniperstardust5549]

*"You must love Big Brother. It is not enough to obey him: you must love him"* And man do people love him smh

[@tguthrie6]

In 1984 though they live in oppressive living conditions, we live in a paradise in comparison.

[@ThrottleKitty]

@@tguthrie6 A paradise? You must live in some kind of special privileged gated community. Most people live on a razers edge, where one small illness or bout of car trouble can throw them and their children out onto the street. The world we live in is hellish and dystopian, you having fancy doodads to distract you from it doesn't make it paradise.

[@Sparticulous]

Taku Te Puke you must live in a sphere of delusion. Like throttle kitty said, 99% of people live in a dystopian nightmare of barely getting by

[@matthewsommerville88]

This guy has grown on me big time. But I hope Jared is OK!

[@DustDoll]

Aside from the concept of an increased propinquity for Michael due to seeing him more because of Covid, he’s been around for awhile now. What changed your mind so late into his run? As for Jared, I wholeheartedly agree, but he’s taken extended breaks before. All we can do now is make sure that he knows that we care for him and that we appreciate what his crew has done in his absence.

[@SpookyGhostHands]

A few years ago I didn't get all of the fuss over our collected data. The more I learn about it, the more imporant I see it to be. The fact that a large marjority of Facbook's profits come from advertizing that is so effective due to their infringement on our privacy is INSANE. The $$$ attached to our personal browsing data is unfathomable and we should be better protected from having it sold with no cut from the sale.

[@360.Tapestry]

facebook might know a thing or two about the cities i visit, but that's about it. it thinks i'm a conservative and only knows to show me funny videos, so lol it's way off the mark for everything because i share very little on facebook. there is _some_ control there, but it takes mental resources that the average person doesn't care or want to think about

[@jquiznos2283]

Indeed. If we got a cut from the deal, at least we'd have that.

[@soufian2733]

Kryptonite you have no idea how much they know about you

[@360.Tapestry]

@@soufian2733 ok. how much do they know about me?

[@travisbarton4288]

I get that people see Facebook making SOOOOOO much money off our data that of course it only seems fair we should all get a cut. Thing is, our data is only worth PENNIES each.. facebook only makes so much because theirs millions (billions, maybe?) of those pennies coming in.

[@loucapit]

It'd be funnier if this vdieo was sponsored by NordVPN

[@bubblegumbitch2191]

I was just thinking that:)

[@jekyll7110]

what did nordvpn do?

[@WinterBoots15]

@@jekyll7110 having a vpn ad on a privacy video is ironic

[@MinecraftJesusGaming]

People literally post photos of themselves on Instagram and Twitter about what they eat and where they go. Big Brother doesn't even have to try.

[@trisramhughes9935]

Choosing to share information is one thing, having information forcibly taken from you is another. Sure I'm willing to share some of my vacation photos on Instagram but I definitely don't want some CIA agent looking at my nudes. Watch some Edward Snowden interviews

[@gofoucaultspendulumyoursel3496]

@Jon Osterman youre on social media now, so i guess we're both stupid.

[@snoookie456]

@@gofoucaultspendulumyoursel3496 this is so not a social media like twitter and instagram are

[@gofoucaultspendulumyoursel3496]

​@@snoookie456 sure it is- google is part of "big brother"- data collection, surveillance, etc. google owns youtube. your data is being collected and fed back to you through ads, mindf*ck games, etc. you are being harvested. enjoy! 👍

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell, 1984

[@blueprint7]

Orwell was a snitch

[@DorkingtonHacker]

That would seem to be an argument against privacy, since privacy involves withholding the truth.

[@Shrooblord]

MINISTRY OF TRUTH MINISTRY OF PLENTY MINISTRY OF PEACE MINISTRY OF LOVE IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH FREEDOM IS SLAVERY what a book. if Orwell could know what the world is like today, he would turn in his grave -- his cautionary tale, slowly but surely coming to realisation

[@kire12298]

That’s not in 1984. We actually don’t know where the quote came from. Everyone thinks it’s from 1984, but it isn’t in the book anywhere.

[@reanetsemoleleki8219]

Obligatory profound sounding quote without any apparent thought as to how it relates to the video. Typical KZbin.

[@apoth90]

When Aristotle said "A person belongs to the state" did he mean, that he is PART of the state or that he is PROPERTY of the state?

[@TheRandysilverwolf]

property in a sense yes, moreso that a person has a duty to be virtuous, because your actions usually affect others i.e. you are not just "you" because you are inextricably linked to those who make up the state as well. we are the property of the state in that we all own each other.

[@isdel9474]

he means "all of your issues, qualms, concerns, and ideas" are mostly derivative of the things the state pens around you (or whatever multitude of states do so). for instance, the problem of poverty is perpetuated by the state that constantly asks you for money and has coercive means to get you to pay your bills and taxes. those become your concerns and so you're essentially property to them. if the state didn't reinforce fairness in transactions, you wouldn't have to consider poverty, finances, inflation, or the market because those things wouldn't exist (of course, there would be a multitude of other problems going on).

[@michaelR831]

Aristotle believed that the virtues that each person have can only exist in relation to others, so the state necessarily affects who we are. Aristotle was big on virtue ethics, and famously said that "man is a political animal". So, he believed that it was sort of in our nature to create states and that we're better off that way.

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

Need to see Aristotle through a historical lens. Even in democratic Athens, there was only a minority which had the right to vote (you had to be older than 35, own a house, and be a free man). Otherwise, Hellenistic Culture was proto-feudal and everyone outside of Athens was subject to some King of a city-state, while the warrior caste and the priests had some privileges. So you mostly literally were property of a king or some other rich person, and they could do with you as they pleased. Aristotle eventually became Alexander of Macedonia's (aka Alexander the Great) personal tutor, and arguably, they had some enormous fame synergy effect for us to remeber so much about them over 2000 years later

[@apoth90]

@@TheRandysilverwolf People having a duty to be a virtuous and being a valuable member of a society or a well greased cogwheel sounds more like being part of the state to me.

[@YoussefE.]

Wisecrack be like: "You know that thing you believe is fundamentally black or white? SIKE! It's yet another gray area."

[@kurikuraconkuritas]

it’s all about breaking the misconceptions of black and white. gradient of value is the norm

[@YagamiKou]

that is a norm in philosophy, more often then not it takes something u think u know and shows u that u didnt know it at all and thats what makes it a great field it shows u the complexity in things u thought were simple

[@jamesrekula1841]

Thank you Wisecrack for making some distinction between the private and the personal. That distinction can be very important and might be worth delving into for its own video!

[@CJusticeHappen21]

My Favorite analogy regarding this comes from SMBC: Link's below. *Citizen:* I just don't see why the government needs a backdoor to all software *Official:* You make is sound so sordid. Consider this: You're wearing clothes. That's fine, but how do we know you're not hiding something in there? We don't want you to go _without_ clothes, so we offer a simple compromise. We make is so that _all_ of your clothes are see-thru _all_ the time, *but* only for a small group of distant people whose identity and motives are secret to you. *Citizen:* That analogy just makes it seem worse. *Official:* Analogy? www. smbc-comics . com / index . php ? id = 4083

[@aztecharomor]

If anyone says that privacy doesn't matter when you have nothing to hide, ask them if they shit with the bathroom door open.

[@ManubibiWalsh]

For me privacy is not just what I do in my home that I don’t want other people to see or hear, for me privacy is primarily about keeping to myself whatever makes me vulnerable. My street address, my phone number, pictures of my face, my work email address etc. That’s the kind of data I don’t trust strangers with, but also data that is requested of me when I start using a new online service. I simply need all the data that people might use to get to me and the people I love to be kept safe. Otherwise it will be available to any strangers, including spiteful and dangerous strangers. Which is why I don’t post pictures of myself or my family or especially my nieces on Instagram, even with right privacy settings. Because I don’t trust viewers not to have bad intentions or not being pedophiles. And as a woman, it’s especially important that no sensible data ends in the hands of anyone who would hurt me for my sexuality, gender non-conformity, my political opinions or just my very existence. That’s why I staunchly defend the private parts of my life.

[@GeorgeCowsert]

I simply hate the fact that companies know more about myself than I do, and they still target me with ads that don't work. Case in point: Reece's ads, even though I'm allergic to nuts.

[@ringsroses]

There's an interesting spectrum between 100% targeted ads (I just said that five minutes ago and now I'm seeing the ad) and totally bonkers ads that aren't even close. I sometimes wonder if they slip those in to make it seem more random and less personal or if the algorithm is just drunk.

[@euminkong]

You're a man not a dish. I like synthetic detergents

[@jjburnes5176]

Well after that comment, they’ll know now! Lmao (mostly kidding... I hope?!?!?)

[@GeorgeCowsert]

@@jjburnes5176 I've made several of these comments for the past two years and they still send me the most ineffective ads, so no. They just don't care enough to make sure their violations of privacy actually do something useful for them.

[@TweakinKhole]

Privacy was thrown away for Americans when we submitted to the red scare. Fearing someone’s ability to label you and it be taken as truth to authorities solely based off word-of-mouth, whether you ascribe to it’s beliefs or not, under a “free” state doesn’t exactly correlate too well lol.

[@snoookie456]

From the KGB to the FBI... different regimes, same tactics Coming from Eastern Europe, hearing americans rant against commies is hilarious. I will forever prefer the Western world to the Eastern soviet hell for obvious reasons, but sometimes a lot of modern societies are so oblivious to the common patterns... as soon as a government official gets replaced with the CEO of a huge corporation, westerners be like "I feel safer already" lmao

[@ddobefaest9334]

You're onto something though. It may be inevitable and beyond our power to stop the state developing these technologies and compromising our communication, but the real danger is letting our prejudices justify and normalize these technologies uses.

[@ClockwerkMan]

I lost it at "privacy not available in China" xD

[@Chairman_Miao]

wait is that a real ad, or did wisecrack photoshop it?

[@Shrooblord]

yes this was glorious

[@thedigitalodometer945]

I was surprised that this video didn’t talk about the PATRIOT Act at all.

[@ImperiaGin]

The us government has been spying on minorities for many decades.

[@Baddman3000]

BIG ZUCC IS WATCHING..........

[@Gilgamoth]

Yeah Big Brothers really like to use BS exploit like that infringe people freedom, its as if they don't trust their own people, smh.

[@gifctdotorgthought-police3706]

@@Gilgamoth I mean to be fair Americans did kind of overthrow our last political regime. I don't like being spied on, but at the same time...Americans can be quite mischievous when left to ourselves unguarded. lol

[@johnnyshanksalot8358]

@@gifctdotorgthought-police3706 ?? What does US citizens being monitored or not have to do with your last regime's 'overthrow'? If that in fact happened, wouldn't it be more linked to those doing the watching than to random Americans? What are you even talking about?!?

[@bnb7094]

In order to understand privacy you must understand its roots in responsibility and individualism. If you cannot be responsible you cannot have privacy, ownership, individualism, and authority. They are all interdependent upon each other. -Responsibility is not a reaction and does not come from the involuntary-intelligence side of ourselves / (the subconscious). -Responsibility can only be gained through voluntarily taking upon yourself the action of doing something or the failing to do something you should have done while you were conscious to make the right decisions. Q: Do you think that we are responsible for our actions? Being responsible for our actions means governing yourself, ownership of your own life, and authority over yourself. Responsibility is ownership and authority. Responsibility is a choice that can only be made voluntarily by the individual. If you fail to make the choice to govern yourself then an external-government will sometimes try to help you or contain you so you do not endanger yourself or others. You lose ownership, authority, and responsibility to the external governing of others. Your parents had to govern you until you did it yourself. Your government has the responsibility to control dangerous criminals because that person doesn't do it themselves. Religion tries to govern those who follow their teachings. But ultimately the individual should take responsibility for everything they are today and govern themselves according to living a happy life while allowing other people to the same. When we blame others what we are actually doing is giving them responsibility over that part of ourselves. We loose ownership and authority and become prisoners and victims to them. But if we take the blame we then own that situation and have authority over it. When you drive a vehicle you are in control. You have taken responsibility and own that situation. You have the authority to create or destroy as you see fit. You have true freedom. The same goes for all your actions. But if you destroy or interfere with others trying to live a happy life also then it is likely that someone will start governing your actions for you. Responsibility is taken. You can try to force others to take responsibility but it never works. They must do it themselves upon their own judgement and free-will. If a person doesn't see a reason to do something they won't do it. Understanding creates hope. Confusion creates fear. Each can be a motivation to act. But only hope gives a lasting good result to empower the individual to govern themselves correctly. www.quora.com/Are-we-responsible-for-our-actions/answer/Ben-Burton-35

[@ffnendhgrgd]

Some of us have never known anything besides a community identity. Privacy is limited to the thoughts inside your head. Everything else, from your house to your room in it, is subject to "eminent domain" as far as your family is concerned. In this environment, corruption and abuse thrive due to apathy. It happens through paper thin walls and we have to make a choice between integrity and self-preservation.

[@finnlasch66]

Wisecrack, I love you but why does you thumbnail NOT SAY “BIG ZUCC IS WATCHING” cmon you missed a golden opportunity

[@MultiSpicy123]

wow what a memester xDddddd

[@360.Tapestry]

"big zucc" is not a thing... every single time someone writes that a channel missed out on a perfect opportunity for a joke, it's something that barely lands

[@WisecrackEDU]

Honestly we wish we thought of that.

[@oefspcedwards]

There is a book called "Habeas Data: Privacy vs. The rise of surveillance tech" That I think the Wisecrack staff would enjoy reading on this subject.

[@eleiraeel]

I definitely think power plays into privacy. The less powerful you are the more your privacy, individualism, and personal rights need to be protected due to your vulnerable position. The more powerful you (or your company) are, the MORE you should be held accountable with checks and balances that require transparency, social duty, and the rights of the people.

[@jamesrichie7844]

Democracy, which most of us still claim to want - big mood

[@jaredcollins85]

I was hoping you would touch up on the social-psychology behind the Hawthorne effect and how that greatly impacts the psychological development of people in a completely transparent environment

[@mstrainjr]

1:56 - Just start here and skip the annoying ad for those same earbuds everyone else is advertising now.

[@baiarmiezapphriamampen103]

raycon the new nordvpn

[@Padtedesco]

Watching firefly "hey, look, a new wisecrack video, let me see it." See Firefly reference. "Are you spying on me mister?"

[@Shrooblord]

Seren(dip)ity!

[@Leron...]

I've always said that there exists a spectrum with "convenience" on one end and "privacy/security" on the other. If you want more privacy/security then you need to give up convenience, and more convenience is paid for with a reduction in privacy/security.

[@Kisarez]

13:00 this has always been to easy of a stance. For starters, we don't "give away everything". We are being tracked and followed regardless if we even use Facebook. It is taking, rather than receiving on the end of data collecting. Second, even if we "give away" by filling in forms online, add bios, share experiences; we don't necessarily say these data could be monetized. And third, it's not like we could use many apps and services without being breached by the providers for far more than the substance of the platform implies. Say, your sleeping pattern, by your smartphone providers. Not everyone sets their alarm via their phone, plus why collect more than that? It's not voluntary, if there is no real alternative. Both in having to agree to wayyy more than the service would imply. As well as in being tracked, followed and breached by many parties anyway.

[@-astrangerontheinternet6687]

Facebook has profiles on non fb members. Even if a person has only a house phone and no other technology, if their number is saved on someone’s cell phone- every app in that phone has the persons number and a profile. A boring one, hopefully. Facebook has really interesting ones.

[@Kisarez]

@@-astrangerontheinternet6687 Exactly, shadow profiling

[@khalilsb6934]

there is an alternative, create your our phone, computer, your own website as your social media where people can talk to YOU and you post your pictures, with the database in your computer that you created.

[@the_redpyro4906]

@@khalilsb6934 I do hope you are being satirical.

[@khalilsb6934]

@@the_redpyro4906 I'm not, it's the only way create your own stuff to be safe.

[@geofff.3343]

I don't remember where I heard it, but someone said privacy is the place where we can reflect upon our actions and use introspection to grow as people. To remove privacy from someone's life is why you seemingly have shallow two-dimensional celebrity people who despite having wealth and families still act little better than high-schoolers.

[@alandworsky8926]

Privacy lawyer here; if you're an American and unless your data is held by an insurance company or healthcare company, it's probably being "monetized" or sold in some way without any regulatory oversight. California is a little different, but that law (CCPA) is still in its infancy. What you should worry about the most is your location information being used to build a profile about you or your ISP tracking your browsing activities and doing the same.

[@origamiandcats6873]

I didn't grow up with any of this stuff and even I am regretful that I can't see my family because I don't want an Alexa et al. In my house or anywhere near me. It's probably much harder if you've used social media and privacy robbing technology all your life. The bread and butter of these services is your data. You are the product and a cheap one at that. You really must evaluate whether a service is worth what you are giving up and 90% of the time the answer is probably "no".

[@872463051]

I think an important piece missing here is to whom people give up their privacy. There's an interesting difference between surrendering ones private information to their own government, a corporation, and a foreign government. For example, an American may not care if Google sells her search history to advertisers, or if Tiktok tells the Chinese government which dancing videos she likes, but may care deeply if her government knows which protest she plans on going to.

[@jamalthenoblenerd6963]

That thumbnail is very cool to me. Salute to whoever made it! 🔥

Which one? Cause I noticed they changed it

[@user-ii4vj9vf2v]

@ What's up with wisecrack and them almost always changing their video thumbnails for these types of videos

[@kimmyp3407]

@ yeah saw that. Really really wierd

@@kimmyp3407 @E changing thumbnail to see which ones get the better response seems to be a thing in youtube right now 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@jamalthenoblenerd6963]

@ aww Zuck n them stepped in. It was his face in a red and he eyes were the earth. Super Orwellian and it was very intriguing. Someone please link the thread with the original pic (ahem @Wisecrack) 🤔😑

[@dvklaveren]

I think that we might be headed towards a society with a class distinction based on privacy-outlawry. The basic premise being that, "if you demonstrate you aren't capable of being a well-rounded individual", the powers that be can brand you the modern version of an outlaw, who can be observed by anyone at any time, without it being an invasion of privacy. And then we'll see that escalate towards making lower class people branded as unworthy of privacy protection, with the things people were caught doing being used to justify the violations, while ignoring the fact that people in the rest of society probably committed those same violations but weren't caught. Basically; Take the war on drugs, but replace drugs with your browser history.

[@josevaldez1968]

Yo where tf is Jared btw

[@mikejohnstonbob935]

That luscious hair isn't gunna maintain itself

[@giverdend1416]

Wasn't he on a live stream two days ago, or did I hallucinate that?

[@wyattkillman321]

I wondered where tabloids got their start from and got informed tangentially, thanks a ton Micheal. Stay Awesome Wisecrack!

[@ioanavasile9970]

I recommend "A Very Short Introduction to Privacy". It is a pretty accessible text and claims that privacy laws started as recently as the Victorian Era (which for me was quite a shock).

[@pinv0]

This stuff is Big Time important

[@cryptoenthusiast724]

You are confined only by the walls you build yourself.👊 -TheLuxurious

[@paulhill4382]

What a lost opportunity to feature VPN Shark as a sponsor :D PD @wisecrack: It would be nice (and thorough) of you to include your sources in the description. Loving your content tho!

[@rahcollier7006]

I think our privacy is fucked. I take solace in the hope that data collectors are gaining such a swarm of information that it's difficult to absorb, make use of, or even distinguish one person from another.

[@heek8964]

I might have missed a point somewhere but there's a part I don't understand. Your primary argument for why privacy is important is that people need a space where they can act without judgement so that they can try new or different things unafraid of being ridiculed for doing so, if I'm understand it correctly. What I don't understand is how data collection inhibits that process. The companies that collect your data aren't ridiculing you for not knowing where on a map norway is nor are they selling or giving it to others who intend to do so. I'm not saying that privacy isn't important or defending the ethics of this kind of data collection, I just don't see the connection between these two points.

[@TomyBinho]

It’s pronounced e-cos not oy-cos. There is also an ancient quote about it, “τα εν οικω μη εν δημω” which means what happens in your house(oikos) should not get in public(dimos)

[@user-pp6wy9tb9j]

9:00 "We live in a society... ... and we society in a life." - Aristotle

[@cynthmcgpoet]

One interesting concept that most people have forgotten about was the "party line," a type of home phone service for lower income and usually rural communities. While it eventually fell out of favor during the 70s, it was a feature that AT&T offered since early in its corporate life. I remember as a child noticing this as I perused through the phone book out of sheer boredom. There was literally no privacy with party line service. It's something worth looking up on Wikipedia, but this is not to be confused with contemporary chat services for singles. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_line_(telephony)

[@Noztube]

Whenever there's talk about privacy someone will inevitably say something like "if you have nothing to hide then what's the problem". And to that I say privacy isn't about whether or not I have something to hide, it's about "none of your business!"

[@oddballl9128]

I just noticed the gradual rocking back and forth of the graphics for the first time and now I can't unsee it.

[@1mag1nat1vename]

I know that being pseudonymous is a great way for people to express themselves and maintain their privacy in online games, and there are some on KZbin and Twitch who go all the way and have an avatar (everyone is hiding behind an avatar in VR Chat). What do you guys think of doing that for all social media?

[@williamehrhardt918]

*Ron Swanson has entered the chat*

[@jarodlechadores4336]

That thumbnail is nightmare fuel. But to be fair, any picture of the Zucc is terrifying.

[@quedielzy8579]

Zucc do be looking thicc tho

[@BlackavarWD]

...the sunscreen face ...haunts me

[@WildcardCameron]

@wisecrack as a literal privacy engineer, excellent job breaking down the perspectives on Privacy. Funny enough legal scholars believe that despite not having an amendment giving an explicit right to privacy, the 3rd, 4th, 5th & 9th amendment make a compelling foundation for an American right to privacy!

[@PyroMancer2k]

Those against privacy often use the flawed argument of "If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't you shouldn't need privacy." And then point to all sorts of criminal acts that could be "hidden with privacy". Those who push for social change have historically be oppressed as their ideas are not part of the current popular main stream. These groups often had to meet in secret to organize rallies, sit ins, and other various forms of protest. If their actions were public knowledge they would find it difficult to organize and lose support as often times people are afraid to stand up on their own but if they know others feel the same it can give them the courage to push for change. Authoritarian governments do away to privacy by using the very arguments of it being for the public good as it helps prevent crime as a smoke screen. Their real goal is to ensure no one speaks out about the current government and any who do are quickly silenced as a warning to others. Thus hoping to prevent any rebellious movements from gaining any traction.

[@travismester]

Very well done. This is a complex subject.

[@Eltener123]

Eurocentrism is bad enough, Anglocentrism is even worse Americentrism? Ugh...

[@BlueJayWaters]

One of the best things about society today is how tolerant and accepting we are becoming. We have made progress to the point that some, if not most things we would consider personal now, are generally accepted. From that standpoint, why have any privacy at all if we are advanced enough as a society to be okay with its population? Well, look at high school. At some point, whether you were the bully or bullied, you heard a rumor or saw something that spread around school and suddenly someone's life was ruined. As a teenager, this has major psychological implications on one's mental development. So then, how do we prevent these situations? We can't. Because false information can be had simply by making it up. Then let's look at our forfeiture of info for ease of access. Why do we need to do this? I don't like Big Tech knowing the things I look up at 2AM, but we aren't going to pass any proper legislation anytime soon to secure our online privacy. So, for now, we have to be okay with the lack of privacy today. But, we can change things subtly by developing a better intrapersonal life style. Find out who you are, and be okay with it. Then offline, spread this version of you. Online friends will only see one part of you, and your in person friends will already have that information and more, because they interact with you in person. So to wrap it up if you've read this far, focus on who you want to be, and spread that offline. Care not for your online privacy, because it won't be changing anytime soon.

[@Maulstrum97]

privacy is dead in the age of information. We trade privacy for convenience.

[@ThreeProphets]

Sociality is just as vital to development as privacy. Offering them up as a choice is impossible

[@giordanobruno9106]

Balancing personal privacy with societal protections from damages done by individuals requires an anonymized oversight technology which flags deleterious activities to be sent to authorities while deleting harmless, sensitive personal information.

[@emiliepryor51]

This video was cool af. Buuuut as a side note- Will you please do a “Deep or Dumb” on “Hamilton”?

[@pabloandreu692]

One of the most interesting videos you've done so far, and all you've done is really interesting. Brian K. Vaughan writes in the graphic novel "Private Eye" that the end of the world would come the day browsers history come public. I completely agree to that idea.

[@elliothellyer933]

I think most people really don't know how much privacy they give away, or where it goes when they do. The Social Dilemma on Netflix actually covers a lot of this really well. 10/10 would recommend.

[@scottk1525]

I vastly prefer Jared's genuine dead-pan to Michael's feigned over-excitement.

[@rockyurt6507]

What I think is really scary is that rather than the lack of privacy leading to weaker willed people, I think it will be a result of an abundance of consumable goods, targeted toward those that consume them. It will be like reducing us consumers into perfect consumers, and with it demand for consumer goods will spike. With this, hedonism will also grow more prominent but geared towards the now huge group of consumers.

[@TheCreepypro]

great video on how it all works or doesn't depending on your view

[@Peanutjoepap24]

“How Privacy Died” is more like it

[@nunyabiz6918]

Shout out to your editing crew who are objectively hilarious.

[@Gnidel]

I have 3 areas I want to protect my privacy from: - Employees - I don't want to lose opportunity to earn money or get fired because of my political views or hobbies. - Family - there's no way to restart relationships with them. I have hobbies that some members of my family might find childish and their political views oppose mine. There's no need to break family over that if privacy allows me to get both. - Government - again, political views. As long as my data doesn't reach directly or indirectly those 3, I don't care who gets it because for them I'm a number at worst and nobody in the crowd at best.

[@BDAWGDGA]

my issue is pointed out in the video, i want to remain as part of the society in which i live and a major part of that is social media but with that said we can choose the level in which participate. good episode and thanks you guys are part of our inspiration on our channel.

[@rodrigogcoritiba]

The thing about privacy is that it's not a matter of Secret but a matter of Control. Protecting your privacy doesnt mean you dont share any information at all with anyone, but it means you control what information you give and to whom. If you have no control over who sees and knows what about yourself then you have lost control over who you are. Another important thing the video doesnt make clear is that handing over all of your information is not a necessary cost of the new technologies, but a conscient and ideological choice made by the tech creators. There are many tech companies and products that work well and are reasonably profitable without disrespecting the users rights and privacy.

[@judekristo]

The irony of a Facebook ad popping up in the middle of a video about privacy...

[@ristopaasivirta9770]

The people shall be judged not by the color of their skin but by the contents of their browser history.

[@walkinmn]

That's a very bad and misleading bar to measure people too (yes, I know it's a joke) for instance I'm a scientist and a very curious and open minded person that tries to understand people's ideas and in my browser history you will find things from how napalm is made, research on deadly viruses, all kinds of fetishes and why people like them(legal and illegal), psychological diseases and its research , prices of drugs, hacking tools and strategies, etc. But mostly you would find recipes, youtube videos, tech news building materials, conversion units, etc. And I'm a fairly normal guy, I just like to know about stuff. And yes, some people have been creeped out when they ask about an obscure subject and I happen to know about it (like sex or drugs stuff) what those people don't understand is that just because you know about a subject, doesn't mean you practice it or it's a main part of your life and not because you have a degree in something mean you would use that information to harm others. It's kind of those guys who can't have a gay friend because they think said friend definitely will try to have sex with them.

[@NickGhale]

@@walkinmn alright scientist bro r/iamverysmart

[@walkinmn]

@@NickGhale sorry if it reads as pretentious, it wasn't my intention

[@skepticallypwnd]

The media clips are strong in this one. It feels like an early ots youtube video... or a hulu documentary

[@riccard_o]

I'm envious of your stache

[@juanmoraromero1579]

That Mr Clean wap video cracked me up so hard that I had to stop this video and find it lol

[@SrElvisCocho]

I love your videos so much Man Its like going into a philosophy class. Are u a teacher?

[@DGenerationX1311]

*watches whilst waiting for the free Google nest to arrive*

[@miguelinop]

The fundamental issue derives on the fact that this privacy asking machines are purposely designed to do so. It is not a design flaw or a needed evil for those systems to function, but rather part of a deliberate design to get your privacy.

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

When our technological evolution outpaces our cultural evolution as humans, we BECOME THE BORG. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

[@Shrooblord]

I'd like to read this comment as a coherent thought that got caught short because while you were typing you BECOME THE BORG. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

@@Shrooblord I was writing mid-assimilation. I'm better now. Like and hit the subscribe button. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

[@Hotshot2k4]

I really think it's a bit of a leap to say a lack of privacy makes people worse at picking leaders in a democracy. At the very least, the idea wasn't argued at all in this video, and just taken for granted as being the result of a lack of privacy.

[@jamestim2428]

The ability of social networks and search engines to not only to gain consent to access our privacy but to log, categorise, analyse and advertise, exceeds their mandate. It makes it increasingly easy to be led astray by manipulative rabbit holes, echo chambers and carefully targeted (and often subliminal) political marketing. There is no silver bullet with privacy. Complex problems demand complex solutions. However, it is certain that access to privacy can be malicious and coercive.

[@stevestrangelove4970]

the argument that privacy allows immoral behavior in close doors is equally applied to public activities allowing immoral behavior in open doors. If parents are immoral they will harm their childrens in close doors, but if society is immoral everyone will harm the childrens in the open, allowing the foundation of a stagnated and authoritarian society, as society will regulate its moral not because of reason but because of tradition and intuitions. Not only that but a children is open to rebel against the parents but none can rebel against the public.

[@MrMarinus18]

Privacy is also very much based on how much is actually under threat. Like a farmer in the middle ages wouldn't have much if any privacy protection against his local lord. But that local lord also just doesn't have the means to police it nor really the incentive to do so. Now everything can be tracked and the potential gains are tremendous.

[@Sophistry0001]

Why doesn't someone start some social media that charges a subscription and then *doesn't* farm people's data?

[@DarkSteel361]

It’s eroding. If it’s ever the case that privacy is the cost of societal participation, we’ve reached a threshold where regulation is necessary to preserve privacy

[@anthonywestbrook2155]

If you want to understand the meta-levels of detached irony used by youth today, you need to understand that it's a needed form of plausible deniability. When they need to be able to express ideas they're still trying on without being held to answer for them for the rest of their lives, this is the only chance they have. Of course, as more and more people get sick of bad-faith actors using the "it was just a joke" defense, kids today might not even have that protection, which likely will stifle them tremendously in their intellectual development. I don't know what protection could help them, short of expanding the right to privacy to the unprecedented level where someone could be punished for "leaking"/sharing/screenshot-ing what someone said on social media, unless it's explicitly marked as "public." Extend the right to privacy to social media that exists in many states in the U.S. for in person and phone interactions, where it's illegal to record someone without their knowledge.

[@golbez1583]

"Privacy. That's iPhone. Disclaimer: Privacy is not available in China." Idk why this made me chuckle.

[@MyStoryQuest]

That cut to Hamilton was brilliant😁✌️

[@janeefremova9069]

Nowadays, one should decide for oneself if to exchange one's privacy for the services or not to. Nothing is for free.

[@kingrich2126]

Has anyone else seen - I'm thinking of ending things?- would love a deep analysis on that

[@kimpalonen1978]

To a great extent, privacy alongside freedom comes with responsibility. As adults we may have both, but in the case of privacy we need to hold ourselves accountable for what goes on in our private spheres. To some this may be surprising, but if our siblings and friends and loved ones are being criminally abusive asshats in our surroundings, it's our individual responsibility to confront these behavioral patterns, ensure the security and health of their victims and to involve authorities when necessary. A respectful government may have no say in our private spheres, but if said government makes an effort of offering help they're not a bad government if we the people refuse to have them involved.

[@PatrickStaight]

I guess I worry that tech companies will make their products unnecessarily unusable for people who want to maintain privacy the same way life insurance companies won't do business with you unless you give them a HIPAA release.

[@ObservableObserver]

It's interesting how you can draw a direct line from the slave-holding patriarchy of ancient greece, over the slave-holding patriarchy of the colonial beginnings of America, straight to the modern notion of privacy.

[@quedielzy8579]

At least Greece got freaky

[@KittySnicker]

That doesn’t mean privacy is a per se bad thing

[@ObservableObserver]

@@KittySnicker No, I'm not saying or thinking that. If anything, it's a testimony on how ambiguous our history and therefore our world is. Things are complicated, I guess.

[@akmalsy159]

I treat privacy the same way as everything else, by following the Golden Rule, treat others the way you want others to treat yourself. If the government wants to abolish privacy in the name of security, it must be prepared to apply the same rule to itself, this way any corruption or mismanagement within the government has no way to hide & thus the people can punish the government if necessary. Proponents of privacy must be willing to take this both ways also, if they want to keep secrets from the gornment, they can't be mad if the government in turn keep secrets from them. Whether those secrets are bad or for the good.

[@crispypickles8466]

I'm not sure that giving up data would limit my ability to become a fully functioning adult. I don't feel that what they use it for, in any way, keeps me from experimenting with who I am. There is no threat of public scrutiny or humilation. I'm not sure if losing this kind of privacy results in not actualizing personal subjectivity. If they post my search history on Twitter, then yes, that could have an effect it but corporations analyzing it in "private" doesn't really, imo.

[@Charzilian]

looking back isn't the answer. we need to ask the right question, which is "is the internet a public, or a private place" this question still hasn't been answered.